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REEKING P-Plex!!

TEAR57

TEAR57

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Alright so after much debate between Superdrol, Halodrol, Pheraplex, or a Phera-Super bridge... I have come to the decision that P-Plex by CEL fits my needs for right now. This is clearly going to be a bulk and I am ready to blow up!!!!

Starting Stats
5' 9 1/2"
195 lbs
11.5% BF
22 yo


I am planning on ramping up to 30 mgs as quickly as possible in this way...

Days 1-3
20mgs
Days 4-14
30mgs
Days 15-21
40 mgs depending how I feel
Days 22-28
30-40 mgs again depending on how I feel ramping down 3-4 days as ramping up nolva
This leaves me with 9 caps so I will add those into the beginning of the cycle of I feel the need. If not I will feed them to my cat.


Support supps will include:
Multi
Fish Oil with CoQ10 2 caps
Liver Cleanse 3 tabs
Saw Palmetto 2 tabs
Hawthorn Berry Extract 3 tabs
Super Acidophillus 2 tabs
BCAAs 2-4 grams
Cissus (YAY CISSUS):smlove2: 5 grams
Milk thistle 2 caps
NAC 1 cap
Taurine 1 tsp
GABA 1tsp
Vitamin E 3 gels
Creatine 5 grams

PCT
LiquiNolva
30:20:20:10
(any suggestions gladly welcome)
Lean Xtreme

Novadex xt

FOOD!!!!

I will update tomorrow evening and post some before pics.
Also my boy Carcaya is logging his HAVOC cycle and we are all in for a real treat so stop by and give some feedback!

Please Disregard the rainbows in the pictures I moved back home for a bit and was given the option of the nursery or the dog run AHAHA
 

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I would go to 30 mg straight away. I tried gradually increasing the dosage the last cycle I ran and didn't really notice any strength increases until 30 mg.

P-plex is a great product though, you should be impressed. I'd run it again if it didn't cause so much shedding. It's really like M-drol but you can increase the dosage further without debilitating side effects.
 
TEAR57 said:
Alright so after much debate between Superdrol, Halodrol, Pheraplex, or a Phera-Super bridge... I have come to the decision that P-Plex by CEL fits my needs for right now. This is clearly going to be a bulk and I am ready to blow up!!!!

Starting Stats
5' 9 1/2"
195 lbs
11.5% BF
22 yo


I am planning on ramping up to 30 mgs as quickly as possible in this way...

Days 1-3
10mgs
Days 4-7
20mgs
Days 8-14
30mgs
Days 15-21
40 mgs depending how I feel
Days 22-28
30-40 mgs again depending on how I feel ramping down 3-4 days as ramping up nolva
This leaves me with 9 caps so I will add those into the beginning of the cycle of I feel the need. If not I will feed them to my cat.


Support supps will include:
Multi
Fish Oil with CoQ10 2 caps
Liver Cleanse 3 tabs
Saw Palmetto 2 tabs
Hawthorn Berry Extract 3 tabs
Super Acidophillus 2 tabs
BCAAs 2-4 grams
Cissus (YAY CISSUS):smlove2: 5 grams
Milk thistle 2 caps
NAC 1 cap
Taurine 1 tsp
GABA 1tsp
Vitamin E 3 gels
Creatine 5 grams

PCT
LiquiNolva
30:20:20:10
(any suggestions gladly welcome)
Lean Xtreme

Novadex xt

FOOD!!!!

I will update tomorrow evening and post some before pics.
Also my boy Carcaya is logging his HAVOC cycle and we are all in for a real treat so stop by and give some feedback!
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If u put half the time and money into ur diet, u will be set:bigeyes2:!!!
 
i say leave the liver support and milk thistle out until post cycle.
some people are claiming problems with a certain batch of Pplex, what is your batch number? (should be on the bottle)
 
dezzy84 said:
If u put half the time and money into ur diet, u will be set:bigeyes2:!!!
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You are right. That is why I have put closer to 90% of my time and money into diet, just to be on the safe side:bigeyes2:. I appreciate advice but it may be better to ask questions first. Not to mention if you do in fact smoke and drink as your profile suggests then I would recommend putting 100% of your time into quitting and you will be set. I used Chantix for smoking and it worked wonders. Good luck
 
Space said:
I would go to 30 mg straight away. I tried gradually increasing the dosage the last cycle I ran and didn't really notice any strength increases until 30 mg.

P-plex is a great product though, you should be impressed. I'd run it again if it didn't cause so much shedding. It's really like M-drol but you can increase the dosage further without debilitating side effects.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I have read that others have experienced this as well. However I typically like to give my body a little adjustment time with this sort of thing. I am going to bump my first few days to 20 mgs and the next for days up to 30mgs. Shedding eh? What dosage did you first begin to notice shedding? Did you use any sort of DHT blocker?
 
pistonpump said:
i say leave the liver support and milk thistle out until post cycle.
some people are claiming problems with a certain batch of Pplex, what is your batch number? (should be on the bottle)
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What would be the benefit of leaving out the milk thistle and liver support?

My batch # is 071508.....What batches have you heard of having issues and what were they?
 
pistonpump said:
what is your training style, just curious?
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I adjust my training style constantly! For the last month or so I have been really focusing on endurance with relatively low weight and maintenance calories. However I have will be training with mass in mind for a few months.
For legs though I am doing high weight, high sets, and medium reps. I have very very strong legs which do not fatigue easily so I will be doing this for a little bit to see if I can shock them into compliance.

I am not sure I completely understand your question could you be more specific? Unless the above answers it.:squareeyed:
 
TEAR57 said:
What would be the benefit of leaving out the milk thistle and liver support?

My batch # is 071508.....What batches have you heard of having issues and what were they?
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Never, ever leave out support for the liver during cycle, pct etc.

the liver does soooooo many functions (more than 500!) -------->Invalid Link Removed

--and you dont ever want to f**k with it ever

it is the "general" of the body as the Chinese call it!:squareeyed:


great pics btw tears
 
TEAR57 said:
Thanks for the suggestion. I have read that others have experienced this as well. However I typically like to give my body a little adjustment time with this sort of thing. I am going to bump my first few days to 20 mgs and the next for days up to 30mgs. Shedding eh? What dosage did you first begin to notice shedding? Did you use any sort of DHT blocker?
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Well I started to experienced shedding by about the end of the 2nd week. But it's nothing that you should be too worried about because best case scenario is that you don't get any shedding at all and if you don't get this with P-plex, then your probably not predisposed and don't have to worry about it at all.

As for DHT blockers, they wouldn't help because p-plex is a DHT derivative.

Best of luck and enjoy your cycle.
 
Space said:
Well I started to experienced shedding by about the end of the 2nd week. But it's nothing that you should be too worried about because best case scenario is that you don't get any shedding at all and if you don't get this with P-plex, then your probably not predisposed and don't have to worry about it at all.

As for DHT blockers, they wouldn't help because p-plex is a DHT derivative.

Best of luck and enjoy your cycle.
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Hmmm? Would a topical DHT blocker make sense? As far as family genetics I am very genetically predisposed so if there is any possible way to protect the follicles I would not waste any time. Thanks
 
boo99 said:
Never, ever leave out support for the liver during cycle, pct etc.

the liver does soooooo many functions (more than 500!) -------->Invalid Link Removed

--and you dont ever want to f**k with it ever

it is the "general" of the body as the Chinese call it!:squareeyed:


great pics btw tears
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That has also been my understanding. Thanks for posting the link brotha:yeah:
 
TEAR57 said:
That has also been my understanding. Thanks for posting the link brotha:yeah:
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welcome

i got a medical background so its cool to share

also studied chinese med for my MS for 3 yrs but not done as well! (costly -- to go to school for it--- almost as much as supplements- lol)
 
its not that i dont think they shouldnt be used oncycle its just im working on a budget i cant afford to run liver support both on and off. I choose to run it off based on experience and just logic. I dont think they do much while oncycle if anything they would just stress the liver more imo and can possible take away from the effect of the steroid. I just dont buy it anymore i think its better to take in PCT but if you can afford to run it then go ahead. If money was no object i would be running it probably year round.
 
boo99 said:
welcome

i got a medical background so its cool to share

also studied chinese med for my MS for 3 yrs but not done as well! (costly -- to go to school for it--- almost as much as supplements- lol)
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no offense at all but i respect the medical background it can be very very beneficial but real world experience is good too. Not saying you dont have any or i what i say is right, im just saying. :cheers:
 
Day 1

Ok so I was feeling pretty good and so I ended up taking 30mgs today and I feel just fine.

Mental status was good and focused but I contribute that to placebo as usual.
First dose was at 6:00 am
Work out consist of two exercises.

Incline leg press
585 x 10 reps x 9 sets.
565 x 30 reps x 1 set
Brutal but not too brutal my legs really just require an absolute beating and this was really not too bad but definitely effective. Hit a second wind around around set 7 very strange.

Calf Press on Leg Press machine 320 x 12-15 x 5

My legs were going to absolutely explode!!! I ate fettuccine alfredo all day yesterday and then had a cup of Dee's Cereal this morning so my glycogen stores were most definitely smashed full which surely contributed to this tightness.

Hamstrings and more calves at around six.

Straight leg dead lifts 185 x 8-10 x 3
Prone hamstring curl 110 x 7-10 x 3 and single leg 80 x 10 x 1 ( per leg )
Donkey kick ass squeezers!!! 90 x 10 x 3
Duck Foot calf press 340 x 12-15 x 2
Pigeon toed calf press 340 x 12-15 x 2
Shin muscle lift... thing 30 x 10 x 3

20 minutes yogalatis with minimal energy usage except for ass raising thing

Legs feel fine I think they will be back in tip top shape by morning.

Calories at just about 4000 so all is well. Good first day

Sides? Just a little elevated blood pressure due to not quite enough water intake. Blood pressure back to normal after rehydrating.

Glycogen storage seems to be very explosive which is very nice! After legs this morning my biceps were just about to pop as well if that gives you a good picture.

I took my GABA about 15 min ago and I feel as though I have started a morphine drip? Phera interaction? Oh well I am passing the freak out!!!!

Thanks everyone for all your input
 
pistonpump said:
its not that i dont think they shouldnt be used oncycle its just im working on a budget i cant afford to run liver support both on and off. I choose to run it off based on experience and just logic. I dont think they do much while oncycle if anything they would just stress the liver more imo and can possible take away from the effect of the steroid. I just dont buy it anymore i think its better to take in PCT but if you can afford to run it then go ahead. If money was no object i would be running it probably year round.
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Well I worked at GNC for ... 3 days and in that time I came into a lot of liver support supplements and about a kilo of capped milk thistle. That is an interesting point though regarding the added stress on the liver??? Kind of a catch 22 perhaps. Thanks Piston
 
Whatever you are feeling right now is probably placebo, it takes at least a few days or more for phera to work compared to other DS.

not to burst your bubble, but I have the same batch and ran 30mg+ for the past 3 weeks with NOTHING. Complete failure, no pumps, no sweating, no lethargy, no hardness, Absolutely NO weight gain. Illl tell you what happend, I lost 3lbs of water from getting off creatine....thats all.

Just switched to M-drol yesterday....

Good luck, keep us posted...I'm very curious to see your results. I'm not saying the batch is bad, CEL rep told me it tested to 100%, but I had more than one person post in my thread with same results as me...and I just can't come to a clear understanding of why I'd be COMPLETELY non-responsive.
 
You should have posted a speedo alert, Just kidding. id like to comment on the last pic.....kinda looks bad with two guys shirtless posing with a rainbow in the backdrop lol...also, is that McLovin???? :toofunny:

Phera for me has taken about week 3 to fully kick in in the past but this time i started straight at 30mg and just started week 2 and its already working really well. I like to keep the phera dose as low as possible and generally with every other AAS because when you get up with phera you can start shedding and get some gyno. Keep it to the dose that works enough to keep gaining gradually without much sides....thats the name of the game.

What was your cycle experience again?
 
TEAR57 said:
Hmmm? Would a topical DHT blocker make sense? As far as family genetics I am very genetically predisposed so if there is any possible way to protect the follicles I would not waste any time. Thanks
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Subbed. Let us know if you shed hair.. Curious. I have two bottles at home.
 
pistonpump said:
no offense at all but i respect the medical background it can be very very beneficial but real world experience is good too. Not saying you dont have any or i what i say is right, im just saying. :cheers:
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yes both are good!

I dont see how taking liver support would "stress" the liver as you said but ALL things we take will affect it -- yes
Id just rather be cautious with my liver though and take some support.

We can argue this back and forth -- which I dont want to do cause I respect you and everyones opinion on here :-) but the bottom line Im sure we all can agree on is:

Bloodwork.

Thats the only way to know to how well the liver is functioning regardless if we take liver support or not.
 
TEAR57 said:
Well I worked at GNC for ... 3 days and in that time I came into a lot of liver support supplements and about a kilo of capped milk thistle. That is an interesting point though regarding the added stress on the liver??? Kind of a catch 22 perhaps. Thanks Piston
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Hes right-- anything you take is processed there so can be more taxing on the liver but as I wrote above,
the only way to know its helping (or not) is:


Bloodwork brother:-)
 
monsterbox said:
Whatever you are feeling right now is probably placebo, it takes at least a few days or more for phera to work compared to other DS.

not to burst your bubble, but I have the same batch and ran 30mg+ for the past 3 weeks with NOTHING. Complete failure, no pumps, no sweating, no lethargy, no hardness, Absolutely NO weight gain. Illl tell you what happend, I lost 3lbs of water from getting off creatine....thats all.

Just switched to M-drol yesterday....

Good luck, keep us posted...I'm very curious to see your results. I'm not saying the batch is bad, CEL rep told me it tested to 100%, but I had more than one person post in my thread with same results as me...and I just can't come to a clear understanding of why I'd be COMPLETELY non-responsive.
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Well shoot hopefully for my sake you just have a body that is unresponsive. I am glad to hear you spoke with the CEL rep though that gives me a little more hope...What did your diet look like? :donut: JK
 
TEAR57 said:
Well shoot hopefully for my sake you just have a body that is unresponsive. I am glad to hear you spoke with the CEL rep though that gives me a little more hope...What did your diet look like? :donut: JK
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thank god your kidding. I can't handle anymore of that! :burger::burger::burger:
 
pistonpump said:
You should have posted a speedo alert, Just kidding. id like to comment on the last pic.....kinda looks bad with two guys shirtless posing with a rainbow in the backdrop lol...also, is that McLovin???? :toofunny:

Phera for me has taken about week 3 to fully kick in in the past but this time i started straight at 30mg and just started week 2 and its already working really well. I like to keep the phera dose as low as possible and generally with every other AAS because when you get up with phera you can start shedding and get some gyno. Keep it to the dose that works enough to keep gaining gradually without much sides....thats the name of the game.

What was your cycle experience again?
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAA!!!! Speedo alert! That is incredible!! Yes I do understand your concern with my rainbow backdrop as well. HOWEVER as stated boldly above my pics you may see my waiver regarding the rainbows HAAHAHA McLovin!!!! Thats awesome that is actually Carcaya here on AM he is the one running the HAVOC log I mentioned earlier.
Ya with dosing I have considered moving up to 40 mgs in week three but that just depends on how well I am gaining and feel up to that point.

As far as cycle experience I have run Havoc and a little two week test run of 300mgs a week while cutting with clen a bit ago. Havoc was great I gained about 15 lbs lean and kept going into pct. Kept it all then lost my job and didnt eat and lost alot of it but i have brought most of it back in the last couple months.
 
So I look like I just went tanning? I would imagine due to increased blood flow? Anybody else experienced this while using phera compounds?
 
TEAR57 said:
So I look like I just went tanning? I would imagine due to increased blood flow? Anybody else experienced this while using phera compounds?
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check your blood pressure....mabye try some hawthorne berry if its too high....the phera spiked mine through the roof....my head looked like a cherry for the first week till i got the bp under control
 
Yeah becareful about the blood pressure part. My skin crawls when im on it. Im actually running a cycle right now. at 40mg. When i get worked up, mad or nervous, ny skin itches like crazy!! Oh also makes you really tired too.... I sleep about 12 or more hours daily...... including naps lol. But the gains are awsome! im only on the 2 week and im pumped son! this is the 2nd cycle of this stuff too!
 
mooch2321 said:
check your blood pressure....mabye try some hawthorne berry if its too high....the phera spiked mine through the roof....my head looked like a cherry for the first week till i got the bp under control
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Ya I actually started taking hawthorn a few weeks ago in preparation and my blood pressure is good and I feel fine I am just flushed in my chest and neck like I got a little too much sun:angryfire:
HAHA dude bloated cherry head that sounds wonderful.
 
madds87 said:
Yeah becareful about the blood pressure part. My skin crawls when im on it. Im actually running a cycle right now. at 40mg. When i get worked up, mad or nervous, ny skin itches like crazy!! Oh also makes you really tired too.... I sleep about 12 or more hours daily...... including naps lol. But the gains are awsome! im only on the 2 week and im pumped son! this is the 2nd cycle of this stuff too!
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I have most definitely noticed the tiredness I feel good but if I slow down at all I straight pass out. I suppose extra sleep is good at this point though
 
TEAR57 said:
I have most definitely noticed the tiredness I feel good but if I slow down at all I straight pass out. I suppose extra sleep is good at this point though
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it wouldnt hurt. but i just drink two cups of coffee one in morning and one lter in the day. lol. hey it helps. but the sleep doesnt hurt either. means your just going to recover more! just make sure to keep the carbs lower if your going to be resting more.
 
pistonpump said:
You should have posted a speedo alert, Just kidding. id like to comment on the last pic.....kinda looks bad with two guys shirtless posing with a rainbow in the backdrop lol...also, is that McLovin???? :toofunny:

LOL, that is McLovin!

That is unfortunate Monster about your experience with the phera, hopefully it is just a coincidence or exception. Tear is a BAMF in the gym, so even if the phera is a dud, he'll still be growing!
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Carcaya said:
Tear is a BAMF in the gym, so even if the phera is a dud, he'll still be growing!
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Word up buddy!!! Now we will just see if I can keep up with you and your bad ass self!!! :1244:

Thanks Carc keep shreddin!

madds87 said:
it wouldnt hurt. but i just drink two cups of coffee one in morning and one lter in the day. lol. hey it helps. but the sleep doesnt hurt either. means your just going to recover more! just make sure to keep the carbs lower if your going to be resting more.
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I will probably do something of this nature....how about 2 redlines in the morning and 1 in the afternoon instead of the coffee? or maybe I will just stab my self in the chest with a barbell lol What is funny is that I have actually been increasing my carbs before sleeping and my glycogen storage threshold seems to be much higher right now so I have an incredible amount of endurance in the gym and it is incredible! I am putting on some fat but not too concerned about that at this point.



mooch2321 said:
a hundred mgs of dhea am/pm will help with the lethargy
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I definitely noticed dhea being helpful while I was running havoc but I was unsure if it would be effective with phera? I will give it a run though especially considering I have two lifetimes worth left over.
Do you know what the mechanism the dhea uses to alleviate lethargy?
 
Day 2
Again today was 30 mgs and will stay that way until possibly week 3

Alright so I am eating like a freak so I can validate doing 2 a days 2 days in a row:puppy_dog_eyes:........maybe not. Well either way this morning was chest and shoulders and it was a decent work out other than the fact that I think my left peck may have been tearing (excuse the pun) a bit? I was using the smith machine doing half of the eccentric portion chest press. I was pushing 225 which did not really feel like a whole lot but perhaps my chest was a bit to torn as it was? I dont know... I stopped and I am fine but still interesting.
I am definitely pumping up very quickly and seem to be maintaining that pump for a bit longer than usual as well.

My evening workout was abs and arms and it was also a wonderful experience. Went light on abs so I didnt crap myself seriously it is kind of frustrating me how long it is taking for my body to get used to the increased calories I really was going to just let my bowels loose while doing abs on the pilate machine..transformer...whatever... anyhow that is another story all together. Feeling well healing very quickly and liking compound/placebo thus far. Great suggestions once again so thank you everybody!!!

This is unrelated but I have a friend who is 5'7" and 175 mostly "upper body kinda guy", he is well built except for the fact that his right side of his body grows quite noticeably more than his left? He works them out the same amount I mean he is an "upper body guy", not "right side of the body guy".

Has anyone ever heard of such a thing???
 
TEAR57 said:
I definitely noticed dhea being helpful while I was running havoc but I was unsure if it would be effective with phera? I will give it a run though especially considering I have two lifetimes worth left over.
Do you know what the mechanism the dhea uses to alleviate lethargy?
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well with the old prebanned stuff, things like m1t would cause major lethargy, compounds like 4ad were suggested to be used to help this. 4ad if you didnt know is a ph to testosterone. DHEA pretty much does the same but with my understanding it converts to the full hormonal panel to a lesser degree. DHEA will also increase estrogen levels as well. Be careful with using too much stims oncycle, they will only add to the BP problems. Arginine and other hemodilators (N.O supps) will help low BP by increasing blood flow.
 
I was running 40 last week of the original Phera and i swear i could have workout and just slept the rest of the day. I didn't think about Dhea till this past weekend and have since dropped down to 20 for my final week of phera with 10mg Mdrol and the lethargy is not near as bad.
 
Dude 30mg of the original PP was alot for me, it was too much for me at the time but now you see everyone doing 30mg like its a low dose. Makes you wonder...
 
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