SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

pyrobatt said:
Also note some people have

1.more bodyfat than they think which leads to a "full " look
2. Have the kind of fat storage that makes me jealous. You all have that one friend that lifts and tends to only gain fat where it makes him look aesthetically more muscular.

Smaller arms while cutting is not a "bad" thing. Neither is "deflation " after a couple of weeks on a diet.

Continue your cut, get through it, and pound your girlfriend .
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Sure! :thumbsup:
 
pyrobatt said:
Also note some people have

1.more bodyfat than they think which leads to a "full " look
2. Have the kind of fat storage that makes me jealous. You all have that one friend that lifts and tends to only gain fat where it makes him look aesthetically more muscular.

Smaller arms while cutting is not a "bad" thing. Neither is "deflation " after a couple of weeks on a diet.

Continue your cut, get through it, and pound your girlfriend .
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GROUND AND POUND BABY!!!!!
 
mnemotron said:
hi,im on day 20 with GW 501516,endurance is very good and i look leaner but seem even my arms are "smaller" than usual.It's possible GW 501516 reduces muscles or is just my immagination?
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How's it going for you? I am thinking of going with gw 501516 soon and want to know your thoughts.
 
fro60ol said:
How's it going for you? I am thinking of going with gw 501516 soon and want to know your thoughts.
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this stuff give you great endurance and fast recovery between sets.It's good even for fat loss but less than i imagined. I noticed that if i took it at nigh i have trouble in sleeping.After 20 days i look leaner but the weight is not changed a lot,it looks like a recomp
 
Anyone feeling excessively sore from these? For me, it might be described as a deeper soreness. I might describe it as a stiff soreness. Feels different than DOMS.

I started supplementing extra taurine and potassium and it helped some.

Btw, I'm on MK-677, GW and LGD. Taking creatine, BA, BCAAs and Liver support. I started the combo after coming off AX and Triazole. Not really doing anything too hardcore.

Thanks for any advice!
 
Going to be starting Legend (LGD) tomorrow. Any of you guys that have used LGD how did you feel on it, if at all different. The write-ups usually say it has the 'therapeutic benefits of testosterone...' Does it actually boost mood, energy, libido, aggression?
 
kck said:
Anyone feeling excessively sore from these? For me, it might be described as a deeper soreness. I might describe it as a stiff soreness. Feels different than DOMS.

I started supplementing extra taurine and potassium and it helped some.

Btw, I'm on MK-677, GW and LGD. Taking creatine, BA, BCAAs and Liver support. I started the combo after coming off AX and Triazole. Not really doing anything too hardcore.

Thanks for any advice!
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Are you feeling tight muscles in addition to the soreness?
 
How long has it seemed to take to notice effects from LGD?
I am currently running 6mg per day and will bump to 9mg next week. I only ask this because I am running BSLs LGD and after recent threads as to the validity and efficacy of their products I would like to know when I should expect to notice things. I don't want to waste my time using something that is doing nothing.

Thanks guys
 
clown007 said:
How long has it seemed to take to notice effects from LGD?
I am currently running 6mg per day and will bump to 9mg next week. I only ask this because I am running BSLs LGD and after recent threads as to the validity and efficacy of their products I would like to know when I should expect to notice things. I don't want to waste my time using something that is doing nothing.

Thanks guys
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LGD should kick in fast.If you don't feel it within few days ....it is probably bunk.
 
However at this point i really only trust OL and OL UK guys ...too many bunk products out there and too many threads about that
 
Lucianooo said:
However at this point i really only trust OL and OL UK guys ...too many bunk products out there and too many threads about that
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I agree and wish I had gone with OL-UK. I bought these bottles several months ago in the plans to run it later on. When OL-UK brought their line out, I picked up some of everything but LGD thinking I had some in reserve. I am planning to pick up LeGenD and all the others as a create a larger stockpile of trusted goodies.

I am on Day 3 of 6mg of the BSL LGD. Within a week then I should feel the effects if there are to be any then. What should I be looking for Lucianooo?
 
clown007 said:
I agree and wish I had gone with OL-UK. I bought these bottles several months ago in the plans to run it later on. When OL-UK brought their line out, I picked up some of everything but LGD thinking I had some in reserve. I am planning to pick up LeGenD and all the others as a create a larger stockpile of trusted goodies.

I am on Day 3 of 6mg of the BSL LGD. Within a week then I should feel the effects if there are to be any then. What should I be looking for Lucianooo?
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I would say...wait another 3 days and than if you don't feel anything grab a bottle of LeGenD.OL UK does things right ;). BSL stand for Bull****s Labs
 
Lucianooo said:
I would say...wait another 3 days and than if you don't feel anything grab a bottle of LeGenD.OL UK does things right ;). BSL stand for Bull****s Labs
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For sure!
What should I be (hopefully) feeling if it isn't garbage?
 
Excellent, I will be hopefully seeing those effects soon then... if not I will be ordering the OL LeGenD sooner than I had planned.

thanks guys
 
fro60ol said:
I am 5 weeks into osta and lgd and that is 100% right muscle fullness is crazy. Strength has gone way up
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how are you dosing them? Have read its not a good idea to stack both, but to be honest dont know why...whats your goal btw?
 
1kerry said:
how are you dosing them? Have read its not a good idea to stack both, but to be honest dont know why...whats your goal btw?
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It's theorized that they compete for the same receptors, so stacking them would be wasteful. Whether that's actually true or not, I don't know. There are never going to be any scientific studies to come up with that particular answer, so we'll have to rely on anecdotal data and judge for ourselves.
 
warpyfunch said:
It's theorized that they compete for the same receptors, so stacking them would be wasteful. Whether that's actually true or not, I don't know. There are never going to be any scientific studies to come up with that particular answer, so we'll have to rely on anecdotal data and judge for ourselves.
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I think there could very well be benefits to stacking them together (Im not sure I would write the idea off a priori), but as you say we wont get much of an idea of how quantifiable those possible benefits are without people experimenting.
 
Weathermark said:
Going with PRIMEVAL. Anybody here run their LGD-4033? I'm assuming it's good/legit?!
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go with safe bet and go OL.
after trying to learn about these non natty supps it's like a nightmare so much fake sh!t out there.
so go with whoever have decent reputation at least.
 
warpyfunch said:
It's theorized that they compete for the same receptors, so stacking them would be wasteful. Whether that's actually true or not, I don't know. There are never going to be any scientific studies to come up with that particular answer, so we'll have to rely on anecdotal data and judge for ourselves.
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I have heard that also that they compete for the same receptors but I also saw they don't. So idk I decided to run both
 
fro60ol said:
I have heard that also that they compete for the same receptors but I also saw they don't. So idk I decided to run both
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Its unlikely either one will completely exhaust target receptors. In saying this, though, might you consider dosing the products seperately? Given the half life of the compounds this tactic may not make any difference, but may be worth a shot.
 
Really noticed all effects kicking in on day 16 for me but by day 7 I saw fuller muscles , fat loss by day 14 and the strength kicked in dat 16
 
yates84 said:
There is not a lot of real world data on rad so we don't really know what it will do. I was just throwing out some ideas of stacks that I think will be effective. I actually have a friend that's about to start the rad/osta stack. I will let you guys know what happens.
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Haven't ran any SARMS yet, I've ran stano, halodrol, epi, trest, trenavar, M1T, triumph( some stacked, some solo) with that said I've been thinking about this for a strength first, then mass, them endurance/recovery cycle....
R.C. liquid LGD-5\5\8\8\10\10\10\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0
A1M-0\0\0\0\0\0\0\40\40\40\0\0\0\0\0\0\
GW- 0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\\7\14\14\14/21\21
PCT- will start with the GW and go...
Clomid-50\50\25\25
Nolva-20\20\10\10
Am Ai will be ran at low dose as needed. (16) weeks total including PCT.
 
TacTownbeast said:
Haven't ran any SARMS yet, I've ran stano, halodrol, epi, trest, trenavar, M1T, triumph( some stacked, some solo) with that said I've been thinking about this for a strength first, then mass, them endurance/recovery cycle....
R.C. liquid LGD-5\5\8\8\10\10\10\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0
A1M-0\0\0\0\0\0\0\40\40\40\0\0\0\0\0\0\
GW- 0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\\7\14\14\14/21\21
PCT- will start with the GW and go...
Clomid-50\50\25\25
Nolva-20\20\10\10
Am Ai will be ran at low dose as needed. (16) weeks total including PCT.
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Looks like a lot of gains bro, I like it
 
TacTownbeast said:
Haven't ran any SARMS yet, I've ran stano, halodrol, epi, trest, trenavar, M1T, triumph( some stacked, some solo) with that said I've been thinking about this for a strength first, then mass, them endurance/recovery cycle....
R.C. liquid LGD-5\5\8\8\10\10\10\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0
A1M-0\0\0\0\0\0\0\40\40\40\0\0\0\0\0\0\
GW- 0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\\7\14\14\14/21\21

PCT- will start with the GW and go...
Clomid-50\50\25\25
Nolva-20\20\10\10
Am Ai will be ran at low dose as needed. (16) weeks total including PCT.
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So basically you run your LGD and last dose or so you add the alpha and then once that's done you're running GW right after....so you would start pct AFTER GW? Since alpha is methylated, I'm assuming liver care while on it, correct? Learning a lot, I love it :)
 
Weathermark said:
So basically you run your LGD and last dose or so you add the alpha and then once that's done you're running GW right after....so you would start pct AFTER GW? Since alpha is methylated, I'm assuming liver care while on it, correct? Learning a lot, I love it :)
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correct, but PCT and GW will run together and continue the GW after PCT since it says it's not hormonal. And yes, most definitely support supps!!!! Especially with the A1M.
 
TacTownbeast said:
correct, but PCT and GW will run together and continue the GW after PCT since it says it's not hormonal. And yes, most definitely support supps!!!! Especially with the A1M.
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Ok now I get it. Hmmmm so are all SARMS non hormonal or just certain ones like GW? I took a picture of your stack because this looks very tasty down the road for me.
 
Weathermark said:
Ok now I get it. Hmmmm so are all SARMS non hormonal or just certain ones like GW? I took a picture of your stack because this looks very tasty down the road for me.
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Carderine is perfect for pct and it is non hormonal. Carderine really helps with my bp and pct is when I usually have the most bp issues. I personally wouldn't pct without carderine
 
Any concerns with epicatechin and GW together lowering BP too much?
 
I'm gonna run my LGD and throw in GW a few weeks before PCT. I'll then proceed my 4-week PCT along side GW. I'll continue GW until bottle is finished. Sound good?
 
clown007 said:
Any concerns with epicatechin and GW together lowering BP too much?
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I would get a little light headed if I stood up too quick but nothing crazy. I was on epic unleashed td and caps w/ 10mg of gw and 200mg of potassium nitrate daily
 
Thanks Yates. Good to know. I haven't felt anything of the like but just checking
 
How long until I should start noticing the effects of cardar1ne? I've been on it for a week at 14mg/day dosed in the morning, and can't say I've noticed any effects yet for sure. Maybe a tiny bit of fat loss, and maybe a tiny bit more endurance, but neither strong enough that I can really be sure it isn't just my imagination or wishful thinking.

I'm also on ghar1ne at 10mg/day dosed at bedtime, and am definitely noticing signs of increased gh.
 
warpyfunch said:
How long until I should start noticing the effects of cardar1ne? I've been on it for a week at 14mg/day dosed in the morning, and can't say I've noticed any effects yet for sure. Maybe a tiny bit of fat loss, and maybe a tiny bit more endurance, but neither strong enough that I can really be sure it isn't just my imagination or wishful thinking.

I'm also on ghar1ne at 10mg/day dosed at bedtime, and am definitely noticing signs of increased gh.
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Well GW effects are almost immediately.Maybe you should need another week.What I noticed more on GW was the endurance and recovery between sets.But I took only 10mg ed.I think that for fat loss purposes 20mg is the right dosage. 10mg is more for endurance and recovery.And also remember that GW is a powerful anti-catabolic at any dosage ;)
 
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