Randy Moss or Terell Owens
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Bobo said:
When it comes to the money issue, no matter how greedy it may seem a player is being, just remember that the owners in this league use these guys until their bodies can no longer take it and then discard them like yesterday's trash. The last person I'm going to give my sympathy to is the owners.
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Sir Foxx said:
You got that right!
not_big_enuf
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Let's say you were, oh, say a contruction worker and you made 40K a year. You're damn good at your job, in fact, you're a foreman. You find out that other foremen in your area make 60K a year. Wouldn't you want to be paid fair market value?
I would.
I would.
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Alright I slammed Owens now to defend (remember Philly fans must be bi-polar:blink: )
The knocks on Owens were he takes plays off.. not in one game including preseason did I see this all
year... even in a thumping at Pitts he showed the only fire at the end...
He dropped balls... Yea right the man didn`t drop **** and made some truly remarkable catches across the middle
took some smashing hits... and bounced right up..
Didn`t show up for big games... see Dallas after the Pitts loss.. See Baltimore... See the Superbowl...
He is a cancer in the locker room... again he showed no signs all year
Wasn`t a deep threat... the man had 9 catches of 40 yds or more .. does it matter if you run 40 and catch or 20 and run your f@#$%^ azz off for 20 more...
And his mouth.. well I will quit while I am ahead... :sad:
The knocks on Owens were he takes plays off.. not in one game including preseason did I see this all
year... even in a thumping at Pitts he showed the only fire at the end...
He dropped balls... Yea right the man didn`t drop **** and made some truly remarkable catches across the middle
took some smashing hits... and bounced right up..
Didn`t show up for big games... see Dallas after the Pitts loss.. See Baltimore... See the Superbowl...
He is a cancer in the locker room... again he showed no signs all year
Wasn`t a deep threat... the man had 9 catches of 40 yds or more .. does it matter if you run 40 and catch or 20 and run your f@#$%^ azz off for 20 more...
And his mouth.. well I will quit while I am ahead... :sad:
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rugger48 said:
Wrong. He did that one year when he was injuried throughout the season. Those reports were from the San Fran media looking to criticize anything an everything because of his relationship with them. Other than that, he doens't drop many balls at all and the number show it. Look what he did last year.
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EEmain said:
Preach on!!!!
not_big_enuf
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And Owens mouth... please, that's so overblown it's not even funny. What'd he say about McNabb? Please... what would you guys do with cameras and reports ramming **** down your throat... "Hey, I wasn't the one that was tired." Boy, NFL players sure must be little babies if that's a big insult. He might have said it a bit different but he was saying he didn't play in how many weeks and was fine.
Terrell gets caught spouting off and sometimes says things before thinking but it's almost always because he's fired up. He should choose his words better, I'll agree, but he's FAR from a cancer.
BTW -- McNabb lovers, without Owens, he's a good QB who has big time accuracy problems. With Owens he's a real good QB who gets bailed out. Look at his stats, he doesn't throw for many yards or TDs, and has isn't very accurate. All you have to do is watch a Philly game and see how many bad balls he throws.
Now look at his year with TO...
See Garcia for more proof. TO makes that team go. For those of you that don't want TO back or think McNabb can carry them, or has EVER carried them, I'm not sure. Pre-TO, the only reason Philly was good was because they had a great D -- their offense was just bad.
Terrell gets caught spouting off and sometimes says things before thinking but it's almost always because he's fired up. He should choose his words better, I'll agree, but he's FAR from a cancer.
BTW -- McNabb lovers, without Owens, he's a good QB who has big time accuracy problems. With Owens he's a real good QB who gets bailed out. Look at his stats, he doesn't throw for many yards or TDs, and has isn't very accurate. All you have to do is watch a Philly game and see how many bad balls he throws.
Now look at his year with TO...
See Garcia for more proof. TO makes that team go. For those of you that don't want TO back or think McNabb can carry them, or has EVER carried them, I'm not sure. Pre-TO, the only reason Philly was good was because they had a great D -- their offense was just bad.
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not_big_enuf said:
I am not sticking up for Donovon either but I can't believe you just said that he isn't a cancer!!!
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not_big_enuf said:
I agree with some of those things but I do think Mcnabb is much better that you are giving him credit for. One, he hasn't had anyone to throw to. Second, he has no running game. Three, he creates postive yardage out of nothing at times. Fourth, his O-Line gives up WAY too many sacks.
So what happens you factor everything in?
Well give him a great receiver and he much better but so is any QB. Give him Westbrooke out of the backfield and D's can't concentrate on just Mcnabb taking off. When those factors are put into the equation Mcnabb is a probably the best, if not top 3 in the league.
SO you have to look at all the factors then make your decision. I tihnk he creates more positive plays than any QB in the league and that includes Vick (because Mcnabb usually never turns the ball over...look how many INT he's had over the last 3 years).
31 TD's....8 INT....first player in history to have over 30TD's with less than 10 INT's.
64% completion ratio.
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LakeMountD said:
Umm...if he's such a cancer, they wouldn't have gone 13-3 (with the last 2 games mailed in). DO people honestly believe they would have done better in the SuperBowl without him? The guy led the team in recpetions with a broken leg!!! Cancer? I don't think so. Cancers make teams lose, not win.
I remember peopel said Dillon was a cancer because he wanted out of Cincinnati. I remember people said Ray Lewis was a cancer because he was affilaited with a double murder. Warren Sapp has the biggest mouth in the NFL but on the filed he delivered. Keyshawn Johnson is the epitome of a selfish players but he won as well WITH Sapp. Ty Law held out and last time I checked he has 3 superbowl rings. They all won rings and were superstars doing it. Bottom line is the majority of the players have the same attitudes but you don't know about it because they don't have a mic shoved in their face 24/7 like TO.
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he's a great QB WITH Terrell Owens. Without, take a look at his numbers and he's a low percentage QB without very many yards and a GREAT defense.
I'll be honest, I didn't get to see him play much last year. Before last year, I saw him play and he wasn't that good at all. FAR from an accurate passer. I'm sure McNabb has improved, and yes, he does make plays for his team, but the QB is a catalyst for a team. Pre-TO, Philly didn't score points and, true, you can't put that all on McNabb's shoulders, but I think people are too quick to give him more credit than he deserves.
Don't even get me started on Michael Vick. He may be good at the end of games, but it'd sure be nice if he didn't have make up for the fact that he's VERY INEFFIECIENT most of the time. He's damn exciting to watch though... that's for a different time...
I'll be honest, I didn't get to see him play much last year. Before last year, I saw him play and he wasn't that good at all. FAR from an accurate passer. I'm sure McNabb has improved, and yes, he does make plays for his team, but the QB is a catalyst for a team. Pre-TO, Philly didn't score points and, true, you can't put that all on McNabb's shoulders, but I think people are too quick to give him more credit than he deserves.
Don't even get me started on Michael Vick. He may be good at the end of games, but it'd sure be nice if he didn't have make up for the fact that he's VERY INEFFIECIENT most of the time. He's damn exciting to watch though... that's for a different time...
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Quote of the day right there. Guy gets a bad rep and BAM, "here's the mic, say something stupid or something we can exploit."Bobo said:
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not_big_enuf said:
I tihnk he's a great QB without. He creates something out of nothing with NO personel. His number one receiver the last 3 years before TO was James Thrash!!! He has had the lowest amount of INT in the last 3 years. He carried that team to 3 NFC Championships. There defense wasn't even that great during that time. Without Mcnabb they would have gone nowhere at all. He was hurt 2 years ago for most of the season with a broken ankle (he threw 4 TD's on that broken ankle). The year after that Westbrooke was out and there was no TO. The whole front 4 of the defense was hurt. I mean that guy literally has nobody to throw too with NO running game yest they still won the division because he carried that team.
Even if you look at the team now you can throw to TO and then....
WHO?
The next best guy is your RB! Everyone else is average at best.
The last 3 years he only has 25 INT's. Lowest among all active QB's.
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People used to say Favre wasn't accurate either in his early years because he threw so many INT's. Well when you have nobody to throw to you tend to force things. Mcnabb had nobody to throw to and still has a low amount of INT's.
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True enough, numbers don't mean everything, see Joe Montana for proof there. I think the fact that he can scramble and make plays with his feet are what makes him valuable. As a passing QB though, I think he's adequate. Perhaps it's not having WRs to throw to, but he's never look accurate or decisive until TO came around. Low INTs or not, he also didn't move the ball well nor throw for many scoring TDs. I guess if your team wins that's all that counts though.
I'll concede McNabb is a natural winner and good QB for sure. Vick I will not and I'll argue that one to the death
I'll concede McNabb is a natural winner and good QB for sure. Vick I will not and I'll argue that one to the death
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Favre also threw for a ton of TDs and yards as well. McNabb does neither. I think he solves problems with his feet. Low INTs could be a result of lack of trying to make plays with his arm. I just don't think he does try to make a play passing.
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not_big_enuf said:True enough, numbers don't mean everything, see Joe Montana for proof there. I think the fact that he can scramble and make plays with his feet are what makes him valuable. As a passing QB though, I think he's adequate. Perhaps it's not having WRs to throw to, but he's never look accurate or decisive until TO came around. Low INTs or not, he also didn't move the ball well nor throw for many scoring TDs. I guess if your team wins that's all that counts though.
I'll concede McNabb is a natural winner and good QB for sure. Vick I will not and I'll argue that one to the death
You must be wathcing a different team because you are not describing Mcnabb at all.
If he was that average, they wouldn't win.
And you are right, number don't mean everything. He wins.
Favre did not throw a ton of TD's in his early years. He threw a TON of INT's and not until he learned the west coast offense did he flourish.
Never was accurate until TO came around? You really haven't wathced the same guy I have. If you aren't accurate, you throw INT's in a werst coast offense. Its a passed based offense and his WR were awful and dropped more balls than any team. Why do you tihnk they have wanted to get rid of Pinkston for the past 3 years?
Solves his problems with his feet? No that is what happens when you are one of the highest sacked QB's in the league because your line can't protect. Look what happened when he had time this year. He was one of the best QB's in the league. Last time I checked he put up great numbers in the 2 playoff games WITHOUT TO.
You obvisouly are not looking at the reality of the sitaution at all. Defenses weren't worried about their receivers (could be pushed around) they didn't have a run game and the line allowed one the highest amount of sacks in the years before TO.
Take Harrison and James away fomr Manning and see what happens. Oh thats right, New England did and he put up a donut.
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A great QB flourishes when the conditions are right. WHen you have a good running game, a good line and good receivers then your QB will put up great numbers and win. Mcnabb did that this year because it was the only year he had all three working for him. The result was he ran for less yards (by far) than any year before and his rating, TD's and INT's were ALL better.
Take all that way and he still had low INT's, had to run more and STILL WON.
By your definition a great QB puts up those number withouth any personnel. Name a QB that has done that in the last 10 years.
Take all that way and he still had low INT's, had to run more and STILL WON.
By your definition a great QB puts up those number withouth any personnel. Name a QB that has done that in the last 10 years.
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You're right, I haven't seen McNabb play that much. Couple times a year. I can say that when your team is perennially LOW in passing yards and passing TDs and much higher in rushing yards and rushing TDs, I tend to believe your running game is more effective than your passing game.
How is that a team that scores more on the ground and moves the ball more on the ground (until TO) has a QB that's so good?
FYI -- Brett Favre has never been inaccurate (see extremely high passing percentage) and has ALWAYS thrown for significantly more yards (see ALWAYS above 3700) and more TDs than McNabb EVER has. And perhaps that's because Favre has had WRs and McNabb hasn't.
Regardless, we have to agree to disagree on McNabb. I'll give you that he's a good QB... but he's NOT a good passing QB, but efficient enough to not lose games passing and let his defense and running games do what they need to.
To me, great QBs run an offense and pass the ball well. Passing the ball well is scoring touchdowns and producing yards, neither McNabb has done well or often YET in his career.
His teams do win, I'll give you that.
I'm out on this one. I'm glad this didn't get too far out of hand and get down to "YOU LIAR, I'LL KILL YOU!!!!!"
No one has bitten on my Vick bashing... sigh....
How is that a team that scores more on the ground and moves the ball more on the ground (until TO) has a QB that's so good?
FYI -- Brett Favre has never been inaccurate (see extremely high passing percentage) and has ALWAYS thrown for significantly more yards (see ALWAYS above 3700) and more TDs than McNabb EVER has. And perhaps that's because Favre has had WRs and McNabb hasn't.
Regardless, we have to agree to disagree on McNabb. I'll give you that he's a good QB... but he's NOT a good passing QB, but efficient enough to not lose games passing and let his defense and running games do what they need to.
To me, great QBs run an offense and pass the ball well. Passing the ball well is scoring touchdowns and producing yards, neither McNabb has done well or often YET in his career.
His teams do win, I'll give you that.
I'm out on this one. I'm glad this didn't get too far out of hand and get down to "YOU LIAR, I'LL KILL YOU!!!!!"
No one has bitten on my Vick bashing... sigh....
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If he wasn't a good passing QB he wouldn't have put up the number he diod this year. He didn't rush for many yards at all and he threw for 3800 yeards while taking the last 2 games off.
The team is low in passing yards because your receives get pushed around by players like Ricky Manning. Pinkston made Manning look like a pro bowler. Not one of the Eagles receives could beat one on one coverage. There is a reaosn WHY they got TO because theior receivers were HORRIBLE! What happened when TO went against Manning this year? Ate him up and spit him out. (4 rec, 123 yards, 30-8 win). Mcnabb put the ball where it needed to be because if he didn't it would get intercepted. Half the time the receivers dropped the ball.
The previous years they moved the ball more on the ground because they had no other option. Half the time if was Mcnabb running for his life.
The team is low in passing yards because your receives get pushed around by players like Ricky Manning. Pinkston made Manning look like a pro bowler. Not one of the Eagles receives could beat one on one coverage. There is a reaosn WHY they got TO because theior receivers were HORRIBLE! What happened when TO went against Manning this year? Ate him up and spit him out. (4 rec, 123 yards, 30-8 win). Mcnabb put the ball where it needed to be because if he didn't it would get intercepted. Half the time the receivers dropped the ball.
The previous years they moved the ball more on the ground because they had no other option. Half the time if was Mcnabb running for his life.
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not_big_enuf said:
You must have missed last year.
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BAH, I eat my words! He was great last year... stupid TO, go back to my Niners... oh wait, they don't have a QB.. well, maybe...
Bobo said:
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Serisously though, in the last 3 years there was NOBODY to throw too. It was widely know that they had the WORST receiver core in the NFL. They were just awful. There is only so much you can do passing when you have nobody to catch the ball and a coach that won't commit to the run.
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Receiver don't make QB's and vice versa. Look at the 3 best QB's last year and who they threw it too. Culpepper-Moss, Manning-Harrison, Mcnabb-Owens. Its not coincedence.not_big_enuf said:
Who is the best out of those 3 when you take away the best receivers?
Mcnabb won 3 NFC title without one. The other 2 cna't do it WITH them.
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Well, I can honestly say I've always been hard on McNabb because he was a favorite of mine out of college. After watching him a lot the first few years when he seemed like he could hardly complete a pass and seemed lost often enough I said "f it buddy." Those years he bail himself out with his legs all the time...
Having WRs help. I'm a Culpepper fan (HUGE) and I sure hope they don't suck this year. I'm hoping all the Culpepper bashers in MN (they're plentiful) get their mouth shut this year and Daunte has a good year. FYI, Scott Linehan is a MORON. Anybody that thinks he's an offensive genius is a moron and I will hunt you down and brutally show you different. Linehan got credit for the fact that the Viking had TONS of offensive talent. They actually have a quite inconsistent offense that was often STOP and GO and could not put together a real drive to save their life. If you watched a Vikings game in the past 3 years, you would have noticed ZERO, that's right, ZERO crossing patters. THERE WERE ZERO 10 or 15 yard routes. HELLO! Anyway, sry to hijack this thread...
Having WRs help. I'm a Culpepper fan (HUGE) and I sure hope they don't suck this year. I'm hoping all the Culpepper bashers in MN (they're plentiful) get their mouth shut this year and Daunte has a good year. FYI, Scott Linehan is a MORON. Anybody that thinks he's an offensive genius is a moron and I will hunt you down and brutally show you different. Linehan got credit for the fact that the Viking had TONS of offensive talent. They actually have a quite inconsistent offense that was often STOP and GO and could not put together a real drive to save their life. If you watched a Vikings game in the past 3 years, you would have noticed ZERO, that's right, ZERO crossing patters. THERE WERE ZERO 10 or 15 yard routes. HELLO! Anyway, sry to hijack this thread...
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Ok, you were doing good until then. Vikings have the worst defense I've ever seen. Period. And the Colts defense, up until last year when it was ok, was pathetic as well. That's why those teams didn't win games, not because of their offenses. come on now Bobo... I've conceeded I was tough on McNabb, but let's be fair here.Bobo said:
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not_big_enuf said:
His first couple years were rough but thats what happens when you go from the college game to a west coast offense. It makes you look awful.
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Bobo said:
You can be good and still be a cancer. Don't get me wrong, I will never take talent away froma nyone. He is a beast of nature. However, that doesn't change the fact that he is a cancer. I have met a few people here from FSU who have played with him and thats one of the first questions I asked. No one ever says it obviously, especially teammates, but he is a cancer. YOu said it yourself too while they were winning games. They got a monster D, westbrook, dawkins, etc.
Moss is another example of unbelievably ability and horrible attitude.
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not_big_enuf said:
Eagles were ranked almost last in the run the last 2 years. Check out their rankings. It was in the middle at best in overall D 2-3 years ago AND this was the first year they actually had their front 4 starting. How many people did the Eagles lose to free agency in the last 4 years on defense? So in terms of personnel and ranking they weren't far off at all.
Its not the Colts D that put up the donut last year and its not the reaosn they didn't win the year before that (4 INT's by Peyton).
You seem to think the Eagles D was top dog or something the last couple years and it most certainly was not.
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LakeMountD said:
That doens't make sense at all. If you are a cancer, you don't win. IF you are a cancer, you cause the team to play bad because of your effect on the team. He does the opposite but now he a cancer because he wants more money?
A cancer causes the body to DIE. Last year they went further than they ever have since 1980. That body was doing pretty damn well. Half the team wouldn't have recruited him if he was such a cancer.
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Its just unbelievable what I see now. The Eagles have a monster D? Last year everyone said it was their weakness. TO after the Superbowl was prasied and one of the most unselfish players because of what he went through to get back on the field but now he wants more money and he a cancer.
Wow...I didn't know everyone changed their minds so much because of what TO does OFF the field.
John Elway refused to play for the Colts when he was drafted so is he a cancer as well?
Wow...I didn't know everyone changed their minds so much because of what TO does OFF the field.
John Elway refused to play for the Colts when he was drafted so is he a cancer as well?
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Damn...I got plans to write. My clients are going to pissed because I keep talkiong sports with you bastards 
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Vikings and Colts problems the past 5 years were their defense not their offense. If the Vikings could have held anybody under 30, they would have won every game. same with the colts. Peyton can't be counted on to win every game, and if he has a tough game, the defense couldn't hold a team of dog catchers to less than 25.
The Eagles have had Pro Bowl players in their secondary and decent players in other spots. Last year was different, I'll give you that, but that's because they did have some semblance of a consistent offense with McNabb, TO, and their running game playing well.
You can't compare the Vikings, Colts, and Eagles and say McNabb is great because he won without any other offensive weapons and those other two teams has tons of offensive power and couldn't get the job done. That's not fair to the offenses of the Colts and Vikigns, nor is it fair to the Eagles D in recent years whose had good defenses. The Vikigns and Colts have almost the worst defenses respectively... I can vouch for the Vikings as I've watch every game for the past 3 years. In my 15 years of watching football, I have not seen a defense as bad as theirs the past 3 years. When Chad Hutchinson, Rex Grossman, Joey Harrington, and Patrick Ramsey look like Hall of Famers, then well... sigh...
You give the Vikings or Colts the Philly D in previous years and nobody would be talking about New England...
The Eagles have had Pro Bowl players in their secondary and decent players in other spots. Last year was different, I'll give you that, but that's because they did have some semblance of a consistent offense with McNabb, TO, and their running game playing well.
You can't compare the Vikings, Colts, and Eagles and say McNabb is great because he won without any other offensive weapons and those other two teams has tons of offensive power and couldn't get the job done. That's not fair to the offenses of the Colts and Vikigns, nor is it fair to the Eagles D in recent years whose had good defenses. The Vikigns and Colts have almost the worst defenses respectively... I can vouch for the Vikings as I've watch every game for the past 3 years. In my 15 years of watching football, I have not seen a defense as bad as theirs the past 3 years. When Chad Hutchinson, Rex Grossman, Joey Harrington, and Patrick Ramsey look like Hall of Famers, then well... sigh...
You give the Vikings or Colts the Philly D in previous years and nobody would be talking about New England...
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clients? BAH! we're POTENTIAL clients and you're just advertising your quick thinking and in-depth research knowledge with us. you're showing us the true depths of what FLA NUTRITION can provide, and how it can be counted on to deliver top-quality assessment in various situations
right.... ?!?!?!??!?! --> i'm out, my wife says my typing is keeping her awake... she wears the pants..
right.... ?!?!?!??!?! --> i'm out, my wife says my typing is keeping her awake... she wears the pants..
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I sure can say he's great for winning without anyone. Thats what great QB's do. They win when the situation isn't optimal.
It seems you will give credit to everyone BUT Mcnabb which seems strange since their defense wans't that great and they had horrible offensive personnel.
I think they all compliment each other and make each other great. I think TO is great without Mcnabb and vice versa but together they are unbelievable. You don't win 3 NFC titles and make the pro bowl every year if you aren't.
It seems you will give credit to everyone BUT Mcnabb which seems strange since their defense wans't that great and they had horrible offensive personnel.
I think they all compliment each other and make each other great. I think TO is great without Mcnabb and vice versa but together they are unbelievable. You don't win 3 NFC titles and make the pro bowl every year if you aren't.
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not_big_enuf said:clients? BAH! we're POTENTIAL clients and you're just advertising your quick thinking and in-depth research knowledge with us. you're showing us the true depths of what FLA NUTRITION can provide, and how it can be counted on to deliver top-quality assessment in various situations
right.... ?!?!?!??!?! --> i'm out, my wife says my typing is keeping her awake... she wears the pants..
Uh...YEAH....you're right!
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not_big_enuf said:True enough, numbers don't mean everything, see Joe Montana for proof there. I think the fact that he can scramble and make plays with his feet are what makes him valuable. As a passing QB though, I think he's adequate. Perhaps it's not having WRs to throw to, but he's never look accurate or decisive until TO came around. Low INTs or not, he also didn't move the ball well nor throw for many scoring TDs. I guess if your team wins that's all that counts though.
I'll concede McNabb is a natural winner and good QB for sure. Vick I will not and I'll argue that one to the death
Everyone who is anyone say "It takes 5 years in the west coast for the light to come on." Guess what last year was 5`s 5th year as a starter....
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EEmain said:
Nobody said they sucked. Please read the thread next time.
Please check who actually played in the playoffs. I'm surprised that you don't remember the amount of injuries they had at the end of the year in the last 3 years. Those stats also refelct the fact they teams ran all over them and ate the clock up.
Those stats mean nothing if you don't have the personnel in the playoffs that established those numbers.
And they still were ranked in the middle of the pack overall. What good is the defense when they are on the field for 2/3 of the game because the ball is getting rammed down their throat. You can see the difference this year compared to the previous years (actually only the last half). How many yards did Pitt run on them this year? How many yards did Stephen Davis have with a bum leg in the playoffs? They got POUNDED. It showed this year in the Superbowl when Dillon went nuts in the second half. They might not let up that many points but its because teams accomplish 5-7 minute drives running it down their throat and break their back in the 3rd and 4th quarters because they are on the field the whole game.
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That was sarcasm pointed at everybody said the defense was their weakness... and yes I did read the thread.... we lost because Davis POUNDED us for 76yds?Bobo said:
Read this and see the Genius of NE`s second half game plan instituted during an extended SB halftime.... Invalid Link Removed
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EEmain said:
Look how long they had the ball. Sometimes its not quantity, but quality. Everyone KNOWS the weakness to the Eagles D is there run. They wouldn't have ranked at the lowest in the league in the last 3 years if it was their strongpoint. And everyone who was talking about their weak defense was saying it was weak in the years BEFORE TO. Ther run was awful this year until they put Rayburn and Trotter in.
What do I see in that Play by Play?
From the end of 3rd Quarter into the 4th
NE 21 PHI 14, Plays: 9 Yards: 66 Possession: 4:51.
C.Dillon left tackle for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
5 rushes for the majority.
Next posession?
NE 24 PHI 14, Plays: 8 Yards: 43 Possession: 3:49.
A.Vinatieri 22 yard field goal is GOOD
Eat up some more clock. Kick the fieldgoal and up by 10.
They took control of that game and everyone who watched that game said the same thing.
Then with 2 minutes left and the Eagles down by 3 they take more than a minute off the clock and leave the Eagles with only 46 seconds left on their own 4 yrd. line.
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rugger48 said:
Yeah, there is always just ONE reason. I mean Brady is SO overrated right? And that Dillon guy didn't do much either...
The fact they controlled the clock the seond half for the most part and actually scored didn't really help at all. Last time I checked you still have to score more points than your opponent.
The reason they won is because they had a running game and their defense could stop the run. That in itself forces you to pass which ALWAYS produces more turnovers.
They won because they were a better complete team.
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Sir Foxx said:Moss is going to get his due this season. He went to the wrong division. Between Champ Baily covering his ass and John Lynch knocking his head off, he will probably retire after this season.
Go Broncos
Sounds like Jerry Rice may go to them. Hopefully if he does he can help out Plummer.
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EEmain said:
Yeah I guess all that negates the fact they were 16th ranked in rushing against last year. Want to guess what they were the year before that? Oh thats right, 22nd in 2003.
Hmm...wonder what New England was. Oh trhats right, 6th.