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Recent Test Results for DS Craze

And I still have yet to try Craze.
 
Grape Craze tastes like drugs to me. I use it for cram sessions instead of training.

I find it to be more effective and I experience less sides and a minimized crash when compared to 1,3 dmaa. So I dunno what they're doing, but they better be allowed by regulatory bodies to continue!
 
jeez - what a line-up on that test list.....looking to party or workout? At least I know that if I start craving human flesh or wanting to go to raves, it wasn't the Craze to blame.....
 
Looks like it's just caffeine and nothing else that works.*

I keed, I keed.
 
Strong caffein lol

Better stack it with some focus XT!
 
AutoKal47 said:
Oh boy, yessss!!!

so, does it mean people was just talking a lot of sh#t?
If so I'm very happy for DS, never stopped using Craze and
I wouldn't change it with anything else that's out there as prewo
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Honestly I don't know what this means. PA found some strange things (don't feel like digging through the old thread) and a lawsuit came out. How difficult would it be for a company to change something with a new batch after all the negative stuff was being thrown around? Why are the test results coming out so long after the accusations? Maybe it's standard. I have no idea and I'm by no means saying that is what happened.

I'm just not sure why we have different results on a product unless something about the testing is off that I don't understand.

A second lawsuit is being filed in New Jersey on similar grounds this week naming DS, a distributor and several retailers. Additionally WADA is working closely with the FDA office of criminal investigations after several companies submitted their GCMS identification findings to the organization and claimed Craze will further tarnish the industry with what seems poised to become the next designer stimulant nightmare.
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Something just doesn't jive in all of this and I don't think this necessarily puts us any closer to really knowing. Probably enough to put my mind at ease enough to finally give this a go however! I've always been a fan of DS and had great runs with many of their supplements.
 
Geoforce said:
Honestly I don't know what this means. PA found some strange things (don't feel like digging through the old thread) and a lawsuit came out. How difficult would it be for a company to change something with a new batch after all the negative stuff was being thrown around? Why are the test results coming out so long after the accusations? Maybe it's standard. I have no idea and I'm by no means saying that is what happened.

I'm just not sure why we have different results on a product unless something about the testing is off that I don't understand.



Something just doesn't jive in all of this and I don't think this necessarily puts us any closer to really knowing. Probably enough to put my mind at ease enough to finally give this a go however! I've always been a fan of DS and had great runs with many of their supplements.
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Actually that isnt how it happened at all. A lawsuit from a shakedown artist in CA came out. We are defending ourselves and the fighting the ridiculous suit. Then someone sent PA a sample which was claimed to be Craze. PA claimed to have tested something which has no chain of custody, not a sealed tub etc etc etc. NOT THE REVERSE. PA claimed Craze contained only 2 things, N-Benzyl PEA and Diethyl PEA. NO caffeine, no creatine etc.

PA didnt test Craze. Not hard to figure out.

As we have said from the very beginning, ALL lots of Craze have been tested by MULTIPLE FDA /DEA certified labs. Craze has never contained N-Benzyl PEA and it has always contained caffeine. The other "lawsuit" does not exist, has never existed and was posted by some shill trying to stir things up.
 
Sldge said:
Actually that isnt how it happened at all. A lawsuit from a shakedown artist in CA came out. We are defending ourselves and the fighting the ridiculous suit. Then someone sent PA a sample which was claimed to be Craze. PA claimed to have tested something which has no chain of custody, not a sealed tub etc etc etc. NOT THE REVERSE. PA claimed Craze contained only 2 things, N-Benzyl PEA and Diethyl PEA. NO caffeine, no creatine etc.

PA didnt test Craze. Not hard to figure out.

As we have said from the very beginning, ALL lots of Craze have been tested by MULTIPLE FDA /DEA certified labs. Craze has never contained N-Benzyl PEA and it has always contained caffeine. The other "lawsuit" does not exist, has never existed and was posted by some shill trying to stir things up.
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Well it's good to hear from you guys with some more clarification. We had about 60 some odd pages of trying to figure things out on our own, but it's a lot better to hear it from DS finally.
 
Geoforce said:
Well it's good to hear from you guys with some more clarification. We had about 60 some odd pages of trying to figure things out on our own, but it's a lot better to hear it from DS finally.
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Ahh the true meaning of band of brothers. I loved reading and being a part of that thread.
 
Geoforce said:
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Lmao. Nice. I highly doubt this was all a publicity stunt. Something is/was in it. The samples were not craze. For all we know DS could have put bullsh1tadrol and 19-nor-maltodextrin and caffeine in a bottle labeled craze and said here ya go here's your sample. Doesn't matter to me cuz I love the stuff
 
Jim2542 said:
It just says more than 10 milligrams per gram.....
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My bad, I was confused and thought it was around 10mg/g. Making it about 58 mg caffeine/scoop, but with that clarification I guess the caffeine is closer to what I thought (around 80mg/scp I heard).
 
Sldge said:
PA didnt test Craze. Not hard to figure out.
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Do you think he didn't test anything, or that he thought he was testing Craze? If you mean the latter, I agree that the presence of only those 2 compounds raises a red flag, but neuron/madchemist is bar none one of the most honest people I know and I am certain he would not send PA a fake sample. Any idea what could have happened?
 
I have a few lot # of craze; those before and after TMG or CM listed 1st on label

current one I have with me (as I am travelling) is #1201378 exp 01/15, TMG is listed as 1st ingredient

curious if all batches of craze released previously will test the same
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Do you think he didn't test anything, or that he thought he was testing Craze? If you mean the latter, I agree that the presence of only those 2 compounds raises a red flag, but neuron/madchemist is bar none one of the most honest people I know and I am certain he would not send PA a fake sample. Any idea what could have happened?
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I have a few SEALED batches of craze, so any add or removal of ingredient(s) in craze should be noticed; at the moment though I am travelling
 
Sldge said:
Actually that isnt how it happened at all. A lawsuit from a shakedown artist in CA came out. We are defending ourselves and the fighting the ridiculous suit. Then someone sent PA a sample which was claimed to be Craze. PA claimed to have tested something which has no chain of custody, not a sealed tub etc etc etc. NOT THE REVERSE. PA claimed Craze contained only 2 things, N-Benzyl PEA and Diethyl PEA. NO caffeine, no creatine etc.
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Not quite Matt. Tub was sealed. I never claimed it only contained two things either. Many of the things on the label would not be seen on the GC/MS.

I dont want to talk about Craze anymore but its important that you report the things i said accurately.

I also tested a second bottle of craze that was obtained direct from retailer but i will not report the results, as I received your certified letter from your attorneys and this is not worth me getting sued over
 
Yeah, I figured DS was sending letters from lawyer to shut people up like PA and guy on bb.com. Threaten everyone whose test comes out different and then post their own results would be an interesting tactic. Is lawsuit dismissed?
 
Patrick Arnold said:
Not quite Matt. Tub was sealed. I never claimed it only contained two things either. Many of the things on the label would not be seen on the GC/MS.

I dont want to talk about Craze anymore but its important that you report the things i said accurately.

I also tested a second bottle of craze that was obtained direct from retailer but i will not report the results, as I received your certified letter from your attorneys and this is not worth me getting sued over
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Sorry to hear Pat.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Do you think he didn't test anything, or that he thought he was testing Craze? If you mean the latter, I agree that the presence of only those 2 compounds raises a red flag, but neuron/madchemist is bar none one of the most honest people I know and I am certain he would not send PA a fake sample. Any idea what could have happened?
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I completely agree on neuron. Also, PA said he didn't test for everything
 
I like comments that it must just be caffiene that makes Craze so great. I have no clue if true, but I have taken different size doses if caffiene in many PWOs and never experienced the same effect. Must be some awesome new generic strand of super awesome caffeine or just a whopping huge dose.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
Not quite Matt. Tub was sealed. I never claimed it only contained two things either. Many of the things on the label would not be seen on the GC/MS.

I dont want to talk about Craze anymore but its important that you report the things i said accurately.

I also tested a second bottle of craze that was obtained direct from retailer but i will not report the results, as I received your certified letter from your attorneys and this is not worth me getting sued over
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#BBOOOOMMM#

VH1 behind the supplements
 
"I also tested a second bottle of craze that was obtained direct from retailer but i will not report the results, as I received your certified letter from your attorneys and this is not worth me getting sued over"

So DS is taking legal action to prevent independent test results INSTEAD of promoting them???

DS clearly has something to hide.

flame on, but its pretty damn obvious.
 
StangBanger said:
"I also tested a second bottle of craze that was obtained direct from retailer but i will not report the results, as I received your certified letter from your attorneys and this is not worth me getting sued over"

So DS is taking legal action to prevent independent test results INSTEAD of promoting them???

DS clearly has something to hide.

flame on, but its pretty damn obvious.
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I am not quite independent as I represent a competing entity I suppose
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Do you think he didn't test anything, or that he thought he was testing Craze? If you mean the latter, I agree that the presence of only those 2 compounds raises a red flag, but neuron/madchemist is bar none one of the most honest people I know and I am certain he would not send PA a fake sample. Any idea what could have happened?
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Second Madchemist on here is pretty brutally honest on here and has usually brought good info to the boards.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
I am not quite independent as I represent a competing entity I suppose
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You aren't independent at all.

dinot1985 said:
This just does not add up. Cahill posts that all lots of Craze get tested.

"It was a lab test not a COA, done by an FDA approved lab based in the US. All lots of Craze have been tested against a standard for N-Benzyl-PEA. N-Benzyl is not present in any lots of Craze."

Then he says this

"Prior to PA having claimed to have tested it and found BenzylPEA there was no reason for us to test for BenzylPEA. It isnt a controlled substance and isnt in Craze. Therefor any test which looks for BenzylPEA MUST be after PA claimed to have found it."

Over on bb.com they keep saying that Pat tested a baggie and not from a sealed tub. going the chain of custody defense.

If everything is ok, why silence PA with legal action?
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All lots have been tested for BenzylPEA after PA claimed to have found it. The labs already had all of the lots and we had them retest for the Benzyl (they had already done all of the other testing). There is no BenzylPEA in Craze. In our continued testing (more Craze has been produced since March) more lots were sent to the labs. The test that I posted has all of the information in a single place, on a sealed tub of Craze. By all means keep grasping for straws though.

PA has no chain of custody, is a competitor and decided to libel us, thats the reason for legal action.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Do you think he didn't test anything, or that he thought he was testing Craze? If you mean the latter, I agree that the presence of only those 2 compounds raises a red flag, but neuron/madchemist is bar none one of the most honest people I know and I am certain he would not send PA a fake sample. Any idea what could have happened?
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I know he didnt test Craze because it does not and has never had BenzylPEA in it and Craze has always had and will always have caffeine. You can believe whatever you want about who is one of the most honest people you know. I have actual, independent lab tests and that's what matters to me.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
Not quite Matt. Tub was sealed. I never claimed it only contained two things either. Many of the things on the label would not be seen on the GC/MS.

I dont want to talk about Craze anymore but its important that you report the things i said accurately.

I also tested a second bottle of craze that was obtained direct from retailer but i will not report the results, as I received your certified letter from your attorneys and this is not worth me getting sued over
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It is accurate, post #920 and I quote "the full chromatagram showed just one other peak. i think its n,n-diethyl-2-phenethylamine but since i have no standard i cant verify its odd i didnt see caffeine. unless craze doesnt contain caffeine."
 
996ttelise said:
Yeah, I figured DS was sending letters from lawyer to shut people up like PA and guy on bb.com. Threaten everyone whose test comes out different and then post their own results would be an interesting tactic. Is lawsuit dismissed?
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Thats not true. No other "guy on BB.com" or anyone else for that matter was sent anything.
 
Sldge said:
It is accurate, post #920 and I quote "the full chromatagram showed just one other peak. i think its n,n-diethyl-2-phenethylamine but since i have no standard i cant verify its odd i didnt see caffeine. unless craze doesnt contain caffeine."
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Now I may be retarded (which I doubt) but no part of that claims those are the only two in their it just says those are the two peaks he saw on his chromatogram. It seems to me that he was reporting his findings and I never once saw him claim anything against craze or DS, he just stated what he saw.
 
Geoforce said:
Honestly I don't know what this means. PA found some strange things (don't feel like digging through the old thread) and a lawsuit came out. How difficult would it be for a company to change something with a new batch after all the negative stuff was being thrown around? Why are the test results coming out so long after the accusations? Maybe it's standard. I have no idea and I'm by no means saying that is what happened.

I'm just not sure why we have different results on a product unless something about the testing is off that I don't understand.



Something just doesn't jive in all of this and I don't think this necessarily puts us any closer to really knowing. Probably enough to put my mind at ease enough to finally give this a go however! I've always been a fan of DS and had great runs with many of their supplements.
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No the tubs tested where from the same batch. Most companies keep several samples in case something needs to be addressed .
 
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