Real Tren vs "PH" Tren
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UnrealMachine
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They're similar, both have bad shutdown, night sweats, vascularity, good strength gains. After seeing neverstop's reaction to trenbolone vs. X-tren it seems that the PH form is nastier with gyno, which is my experience with it as well, very bad progestin gyno that popped up very early.
RTD1
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Thanks, bro. Was wondering whether it's something I should be stocking up on. I already have a ton of SD and PP clones plus a couple of bottles of Epi. I'll pass on the Tren then.
UnrealMachine
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Yeah... I tried the PH tren and it worked well but the loss of libido and the gyno really sucked, i'm not trying it again.
UnrealMachine
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i think it was around the start of week 2, not very far in, was pretty obvious what caused it
mitchcama
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theres another PH tren version that was over the counter like tren nor is
the ingredient is 17b-methoxy-trienbolone also known as trenadrol... I took two bottles of it when it was over the counter avaible..it also is very bad shutdown great vascularity with strength gains around week 3 or 4 and not much if any gyno after. Its now illegal but it was good when avaible it also leaned you out if you did some cardio with it.
the ingredient is 17b-methoxy-trienbolone also known as trenadrol... I took two bottles of it when it was over the counter avaible..it also is very bad shutdown great vascularity with strength gains around week 3 or 4 and not much if any gyno after. Its now illegal but it was good when avaible it also leaned you out if you did some cardio with it.
XxCrisisxX
Member
Personally, the PH tren never gave me great gains. I wish it did. I've never tried real tren so I can't really compare.
I have some trenadrol that I have yet to run but it's supposedly very strong.
Guess I'll see.
I have some trenadrol that I have yet to run but it's supposedly very strong.
Guess I'll see.
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
Trenadrol is weird stuff. I hope my bottles were legit, but i took it for 2 weeks most of the time i was at 90mg and i didn't notice anything, gave the rest of it away.
luclyluciano
Well-known member
Tren in SPAWN is excellent.
jbryand101b
Banned
you are comparing two different, but similar steroids.
trenbolone
and
dienolone
the "tren" pro hormones sold on the market are pro steroids for the steroid known as dienolone. similar to it's big cousin in gains, and sides. but from the limited studies done (not much is known on this steroid) it act wierd in the body, sometimes acting one way, and in others acting totally different. (in terms of sides, shut down, effect on lipids)
jbryand101b
Banned
thats because trenadrol started out being good old fashioned oral trenbolone. and then later turned into the dienolone precursors, and now, is no more.
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
Well if it were dienolone I would know because I respond to dienolone and get gyno from it... If it's oral tren I should have noticed something. But i started at 60 then spent about 11 days at 90mg and i didn't notice anything. It was weird.
Do you mean the Pheraplex in Spawn? lol...
How the hell did spawn get so popular? Almost every stacked product is overpriced and dosed wrong. With this one, 50% of the ingredients were LIES, lol...
Bigchourico
Well-known member
I never got gyno from either the tren ph or Methyldienolone and loved both of them. Well I guess everybody is different.
Bigchourico
Well-known member
That's a crazy high dose the cost to benefit ratio would be bad.
badfish51581
Member
Highly doubt they ever sold methyltrienolone (real oral tren)...
UnrealMachine
Well-known member
That doesn't make any sense at all, what dose of trenbolone are you trying to compare to? 2g a week?
You'd never make it to 250mg of PH tren because you'd explode from muscle and blood pressure
Trenbolone is good stuff but it's not like it's 10 times stronger than these orals... the orals are very potent
bigzach1234
Active member
I agree man, i doubt they ever sold real oral tren, i have also heard that their really is no such thing as oral tren and its just not possible....but my source some how has real oral tren.. so im kind of confused
RTD1
New member
There's no such thing as oral Trenbolone. People refer to Methyltrienolone as oral Tren, because technically it's 17-AA Trenbolone, but what people don't understand is that adding a methyl to xyz steroid does not just make it into "oral xyz" it makes it into a completely different compound that may have very different effects.
EasyEJL
Never enough
theres really only 1 true way to make oral tren, and that would be with a tren no ester powder and cyclodextrin. you'd keep dosage low like 15mg per tab, and probably take 3 per day sublingually.
The oral one your supplier probably has is Methyltrienolone , which i wouldn't use
RTD1
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The oral one your supplier probably has is Methyltrienolone , which i wouldn't use
First time I ever read Llewellyn's Anabolics and got to the entry on Methyltrienolone, I was like "DO WANT DO WANT DO WANT" until I got to the section on Dimethyltrienolone and I almost came in my pants. My liver is very thankful that it's not very easy to get though.
jbryand101b
Banned
okay, im not talking about methyltren. what I am calling "oral trenbolone" is plain trenbolone powder, taken orally.
trenbolone is more orally available than testosterone. you wont get the gains you would from injecting it, but you will still see results from taking it orally.
here,
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The active ingredient in the designer supplement Methoxy-TST is identical to the one in Methoxy-TRN. And this is not the steroid that the supplement manufacturers claim is present in the products. This finding came to light during an analysis carried out by a certified research laboratory, the results of which Ergo-log has received.
According to the manufacturers, the active ingredient in Methoxy-TST is 17b-methoxy-trienosterone.
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This term doesn’t mean much to
scientists. Some advertisements mention an “oral testosterone analogue”, but trienosterone is not a registered term. The other part of the name, 17b-Methoxy, is more clear: it indicates that the molecule in the 17beta-position has a methoxy group on it. Some users thought that Methoxy-TST contained 17b-methoxy-testosterone.
Steroid experts were surprised when Methoxy-TST appeared on the market. A methoxy group on the 17beta-position reduces the steroid's attachment to the androgen receptor, but promotes its attachment to the progesterone receptor. That works against the desired effect and increases the chance of side effects, such as a reduction in the endogenous manufacture of testosterone.
A similar discussion erupted when Methoxy-TRN appeared on the market. The active ingredient in this product is 17b-methoxy-trienbolone, if the labels are to be believed.
The difference this time was that the name on the labels gave the impression that 17b-methoxy-trenbolone was the substance in question.
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According to animal studies, 17b-methoxy-trenbolone is a fairly powerful progestagen and a weak androgen.
Methoxy-TRN and Methoxy-TST, the ads proclaimed, are “designed by the best to work synergistically”.
If the inventor of the stack is the same person as the manufacturer of the products, you can’t deny that he has a sense of humour. But it’s a sense of humour without a conscience. According to the laboratory analyses, both Methoxy-TST and Methoxy-TRN contain ordinary trenbolone. It hasn’t been ethered or estered, it’s plain old trenbolone. How much trenbolone the capsules contain the researchers did not determine.
The trenbolones on the market come in the form of injectible products. But trenbolone is also a bit active when taken orally; it’s oral availability is bigger than nandrolone's and testosterone's.
The analyses are sobering: they show how much respect the designer-supplements industry has for its buyers.
Little.
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okay, so you are thinking, this is a different product. but this is the same ingredient listed in the original trenadrol from kilo sports.
KiloSports Trenadro contains 17b-methoxy-Trienbolone.
it was later changed into the dienolone precursor.
trenbolone is more orally available than testosterone. you wont get the gains you would from injecting it, but you will still see results from taking it orally.
here,
-------------------
The active ingredient in the designer supplement Methoxy-TST is identical to the one in Methoxy-TRN. And this is not the steroid that the supplement manufacturers claim is present in the products. This finding came to light during an analysis carried out by a certified research laboratory, the results of which Ergo-log has received.
According to the manufacturers, the active ingredient in Methoxy-TST is 17b-methoxy-trienosterone.
Invalid Link Removed
This term doesn’t mean much to
scientists. Some advertisements mention an “oral testosterone analogue”, but trienosterone is not a registered term. The other part of the name, 17b-Methoxy, is more clear: it indicates that the molecule in the 17beta-position has a methoxy group on it. Some users thought that Methoxy-TST contained 17b-methoxy-testosterone.
Steroid experts were surprised when Methoxy-TST appeared on the market. A methoxy group on the 17beta-position reduces the steroid's attachment to the androgen receptor, but promotes its attachment to the progesterone receptor. That works against the desired effect and increases the chance of side effects, such as a reduction in the endogenous manufacture of testosterone.
A similar discussion erupted when Methoxy-TRN appeared on the market. The active ingredient in this product is 17b-methoxy-trienbolone, if the labels are to be believed.
The difference this time was that the name on the labels gave the impression that 17b-methoxy-trenbolone was the substance in question.
Invalid Link Removed
According to animal studies, 17b-methoxy-trenbolone is a fairly powerful progestagen and a weak androgen.
Methoxy-TRN and Methoxy-TST, the ads proclaimed, are “designed by the best to work synergistically”.
If the inventor of the stack is the same person as the manufacturer of the products, you can’t deny that he has a sense of humour. But it’s a sense of humour without a conscience. According to the laboratory analyses, both Methoxy-TST and Methoxy-TRN contain ordinary trenbolone. It hasn’t been ethered or estered, it’s plain old trenbolone. How much trenbolone the capsules contain the researchers did not determine.
The trenbolones on the market come in the form of injectible products. But trenbolone is also a bit active when taken orally; it’s oral availability is bigger than nandrolone's and testosterone's.
The analyses are sobering: they show how much respect the designer-supplements industry has for its buyers.
Little.
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okay, so you are thinking, this is a different product. but this is the same ingredient listed in the original trenadrol from kilo sports.
KiloSports Trenadro contains 17b-methoxy-Trienbolone.
it was later changed into the dienolone precursor.
luclyluciano
Well-known member
SPAWN is working amazing for me! My besy cycle so far. Got it at a price where it makes sense. I have never run PP but the results for me are EXACTLY what TREN and EPI are supposed to do. I have run EPI and works fantastic on me at 30-40 mgs so I don't subscribe to the "EPI is underdosed" bro-science! I agree at reg prices it would be better to buy separate. As for the PP that is supposedly in there in place of TREN? I don't see why they would bother misleading. Is PP cheaper maybe? Did they run out of TREN on that batch? Does PP work better with EPI an thet wanted to ride the TREN gravy train? I don't know the answers to those querstions but to answer you question as to how it got popular is obvious! It works REALLY GOOD! Just as the ingredients should. I would definitely buy again if I could at the right price- besides TREN was not avail when I placed my orders!
EasyEJL
Never enough
this is all a bunch of nonsense. I've talked to Author L Rea about it personally. He still won't divulge the actual chemical compound but its not trenbolone. 17b-methoxy-Trienbolone is a made up name, if you look on a bottle of ALRI Methoxy-TRN it has a © copyright symbol next to it. Why? Because its not the chemical formula, its the trade name for the product. Methoxy-trn from Biotest had the same compound in it and so did generic labz mega-trn (or whatever it was called) as ALRI sold them the raws. Trenadrol's original formula never had the same compound in it, what it had is/was still a mystery, if it wasn't pro-dienelone the whole time.
Ergo-log is totally full of **** on this one (as with many of their reports). A lab can't actually accurately "identify" whats in a capsule, at best they can compare the gas chromatograph peaks + troughs against known samples and say its close to X. And this lab of theirs isn't named, and nobody else has ever shown those same results. Funny thing.
EasyEJL
Never enough
nobody really knows that answer either. But from knowing people who used both, its not the same as methoxy-trn either.
jbryand101b
Banned
well, as you just pointed out, the point of the article is that supplement companies have little respect for consumers who purchase their products, well, most anyhow.
doesn't matter though, we're all gonna keep buying their products. fuel for the cash fire.
doesn't matter though, we're all gonna keep buying their products. fuel for the cash fire.
mj34
Member
Honestly, I personally am having bad insomnia and irrattion and when I run 400mgsEW of Tren Ace the sides are not nearly as bad. I still have insomnia but I feel the 19-nor version has more sides. I never ever (knock on wood) have had a problem with gyno. I also have little problems with bloat unless I use anadrol and high dose dbol then I need Proviron or adex.
mj34
Member
The only way to avoid the gyno with any nandro derivative is to run test. Im not having any libido issues nor have I ever. I'm also on TRT year round so that helps. If you don't have test or don't pin then sometimes you can get away with using Proviron. I love Proviron that stuff boosts my libido to porn star level. Great stuff!!!
mj34
Member
LOL...Spawn what *******s. Claiming to have epistane and tren; instead tren and phera. Not cool at all. I bet their rep is tarnished now cause phera is great but its wayyy cheaper than epi...cheap ass bastards