NewAgeMayan
Well-known member
For me, RAD at less than 16mg/d has my bp at a tolerable level; higher than baseline though. Nothing OTC Ive tried brings it down either.
SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide
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For me, RAD at less than 16mg/d has my bp at a tolerable level; higher than baseline though. Nothing OTC Ive tried brings it down either.
Hercules1982
Member
Sorry about the confusion. I meant MK-677 (Ibutamoren). Working very well.
masterpiter
New member
update.
measured blood preasure, was above 120/68.
so its not low blood preasure
measured blood preasure, was above 120/68.
so its not low blood preasure
NewAgeMayan
Well-known member
LGD. But, if you ran epiandro with it youd get its strength benefits and feel-good (when I ran LGD I had bad days with lethargy).
Urqa
New member
Thanks I've already got a bottle of Epi-Andro might stack LGD with it what dosages would you run will be a first cycle
Bunshichi
Active member
Somewhere two guys on here stated they wanted to run it this summer. This month or next was it if I remember correctly.
EMPIREMIND
Well-known member
Thank you for the info. Will wait for them
I already ran it, but it would be nice to hear some other opinions
Id be curious to hear your opinions given your knowledge. From the things ive read it is misclassified as a sarm, basically in essence an oral steroid. I read that article from mike arnold. Seems to be promising just people dont know alot about it yet.
yates84
Well-known member
My wife is using yk and rad right now, will make sure to post how her run was when she's finished.
Bunshichi
Active member
Well Pheraplex is a steroid. Yet it acts as a SARM. Trenbolon is a steroid. Yet it acts as a SARM.
In the End, wether something is a steroid depends on the cholesterol backbone.
Wether it is a SARM can be decided as one wants because there is just no scientific etablished definition.
I suggest using the definition of a substance that acts differently on the androgenic receptors in different tissues.
(In that definition most Steroids are SARMs)
sanmarino
Member
It's a steroidal SARM, yes. Or better said: an AAS with more selective characteristics (like Trenbolone, for example) than other AAS. EDIT: Bushinchi was faster.
You guys may choose: read a short write-up with the used substances this evening (european time zone) or having a detailed report with blood panel at 2nd July. I'm simply very restricted with the time actually (working 20h per day actually). You prefer the original sheets or compressed in one excel-file (if you choose the second date)?
I'm running LGD-4033 for this week and starting PCT on Monday. Used substances: RAD-140, LGD-4033, YK-11, Oxandrolone, MK-677, GW-501516. But NOT all on the same time.
Sounds crazy on the first look, but I will explain the whole thing.
Thank you for understanding and enjoy your day.
san
You guys may choose: read a short write-up with the used substances this evening (european time zone) or having a detailed report with blood panel at 2nd July. I'm simply very restricted with the time actually (working 20h per day actually). You prefer the original sheets or compressed in one excel-file (if you choose the second date)?
I'm running LGD-4033 for this week and starting PCT on Monday. Used substances: RAD-140, LGD-4033, YK-11, Oxandrolone, MK-677, GW-501516. But NOT all on the same time.
Sounds crazy on the first look, but I will explain the whole thing.
Thank you for understanding and enjoy your day.
san
BamBam0319
Well-known member
smith_69 and I said we were going to I think; I have plans for other things now though and not sure if messing with an experimental drug would fit into that anywhere
The_Old_Guy
Well-known member
smith_69 and I said we were going to I think; I have plans for other things now though and not sure if messing with an experimental drug would fit into that anywhere
Well into Phase III Trials is as risky as I will go - F that. I think the older you get, the more you realize how mortal you really are
BamBam0319
Well-known member
Well into Phase III Trials is as risky as I will go - F that. I think the older you get, the more you realize how mortal you really are
I'm still very young, compared to most people on this forum. However I'd still rather make use of compounds that have been used for years, decades even, for the time being rather than experimenting with new things that no one knows much about.
smith_69
Well-known member
Well into Phase III Trials is as risky as I will go - F that. I think the older you get, the more you realize how mortal you really are
have to agree
TonyGunsling
Member
Looking for recommendations...
I just received my 2 MK677 and 1 of each; ostarine and LGD in the mail.
Should i run MK at 25mg for 8 weeks with 1 month osta then 1 month LGD?
Or MK with 8 weeks half dosed osta and LGD?
I just received my 2 MK677 and 1 of each; ostarine and LGD in the mail.
Should i run MK at 25mg for 8 weeks with 1 month osta then 1 month LGD?
Or MK with 8 weeks half dosed osta and LGD?
Hercules1982
Member
If you decide to split them, then much better to save Osta for PCT / Bridge
GreenMachineX
Well-known member
I strongly suggest getting more osta and lgd, because running either for less than 8 weeks is a waste, in my opinion.
TonyGunsling
Member
I understand that. But do you think its a waste if running half dose of each?
Might they work well together? Or only strictly dose dependent for each?
CJNator
Well-known member
What are the actual dosages for them?
GreenMachineX
Well-known member
You could probably run the osta at 10mg and lgd at ~8mg for the whole run. I like running them together; osta at 15mg and lgd at 12mg but I've ran several cycles of each now.
Hercules1982
Member
I agree, especially for a cut, I have ran both before, and doing it now.
As for a bulk, Osta offers little in my experience. Better go higher on the LGD and save the Osta for bridge/PCT.
UncleSarm
Well-known member
sanmarino looking forward to this info. You are my SARM guru!
As soon as I can get bloods run, I am planing to run one of your cycles: LGD @ 7mg/ed @ 8 weeks.
It was a toss up between this and the Ostarine @ 20mg/ed @ 8 weeks. I would also be curious about your MK-677 experience as I have just picked some up.
Not sure about RAD-140 or YK-11 ... I think I'm with The_Old_Guy and smith_69 on these, at least for now.
Rocket3015
Legend
TonyGunsling
Member
I might give that a shot... I have run a couple cycle of aas before. So maybe 10 and 8 wont do too much for me. But maybe it will help me maintain/ grow a bit more.
Main goals right now are maintain and get lean for the summer.
GreenMachineX
Well-known member
It might be sufficient; may as well give it a go for 4 weeks and see where that takes you.
yates84
Well-known member
This^^^
Also, start the rad and the 1 dhea at the same time since dhea derivatives take around 3 weeks to kick. This way when you drop the rad the 1 dhea will be in full swing. Sparta has epiandro in the large count bottles with Tetrasorb technology that would be perfect for a base for this cycle.
Rocket3015
Legend
and Mr. Yates knows what he is talking about !!!
GreenMachineX
Well-known member
Rad, 1dhea, and epiandro sounds awesome together. The only thing better would be to sub some epiandro with androsterone for some GABA agonism with all those DHT benefits.
GreenMachineX
Well-known member
Speaking of running SARMs with andros, when I was running 1-DHEA with epiandro and androsterone, my joints killed. do you think ostarine with a dry stack like that would be of any use in joint protection and healing? I've got a ton of osta and trying to plan my next Andro cycle right. I won't do what I did last time, that's for sure.
YouBet33
Well-known member
Always do, might pick up some rad instead of the Msten
yates84
Well-known member
I think a good joint support and plenty of fish oil would be more beneficial. Osta encourages healing but really doesn't provide any "cushion" on cycle.
GreenMachineX
Well-known member
Gotcha. 4.8 grams of epa/dha with 1.5x the recommended dosage of Genoflex didn't cut it during that cycle. Any suggestions?
yates84
Well-known member
Switch the epiandro for something wet like 4 andro, should have you gtg
GreenMachineX
Well-known member
Yeah, I was just trying to figure out a way to stay as dry as possible painlessly but I guess that's the price to pay when running things like that.
EMPIREMIND
Well-known member
Cant wait for the write up my man!
sanmarino
Member
The time has finally come. Thank you for being patient. In the following, I will share with you my ambitious SARM cycle. I will try to keep it as short as possible.
First of all, we will start with a short overview, followed by the reviews to the specific used compounds and finally the conclusion.
The following review represents only my personal view and cannot necessarily transferred to other persons. This report should not promote the abuse of anabolic substances.
Which substances have been used?
Generally: everything. SARM, PPAR, GHS, AAS. BUT not everything in the same time. See the following picture (I hope, the German expressions are not a problem ):
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As you can see, the planned cycle differs from the actual cycle. "Ist" means: actual cycle, "Soll" means: planned cycle. There was once a serious mistake: instead of LGD-4033, I used S-4 for three week until I realized what was happening. A very stupid mistake, which should never happen.
I used S-4 at 25mg/ed, which was senseless (low dosage and regarding to the half life). There were no benefits, only side effects (vision).
Actual status
At the moment in PCT with Tamoxifen (20mg/ed), Ostarine (10mg/ed) and MK-677 (15-25mg/ed).
Review
Below you will find my finding on the substances used.
RAD-140
Part one of the cycle, only substance used (beside MK-677), however, I know the effect of MK-677 well. RAD-140 was a big surprise - in a positive way. I expected to start slowly into the cycle, which was not the case. The effectiveness of RAD-140 has occurred very quickly, about 10 days. As according to the profile description, RAD-140 has a very nice relationship between the anabolic/androgenic-ratio.
There was no extreme increase in strength in this short period, but the body composition improved noticeably. I nearly want to say: better than under LGD-4033, but I used RAD-140 only during a short period. More researches are required.
Four weeks were chosen because of the highly unknown profile. Better be safe than sorry. Nevertheless, in my personal opinion, I could have run it longer.
10mg/ed were used, which is a very effective dosage. I wouldn't go higher, there is no need to.
General: increased demand for water, some small pimples which disappeared within few days. Positive change of the body, much stronger effect than Ostarine. After two weeks of intake, there was a pressure in the liver region like the liver was increasing (yes, that’s possible). On the same way as the liver has to fight against a higher degree of toxicity. Unfortunately, no blood panel after RAD-140 was made (only pre- and mid-cycle until now). Temporary TUDCA was used, but not for the further cycle. This "problem" occurred in week 3-4, therefore in the last two weeks of RAD-140 intake.
I personally would rate RAD-140 as "smooth" an will use it definitely again. Use a high amount of protein, vitamins and minerals (because of the high demand for water).
Regeneration is quite good, despite the low androgen ratio. Sleep is normal. Another side effects were not observed (e.g typical AAS side effects).
S-4
The good old S-4. Wasn't planned to take it. Therefore bad dosage and bad intake scheme.
Nothing to add more, the effects and side effects of S-4 are widely known here.
LGD-4033
A "well known" substance too. Acts always well. But I like RAD-140 somehow more. Will put LGD-4033 back in the queue.
After I noticed my stupid mistake with S-4, of course I immediately stopped it and used LGD-4033 instead. 5mg/ed as a daily basis to evaluate the other substances. Therefore, lower than my normally used protocol.
Effect of LGD-4033 was of course lower than I run normally.
But not much to report here.
YK-11
Probably a lot of you are interested in this one, huh?
THE YK-11. What's behind it.
Very difficult to assess. YK-11 was like a woman: you have no clue how it works and suddenly, it kicks in. Next time you won't even notice something. Other time it wanted to play again and you could "feel" it well.
I used 5mg/ed and sometimes I boosted with extra 3mg pre-gym. The strength increases strong; it really kicks in! This Japanese tuning works quite well, IF I used 8mg/ed per day. On 5mg/ed it's nearly not noticeable. As I said, it's quite strange.
Nevertheless, my calves and the deltas experiences a nice growth. Always had problems with calves
Now it went from a little girls calves to a teenage girl calves haha, at least.
Maybe through the massive increase in follistatine? Maybe, I don't know. It could be.
YK-11 is still a mystery which I cannot clearly asses. Also regarding side effects: there were nearly none. Watch out for high blood pressure (especially when using MK-677).
Oxandrolon
Anavar. Have I to explain the effect? Yes, it was quite good stuff, 30mg/ed used (wrong in the picture above. Not 25mg/ed). As soon I increased Creatine to 10 grams per day, the strength increased heavily. Was not necessary to up the dosage, 30mg/ed had a nice effect. But honestly, 50mg/ed should be much better.
Nothing to add more, probably the only one compound in my stack, which is well known
MK-677
Not a lot of information needed. There is a thread at its own. Regeneration wonderful as every time.
GW-501516
The GW.. Didn't use it as planned only sporadically. Is there a reason? Honestly, no, there was no specific reason. I should have taken it more, then my cholesterol wouldn't have been that high. For a more precise review I have to test the identical cycle with much more GW-501516.
Conclusion
Started with 90kg (198.4 lbs) at 1.78m (5.8 feet) with 17% body fat. In mid-cycle, I reached 96 kg (211.6 lbs) with a lower body fat (approx. 1-2%). Sometimes so much body weight was annoying, because of the warm outside temperature.
17% BF.. could be better. But I'm not 20 years old anymore haha
Bench press pre: 3 sets à 10 rep. at 100kg (220.46 lbs)
Squats pre: 3 sets à 10 rep. at 170kg (374.7 lbs)
Deadlift pre: 4 sets à 8 rep. at 180 kg (396.8 lbs)
Bench press mid: 3 sets à 10 rep. at 110-115kg (242.5 - 253.5 lbs) (higher weight, especially when boosted with YK-11).
Squats mid: 3 sets à 10 rep. at 185.5kg (408.9 lbs)
Deadlift: 4 sets à 8 rep. at je 210kg (462.9 lbs)
Bench press post: 3 sets à 10 rep. at 85kg (187.3 lbs)
Squats post: 3 sets à 10 rep. at 120kg (264.5 lbs)
Deadlift post: 4 sets à 8 rep. at 130kg (286.6 lbs)
Above, you can see the strength development over the period. Quite interesting is the drop from "mid" to "post". The main reason can be found at the milestone, which I reached in my job. A phase of four weeks (last three weeks and the last week, as you can probably remember) which didn't allow me to keep my training pensum.
It's sad to see, how the build-up strength just drop to the floor. But there is no doubt - during this doped period, the cycle was very nice and allowed me to go beyond my limits. Limits, which I couldn't hold at all.
Sad truth: reflecting the benefit of the cycle: there was no real benefit. I'm actually holding "useless muscles" (still look like someone who lifts, but the strength went to the basement. Keep in mind, that I had to eat like a "normal" person, 2-3 times per day and working at least 19h per day, absolutely no movement. MK-677 was my saviour, regarding to the lack of sleep.
Started lifting this Monday again, muscles are sore as hell like in the early beginning.
One thing more, which is interesting: during this stress period of four weeks I "only" lost 2kg (actually 94kg (207.2 lbs) on 1.78cm (5.8 feet) but at 17% BF again). The anti-catabolic effect was therefore quite strong (not that surprising).
The potential of the cycle wasn't fully used.
Blood panels were done pre and mid-cycle. I won't give a fully detailed analysis - already needed ages to write this stuff on English
Shouldn’t be that difficult to see, that cholesterol increased (negative) and the liver values improved (positive). Again: no cycle assist was used to keep the results as clean as possible.
Hormone values are interesting as well: Testosterone under reference (as expected) and no shutdown of the HPTA (also expected). That the liver values improved that well, well, that was not expected.
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Future
The temporary increase in strength, regeneration and nice change of the body composition were nice. I will set the focus more on RAD-140, which surprised me on a positive way. But first of all, I will take a break until March/April 2017. Don't forget: these are still research chemicals. Give your body enough time to regenerate. Until then, I should have the pre-cycle strength values again
Just write everything what pop up in your head (comment, criticism, questions). I will answer them asap. If you need a English version of the blood panel, just write. But shouldn' be a big deal, you are all smart
Best regards and enjoy the weekend.
sanmarino
First of all, we will start with a short overview, followed by the reviews to the specific used compounds and finally the conclusion.
The following review represents only my personal view and cannot necessarily transferred to other persons. This report should not promote the abuse of anabolic substances.
Which substances have been used?
Generally: everything. SARM, PPAR, GHS, AAS. BUT not everything in the same time. See the following picture (I hope, the German expressions are not a problem
): Invalid Link Removed
As you can see, the planned cycle differs from the actual cycle. "Ist" means: actual cycle, "Soll" means: planned cycle. There was once a serious mistake: instead of LGD-4033, I used S-4 for three week until I realized what was happening. A very stupid mistake, which should never happen.
I used S-4 at 25mg/ed, which was senseless (low dosage and regarding to the half life). There were no benefits, only side effects (vision).
Actual status
At the moment in PCT with Tamoxifen (20mg/ed), Ostarine (10mg/ed) and MK-677 (15-25mg/ed).
Review
Below you will find my finding on the substances used.
RAD-140
Part one of the cycle, only substance used (beside MK-677), however, I know the effect of MK-677 well. RAD-140 was a big surprise - in a positive way. I expected to start slowly into the cycle, which was not the case. The effectiveness of RAD-140 has occurred very quickly, about 10 days. As according to the profile description, RAD-140 has a very nice relationship between the anabolic/androgenic-ratio.
There was no extreme increase in strength in this short period, but the body composition improved noticeably. I nearly want to say: better than under LGD-4033, but I used RAD-140 only during a short period. More researches are required.
Four weeks were chosen because of the highly unknown profile. Better be safe than sorry. Nevertheless, in my personal opinion, I could have run it longer.
10mg/ed were used, which is a very effective dosage. I wouldn't go higher, there is no need to.
General: increased demand for water, some small pimples which disappeared within few days. Positive change of the body, much stronger effect than Ostarine. After two weeks of intake, there was a pressure in the liver region like the liver was increasing (yes, that’s possible). On the same way as the liver has to fight against a higher degree of toxicity. Unfortunately, no blood panel after RAD-140 was made (only pre- and mid-cycle until now). Temporary TUDCA was used, but not for the further cycle. This "problem" occurred in week 3-4, therefore in the last two weeks of RAD-140 intake.
I personally would rate RAD-140 as "smooth" an will use it definitely again. Use a high amount of protein, vitamins and minerals (because of the high demand for water).
Regeneration is quite good, despite the low androgen ratio. Sleep is normal. Another side effects were not observed (e.g typical AAS side effects).
S-4
The good old S-4. Wasn't planned to take it. Therefore bad dosage and bad intake scheme.
Nothing to add more, the effects and side effects of S-4 are widely known here.
LGD-4033
A "well known" substance too. Acts always well. But I like RAD-140 somehow more. Will put LGD-4033 back in the queue.
After I noticed my stupid mistake with S-4, of course I immediately stopped it and used LGD-4033 instead. 5mg/ed as a daily basis to evaluate the other substances. Therefore, lower than my normally used protocol.
Effect of LGD-4033 was of course lower than I run normally.
But not much to report here.
YK-11
Probably a lot of you are interested in this one, huh?
THE YK-11. What's behind it.
Very difficult to assess. YK-11 was like a woman: you have no clue how it works and suddenly, it kicks in. Next time you won't even notice something. Other time it wanted to play again and you could "feel" it well.
I used 5mg/ed and sometimes I boosted with extra 3mg pre-gym. The strength increases strong; it really kicks in! This Japanese tuning works quite well, IF I used 8mg/ed per day. On 5mg/ed it's nearly not noticeable. As I said, it's quite strange.
Nevertheless, my calves and the deltas experiences a nice growth. Always had problems with calves
Now it went from a little girls calves to a teenage girl calves haha, at least.Maybe through the massive increase in follistatine? Maybe, I don't know. It could be.
YK-11 is still a mystery which I cannot clearly asses. Also regarding side effects: there were nearly none. Watch out for high blood pressure (especially when using MK-677).
Oxandrolon
Anavar. Have I to explain the effect? Yes, it was quite good stuff, 30mg/ed used (wrong in the picture above. Not 25mg/ed). As soon I increased Creatine to 10 grams per day, the strength increased heavily. Was not necessary to up the dosage, 30mg/ed had a nice effect. But honestly, 50mg/ed should be much better.
Nothing to add more, probably the only one compound in my stack, which is well known
MK-677
Not a lot of information needed. There is a thread at its own. Regeneration wonderful as every time.
GW-501516
The GW.. Didn't use it as planned only sporadically. Is there a reason? Honestly, no, there was no specific reason. I should have taken it more, then my cholesterol wouldn't have been that high. For a more precise review I have to test the identical cycle with much more GW-501516.
Conclusion
Started with 90kg (198.4 lbs) at 1.78m (5.8 feet) with 17% body fat. In mid-cycle, I reached 96 kg (211.6 lbs) with a lower body fat (approx. 1-2%). Sometimes so much body weight was annoying, because of the warm outside temperature.
17% BF.. could be better. But I'm not 20 years old anymore haha
Bench press pre: 3 sets à 10 rep. at 100kg (220.46 lbs)
Squats pre: 3 sets à 10 rep. at 170kg (374.7 lbs)
Deadlift pre: 4 sets à 8 rep. at 180 kg (396.8 lbs)
Bench press mid: 3 sets à 10 rep. at 110-115kg (242.5 - 253.5 lbs) (higher weight, especially when boosted with YK-11).
Squats mid: 3 sets à 10 rep. at 185.5kg (408.9 lbs)
Deadlift: 4 sets à 8 rep. at je 210kg (462.9 lbs)
Bench press post: 3 sets à 10 rep. at 85kg (187.3 lbs)
Squats post: 3 sets à 10 rep. at 120kg (264.5 lbs)
Deadlift post: 4 sets à 8 rep. at 130kg (286.6 lbs)
Above, you can see the strength development over the period. Quite interesting is the drop from "mid" to "post". The main reason can be found at the milestone, which I reached in my job. A phase of four weeks (last three weeks and the last week, as you can probably remember) which didn't allow me to keep my training pensum.
It's sad to see, how the build-up strength just drop to the floor. But there is no doubt - during this doped period, the cycle was very nice and allowed me to go beyond my limits. Limits, which I couldn't hold at all.
Sad truth: reflecting the benefit of the cycle: there was no real benefit. I'm actually holding "useless muscles" (still look like someone who lifts, but the strength went to the basement. Keep in mind, that I had to eat like a "normal" person, 2-3 times per day and working at least 19h per day, absolutely no movement. MK-677 was my saviour, regarding to the lack of sleep.
Started lifting this Monday again, muscles are sore as hell like in the early beginning.
One thing more, which is interesting: during this stress period of four weeks I "only" lost 2kg (actually 94kg (207.2 lbs) on 1.78cm (5.8 feet) but at 17% BF again). The anti-catabolic effect was therefore quite strong (not that surprising).
The potential of the cycle wasn't fully used.
Blood panels were done pre and mid-cycle. I won't give a fully detailed analysis - already needed ages to write this stuff on English
Shouldn’t be that difficult to see, that cholesterol increased (negative) and the liver values improved (positive). Again: no cycle assist was used to keep the results as clean as possible.
Hormone values are interesting as well: Testosterone under reference (as expected) and no shutdown of the HPTA (also expected). That the liver values improved that well, well, that was not expected.
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Future
The temporary increase in strength, regeneration and nice change of the body composition were nice. I will set the focus more on RAD-140, which surprised me on a positive way. But first of all, I will take a break until March/April 2017. Don't forget: these are still research chemicals. Give your body enough time to regenerate. Until then, I should have the pre-cycle strength values again
Just write everything what pop up in your head (comment, criticism, questions). I will answer them asap. If you need a English version of the blood panel, just write. But shouldn' be a big deal, you are all smart
Best regards and enjoy the weekend.
sanmarino
Joedoubledose
Well-known member
SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide
San what's the reasoning for the gw dosage spread out In The second table ?
San what's the reasoning for the gw dosage spread out In The second table ?
sanmarino
Member
No specific reason. I should have let it completely out of the cycle or take it more regularly. It's stupid.
Bunshichi: hard to say. As cycle, RAD-140 was definitely my favourite. But when the YK-11 hit during the workout... That was insane.
But if I have to choose: I would go for the RAD-140.