Running Serm inverse to ADT??

somewhatgifted said:
Rxt = rebound xt, Lx = lean extreme
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Thanks Gifted! (must spread around first before... yada yada)

To clarify, if DHEA is used then the LX dose is 2,1,1 for those 3 wks.

If DHEA is not used, then the dose is 3,2,1 (number of caps per day that is) for those first 3 wks. We marketed it as 50mg caps instead of 25mg, so I have confused people with those 25mg increments for a long time now!
 
DR.D said:
wk1: Nolva 40mg/d, ATD 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, LX 75mg/d, FEN 3 caps
wk2: Nolva 40mg/d, ATD 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, LX 50mg/d, FEN 4 caps
wk3: Nolva 20mg/d, ATD 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, LX 25mg/d, FEN 5 caps
wk4: Nolva 20mg/d, ATD 50mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d, FEN 6 caps
wk5: ATD 50mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d
wk6: ATD 50mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d
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Dr D,

Would it be beneficial to add ActivaTe to this post cycle therapy after a Superdrol 3 week cycle? If so, how would you dose it? Thank you for your help.
 
Joker22 said:
Dr D,

Would it be beneficial to add ActivaTe to this post cycle therapy after a Superdrol 3 week cycle? If so, how would you dose it? Thank you for your help.
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I'm honestly not sure about the Activate. It's a DS product and I no longer do their R&D or product testing so I can not vouch for the effectiveness or potency/dose of their products anymore. If you want a sure bet, use MassFX instead.

As for your PCT, it looks quite solid but a bit overkill just for 3wks of SD and I still think clomiphene is a better PCT option after a run of SD.
 
Hello Dr.D and all,

I was thinking about using AX's PCT in place of rxt on my pct this cycle. I am doing a six week cutter with Ergomax and methyl rage. :)

Would it be a good idea to run the PCT inverse to nolva as suggested with ATD?

cheers. i apreciate any input, Stavross. :hammer:
 
Hey Stavross! How have you been?

Yes, the AX product contains steroidal AI's and the same inverse methodology would apply to it as well.
 
Hi Doc. I'm good, thanks for asking.:afro: I haven't posted on here for quite a while but have been reading a lot of stuff on here.

I haven't seen any e-max with mdht cutting logs so i'll do a report on it when i have finished. i'm hoping for some nice re-comping affect from it. ;) I have only ever used the m rage for a few days at the end of a sd cycle before so it's a new adventure for me. lol.

Thanks for the info by the way.
 
Sounds good my friend. Unfortunately, it seems I'm on 'the grid' these days and have to leave a good impression for those I work with and what not, so I dumped my ph collection down the flusher last year. Yeah, the doc totally cleaned house (and I did cry, I won't lie) but it's still interesting to hear your results with these older compounds. I remember the good ol' days! Stay in touch Stavross.
 
Oh man! that's rough.

Living in england means i can still buy most of the stuff that was available. I'm toying with the idea of running 1-test in the summer with a sd kick start.
 
A buddy of mine gave me his old stash about 3 days ago. It had LGs4-AD+(transdermal), SNS MOHN, VPX MonsterTest, Gaspari's Methyl-D, GATs MIT. He said he was gonna trash em and I could have em so, I got a question: Is it illegal to sell these on eBay? My guess would be YES.
 
ugab37 said:
A buddy of mine gave me his old stash about 3 days ago. It had LGs4-AD+(transdermal), SNS MOHN, VPX MonsterTest, Gaspari's Methyl-D, GATs MIT. He said he was gonna trash em and I could have em so, I got a question: Is it illegal to sell these on eBay? My guess would be YES.
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Your guess would be wrong. People do try and sell such items on ebay but they are controlled substances. Posession is a crime. Sale of them is a crime. If you're going to sell such things, doing so on a completely traceable medium such as Ebay is a stupid idea.
 
Kinda off topic, but why would you use a transdermal delivery for a methylated product?
 
Thats my point. LGs old 4-AD+ product has methyl 4-AD and its transdermal. I just didnt get that either.
 
dr.d, can i get your opinion on my pct for a 1st time PP 3 weeker? im getting a slightly puffy nip and decided not to continue for the last 6 days. thanks.

Post Cycle Therapy
5: 2ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (25mg) -- Fenugreek 1g –-WB+GB—LX (75mg)--DHEA 200mgs/3days, 50mg/4days
6: 1.5ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (50mg) -- Fenugreek 2g-WB+GB—LX (50mg)--ActivaTe 1600mg
7: 1ml tamoxifen citrate/ed-- RXT (50mg) one 6-OXO- Fenugreek 3g – WB+GB—LX(25mg)-ActivaTe 1600-3200mg
8: 0.5ml tamoxifen citrate/ed--Fenugreek 4g-- RXT (50mg) – two 6-OXO- WB+GB--Lx (25mg)ActivaTe 1600-3200mg
9: RXT(50mg)-two 6-OXO -ActivaTe 1600-3200mg
10:RXT(50mg)-two 6-OXO -ActivaTe 1600-3200mg
11:RXT(50mg)-two 6-OXO -ActivaTe 1600-3200mg
12:RXT(50mg)-two 6-OXO -ActivaTe 1600-3200mg
13:RXT(50mg)-one 6-OXO -ActivaTe 1600-3200mg
14:RXT(50mg)-ActivaTe 1600-3200mg
Run 4 more days at RXT(25mg)-ActivaTe 1600

i have to give some credit to werewolf for helping me out on this.
 
There is such a wealth of information here, I thought that I would pick some brains, especially Dr. D, before I spend my money on my PCT products. I've never used PH or steroids before, but I've had some halodrol-50 and some orastan-A in my possession for a while, and I'd like to run a cycle at the end of the summer. Over the next week or so, I'd like to order all the PCT so I have everything before I start. The H-50 will be run for 30 days (50 mg), and the orasan-A for 40 days (150 mg). For PCT, I was thinking nolvadex (serm) gespari's novadex xt (AI), and retain2 from anabolic extreme. I'd run the serm for 4 weeks, the AI for 6, and the retain 8 weeks. After reading the forums, several questions came to mind.

1. Is the cycle dosing right? Perhaps the Orastan-A should be run at 100 mg instead of 150, and maybe I should only run it for the 30 days while I'm on the halodrol?

2. Are the PCT products right? Clomid instead of Nolva or Clomid then Nolva?

3. Is there a better AI? Haven't heard novadex XT mentioned much in the forums. Would Rebount XT be a better fit here (wish to avoid the "leaky faucet")?

4. PCT length and doses. I thought I'd wait to hear from you guys before even suggesting a dose for the serm.

5. Support supps. When is the best time to take creatine or NO boosters during cycle? Is it better to stack these with the PH or wait until PCT and use it to help keep the gains? I usually run 6 week cycles of creatine and then take 6 weeks off. I could start this mid cycle and so it could be run well into PCT. Thoughts?

6. HGH. I've read a ton of stuff on Universal Kits products with the HGH precursors. Running 5 days on and 2 off with every fifth week off can keep the cycle running for months. I've read that this is very important during PCT.

7. Where would the retain2 fit in? Does it do anything other than cortisol control that I should be concerned about, such as interacting with the other supps, PH's, or agravating estrogen or anything crazy? Would a different product be a better fit? I think it's important to take a cort blocker during PCT, but maybe I'm off base.


I'm sure that your responses will illicit some more questions from me, but I've got some time to discuss this before I make a move. I'd like to know everything I can before I start. Thanks in advance for all the help. I know you guys will take care of my questions.
 
gerby said:
There is such a wealth of information here, I thought that I would pick some brains, especially Dr. D, before I spend my money on my post cycle therapy products. I've never used PH or steroids before, but I've had some halodrol-50 and some orastan-A in my possession for a while, and I'd like to run a cycle at the end of the summer. Over the next week or so, I'd like to order all the post cycle therapy so I have everything before I start. The H-50 will be run for 30 days (50 mg), and the orasan-A for 40 days (150 mg). For PCT, I was thinking nolvadex (serm) gespari's novadex xt (AI), and retain2 from anabolic extreme. I'd run the serm for 4 weeks, the AI for 6, and the retain 8 weeks. After reading the forums, several questions came to mind. ...
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1. Is the cycle dosing right? Perhaps the Orastan-A should be run at 100 mg instead of 150, and maybe I should only run it for the 30 days while I'm on the halodrol?
- 100,125,150,150 (ramp up 25mg/d at 10 day increments) is a good scheme. I actually like to end at 175.

2. Are the post cycle therapy products right? Clomid instead of Nolva or Clomid then Nolva?
- Clomid instead of Nolva always, at least for the first 2wks. Toremifene is even better.

3. Is there a better AI? Haven't heard novadex XT mentioned much in the forums. Would Rebount XT be a better fit here (wish to avoid the "leaky faucet")?
- If you wanna preserve libido, use a 6-BrAD based product (it's also the strongest one available).

4. post cycle therapy length and doses. I thought I'd wait to hear from you guys before even suggesting a dose for the serm.
- Depends on the SERM, not less that 2wks Tor or 3wks Clom, you make milk the AI out to 6wks or more if you like.

5. Support supps. When is the best time to take creatine or NO boosters during cycle? Is it better to stack these with the PH or wait until post cycle therapy and use it to help keep the gains? I usually run 6 week cycles of creatine and then take 6 weeks off. I could start this mid cycle and so it could be run well into PCT. Thoughts?
- I would use the Creatine and NO pre-w/o only, then a creatine the whole post cycle therapy also.

6. HGH. I've read a ton of stuff on Universal Kits products with the HGH precursors. Running 5 days on and 2 off with every fifth week off can keep the cycle running for months. I've read that this is very important during post cycle therapy.
- Not sure, I've never tried them.

7. Where would the retain2 fit in? Does it do anything other than cortisol control that I should be concerned about, such as interacting with the other supps, PH's, or agravating estrogen or anything crazy? Would a different product be a better fit? I think it's important to take a cort blocker during post cycle therapy, but maybe I'm off base.
- You are correct, it's important in post cycle therapy, but only for the first 3wks really. Other times when I take a dose of R2 are pre-w/o, post-w/o and first thing in the morning if I'm not gonna eat anytime soon. It can also be used 3-6x/day at anytime just to enhance fat loss.
 
Would 6Bromo, alpha and beta like in AX's AdvPCT, be a valid substitute to running ATD at 25/50/50/75 at night? if so, would it be at the AX recommended dosing, 3/day spread, or incremental dosing at night like ATD, 1cap/2cap/2caps/3caps? PCT is for a 6week havoc cycle.

was going to take maca, fenug, and paravol to bring restore libido, and torem.
 
wow...........18 pages..........

tagged this biotch........I have been wanting to do a Superdrol cycle so bad.........But i am so worried about gyno........

I will read this novel when i get time.
 
So why the LX dosage is tapered down? and not 3 pills through out?

And like have been mentioned, everyone says taking LX day 15all you need.

Is this true?
 
rxp1997 said:
Would 6Bromo, alpha and beta like in AX's AdvPCT, be a valid substitute to running ATD at 25/50/50/75 at night? if so, would it be at the AX recommended dosing, 3/day spread, or incremental dosing at night like ATD, 1cap/2cap/2caps/3caps? PCT is for a 6week havoc cycle.

was going to take maca, fenug, and paravol to bring restore libido, and torem.
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I suppose you are posing to run ATD[6-bromo] inverse to serm here? Why would you ramp up and stop? Wouldn't that leave you vulnerable to a rebound of estrogen? I would think you'd want to run the ATD 50/50/25/25, no? Any AI for that matter to let the estrogen levels return to normal in a controlled fashion ...
 
Kristofer68SS said:
wow...........18 pages..........

tagged this biotch........I have been wanting to do a Superdrol cycle so bad.........But i am so worried about gyno........

I will read this novel when i get time.
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If done properly (as long as you're of age - and in my opinion, have some good resistance training experience behind you to actually benefit from a Prohormone/Designer Steroid) you can definitely make some positive gains while minimizing the negative/adverse effects from completely ceasing the endogenous testosterone supply (Which will suppress your natural levels)... thus why a SERM is recommended highly - you want the estrogen, just not the negative effects thereof... IE Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator ;)
 
dmangiarelli said:
I suppose you are posing to run ATD[6-bromo] inverse to serm here? Why would you ramp up and stop? Wouldn't that leave you vulnerable to a rebound of estrogen? I would think you'd want to run the ATD 50/50/25/25, no? Any AI for that matter to let the estrogen levels return to normal in a controlled fashion ...
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The very long half-lifes (several days) of these two AIs are suppose to make tapering off unnecessary, but I still taper off to be extra safe.
 
RenegadeRows said:
What bugs me about this thread is "ADT". Somebody fix that ****!
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You should have been an English teacher my observant friend! :)

The anti-cortisol taper is just designed for efficiency. It reflects the dose required at the time, but there is technically no reason you have to taper.
 
I know this is an old thread, but it is probably the best I've seen on PCT! Great job Dr. D. quick question. Would one use the same dosing protocol for 6 bromo as RXT?
 
"wk1: Clomid 150mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, LX 75mg/d
wk2: Clomid 100mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, LX 50mg/d
wk3: Nolva 60mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, LX 25mg/d
wk4: Nolva 40mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d
wk5: Nolva 20mg/d, RXT 75mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d
wk6: RXT 75mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d"

When taking the clomid as a PCT, is it better to take it all at once or break it up like 75mg in the morning and 75mg at nite?
 
Have you ever heard of using Arimidex an Anastrazole, instead of clomid? is that I good idea? I know people that swear by Clomid like it's the end all be all... But I've recently heard that Arimidex is better.
 
From my understanding that's two different animals, a serm is different than and ai like the one which you are describing... This thread is stating the use of a serm and a suicidal ai together I believe not just the ai
 
INEEDGAINS said:
Have you ever heard of using Arimidex an Anastrazole, instead of clomid? is that I good idea? I know people that swear by Clomid like it's the end all be all... But I've recently heard that Arimidex is better.
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Two different pathways entirely. SERMs work by occupying the estrogen receptor, which hinders Es negative effect on the HPTA allowing testosterone to increase.

AIs work by inhibiting the enzyme that converts testosterone into estrogen, reducing its creation entirely.

Both of them have their merit, but typically a SERM + AI combo provides the best PCT in my opinion because you're targeting different pathways for maximum recovery.

This is why people are so fond of using Erase in their PCTs.
 
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