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REEKING P-Plex!!

Oh, also noticed a slight increase in BP. 2 weeks ago it was 140/88. Doc checked it monday and it was 140/100 so its prehypertension. The worst on my BP has been EQ which was 170/110, **** that stuff. Good thing is I'm on amild BP med called coreg and it works great I already have a decent dropin BP just after 2 days and no more ****ing headaches, god they suck. Watch your BP. Also have a diuretic called hydrochlorothyzide on hand which reduces bloat and reduces HBP.

what was your dose and how long(for eq).
 
what was your dose and how long(for eq).
EQ from my exp needs to be run atleast 14 weeks I prefer 20 weeks. I got signs of HBP late in the cycle and I was running 600mgsEW which everyone told me that I needed. Well I dropped the dose to 400 and it worked just as good as 600 and my BP dropped significantly. But I will tell you what because EQ is such a long estered and lasting drug it took 3 weeks to get the higher doses down and bring BP to normal levels and I went through hell and missed a lot of workouts. I still havent done another cycle with EQ in it. I have bottles sitting here too, maybe again dont know
 
my expirement is only 200 a week. its going to be about 20 weeks. i really think 600 is a bit much.i think people tend to use more than is really needed.
 
EQ from my exp needs to be run atleast 14 weeks I prefer 20 weeks. I got signs of HBP late in the cycle and I was running 600mgsEW which everyone told me that I needed. Well I dropped the dose to 400 and it worked just as good as 600 and my BP dropped significantly. But I will tell you what because EQ is such a long estered and lasting drug it took 3 weeks to get the higher doses down and bring BP to normal levels and I went through hell and missed a lot of workouts. I still havent done another cycle with EQ in it. I have bottles sitting here too, maybe again dont know

A really great cycle for people that have some exp under their belts is this:

Test@750EW (1-18)
EQ@450EW (1-16)
Deca@450 (1-16)
Anavar@80mgs (1-10)...remember though iM on TRT so recovery and PCT isnt an issue for me so may be harder to recover. I personally run all the compounds 20 weeks minus the Var and then taper back into TRT for awhile. I'm gonna start taking longer breaks in between cycles though to gove my body sufficinet rest bec whether your on TRT or not you need to give your body a break.

On aside note I know guys who use outrageous amounts of EQ (800-1gEW) I find it crazy but whatever and they have no BP issues. Once again though it all boils down to the fact that everyone will respond differently to these compounds you just have to know your limits and know what you can handle and believe me your body will give you warning signs.
 
my expirement is only 200 a week. its going to be about 20 weeks. i really think 600 is a bit much.i think people tend to use more than is really needed.
I really dont know that you will see much with 200 cause it is a weak anabolic and not very androgenic. I know some papers may peg it higher than Test as far as anabolic goes but paper and reality are two different things. I agree people are stuck on the number 600 for EQ, unless you are well over 250 I dont think 600mgsEW is neccessary. If I were you, I would defintely go with 20 weeks and bump it atleast to 300 and I would run some test with it cause you might not have a very good sex drive. I always use even a TRT dose of Test. You also may want to keep Cialis and Proviron on hand
 
my expirement is only 200 a week. its going to be about 20 weeks. i really think 600 is a bit much.i think people tend to use more than is really needed.
You know what is crazy I actually feel better and stronger when on TRT doses a lot of the times the only problem is that I dont grow during this phase.
 
Is it me or are u guys hijacking this dude's thread.

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Alright today sucked I stayed at my gramps house and got up late and didnt get any real food until about 1 o clock so I just deflated all day. Worked out legs and abs and it was a surprisingly good work out.

:chick:HOWEVER half way through my workout i scratched my chest and my nipples screamed in pain little nipple squeals. I did shave today so I am wondering if perhaps my nips were particularly dry from aftershave. I did dose my last two pills within about 3 and a half hours of eachother and I was wondering if that may have instigated the sensative nips? But as I am writing this I looked down and pressed on my nips and they appear to have some lactation.
I am not very sure what do do at this point until I get some responses I will just going to stick it out so please respond with suggestions. I have Nolva and some left over Novadex xt (ATD)
7 sets incline leg press with 7 plates (14)
4 sets hamstring curl 110 lbs
4 sets dumbell squats 55s with emphasis on glutes
9 sets calf press with leg press 360lbs 3 sets neutral 3 sets turned out 3 sets turned in

5 various ab exercises 3 sets each


i wouldnt do anything about the lactation yet if its only a tiny bit. i had some on phera and superdrol. when i squeezed my nips it looked like a tiny bit of fluid. it looked like a condensation from a glass only on the tip of my nipple. all that sorted out in pct. i had no glandular enlargment from phera. so far all aas makes the nipples sensitive. changes the texture a bit. it will go away after the cycle. a tiny bit lactation is nothing to worry about imo. i may be wrong but nolva(Tamoxifen citrate) isnt effective for lactation problems but an AI will be more effective for this. hopefully someone will clear this up...its been a while.

sorry for the hijack with the test n eq stuff.
 
Alright today sucked I stayed at my gramps house and got up late and didnt get any real food until about 1 o clock so I just deflated all day. Worked out legs and abs and it was a surprisingly good work out.

:chick:HOWEVER half way through my workout i scratched my chest and my nipples screamed in pain little nipple squeals. I did shave today so I am wondering if perhaps my nips were particularly dry from aftershave. I did dose my last two pills within about 3 and a half hours of eachother and I was wondering if that may have instigated the sensative nips? But as I am writing this I looked down and pressed on my nips and they appear to have some lactation.
I am not very sure what do do at this point until I get some responses I will just going to stick it out so please respond with suggestions. I have Nolva and some left over Novadex xt (ATD)
7 sets incline leg press with 7 plates (14)
4 sets hamstring curl 110 lbs
4 sets dumbell squats 55s with emphasis on glutes
9 sets calf press with leg press 360lbs 3 sets neutral 3 sets turned out 3 sets turned in

5 various ab exercises 3 sets each
I would go with letro its the strongest AI and will eliminate the estrogen from the body. I would run it with Nolva at 20mgs until this has subsided. I never had sore nips from anything but a lot of the bros that I know recommend this.
 
I would go with letro its the strongest AI and will eliminate the estrogen from the body. I would run it with Nolva at 20mgs until this has subsided. I never had sore nips from anything but a lot of the bros that I know recommend this.
Also dont even both with that OTC crap in this situatuion you just dont want to risk it. Get it under control cause if it gets bad and out of control and you get lumps or bitch tits, youre only option then will be surgery. You can get letro and other AIs along with Nolva at research companies.
 
:hijacked::hijacked::hijacked:!!!!!!!!!!!


No worries fellas it happens. Thanks Nate and Piston for noticing!!!!
 
Update
nothing new really to speak of.
Food has been off the last couple days but I have it back in gear now.
Nipples are good and manly at the moment.
strength still the same but vascularity seems to have increased
Weight still 205
I will discontinue formal updates unless something drastic or worth mentioning happens. Thanks again everybody!!!
 
Update
nothing new really to speak of.
Food has been off the last couple days but I have it back in gear now.
Nipples are good and manly at the moment.
strength still the same but vascularity seems to have increased
Weight still 205
I will discontinue formal updates unless something drastic or worth mentioning happens. Thanks again everybody!!!


Looking to see if there is any excessive hair shedding and also your weight gain.
 
I would go with letro its the strongest AI and will eliminate the estrogen from the body. I would run it with Nolva at 20mgs until this has subsided. I never had sore nips from anything but a lot of the bros that I know recommend this.
Bro, I just gave you SOLID advice here! Take it for what its worth. ANd yeah sorry for getting a little off track but throughout this thread I have responded several times.
 
Bro, I just gave you SOLID advice here! Take it for what its worth. ANd yeah sorry for getting a little off track but throughout this thread I have responded several times.

I know dude dont trip. I appreciate your feedback and I dont really care about the hijacking. Thanks for the suggestions.
 
Looking to see if there is any excessive hair shedding and also your weight gain.

Nope man no shedding to speak of at this point. I have kept my eye open for it specifically while showering and my hair is as thick and lush as it normally is haha. I am one greasy mofo right now though it sucks.
 
he said 12 lbs in 7 days.

12 pounds in a week is a sure fire sign that a person is getting fat. You can expect to put on a lean 12 pounds in 4 weeks but to accomplish this in 7 days leads one to speculate the majority of the weight is fat.

The see food diet is never recommended if you are serious about improving your body. Just because your taking a potent oral steroid doesn't give you license to eat yourself insane, this is a newbie mistake.
 
I know dude dont trip. I appreciate your feedback and I dont really care about the hijacking. Thanks for the suggestions.
Nah, Im not upset. I would like to steer you in the right direction though. Letro is the strongest AI and I would run the Nolva with it. Gyno surgery would suck! Good luck man
 
12 pounds in a week is a sure fire sign that a person is getting fat. You can expect to put on a lean 12 pounds in 4 weeks but to accomplish this in 7 days leads one to speculate the majority of the weight is fat.

The see food diet is never recommended if you are serious about improving your body. Just because your taking a potent oral steroid doesn't give you license to eat yourself insane, this is a newbie mistake.

Even if you use AAS and you gain 20 pounds in 3 months, a good perecntage will be fat, thats how bulking works, even lean bulking will gain you some fat. Phera is a wet bulking compound so this is to be expected. Now, if you were using cutting compounds and diet was spot on, then yeah, gains would be less but better quality hence:lean muscle gains. Anavar accomplishes this nicely of course with Prop and even some Tren or mast. Its all about what you want to accomplish. If he is a newbie he is bound to make mistakes, **** I still make mistakes thats how we learn. Even when I bulk and I eat pretty much whatever I dont gain a ton of fat, I have a very fast metabolism, so genetics play a role as well.
 
12 pounds in a week is a sure fire sign that a person is getting fat. You can expect to put on a lean 12 pounds in 4 weeks but to accomplish this in 7 days leads one to speculate the majority of the weight is fat.

The see food diet is never recommended if you are serious about improving your body. Just because your taking a potent oral steroid doesn't give you license to eat yourself insane, this is a newbie mistake.

12 lbs in 1 week is a sure fire sign that I am a more efficient human being than you.
Also one might recommend avoiding speculation before making statements that may be accurate but do not have any relevance to said situation. I was a nutrition and exercise consultant so is it possible that I may know what and how to eat when bulking? I do not have a specific food plan laid out however I do decide the specifics on everything I choose to eat and when I eat it. To assume that I have licensed myself to eat myself insane is surely a newbie mistake.
 
My current stats are 193 pounds and approximately 20% BF. I usually maintain between 10-12% BF without any effort but have difficulty sustaining <10% BF for more than a matter of weeks.
If anybody has any feedback on my diet to share I am more than happy to discuss.
Please refrain from posting....always
 
12 lbs in 1 week is a sure fire sign that I am a more efficient human being than you.
Also one might recommend avoiding speculation before making statements that may be accurate but do not have any relevance to said situation. I was a nutrition and exercise consultant so is it possible that I may know what and how to eat when bulking? I do not have a specific food plan laid out however I do decide the specifics on everything I choose to eat and when I eat it. To assume that I have licensed myself to eat myself insane is surely a newbie mistake.
Space is wrong...the point of bulking is to eat like a muther****er!!If you wanna cut well thats a whole different ballgame.
 
12 pounds in a week is a sure fire sign that a person is getting fat. You can expect to put on a lean 12 pounds in 4 weeks but to accomplish this in 7 days leads one to speculate the majority of the weight is fat.

The see food diet is never recommended if you are serious about improving your body. Just because your taking a potent oral steroid doesn't give you license to eat yourself insane, this is a newbie mistake.
I personally like the see food diet. Hell, and I still stay lean.Like I said genetics plays big role in how u gain fat or muscle. I have always been a hardgainer and over the years I have gotten up to 235, right now I'm about at 230 and about 13 to 14 percentBF which isnt bad considering I go by the see food diet, ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!
 
I personally like the see food diet. Hell, and I still stay lean.Like I said genetics plays big role in how u gain fat or muscle. I have always been a hardgainer and over the years I have gotten up to 235, right now I'm about at 230 and about 13 to 14 percentBF which isnt bad considering I go by the see food diet, ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!
Also if you have ever seen the pros in the offseason they are ****ing big, and yes some fat and thats where they get their size, then they cut and all that. I actually try to lean bulk but certain foods have helped push me past sticking points. Food is the most anabolic substance their is. I eat a lot of red meats, some chicken, mexican food, shakes with a ton a **** in it and list goes on. You do what you got to do to reach your goals
 
Please refrain from posting....always

The reason my BF is so high is because I had an accident and broke my 4th and 5th cervical vertebrae. I had to take a year off training and I never thought I would train hard again.

If you can't take constructive criticism from me you can ask anybody what 12 pounds gained in 1 week is and they will tell you it's fat.
 
The reason my BF is so high is because I had an accident and broke my 4th and 5th cervical vertebrae. I had to take a year off training and I never thought I would train hard again.

If you can't take constructive criticism from me you can ask anybody what 12 pounds gained in 1 week is and they will tell you it's fat.
I do agree that when gains come quick it is a high percentage of fat in there. I dont think it matters to him bec he is bulking and the point of an all out bulk is to point on weight. Even when guys run cycles with AAS and gain 20 -25 pounds usually this is their first cycle, then do gain a lot of fat, but they are happy man because they are getting bigger, they arent doing a contest they are just so shocked at how much they weigh. Me, personally now that its been almost 4 years I dont even look at the scale because its my enemy and in fact, I broke my last one about 1yr ago. I try to lean bulk most of the time, unless I have been real sick and I just want to throw on mass. I also do cutting cycles now and then when I'm trying to lean out and be more defined. Even at my highest point bulking and this was eating everything and not doing cardio ( which I do religiously now) my highest BF was 16.7% but a lot has to do with genetics. I dont gain muscle that quick but when I do its usually lean muscle gains that are quality. Even though I eat certain things that arent the greatest, I always strive for 500 grams of protein and 500 grams of carbs which both are equally important in my quest to put on size and I also eat some good fats. Like I mentioned, if I didnt eat certain foods that some may cringe at, I wouldnt have reached my size. So, no I'm not disputing some of the claims that you make but I think he is just happy to be gaining and responding to the compound in the manner that he is, just my 2 pennies bro!! *Once again everyone has different goals and throughout theor BB exop things change and they continue to change based on what they are striving to achieve at that point in time* Good luck to all of you in your goals man.
 
The reason my BF is so high is because I had an accident and broke my 4th and 5th cervical vertebrae. I had to take a year off training and I never thought I would train hard again.

If you can't take constructive criticism from me you can ask anybody what 12 pounds gained in 1 week is and they will tell you it's fat.

The reason your body fat is high is because you did not eat the amount of calories that matched your activity level not because you got in an accident.

I am all up for constructive criticism that is why I post here. If you had asked a question about my diet and I replied with "I eat the see food diet", and you said "I recommend not doing that maybe you should try this" that would have been constructive.
When I ran Havoc my gains were very slow until week three at which time I put on nearly all of the 15 lbs of lbm that I put on for that cycle.
Under normal circumstances without any outside influence you would be absolutely correct 12 lbs gained in one week is very like going to be almost completely fat. I have gained a little bit of fat but really not enough to merit mentioning. If you have suggestions based on science/experience and not emotion that you think may be helpful please chime in. Good luck with your no cheat log.
 
Space is wrong...the point of bulking is to eat like a muther****er!!:hammer:

I completely agree! When I am bulking 90% of the food I eat is still very clean the other 10% is comprised of...****. Extra calories though. Fat is not really a concern with how active I am even if I eat completely filthy I will not get much past 13% bf TOPS.
 
Day 13
Weight 210
My testes have put on a little size? Libido is just fine and balls are not tender or anything.
Nipples continuing to stay dry. I have not dosed the nolva since the day I had the lactation. I am curious if it is possible that I had severely greasy nipples and that is what I squeezed out of them?
Acne is not much worse than it has been but still there. The suggestion to use my face wash on my back has worked wonders though.

I went to a friends wedding reception last night and spoke with alot of people that live in my neighborhood and alot of them made comments about how I had "Trippled in size in the last 3 weeks", it was nice to hear and a reinforcement to know that what I am doing is working noticeably.

My arms have put absolutely no fat on them at all and my shirts are beginning to constrict blood flow. So overall size has definitely increased.

Strength seems to be picking up as well. Triangle press downs I typically press between the 14th and 16th mark. 16th mark with a bit of struggle. Today I repped 20 at 16 without breaking a sweat. I am getting the feeling I got while on Havoc where everything seems light.

Someone recommended an incredible shake on Carcayas thread and I have turned it (slightly altered) into my breakfast and it is allowing me to consume a wonderful amount of calories very easily. Making breakfast very easy.

Overview So Far
1-10

Sides 3-Oily skin has been my most apparent side other than possible lactation. Lethargy minimal and absolutely no hair loss.

Strength 3-Only because of todays workout before today I would have said maybe 2. But as many people have experienced week 3 is the real strength increasing week so we will see.

Mass 7- I just weighed in at 210 this is with a very large amount of glycogen stored up right now. That is a total (Fat and lean) 14 lbs increased in 2 weeks. I havent measured for a couple days but my last measurement had me 11.9%bf So most of my increase is in fact lean at this point.


Pumps 6- Definitely pumping up very quickly and very hard. I look very soft while pumped but hard as a rock.

Appetite/metabolism 8- I have been able to increase my food intake by about 800-1000 calorie per day with limited fat deposition. I am always hungry too.

Overall rating halfway through 6
Looking forward to this coming week as it seems as though as a general concencus is that week three is when the most amount of change occurs. Thanks everybody for your great feedback.
 
Day 13
Weight 210
My testes have put on a little size? Libido is just fine and balls are not tender or anything.
Nipples continuing to stay dry. I have not dosed the nolva since the day I had the lactation. I am curious if it is possible that I had severely greasy nipples and that is what I squeezed out of them?
Acne is not much worse than it has been but still there. The suggestion to use my face wash on my back has worked wonders though.

I went to a friends wedding reception last night and spoke with alot of people that live in my neighborhood and alot of them made comments about how I had "Trippled in size in the last 3 weeks", it was nice to hear and a reinforcement to know that what I am doing is working noticeably.

My arms have put absolutely no fat on them at all and my shirts are beginning to constrict blood flow. So overall size has definitely increased.

Strength seems to be picking up as well. Triangle press downs I typically press between the 14th and 16th mark. 16th mark with a bit of struggle. Today I repped 20 at 16 without breaking a sweat. I am getting the feeling I got while on Havoc where everything seems light.

Someone recommended an incredible shake on Carcayas thread and I have turned it (slightly altered) into my breakfast and it is allowing me to consume a wonderful amount of calories very easily. Making breakfast very easy.

Overview So Far
1-10

Sides 3-Oily skin has been my most apparent side other than possible lactation. Lethargy minimal and absolutely no hair loss.

Strength 3-Only because of todays workout before today I would have said maybe 2. But as many people have experienced week 3 is the real strength increasing week so we will see.

Mass 7- I just weighed in at 210 this is with a very large amount of glycogen stored up right now. That is a total (Fat and lean) 14 lbs increased in 2 weeks. I havent measured for a couple days but my last measurement had me 11.9%bf So most of my increase is in fact lean at this point.


Pumps 6- Definitely pumping up very quickly and very hard. I look very soft while pumped but hard as a rock.

Appetite/metabolism 8- I have been able to increase my food intake by about 800-1000 calorie per day with limited fat deposition. I am always hungry too.

Overall rating halfway through 6
Looking forward to this coming week as it seems as though as a general concencus is that week three is when the most amount of change occurs. Thanks everybody for your great feedback.
Wow, you got an increase in your ball size. Mine are always shrunk cause I'm always on either cruising or cycling. That is weird. The only way that I get my balls back is HCg or Clomid and personally I dont really care. I'm married so I dont date and I dont have to explain this to every new chick I meet, I think that may be embarrassing. i always thought that testes are overated they just get in the way.lol. As long as my pee pee dont shrink then its all good. I know this is funny but having small balls gives the appearance of a larger cock!

Yeah, I concur this stuff really makes me eat just like EQ and I dont gain any fat, I'm not bloated, its weird I keep wanting to eat all the time. This alone would make me want to run it again, as it has been an appetite stimulant for thus far. I honestly rate it right there with EQ. I hear others say it messes with their appetite and their not hungry, just goes to show how differently we respond to compounds. It seems like we respond pretty similiar as I can eat pratically anything and I dont go over 14-15%BF and I'm normally at 12-13%. Now when I'm on Dbol I gotta be careful that stuff makes me hold a ton of water.
 
Even though I eat certain things that arent the greatest, I always strive for 500 grams of protein and 500 grams of carbs which both are equally important in my quest to put on size and I also eat some good fats.

Wow dude. Those are impressive numbers to eat! You must be in hard gain city! Kudos on your size.
 
Day 13

I went to a friends wedding reception last night and spoke with alot of people that live in my neighborhood and alot of them made comments about how I had "Trippled in size in the last 3 weeks", it was nice to hear and a reinforcement to know that what I am doing is working noticeably.

Those were all the hot moms in the neighborhood, weren't they? They winked at you too, right?:boobies:

Keep it up Tear!!!
 
Wow, you got an increase in your ball size. Mine are always shrunk cause I'm always on either cruising or cycling. That is weird. The only way that I get my balls back is HCg or Clomid and personally I dont really care. I'm married so I dont date and I dont have to explain this to every new chick I meet, I think that may be embarrassing. i always thought that testes are overated they just get in the way.lol. As long as my pee pee dont shrink then its all good. I know this is funny but having small balls gives the appearance of a larger cock!

Yeah, I concur this stuff really makes me eat just like EQ and I dont gain any fat, I'm not bloated, its weird I keep wanting to eat all the time. This alone would make me want to run it again, as it has been an appetite stimulant for thus far. I honestly rate it right there with EQ. I hear others say it messes with their appetite and their not hungry, just goes to show how differently we respond to compounds. It seems like we respond pretty similiar as I can eat pratically anything and I dont go over 14-15%BF and I'm normally at 12-13%. Now when I'm on Dbol I gotta be careful that stuff makes me hold a ton of water.

Dude anything to make my **** look bigger!!!! haha
 
Day 13
Weight 210
My testes have put on a little size? Libido is just fine and balls are not tender or anything.
Nipples continuing to stay dry. I have not dosed the nolva since the day I had the lactation. I am curious if it is possible that I had severely greasy nipples and that is what I squeezed out of them?
Acne is not much worse than it has been but still there. The suggestion to use my face wash on my back has worked wonders though.

I went to a friends wedding reception last night and spoke with alot of people that live in my neighborhood and alot of them made comments about how I had "Trippled in size in the last 3 weeks", it was nice to hear and a reinforcement to know that what I am doing is working noticeably.

My arms have put absolutely no fat on them at all and my shirts are beginning to constrict blood flow. So overall size has definitely increased.

Strength seems to be picking up as well. Triangle press downs I typically press between the 14th and 16th mark. 16th mark with a bit of struggle. Today I repped 20 at 16 without breaking a sweat. I am getting the feeling I got while on Havoc where everything seems light.

Someone recommended an incredible shake on Carcayas thread and I have turned it (slightly altered) into my breakfast and it is allowing me to consume a wonderful amount of calories very easily. Making breakfast very easy.

Overview So Far
1-10

Sides 3-Oily skin has been my most apparent side other than possible lactation. Lethargy minimal and absolutely no hair loss.

Strength 3-Only because of todays workout before today I would have said maybe 2. But as many people have experienced week 3 is the real strength increasing week so we will see.

Mass 7- I just weighed in at 210 this is with a very large amount of glycogen stored up right now. That is a total (Fat and lean) 14 lbs increased in 2 weeks. I havent measured for a couple days but my last measurement had me 11.9%bf So most of my increase is in fact lean at this point.


Pumps 6- Definitely pumping up very quickly and very hard. I look very soft while pumped but hard as a rock.

Appetite/metabolism 8- I have been able to increase my food intake by about 800-1000 calorie per day with limited fat deposition. I am always hungry too.

Overall rating halfway through 6
Looking forward to this coming week as it seems as though as a general concencus is that week three is when the most amount of change occurs. Thanks everybody for your great feedback.


Awesome..Keep it up.. Thanks for commenting on hair loss.
 
Just had an incredible Chest and Bicep work out!!!! Strength is beginning to increase.

I have been pressing 80s on decline db press and hopped up to 90s today.

Pumped as a mofo!!! I think 40 mgs is a bit closer to what my body is requiring at this point cause I feel alot more focus and energy now.
Vascularity is definitely picking up quite a bit. My left shoulder has had visible veinage in it before but not my right now my right is visible as are a ton on my traps!! Its awesome!!!
 
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