TEAR57
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Carcaya gave me a few blisters of plasma jet that he was not going to use. I have started taking a couple caps a day and my blood pressure seems to be appreciating it.
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Carcaya gave me a few blisters of plasma jet that he was not going to use. I have started taking a couple caps a day and my blood pressure seems to be appreciating it.
TEAR57
Member
let us know what your gains look like for your last week.
monsterbox
Well-known member
buy some celerly and eat a few stalks a day. It will drop your BP a good deal and increase your load size.:boobies:
TEAR57
Member
Is it possible that the original phera was dosed higher than advertised?
In your opinion with the DHEA would it be better to stick out the lethargy or use DHEA? Increasing estrogen seems like no big on Havoc but with phera? I know phera is not in fact a wet compound but not really dry either? Does the test to E ratio validate its use of DHEA?
pistonpump
Banned
Idk ive never used DHEA. I have a bottle of Dermacrine (transdermal DHEA) for use later down the road, probably around the time i start the superdrol. I dont need it with phera, phera resembles test the most to me out of all the otc that ive tried, minus the old 4ad. I always have good libido and alright energy on phera not to mention a good mood....alot like test. Superdrol is like the opposite so i may run some test prop or the dermacrine with that, esp since its towards the end of the cycle so i may need it.
THe lethargy shouldnt be that bad on phera, i would suspect the dose to be too high and liver is stress if it is. Just deal with it, rest is good as long as it doesnt interfere with training and work etc. then you dont really have a problem.
monsterbox
Well-known member
I'v heard DHEA is suppressive...well why would Dermicrine be used to help maintain testicular size if it includes a suppressive DHEA? This confuses me...
However, I used 50mg dhea/day on my havoc cycle and it greatly boosted my mood, kept me a little wetter, and my libido was great even at 40mg.
I'm using 50mg/day w/ my current m-drol cycle...I recommend DHEA for any cycle, but Im worried about additional suppression. I would love to use it in PCT as it make you feel wonderful.
pistonpump
Banned
They reccommend Sustain Alpha for maintaining LH and FSH, i should be testing it on my cycle and getting some blood work for LH and FSH soon.
monsterbox
Well-known member
I thought that was the new version of dermacrine....my bad
pistonpump
Banned
the ingredients of sustain are in dermacrine but at lower doses and dermacrine has dhea, sustain doesnt.
monsterbox
Well-known member
I remember dr.d saying it was ok to run up to 300mg dhea during pct along with RXT when people did the AI thing back in the day.
pistonpump
Banned
idk, i dont think i would agree with that. 300mg dhea would be suppressive imo. for the record dr. d is not a real md.
TEAR57
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TEAR57
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Day 3 was fantastic!!! I didnt get all my calorie needs taken care of but close enough.
It was back day and it was definitely the best back work out I have ever had in my entire life.
Great great mental feeling as I started my workout and it continued through the whole thing. Definitely a bit of euphoria.
Back feels great and solid today.
Sides: Well my skin is becoming quite a bit more oily already which has produced something like a zit on my chest, back, and forehead, For a total of three. Its not too bad though but I am having to wash my face 2-3 times a day at this point.
Still feeling quite well other than that.
Gains: My weight is up to 202 about an hour ago and my body fat is up to 13% but my back, inner chest, inner quad, and hamstring, are already showing good growth. Not feeling "on", yet but still feeling productive.
It was back day and it was definitely the best back work out I have ever had in my entire life.
Great great mental feeling as I started my workout and it continued through the whole thing. Definitely a bit of euphoria.
Back feels great and solid today.
Sides: Well my skin is becoming quite a bit more oily already which has produced something like a zit on my chest, back, and forehead, For a total of three. Its not too bad though but I am having to wash my face 2-3 times a day at this point.
Still feeling quite well other than that.
Gains: My weight is up to 202 about an hour ago and my body fat is up to 13% but my back, inner chest, inner quad, and hamstring, are already showing good growth. Not feeling "on", yet but still feeling productive.
mooch2321
Well-known member
use alchohol to kill zits that are already there....then get yourself one of those loofas with a long handle attached and squirt your face soap on it to get your back and shoulders...
mj34
Member
agreed use liver protectants before and after cycles, not during. WHile on cycle it starts flushing out toxins and imo it works against the drug
mj34
Member
2 of my bottles are this batch no. I have another one that is different. I have been on a week now and so far I have noticed appetite increase thats all. I have been using AAS and been on TRT about 4.5 years so I really dont know how much I'm gonna get out of it,
mj34
Member
How many people other than Monster are having problems with this batch number? If it is a bad batch what is cell gonna do about it?
I have run many of cycles now and sometimes I'm lucky to gain 5-10 pounds as gains come slower the deeper you get inot it. My suggesstion is to switch up compounds frequently and always use test as a base!!!
mj34
Member
Oh, also noticed a slight increase in BP. 2 weeks ago it was 140/88. Doc checked it monday and it was 140/100 so its prehypertension. The worst on my BP has been EQ which was 170/110, **** that stuff. Good thing is I'm on amild BP med called coreg and it works great I already have a decent dropin BP just after 2 days and no more ****ing headaches, god they suck. Watch your BP. Also have a diuretic called hydrochlorothyzide on hand which reduces bloat and reduces HBP.
mj34
Member
I'm pretty sure the lethargy has to do with HBP. I just started on BP meds and I have no lethargy and this is my first week on Phera. As I mentioned before Ive never messed with these DS only AAS.
TEAR57
Member
I am not sure why I did not think of that?? That is a wonderful idea I will be implementing in about 8 hours
Thanks for the suggestion brother:approve:
TEAR57
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This may be true...I dont know for sure however. I do know that I used a good amount of milk thistle while running Havoc and came away with 15 lbs lean. A little less compound and a little more liver is ok with me.
I really dont know what the right answer is??
TEAR57
Member
Well....I think.....nope nope I just looked at it...it is in fact reeking.:You_Rock_Emoticon:
TEAR57
Member
Ya blood pressure is proving to be a bit of an issue...I have had 4 bloody noses since I started this log and the cold weather is not helping with that at all. Other than BP how was your experience with EQ?
TEAR57
Member
Day 4
Break day. Spent the day eating.
Day 5
Today was a good day I got a good amount of sleep last night and ate like a champ all day!
Physical Changes
Vascularity more pronounced throughout the day (thank you high BP) just sitting here my veinage is lookin strong.
Biceps have definitely put some width on them in the last couple days feeling strong.
After relieving myself this morning I weighed in at 206 (jeans only) So I am up approximately 10 lbs so far, notable amount of fat but muscle just as notable abs still visible...if only just barely:rasp:
Hamstrings have put on very notable mass thickness and hardness very much increased.
Stayin oily WOOH!
Mental Changes
Felt a bit agitated the last couple days. I am not experiencing quite the amount of "good feelings", people seem to associate with phera? However life is still a bit crazy at this point so that will stand as the main contributor.
Work Out
Super set between barbell shoulder press and lateral raises.
5 sets 10ish reps barbell 12ish reps raises
145 for shoulder press and 20s, 15s, 12s, for raises
1 set Arnold shoulder press one arm isolation with 25s (SMOKED!!!)
3 sets of 15 for shin muscle... with 15s........
3 sets leg extension keeping legs not going much below about 35 degrees.
3 sets of 10 incline legpress 945 (20 plates plus whatever the carriage weighs?)
Good workout went directly to noodles and company following and got the pasta fresca with double chicken and all together too much sriracha hot sauce (burnt colon)
Immediately following that we went to chilis and I had the chicken crispers.
Immediately following that I ate for donuts the Krispy Kreme guy gave us for free.
Effective post workout:approve:
Recovery is not seeming to even be a part of my bodies dictionary at this point my body is fixed before its even broken. very nice.
Increases in size thus far are apparent
strength.....not yet....
Good night!
Break day. Spent the day eating.
Day 5
Today was a good day I got a good amount of sleep last night and ate like a champ all day!
Physical Changes
Vascularity more pronounced throughout the day (thank you high BP) just sitting here my veinage is lookin strong.
Biceps have definitely put some width on them in the last couple days feeling strong.
After relieving myself this morning I weighed in at 206 (jeans only) So I am up approximately 10 lbs so far, notable amount of fat but muscle just as notable abs still visible...if only just barely:rasp:
Hamstrings have put on very notable mass thickness and hardness very much increased.
Stayin oily WOOH!
Mental Changes
Felt a bit agitated the last couple days. I am not experiencing quite the amount of "good feelings", people seem to associate with phera? However life is still a bit crazy at this point so that will stand as the main contributor.
Work Out
Super set between barbell shoulder press and lateral raises.
5 sets 10ish reps barbell 12ish reps raises
145 for shoulder press and 20s, 15s, 12s, for raises
1 set Arnold shoulder press one arm isolation with 25s (SMOKED!!!)
3 sets of 15 for shin muscle... with 15s........
3 sets leg extension keeping legs not going much below about 35 degrees.
3 sets of 10 incline legpress 945 (20 plates plus whatever the carriage weighs?)
Good workout went directly to noodles and company following and got the pasta fresca with double chicken and all together too much sriracha hot sauce (burnt colon)
Immediately following that we went to chilis and I had the chicken crispers.
Immediately following that I ate for donuts the Krispy Kreme guy gave us for free.
Effective post workout:approve:
Recovery is not seeming to even be a part of my bodies dictionary at this point my body is fixed before its even broken. very nice.
Increases in size thus far are apparent
strength.....not yet....
Good night!
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Hooligan54321
New member
You forgot to mention the 4 donuts after chillis 
pistonpump
Banned
burnt colon :lol:
4 bloody noses already? that doesnt sound good.
4 bloody noses already? that doesnt sound good.
TEAR57
Member
That my friend is true ya kike. I have edited to your satisfaction.You forgot to mention the 4 donuts after chillis
ya dude excessive amounts of hot sauce works wonders as a good colon cleanse.
TEAR57
Member
Day 6
Well today was biceps and a tiny bit of chest.
5 sets of 10 on preacher curl
2 sets isolation hammer curls
4 sets of forearm weighted pipe roller........thing
3 sets incline db chest press 60s, 75s, 70s
I was training a couple of my friends so this was all I was able to get in even so it was an absolutely incredible workout. I definitely looked as though I was on something during that workout my veins were blowing out of my arms and my biceps just about removed themselves from my body.
At this point I can confidently say that this is not a bad batch as some may have felt.
Skin seems to be settling down a bit as well, not as oily.
Kept eating like a king then.....like a poor king who loves wendys chicken nuggets!!!
Feeling good. A couple times in the day I seem to have a little euphoric moment.
Blood pressure is becoming more and more apparent I am drinking a good amount of water and continueing hawthorn but after dosing I always get SUPER flushed then I get the pulsing feeling through my body(blood pumping). Not really too uncomfortable but it does seem to make me feel a little lethargic.
Would cutting my salt intake down make much of a difference in bp?
Well today was biceps and a tiny bit of chest.
5 sets of 10 on preacher curl
2 sets isolation hammer curls
4 sets of forearm weighted pipe roller........thing
3 sets incline db chest press 60s, 75s, 70s
I was training a couple of my friends so this was all I was able to get in even so it was an absolutely incredible workout. I definitely looked as though I was on something during that workout my veins were blowing out of my arms and my biceps just about removed themselves from my body.
At this point I can confidently say that this is not a bad batch as some may have felt.
Skin seems to be settling down a bit as well, not as oily.
Kept eating like a king then.....like a poor king who loves wendys chicken nuggets!!!
Feeling good. A couple times in the day I seem to have a little euphoric moment.
Blood pressure is becoming more and more apparent I am drinking a good amount of water and continueing hawthorn but after dosing I always get SUPER flushed then I get the pulsing feeling through my body(blood pumping). Not really too uncomfortable but it does seem to make me feel a little lethargic.
Would cutting my salt intake down make much of a difference in bp?
boo99
Member
Hey tears... still following here my friend.
Ya salt is always told to patients with Hypertension-- to be cut out or lowered.
But, have you actually gotten it taken? What is it? Sorry if you posted it -- I didnt see it.
The flushing happened to me on my cycles as well as well as night sweats, and feeling hot a lot but into 4th week -- all was gone in that area.
My highest BP was 125/76 at my MDs office.
Let us know about the BP-- but you gotta know the numbers to see first if theres a problem.
The lower number (the diastolic) is really the most important as this is the time when the heart is resting and the ventricles are dilated and causes damage if it is too high.
>90 diastolic (the lower number of the common 120/80 BP) is the one thats the concern.
Let us know whats up and be well!
boo
TEAR57
Member
Day 7
Weighed in at 208 and still 13% body fat
So about 12 lb overall increase at the end of week one.
Today was back and triceps
5 supersets each set consisting of
7 reps wide grip lat pull down
7 reps wide reverse grip pull down
7 reps close reverse grip pull down
Amazing combination I absolutely love it!
3 sets 1 arm lat pull down
3 sets isolation pull down with cable machine
Absolutely wrecked lats today it was awesome I was incredibly swollen.
Triceps
Super set triangle press down and overhead tricep extension with rope.
4 sets of this and reverse grip skull crushers to conclude the workout.
Great energy in the gym and putting weight on very quickly.
So Carcaya and I have been talking about changing the our work out style week to week for this cycle just to give the old body a freak out.
Week 1 3-4 sets of 8-12 (normal)
Week 2 Full body work out 2 exercises per muscle group
Week 3 Increased sets 6-10 Depending on muscle group (aka german volume)
Week 4 3-4 sets high weight
Just an idea does anybody have any thoughts on our scheming?
Weighed in at 208 and still 13% body fat
So about 12 lb overall increase at the end of week one.
Today was back and triceps
5 supersets each set consisting of
7 reps wide grip lat pull down
7 reps wide reverse grip pull down
7 reps close reverse grip pull down
Amazing combination I absolutely love it!
3 sets 1 arm lat pull down
3 sets isolation pull down with cable machine
Absolutely wrecked lats today it was awesome I was incredibly swollen.
Triceps
Super set triangle press down and overhead tricep extension with rope.
4 sets of this and reverse grip skull crushers to conclude the workout.
Great energy in the gym and putting weight on very quickly.
So Carcaya and I have been talking about changing the our work out style week to week for this cycle just to give the old body a freak out.
Week 1 3-4 sets of 8-12 (normal)
Week 2 Full body work out 2 exercises per muscle group
Week 3 Increased sets 6-10 Depending on muscle group (aka german volume)
Week 4 3-4 sets high weight
Just an idea does anybody have any thoughts on our scheming?
TEAR57
Member
Glad to see you are still hangin around boo.
No I have not yet taken my blood pressure I will try to do that this coming week. Could I use one of the blood pressure machines that they have at pharmacies or should I go to the doc?
Hooligan54321
New member
My thoughts on your scheming are it sucks big effing donkey balls that I'm going to be on Keto during this!
madds87
Well-known member
Just an idea for the first week. I would try to 3-4 sets 15 reps. This way it will be different on all of the weeks. I have learned through experiene that just turning up the reps to 15 is making a huge difference. This is also keeping in mind the last reps sould be at near failure.
boo99
Member
sure thing man. I like your details in your logs.
at the pharmacies is accurate but take several of them and average them out. BP will change all day according to activity, etc. But you can get a rough idea though. If the averages are too high, then the MDs method is a bit more accurate cause they still "listen" to it.
Start with the machine though and see. You dont want to mess with high BP.
Let us know, keep up the detailed posts and great work!
boo
TEAR57
Member
Ya buddy!!! Gargle those donkey balls you crazy queer!
Well we are starting week two now but I was thinking about using that rep range near the end of pct. Near failure or to failure?
I took my blood pressure today my first reading was 140 over 80 and my second was 128 over 74 so maybe I am not going to die after all. Thanks for your comments boo much appreciated.
boo99
Member
you are welcome man, glad to help.
those are fine numbers, just keep taking them thruout to check and keep posting --
and going strong.boo
TEAR57
Member
you are welcome man, glad to help.
those are fine numbers, just keep taking them thruout to check and keep posting --
boo
Will do thanks again buddy.
TEAR57
Member
[B]LACTATION/GYNO!!! INPUT PLEASE[/B]
Alright today sucked I stayed at my gramps house and got up late and didnt get any real food until about 1 o clock so I just deflated all day. Worked out legs and abs and it was a surprisingly good work out.
:chick:HOWEVER half way through my workout i scratched my chest and my nipples screamed in pain little nipple squeals. I did shave today so I am wondering if perhaps my nips were particularly dry from aftershave. I did dose my last two pills within about 3 and a half hours of eachother and I was wondering if that may have instigated the sensative nips? But as I am writing this I looked down and pressed on my nips and they appear to have some lactation.
I am not very sure what do do at this point until I get some responses I will just going to stick it out so please respond with suggestions. I have Nolva and some left over Novadex xt (ATD)
7 sets incline leg press with 7 plates (14)
4 sets hamstring curl 110 lbs
4 sets dumbell squats 55s with emphasis on glutes
9 sets calf press with leg press 360lbs 3 sets neutral 3 sets turned out 3 sets turned in
5 various ab exercises 3 sets each
Alright today sucked I stayed at my gramps house and got up late and didnt get any real food until about 1 o clock so I just deflated all day. Worked out legs and abs and it was a surprisingly good work out.
:chick:HOWEVER half way through my workout i scratched my chest and my nipples screamed in pain little nipple squeals. I did shave today so I am wondering if perhaps my nips were particularly dry from aftershave. I did dose my last two pills within about 3 and a half hours of eachother and I was wondering if that may have instigated the sensative nips? But as I am writing this I looked down and pressed on my nips and they appear to have some lactation.
I am not very sure what do do at this point until I get some responses I will just going to stick it out so please respond with suggestions. I have Nolva and some left over Novadex xt (ATD)
7 sets incline leg press with 7 plates (14)
4 sets hamstring curl 110 lbs
4 sets dumbell squats 55s with emphasis on glutes
9 sets calf press with leg press 360lbs 3 sets neutral 3 sets turned out 3 sets turned in
5 various ab exercises 3 sets each
pistonpump
Banned
what are your doses so far and how long have you been on?
TEAR57
Member
I have dosed 30 mgs ED 9 days ago.
I took 20 mgs nolva last night and my nips are dry as a desert so hopefully just a little nolva through out will keep the E in line.
Really my only concern at this point is whether nolva will hinder my gains at all????
pistonpump
Banned
if the nolva is working that quick you may not have a problem. You can keep using it at 20mg ed then move to 20mg eod. Ive had to use nolva on cycle many times and it sucks you have to do that but its better than growing tits. The gains.......im not sure how much they were effected, there is no real way to tell.
mj34
Member
Sorry to reply back so late. EQ is really great for both appetite and endurance and I always felt kinda amped on that stuff, other than HBP its great. Lean muscle and decent strength gains.
mj34
Member
Yes, this is my first go with any designers and as I mentioned I have used AAS for quite a while now. I put Phera up there with Dbol as far as BP goes. Just take all the natural stuff to prevent it. If it gets to bad though I would drop it unless you want to be on BP meds like me!
mj34
Member
Although anabolics and stimulants will increase BP, I'm beginning to think that it has a lot to do with hereditary/genetics. The reason is, that everyone that I talk to has someone in their family that hasnt used AAS and they have HBP.
mj34
Member
Supposedly a lot of people compare this to Dbol. Well, so far I havent noticed the strength gains and with Dbol they come on in about 5 days. The pumps from Dbol are intense, not so much with Phera so far. My arms feel pumped all day with dbol, I start brushing my teeth and my arms hurt they start getting pumped its ****ing insane! Phera so far with appetite is right under EQ, man this stuff really makes me eat. So even if this is the only thing I get out of it, its still worth it for me because the more you eat the bigger you get. I'm hoping the strength gains come on, thursday will be 2 weeks! Any feedback on this. Oh, I do get a mild euphoric feeling on Phera but the Dbol feeling is more intense. There is a lot less bloat from Phera than Dbol. One other thing the acne from Phera is just as bad as with Dbol. So, all in all we will see how Phera holds up against Dbol
mj34
Member
Blood pressure is becoming more and more apparent I am drinking a good amount of water and continueing hawthorn but after dosing I always get SUPER flushed then I get the pulsing feeling through my body(blood pumping). Not really too uncomfortable but it does seem to make me feel a little lethargic.
Would cutting my salt intake down make much of a difference in bp?[/QUOTE]
Salt will make you retain water, drinking more water will make you hold less water. I think with Phera and any oral around 1.5 gallons is sufficient. I use crystal light and its so easy to drink water all day and it doesnt alter the water at all. You can use an AI like Adex and it will help get rid of bloat if that is your problem, bloat can raise BP, so adex will help lower through this route. Also a mild direutic is what I will be using in conjunction with my BP meds, its very mild and its potassium sparring HCTZ. You will need a script for that and I'm not sure you even need something like this, but if BP gets bad go see your doc and it takes about 4 weeks of consistent HBP to determine whether or not they will give you BP meds or not.
Would cutting my salt intake down make much of a difference in bp?[/QUOTE]
Salt will make you retain water, drinking more water will make you hold less water. I think with Phera and any oral around 1.5 gallons is sufficient. I use crystal light and its so easy to drink water all day and it doesnt alter the water at all. You can use an AI like Adex and it will help get rid of bloat if that is your problem, bloat can raise BP, so adex will help lower through this route. Also a mild direutic is what I will be using in conjunction with my BP meds, its very mild and its potassium sparring HCTZ. You will need a script for that and I'm not sure you even need something like this, but if BP gets bad go see your doc and it takes about 4 weeks of consistent HBP to determine whether or not they will give you BP meds or not.
mj34
Member
Yes, I agree those numbers are okay, however; if it stays at around 140/100, the bottom or diastolic number is heart at rest which is most important, then see a doc or stop the Phera. Dont **** with BP bro, it can severly mess you up brother. I get warning signs like really bad headaches and lethargy and aggravation. Many people do not get these signs, hence it is called the silent killer.you are welcome man, glad to help.
those are fine numbers, just keep taking them thruout to check and keep posting --
boo