SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

[yates84]

Ok. Well I have two Ar1macare pro 1 cycle assist and 1 OL tudca. I'll have to lay everything out and see what else I'd need. May have enough with the 2 ar1macare

Sounds good! Armicare is a solid support supplement.

 

[07tacoma]

Yea used it with an andro cycle and ni complaints at all. Never used the tudca but seeing this is my first methylated and msten seems to be quite harsh in liver i picked it up to add in

 

[Bunshichi]

Yea used it with an andro cycle and ni complaints at all. Never used the tudca but seeing this is my first methylated and msten seems to be quite harsh in liver i picked it up to add in

Very good decision.

 

[07tacoma]

What about mk677? Not technically a sarm so could I just stack that with the msten/dermacrine?

 

[Bunshichi]

Yes. No problem there.

 

[Giants95]

When should I start taking pct after my rad cycle? The day after my cycle is over? I have OL super pct.
And should I just take the 10 capsules per day or split them up?

 

[sanmarino]

When should I start taking pct after my rad cycle? The day after my cycle is over? I have OL super pct.
And should I just take the 10 capsules per day or split them up?

When I'm calculating a eight week cycle with 10mg/ed RAD-140, I would start the PCT eight days after the last intake. Then you still have 1.06mg in your system (compared with 19.39mg one day after the last intake).

 

[warpyfunch]

SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

When I'm calculating a eight week cycle with 10mg/ed RAD-140, I would start the PCT eight days after the last intake. Then you still have 1.06mg in your system (compared with 19.39mg one day after the last intake).

Do you gave a source confirming RAD140 half life? That's been a mystery to me and I could never find anything conclusive. Ive never heard a delayed pct recommended, and it's always been suggested in this thread to just start the day after cycle ends, as far as I know.

Anecdotally, when RAD side effects are hitting hard and making me feel crappy, I start feeling significantly better like 2 days after discontinuing.

 

[johnnyp]

Do you gave a source confirming RAD140 half life? That's been a mystery to me and I could never find anything conclusive. Ive never heard a delayed pct recommended, and it's always been suggested in this thread to just start the day after cycle ends, as far as I know.

Anecdotally, when RAD side effects are hitting hard and making me feel crappy, I start feeling significantly better like 2 days after discontinuing.

ITT it was claimed to be 48 hours http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/279631-rad-140-a.html ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Giants95]

When should I start taking pct after my rad cycle? The day after my cycle is over? I have OL super pct.
And should I just take the 10 capsules per day or split them up?

Any more input on this?

 

[Vikingbro]

Anyone know if OLs 4 andro would serve as a good test base for SARMs? Trying not to use transdermals as I have small kids

 

[Vikingbro]

Any more input on this?

Pct starts the day after your last dose with SARMs. Also sup3r pct is split into two doses morning and evening. 5 caps each time

 

[warpyfunch]

Any more input on this?

super pct is not enough. you need a real SERM.

 

[Giants95]

Thank you!

 

[Giants95]

So I'll need some nolvadex?

 

[sanmarino]

Do you gave a source confirming RAD140 half life? That's been a mystery to me and I could never find anything conclusive. Ive never heard a delayed pct recommended, and it's always been suggested in this thread to just start the day after cycle ends, as far as I know.

Anecdotally, when RAD side effects are hitting hard and making me feel crappy, I start feeling significantly better like 2 days after discontinuing.

That's the 1 million dollar question. I'm calculating with 40h, but honestly, there is not much info out there regarding this. Radius Health should speed up their researches

Normally, a PCT doesn't start on the next day, it always depend on the half life. Why? When you are running a testosterone enantate cycle, you should wait approx. 14 days. Of course, you CAN run Clomid and/or Tamox one day after the last injection. But what happens in your body?

Due to the mechanism of SERM in men, the body is forced to produce testosterone and increase it's LH and FSH levels. But you still have a huge amount of testosterone in your body. There is a contraindication. When you planned to use Clomid four weeks, the first two weeks are senseless. In the end, you only profit from the last two weeks, which is a quite short PCT-time.

Theoretically, you should always start the PCT depending on the half life profile of the used drug. But you are right, I also never red something about this scheme when using PH or SARM It's probably because of ease. At least it's not that dramatically as you were using long estered AAS.

 

[warpyfunch]

That's the 1 million dollar question. I'm calculating with 40h, but honestly, there is not much info out there regarding this. Radius Health should speed up their researches

Normally, a PCT doesn't start on the next day, it always depend on the half life. Why? When you are running a testosterone enantate cycle, you should wait approx. 14 days. Of course, you CAN run Clomid and/or Tamox one day after the last injection. But what happens in your body?

Due to the mechanism of SERM in men, the body is forced to produce testosterone and increase it's LH and FSH levels. But you still have a huge amount of testosterone in your body. There is a contraindication. When you planned to use Clomid four weeks, the first two weeks are senseless. In the end, you only profit from the last two weeks, which is a quite short PCT-time.

Theoretically, you should always start the PCT depending on the half life profile of the used drug. But you are right, I also never red something about this scheme when using PH or SARM It's probably because of ease. At least it's not that dramatically as you were using long estered AAS.

thanks... i really can't fault your reasoning at all, but it just makes me curious as it runs contrary to the otherwise consensus on this site and in this thread; that a SARM pct starts the day after cycle, generally for 3-4 weeks at 50/25/25/x. ostarine, for example, is much better studied and confirmed to have a 24 hour half life, and it also gets this same advice to start pct as soon as the next day. i've used this protocol a few times myself, and hope i haven't just been wasting SERM.

i try to read and learn as much as i can, but at certain points it's just bit beyond me and i have to end up taking someone's word for it, and hopefully choosing to trust the right opinion.

would love to hear further discussion from some other knowledgable board members. yates84 around?

 

[sanmarino]

You won't have wasted much, maybe some couple of days but not weeks. This is nearly peanuts
Yes, the half life of Osta is 24h. Nevertheless, there is an accumulation in your system. Depending on the dosage, this leads to different PCT starting times. But as said: we are talking about half lifes of couple of hours and not of weeks.

Everything is fine

 

[warpyfunch]

You won't have wasted much, maybe some couple of days but not weeks. This is nearly peanuts
Yes, the half life of Osta is 24h. Nevertheless, there is an accumulation in your system. Depending on the dosage, this leads to different PCT starting times. But as said: we are talking about half lifes of couple of hours and not of weeks.

Everything is fine

haha ok, phew! a few days of wasted SERM is a lot different than reducing what i thought was a 4 weeks of pct effectively down to 2. :thumbsup:

 

[pepan007]

Just curious if any1 of you guys have problems like vertigo and low diastolic pressure with Osta/Mk677...Im drinking a lot of water also.

 

[jbehl]

Any advice on running Ostarine for a female? Where to buy it/possible side effects

 

[yates84]

Any advice on running Ostarine for a female? Where to buy it/possible side effects

We cannot source sarms on this forum. The biggest concern with osta for a female is it can possibly mess with your fertility. There is always the concern of masculine features developing as well but haven't heard too many of those stories with sarms.

 

[jbehl]

Yea I don't have plans on having any kids. What about the joint healing properties? I would be taking it more for that than anything. Dealing with shoulder impingement and weakness

 

[yates84]

Yea I don't have plans on having any kids. What about the joint healing properties? I would be taking it more for that than anything. Dealing with shoulder impingement and weakness

It could possibly help. I feel like osta helped heal my back a few years ago so I'm definitely a believer in those benifits. You shouldn't need any more than 5mg to achieve those effects.

 

[Rocket3015]

jbehl I see you are fairly new here, so just a word of wisdom Mr yates84 know his stuff !!!

Good luck !!

 

[jbehl]

Yes I am new. And completely new to the use of any kind of drug lol. I've been having shoulder issues - tendinitis in my left shoulder/impingement. Just want something to help heal that **** up so I can lift again. I was debating trying Ostarine but then I found out about MK677. Just don't know which to choose

 

[Rocket3015]

Yes I am new. And completely new to the use of any kind of drug lol. I've been having shoulder issues - tendinitis in my left shoulder/impingement. Just want something to help heal that **** up so I can lift again. I was debating trying Ostarine but then I found out about MK677. Just don't know which to choose

Yates is a good one to guide you on this !!

 

[jbehl]

I was going to try Ostarine to see if it helps my shoulder. I don't want surgery. I want something that will help with pain and help repair the tendons

 

[jbehl]

I'm just afraid. And I pride myself on being natural so it's like do I take the risk and the plunge to do Ostarine & see if it helps my shoulder at all? Or just not take it and keep going thru this painful & annoyig process

 

[djshortsleeve]

You should seek professional advice on your shoulder and not play witch doctor with supplements.

 

[jbehl]

I have already. I've already spent 100's and have been told the same ****. Shoulder impingement, tendinitis. I'm sick of it. It's not getting better and I've been doing what j should be. Icing, rest, rehab exercises, not lifting heavy. No overhead pressing

 

[Rocket3015]

Shoulder problems stink, I can lift crap anymore !!

 

[jbehl]

Yea & I don't want to resort to take stuff to help but I'm honestly at the end of my wits at this point. I want to be able to lift again I wanted to do my first figure show this spring and I've lost so much size in my delts it's crazy

 

[djshortsleeve]

I have already. I've already spent 100's and have been told the same ****. Shoulder impingement, tendinitis. I'm sick of it. It's not getting better and I've been doing what j should be. Icing, rest, rehab exercises, not lifting heavy. No overhead pressing

Sorry to hear.

 

[warpyfunch]

Yea & I don't want to resort to take stuff to help but I'm honestly at the end of my wits at this point. I want to be able to lift again I wanted to do my first figure show this spring and I've lost so much size in my delts it's crazy

Read through your story, and can share some relevant experience. I'm also a believer that ostarine can help heal nagging injuries, especially tendon injuries. Remember though, there is no science to back up these claims, and it is 100% anecdotal, however there are indeed a whole lot of positive anecdotes over the past several years. FWIW, I'm 34 and began noticing an increased frequency of frustrating injuries and joint issues after I turned 30. I carried two nagging injuries into two separate ostarine + mk677 cycles, and come out of both fully healed. Note, I used MK-677 for a year continuously without cycling off, which encompassed both of the below ostarine cycles.

The first was shoulder tendonitis, which was causing pain when doing overhead presses and incline bench press. I was still able to do flat bench press with no pain. I'd been dealing with the shoulder thing for about 2 months prior to starting ostarine. By the end of an 8-week cycle, the shoulder felt good as new and I was doing overhead movements with no issues whatsoever.

The second time was forearm tendonitis (tennis elbow) which is a really tricky condition and can linger for years if not forever. It had been bothering me for 2-3 months, during which I could not perform any pulling movements with a pronated grip. Neutral and supine were fine. Did another 8-week ostarine cycle, and again by the end my forearm felt great. Overall, after maybe two years of bouncing from one annoying injury to the next (shoulder, knee, back, shoulder again, forearm) I've now been completely injury free for a full year straight, and I think ostarine gets at least a little credit for that.

So from all that I would say, yeah, if you've done your research and have tried everything else, ostarine really can help you speed up the process. Ostarine is hardly androgenic at all, so as a woman you shouldn't have much worry about that. As long as you're not troubled by possibly fertility issues, as yates mentioned above. And MK-677's biggest side effect for me was water retention. It was annoying, and I did what I could to manage it, but there were definitely certain days here and there where I had trouble even getting my wedding ring on.

The unfortunate thing is, these compounds are much more difficult to acquire in 2016 than they have been in years past. All of the top brands that were producing them have since discontinued, which leaves you with shadier sources or tracking down someone with older surplus.

One last tip that I've learned through my own history of tendon problems is that I feel it's better to go with a heavier low-rep scheme, and focus on banging out 3-5 reps with perfect form. Tendon injuries tend to be synonymous with overuse injuries, and the more reps you do, the more wear and tear you're putting on it. I'm not suggesting you max out with new PRs or anything like that, but more like going heavy enough for a challenging 3-5 without total failure. It's a lot easier to maintain strict form for those few reps than it is when starting to fatigue at the end of a higher rep set. It will also allow you to retain your strength and keep those joints moving properly without quite as much repetitive motion. This sort of goes against conventional wisdom, I think, but it's served me well.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Yea & I don't want to resort to take stuff to help but I'm honestly at the end of my wits at this point. I want to be able to lift again I wanted to do my first figure show this spring and I've lost so much size in my delts it's crazy

BPC-157 It's a gastric peptide, can't be patented - I'd call it "Natty". You can swallow it and it has data showing it works that way (and it worked that way for me). I'd try that way before I tried Ostarine for tendons.

 

[yates84]

BPC-157 It's a gastric peptide, can't be patented - I'd call it "Natty". You can swallow it and it has data showing it works that way (and it worked that way for me). I'd try that way before I tried Ostarine for tendons.

Was my first recommendation to her via pm, said she's against pinning.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Was my first recommendation to her via pm, said she's against pinning.

Don't stick the needle in you, ma'am - just squirt it down your pie hole

 

[yates84]

Don't stick the needle in you, ma'am - just squirt it down your pie hole

How did that work out for you? It can't be very bioavailable

 

[jbehl]

Yeah I'd like to hear how that went lol

 

[The_Old_Guy]

How did that work out for you? It can't be very bioavailable

Huh? You talking BPC? My brosef:

https://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016/03/bpc-157-orally-available-peptide-that.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/280952-reconstituting-bpc-157-a.html

 

[Toren]

I'll be starting BPC-157 tonight for a blown out shoulder. I will be doing SQ injection and a small oral dose as well. I'm happy to report back.

Here's some reading that I came across on the potential healing abilities of the compound. There are studies floating around if you search for them. I believe I got my info from a thread on this forum and researched more from that point.

http://suppversity.blogspot.ca/2016/03/bpc-157-orally-available-peptide-that.html

https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2016/05/how-to-use-bpc-157/

As others have mentioned, I would not expect any type of miracles from either Ostarine or Ibutamoren. I have used both, and have been on MK-677 since last october. The first time I used Ostarine I saw an improvement in my joints, and specificallly my shoulders where I had chronic inflammation and impingment at times. The benefits were only temporary while I was on the compound, and for a couple weeks afterwards. I did not notice the same benefits on subsequent usage of Ostarine. I have noticed no joint healing benefits from MK-677 in my many months of use. In fact, I believe it was the one of the causitive factors of increased joint pain for many months. The potential for "healing" will most certainly depend on the condition you are trying to treat.

I have yet to TRY BPC-157 but the idea of using it alongside physical therapy seems much more inviting than shoulder surgery or many more years of discomfort.

 

[Toren]

I'm too slow. The old guy beat me to it!

 

[Burnfire]

I'm too slow. The old guy beat me to it!

You going to make a log or do you have one and I missed it?

 

[Toren]

You going to make a log or do you have one and I missed it?

I doubt I'll log it but I do plan on taking notes and I will post up a thread with my experience with it. I am still waiting for a second-opinion from a shouder specialist to see the extent of the damage. The injury is related to the tendons/rotator cuff.

 

[Burnfire]

I doubt I'll log it but I do plan on taking notes and I will post up a thread with my experience with it. I am still waiting for a second-opinion from a shouder specialist to see the extent of the damage. The injury is related to the tendons/rotator cuff.

For sure man, take some notes please. Good luck with the recovery!!

 

[EMPIREMIND]

I'll be starting BPC-157 tonight for a blown out shoulder. I will be doing SQ injection and a small oral dose as well. I'm happy to report back.

Here's some reading that I came across on the potential healing abilities of the compound. There are studies floating around if you search for them. I believe I got my info from a thread on this forum and researched more from that point.

http://suppversity.blogspot.ca/2016/03/bpc-157-orally-available-peptide-that.html

https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2016/05/how-to-use-bpc-157/

As others have mentioned, I would not expect any type of miracles from either Ostarine or Ibutamoren. I have used both, and have been on MK-677 since last october. The first time I used Ostarine I saw an improvement in my joints, and specificallly my shoulders where I had chronic inflammation and impingment at times. The benefits were only temporary while I was on the compound, and for a couple weeks afterwards. I did not notice the same benefits on subsequent usage of Ostarine. I have noticed no joint healing benefits from MK-677 in my many months of use. In fact, I believe it was the one of the causitive factors of increased joint pain for many months. The potential for "healing" will most certainly depend on the condition you are trying to treat.

I have yet to TRY BPC-157 but the idea of using it alongside physical therapy seems much more inviting than shoulder surgery or many more years of discomfort.

With and injury like that it might be beneficial to add in a cjc DaC/ mk677 combo. Also could look into tb500.

 

[Toren]

With and injury like that it might be beneficial to add in a cjc DaC/ mk677 combo. Also could look into tb500.

Thanks for the tip. I actually considered TB500 but decided I wanted to give BPC a go on it's own. I have also been on 20mg of MK-677 since January (and 10mg prior to that) so I'm hoping that helps as well. I've seen a great improvement in the last couple of days but I believe that to just be from the anti-inflammatory meds.

If I don't get what I want out of this run, I'll definitely look to add in some more stuff.

 

[EMPIREMIND]

Thanks for the tip. I actually considered TB500 but decided I wanted to give BPC a go on it's own. I have also been on 20mg of MK-677 since January (and 10mg prior to that) so I'm hoping that helps as well. I've seen a great improvement in the last couple of days but I believe that to just be from the anti-inflammatory meds.

If I don't get what I want out of this run, I'll definitely look to add in some more stuff.

Bpc is heralded as a great healer. I'm sure it will help.

 

[kcstreetracer]

ok dont flame me to hard for this question, i'm a newbie lol! i just got a bottle of ostar1ne and i'm wanting to start using it as im in a good calorie deficit and on cut right now, so here's my question. i'm on trt and am only 7 weeks in and am going to be getting bloods done again in 5 weeks to see if my t is getting in range. i had been on 140mg wk for 6 weeks and my total t was just 292 so he bumped me to 180mg wk and will retest again soon. will taking the osta have any sort of effect on my bloodwork for my trt that could not be benificial for me? should i wait to start it until my trt is dialed in?