not_big_enuf
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THROW IT DOWN BIG MAN, THROW IT DOWN!!!!!!
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mybadodge said:
Randy Moss or Terell Owens
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Dwight Schrute
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mybadodge said:
Ahh...I see. TO would be better if there was a better defense in San Fran.
It gets better with every post.....
Better downfield passer than Culpepper? And he has proved this how? When? With who?
I guess I missed all those year Collins put up such big numbers. I can only remember one.
oswizzle
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i dunno about Collins being better then Culpepper at anything other then throwing some sick ass INT's....Porter has way more potential then Reggie Wayne buddy.,,,,,no matter what just look at who throws Wayne the!ball,,,,and remember "Cut that meat, Cut that meat".
Garcia is not a scrub QB in his solid days,,,and in T.O's last year as a 49er i saw that fool drop mad balls,,,run some fucked up routes,,,,and bitch like Ike Turner yelling at Rick James over what happend to the Last base Rock.
Garcia is not a scrub QB in his solid days,,,and in T.O's last year as a 49er i saw that fool drop mad balls,,,run some fucked up routes,,,,and bitch like Ike Turner yelling at Rick James over what happend to the Last base Rock.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Have you seens some of the move the San Fran front office has done in the last 5 years? I would bitch if I was there as well. They treat their players like ****.
He was also injuried a good deal that season and nursed a hamstring injury for most of the year. The majority of years he is damn reliable and he didn't drop anything last year. It was quite the opposite.
I can't wait to see his number in the next couple of years now that he has a decnet offense to play with (as Moss had since he got in the league). At the time they both got hurt last year, Owens had better numbers.
He was also injuried a good deal that season and nursed a hamstring injury for most of the year. The majority of years he is damn reliable and he didn't drop anything last year. It was quite the opposite.
I can't wait to see his number in the next couple of years now that he has a decnet offense to play with (as Moss had since he got in the league). At the time they both got hurt last year, Owens had better numbers.
not_big_enuf
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Collins better than Culpepper? WHAT? Culpepper is one of the most accurate QBs in the league. Even in college with zero WRs, he broke the single-season completion percentage for QBs ever... twas Steve Young's mark he broke. Oh yeah, he did just as good with Randy OUT of the lineup. Did I mention he throw a tremendous long ball and can scramble... my god...
Bob, can we just close this thread? Pretty soon Joey Harrington will be a Pro-Bowler and Freddie Mitchell will be coaching... WTF????
Bob, can we just close this thread? Pretty soon Joey Harrington will be a Pro-Bowler and Freddie Mitchell will be coaching... WTF????
not_big_enuf
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Oh, I reread that... better "downfield" passer. Hmm... I doubt that too. Does Collins throw a better longball than Jeff Blake too? Ok, I'm starting to get too sarcastic...
mybadodge
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not_big_enuf said:
jeff blake? please..why not toss in akili smith too haha
yes, collins is noted as one of the best "deep passers" in the game today..granted he tries to force some throws and but i never said he was a great qb...just like jeff george, million dollar arm, 2 cent head.
and no, i wasn't saying t.o is better with a defense. u made it sound like he was there when the 9'ers were 2-14 and playing with tim rattay as qb or something.
as for culpepper, we'll see how well his numbers stand up this year
not_big_enuf
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Jeff Blake threw one of the best long balls of all time. A WRer could run 45 yards down the field and Blake could drop it in every time. Blake suffered from not being able to throw short passes, being short, and not relaxing in the pocket. If Collins could throw a deep ball like Blake, Moss would catch 25 TDs this year... Ok, now I'm going overboard and crazy...
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
mybadodge said:
Noted by WHO?
So anyone with a strong arm is a great "deep passer"?
This gets better and better every day...
Magickk
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What does? QB Rating? Culpepper was 2nd in the NFL last season. 133.4 QB Rating on 3rd down, with 19 TDs and nearly 70% completion %. Or how bout play in the 4th quarter? 111.7 QB rating with 12 TDs and 66% completion %. How about the game he had in week 6 where he was 70% with 425 yards and 5 TDs? Collins QB rating was 74.8 last season. Sad thing is, that's above his career average... GG Kerry
mybadodge
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noted by any nfl scouting report u read on collins.. here is one by the sporting news war room
"Kerry Collins
Strengths: Has excellent arm strength and is extremely accurate when he has time. Has good height and excellent velocity on downfield passes and can fit the ball into tight spaces. Has good accuracy inside the red zone, throwing to receivers' outside shoulder. Hits hot reads.
Weaknesses: Lacks mobility and loses accuracy when his feet aren't planted. Doesn't make sound decisions under pressure
Bottom Line: Collins isn't much of a threat as a scrambler but is a fine pocket passer."
as far as culpepper's stats, ur comparing his overall stats to kerry's why? i never said kerry was a better qb than culpepper, i said collins is a better DOWNFIELD passer than him as in better accuracy/touch on the deep ball...none the less read the title of the thread..it's owens or to...like i said, we will see how moss not being there will affect dante and how it will affect collins.
"Kerry Collins
Strengths: Has excellent arm strength and is extremely accurate when he has time. Has good height and excellent velocity on downfield passes and can fit the ball into tight spaces. Has good accuracy inside the red zone, throwing to receivers' outside shoulder. Hits hot reads.
Weaknesses: Lacks mobility and loses accuracy when his feet aren't planted. Doesn't make sound decisions under pressure
Bottom Line: Collins isn't much of a threat as a scrambler but is a fine pocket passer."
as far as culpepper's stats, ur comparing his overall stats to kerry's why? i never said kerry was a better qb than culpepper, i said collins is a better DOWNFIELD passer than him as in better accuracy/touch on the deep ball...none the less read the title of the thread..it's owens or to...like i said, we will see how moss not being there will affect dante and how it will affect collins.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Oh, the Sporting News scouting reports. Now I am convinced.
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You would think if he was that good a deep threat, his stats would show it somehow. They don't. Thinking Moss will do more with Collins than Culpepper is funny.
Saying Collins is more of a deep threat than Culpepper takes the cake...
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You would think if he was that good a deep threat, his stats would show it somehow. They don't. Thinking Moss will do more with Collins than Culpepper is funny.
Saying Collins is more of a deep threat than Culpepper takes the cake...
Dwight Schrute
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Magickk said:
That should tell you something. And Moss is going to raise his game because of HIM?
:lol:
not_big_enuf
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i can't wait to hear Moss after game 6 when he's done nothing because Collins blows goats...
Moss will probably walk off the field and go smoke crack or weed with his old buddy Ontario and never be seen again.
Moss will probably walk off the field and go smoke crack or weed with his old buddy Ontario and never be seen again.
yankees3
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That description sounds like Jeff George and we all know what a great QB he is. :thumbsup:mybadodge said:
I've watched him play for years with the Giants and Collins isn't bad but don't fool yourself into believing that he's better than he really is. He is a headcase at times. I don't know if he has too much confidence in his arm sometimes or if he's terrified of being hit but you put some pressure on him and he's gonna throw the ball to the first guy he sees no matter how many defenders are on him. It's not just defensive pressure, I don't think he's mentally tough either. I've seen him fall apart many times late in games or get hit early and play scared for the rest of the game. Despite all the shitty qbs that played last year around the league and the lack of interest in him after his tenure with the Giants, it seems to me that GMs around the league didn't think much of him either.
Iron Warrior
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1) :rofl: I can't believe you just said Montana would have been out of the league in 5 years if he played w/Denver. Do you also think Brady is overrated ? You should know he was pretty damm good at the end of his career, he nearly took KC to the Super Bowl and punked Denver for those two years he played @ KC, which were when he was in decline, had no running threats, and no big play receivers. I think 30+ it takes a great QB to pull off 30+ 4th quarter comebacks, including Super Bowl and championship game comebacks.Sir Foxx said:
2) What does getting sacked have to do with Elway being better than Montana ? You should know Monatana was nimble on his feet and had a great pocket prescence which helps keep the sack totals low.
3) The AFC was flat out pathetic in Elways era until the late 90's. I hate to break it to you, but his 80's Broncos would have never sniffed a Super Bowl in the NFC. Montana led the 49ers to 4 Super Bowls when the NFC was routinely dominating in Super Bowls from like 1981-1996. The Bears of the mid to late 80's, Redskins throughout the 80's, the Buddy Ryan Eagles in the late 80's-early 90's, Giants from early 80's-early90's, Cowboys early 80's, and even some Viking teams in the late 80's early 90's would have made numerous Super Bowl trips. Montana had to go through DOMINANT teams, Elway had to go through mediocre teams. If the 49ers were in the AFC during that era they'd have at least 6 rings. Denver was just fortunate to be the best of the mediocre for a while and then proceeded to get beaten like a red headed step child in 3 Super Bowls.
4) You say Montana is fragile and he came back from what were considered career ending inuries twice. You can't be fragile if you play in the NFL for 15 years unless you're a kicker
5) Montana didn't have a 1000 yard rusher in 2 of the 4 Super Bowls the 49ers won so he didn't exactly need a running game to win a Super Bowl, and if remeber correctly, Elway DID NEED a running game to win a Super Bowl.
6) Here are some comparison stats
Post season stats
Montana 16-7 record (including 3-2 with KC) 45 TD 21 INT 62.7% completions 95.3 QB rating.
Elway 14-8 record. 27TD 21INT (notice the huge difference in TD:INT ratio) 54.5% completions 78.7 rating
Regular season stats
Montana 92.3 rating (his is even better in the post season
) compared to Elway's 79.9Montana's completion percentage = 63.2, Elways = 56.9
Montana's TD:INT ratio is MUCH better at 273-139 compared to Elway's 300:226.
Elway had 4 seasons where he threw more INT's than TD's, Montana just 1 season
7) Montana was also good when he was in a "bad" system with not much talent in KC and did good so you can't truly claim he is a product of the system or Bill Walsh. Montana was surrounded by some great players but you still need a great QB in order to win 4 Super Bowls in 9 years, it can happen once in a while (i.e. Dilfer & Rypien) but 4 is no accident, it's a pattern.
oswizzle
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u dont have to be a Mobil QB in order to be avoid getting sacked,,,i watch Vick last year get sacked like a George Bush Pinayta in Baghdad...and hes the most mobil QB ever...Manning is slower then Gum **** and look at him,,,,,u guys are trippen about Moss,,,hes gonna have such a better offense around him,,,,way better offense,,,the only thing the Vikings had besides Moss was Culpepper,,,and when Moss was gone his numbers took a **** for a while..enough said by the way i hate the Raiders.......i just love there fantasy football potential
natedogg
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All I have to say is BURN! Oh and I would just like to add that TO couldn't carry Rice's jock in Rice's prime.Iron Warrior said:1) :rofl: I can't believe you just said Montana would have been out of the league in 5 years if he played w/Denver. Do you also think Brady is overrated ? You should know he was pretty damm good at the end of his career, he nearly took KC to the Super Bowl and punked Denver for those two years he played @ KC, which were when he was in decline, had no running threats, and no big play receivers. I think 30+ it takes a great QB to pull off 30+ 4th quarter comebacks, including Super Bowl and championship game comebacks.
2) What does getting sacked have to do with Elway being better than Montana ? You should know Monatana was nimble on his feet and had a great pocket prescence which helps keep the sack totals low.
3) The AFC was flat out pathetic in Elways era until the late 90's. I hate to break it to you, but his 80's Broncos would have never sniffed a Super Bowl in the NFC. Montana led the 49ers to 4 Super Bowls when the NFC was routinely dominating in Super Bowls from like 1981-1996. The Bears of the mid to late 80's, Redskins throughout the 80's, the Buddy Ryan Eagles in the late 80's-early 90's, Giants from early 80's-early90's, Cowboys early 80's, and even some Viking teams in the late 80's early 90's would have made numerous Super Bowl trips. Montana had to go through DOMINANT teams, Elway had to go through mediocre teams. If the 49ers were in the AFC during that era they'd have at least 6 rings. Denver was just fortunate to be the best of the mediocre for a while and then proceeded to get beaten like a red headed step child in 3 Super Bowls.
4) You say Montana is fragile and he came back from what were considered career ending inuries twice. You can't be fragile if you play in the NFL for 15 years unless you're a kicker
5) Montana didn't have a 1000 yard rusher in 2 of the 4 Super Bowls the 49ers won so he didn't exactly need a running game to win a Super Bowl, and if remeber correctly, Elway DID NEED a running game to win a Super Bowl.
6) Here are some comparison stats
Post season stats
Montana 16-7 record (including 3-2 with KC) 45 TD 21 INT 62.7% completions 95.3 QB rating.
Elway 14-8 record. 27TD 21INT (notice the huge difference in TD:INT ratio) 54.5% completions 78.7 rating
Regular season stats
Montana 92.3 rating (his is even better in the post season
Montana's completion percentage = 63.2, Elways = 56.9
Montana's TD:INT ratio is MUCH better at 273-139 compared to Elway's 300:226.
Elway had 4 seasons where he threw more INT's than TD's, Montana just 1 season
7) Montana was also good when he was in a "bad" system with not much talent in KC and did good so you can't truly claim he is a product of the system or Bill Walsh. Montana was surrounded by some great players but you still need a great QB in order to win 4 Super Bowls in 9 years, it can happen once in a while (i.e. Dilfer & Rypien) but 4 is no accident, it's a pattern.
CEDeoudes59
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Bobo said:
I think it depends more on the offense than the QB. Moss was highly successful with Jeff George and Randall Cunningham (and can be with Collins). If Norv Turner (run happy ultra conservative downright shitty coach*) thinks LaMont Jordan should be the offense, than Moss will have a shitty year.
*I know, I am a redskin fan.
The biggest garbage of all-time was Mike Tice's "Randy Ratio". "Moss will handle the ball on 80% of all plays". Way to give away the game plan. Cheers to a 5 win season - maybe they won more, it doesn't really matter though.
not_big_enuf
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The worst part of that "Randy Ratio" thing was what it did to Culpepper. Suddenly you had Daunte thinking he NEEDS to get it to Randy. When Culpepper spread the the field and relaxes in the pocket, he's an extremely effective QB.
I'm so excited to see a new offensive coordinator in MN this year.
Hey guys, can you imagine if your WRs didn't EVER run a pattern across the field for 10-20 yards? Let's say you had 1)go long, don't stop running and 2) throw it to the TE or RB 2 yards out.
I'm not going to say the Vikes weren't successful like that, but Linehan got all the credit for a tremendously talented core of players. With a real offense, they Vikes could have been unstoppable and maybe they wouldn't have need a defense...
I'm so excited to see a new offensive coordinator in MN this year.
Hey guys, can you imagine if your WRs didn't EVER run a pattern across the field for 10-20 yards? Let's say you had 1)go long, don't stop running and 2) throw it to the TE or RB 2 yards out.
I'm not going to say the Vikes weren't successful like that, but Linehan got all the credit for a tremendously talented core of players. With a real offense, they Vikes could have been unstoppable and maybe they wouldn't have need a defense...
Iron Warrior
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Rice is simply the greatest. I would have brought him in for a year if I was the 49ers GM. He'd teach the WR's a lot and might convince Brandon Lloyd to focus on football instead of his rap album. Hell he might even produce more than the receivers they got.natedogg said:
Dwight Schrute
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