Randy Moss or Terell Owens

Side note on TO, did you guys notice how he was real quiet when there were lots of veteran leaders in the locker room in SF. When Brent Jones, Steve Young, Ken Norton, Tim McDonald, Jerry Rice and head coach George Seifert were there, he was a very quiet, almost a shy player. He would never call out Steve Young after a loss or call hima fag. He never talked about how he wished for teammates he could hang out with. He never tried to get George Seifert fired. Since all those guys left within a one year span he really changed a lot, for better or worse. What I'm saying is if there's someone in Philly to keep him in check than he won't be the problem child the media says he is.

And guys, please take everything you hear in the media with a grain of salt, these guys wanna sell stories, such as steroid stories etc and they're willing to do anything. Many guys have done what TO is doing but not every guy gets slammed on PTI or 1st and 10 the way he gets slammed, with maybe the exception of Kobe for allegedly destroying the Lakers.
 
oswizzle said:
Randy Moss or Terell Owens....who would u rather take?


I'm going Moss all the way...Best WR in all of the NFL.
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Dude Moss hands down. Specially considering Moss is a deep route receiver and despite the fact that Kerry Collins has his inconsistencies, he has one of the strogest arms in the league believe it or not which will be good for Moss.

Moss
Harrison
Holt
Owens
Ward
chad johnson

Ward will get more catches this year now that burress is gone and roethlisberger should be throwing a lil more this year than he did last year.

Moss- always a good pick

Harrison- this is just obvious, best quarterback/wr combo in nfl history along with montany/rice

Holt- lightning holt is also a very consistent receiver, cant go wrong with him

Owens- despite the attitude, his physical size and strength will never do you wrong

Johnson- won the competition for best hands in the league, not to mention the fact that when they played denver and champ bailey (the best corner in the league in my opinion) covered him, he scored once and had over 100 yards against him!
 
Owens caught 21 on that Charles Woodson

Best of the rest:
Eric Moulds
Andre Johnson <--- look out
Keenan McCardell
Roy Williams
Lavernues Coles
Santana Moss (maybe)
Steve Smith
Mushin Muhammad (who would have thought)
Isaac Bruce (still good)
Anquan Boldin
Joe Horn (a punk but very good)
Nate Buerlson
Darrell Jackson (best Florida wideout in the NFL)
Armani Toomer
Deion Branch
Javon Walker (could be the best of these guys)
Jimmy Smith
Chris Chambers
Marty Booker (Booker is a hell of a wideout, just needs a QB)

Worst of the Best:
Peerless Price

Possibly more valuable than all of them:
Antonio Gates
Jason Witten
Tony Gonzalez
 
I'd take Owens over any of them personally. The man was just blessed. If he wasn't playing football, he'd be playing basketball, if he wasn't doing that he'd be running track or some other sport. Just my opinion.

Interesting debate going on. More than anything I blame the entire system (all sports). Its rediculous how somebody could argue about the difference between 7 million or 9 million or whatever the amount.
 
just had to throw my own remix on this list

Best of the rest:
Javon Walker (could be the best of these guys)
Joe Horn
Andre Johnson <--- look out
Roy Williams
Mushin Muhammad (who would have thought)Santana Moss (maybe)
Anquan Boldin
Nate Buerlson
Darrell Jackson (best Florida wideout in the NFL)
Drew Bennet
Plaxico Burress
Deion Branch
Jimmy Smith
Chris Chambers
Marty Booker (Booker is a hell of a wideout, just needs a QB)
Cedrick Wilson,,,,i feel for some reason Alex Smith will make dude shine
Worst of the Best:
Peerless Price...Peerless Garbage Can sucks Dick,,,,,Vick would be busting out Ron Mexico on everyone if he had a real true 6ft+ #1 WR to throw to.

Possibly more valuable than all of them:
Antonio Gates
Tony Gonzalez
Jason Witten
Todd Heap
Jeremy Shocky
Eric Johnson
 
Definitly agree with Heap and Eric Johnson
Derrick Mason should be mentioned too, most consistent reciever in the AFC for some time. Post Tim Brown era, of course.
Keenan McCardell is amazing, great possesion wideout.
Johnnie Morton used to be pretty good.
Mixed thoughts on Shockey.

Biggest Loser:
Kellen 'Heisman Reject' Winslow 'I'm a f_ckin soldier' Jr.
 
That is absolutely golden.
 
man,,,,Kellen Winslow fake Ruff Rydaz ass got out for the season on that lol,,,i was the dumbass that drafted him that year....good think i stole Antonio Gates as my back TE sleeper.
 
This is what is going to happen to Moss when he comes to Denver

Moss, meet Mr. Lynch :lol:
 

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oswizzle said:
just had to throw my own remix on this list

Best of the rest:
Javon Walker (could be the best of these guys)
Joe Horn
Andre Johnson <--- look out
Roy Williams
Mushin Muhammad (who would have thought)Santana Moss (maybe)
Anquan Boldin
Nate Buerlson
Darrell Jackson (best Florida wideout in the NFL)
Drew Bennet
Plaxico Burress
Deion Branch
Jimmy Smith
Chris Chambers
Marty Booker (Booker is a hell of a wideout, just needs a QB)
Cedrick Wilson,,,,i feel for some reason Alex Smith will make dude shine
Worst of the Best:
Peerless Price...Peerless Garbage Can sucks Dick,,,,,Vick would be busting out Ron Mexico on everyone if he had a real true 6ft+ #1 WR to throw to.

Possibly more valuable than all of them:
Antonio Gates
Tony Gonzalez
Jason Witten
Todd Heap
Jeremy Shocky
Eric Johnson
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I can't believe no one is mentioning Rod Smith. I guess since he just goes about his business without all the other crap most of the other guys bring to the table he just goes unnoticed. Has never missed a camp, a pre-season workout, never held out, restructures his contract to help the team. Oh well, the two SB rings speak loudly enough for him.
 
Lynch lol lol lol,,,dude Randy Moss would bust out that move he did on Green Bay in the playoffs where he took a **** on the goal post all over John Lynch. Lynch is tight dont get me wrong,,,,but come on now Healthy Randy Moss is Unstoppable,,,ur also forgetting big ass Tight End lookin Jerry Porter....and Lamont Jordan,,,Moss is gonna be a TD Monster,,,Lynch is gonna be busy hyping up Maurice Clarrett that he's the Next Terell Davis or Clinton Portis lol
 
Champ is going to be covering Moss, and Lynch is going to do the cleanup. Maurice Clarett isn't going to be anything. Our next great running back is Tatum Bell.
 
Tatum Bell is made of Glass,,,,he is so Injury prone its not even funny,,,and come on now this is Denver,,,Shanahan never ever commits to one Running Back on that team,,,,Tatum Bell wil be injured by week 6 and Clarett with be Holding it down to like 2.1 yards a carry lol and Garrison Hearst will be like 1.8 Yards per cary to go along with 3.9 yards per catch lol,,,Sorry Bro Denver sucks balls...the only good thing u guys have is Ashley Leile who has potential ,,,u guys need to get a real QB lol
 
I take it you're a Faiders fan? What's your record the last two years? What's Denver's? Now do the math. You guys won't win 5 games next year. Self-destructing is in your teams future, but I that's not really a surprise. We need a real QB? What has Kerry Collins ever done?
 
Sir Foxx said:
I take it you're a Faiders fan? What's your record the last two years? What's Denver's? Now do the math. You guys won't win 5 games next year. Self-destructing is in your teams future, but I that's not really a surprise. We need a real QB? What has Kerry Collins ever done?
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collins has done a helluva lot more than jake the fake..collins has WON a playoff game! not to mention taking two seperate teams to the NFC championship game (one the superbowl)
how to you figure self destructing is in our future? denver has had one of the weakest off seasons i can remember. they brought over the entire DL from the sorry ass browns..good move there shanarat.

question for ya donkey fan. if champ and a safety (cuz u know it'll take at least two to cover moss) are covering him, who's on porter? who's on curry? you'll need 8 in the box to stop lamont...don't forget courtney anderson...if we can field a 1/2 way decent defense (which we should since less players will be playing out of position) then it should be an exciting season in oaktown. IF the donkeys make the playoffs this year will they avoid the drubbing they've recieved from indy the past two years?
 
We are well on our way to a 7th SuperBowl this coming season. As for who will be on Porter, well that will be Lenny Walls. Our 3 outstanding LB's are more than enough for Lamont.

As for our offense, we will dominate this season as Jake will be in his 3rd season in this system. Our running game will and cannot be denied and Lelie will become the superstar he is destined to be.
 
7th superbowl? shooting kinda high there since u can't even win a playoff game wouldn't ya say?

lenny walls on porter, that should be a lopsided battle..can't wait to see it.

damn i can't wait for football season!
 
I still can't believe no one else has mentioned Clayton out of Tampa Bay. Wasn't he like the Wide Receiver rookie of the year or something?

Don't get me wrong John Lynch is a great safety. But putting a hit on someone long after they drop the ball doesn't impress me all that much. It isn't hard to throw your entire 220+ lb body into someone when they aren't looking.
 
mybadodge said:
you'll need 8 in the box to stop lamont
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Are you kidding me ? He's not the kind of player that requires 8 in the box. He's not Barry Sanders. He's never had 100 carries in a season. He doesn't have a history of shredding defenses up. He's no bum, but defensive coordinators won't lose sleep over him.
 
LakeMountD said:
I still can't believe no one else has mentioned Clayton out of Tampa Bay. Wasn't he like the Wide Receiver rookie of the year or something?
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You're right, I've overlooked him in the young WR category because of Andre Johnson, but I believe he had like 1200 yds last year and 80 catches, very good for a rookie. I'm also waiting to see what Larry Fitzgerald might do this year
 
Collins ain't bad. Raiders need a running game though.
 
Iron Warrior said:
You're right, I've overlooked him in the young WR category because of Andre Johnson, but I believe he had like 1200 yds last year and 80 catches, very good for a rookie. I'm also waiting to see what Larry Fitzgerald might do this year
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Yeah hopefully this year will be fitzgerald's coming out season. he obviously has the talent as seen in college.
 
yeah i slept on Clayton for sure my bad,,,,he's sick,,,i had him last year on my team and he stepped up like Boldin did his rookie year........As far as being a Raiders fan that would be no,,i am not,,,still,,,Oaktown will **** on the Broncos,,,,,Denver sucks dude,,,,Moss is gonna be a nightmare for everyone in that Division....I got love for 1 team and thats the Rams,,,,,also Ron Mexico,,but thats another story....Just watch Steven Jackson,,,,Torry Holt and Marc Bulger spalsh on everyone this year,,,,with a healthy O-Line,,I bet Holt ends the season like this.....105 catches ....1650 yards ....12 TouchDowns
 
The Chokeland Faiders are going to do nothing this year. Moss is done. Denver will dominate the division, conference and League.

It will be interesting to see what the Rams do this year. What do you think Arizona might do with Warner at the helm?
 
all Michael aka Ron Mexico Vick needs is a real WR or a KC offensive Line and u can kiss the Rushing Record goodbye lol
 
moss since 1998

TOTAL

started 104
total rec 574
yards 9142
avg 15.9 yards per
tds 90
rush 159 on 23 attempts


owens since 1996

started

started 121
total rec 669
total yards 9772
avg per catch 14.6
tds 95
rush 157 on 24 attempts
 
mOss is the better receiver and Im not going by stats Moss had a off year this year, but the stat they dont show is owens has terrible hands. And as far as blocking I must not be watching close enough becuase I dont see owens blocking either.
 
Sir Foxx said:
The Chokeland Faiders are going to do nothing this year. Moss is done. Denver will dominate the division, conference and League.
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ur an idiot bro. what has moss done to make you think he's done? played in only 13 games and scored almost as many td's as ALL of denver wr's combined? yeah, he's finished alright
 
rugger48 said:
moss since 1998

TOTAL

started 104
total rec 574
yards 9142
avg 15.9 yards per
tds 90
rush 159 on 23 attempts


owens since 1996

started

started 121
total rec 669
total yards 9772
avg per catch 14.6
tds 95
rush 157 on 24 attempts
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Those numbers look pretty even ona game per game basis but TO's would have been better if he didn't have to wait 2 years for the 49ers to pull the plug on JJ Stokes and he had to give way to Jerry Rice as the go to guy for a few years
 
Iron Warrior said:
Those numbers look pretty even ona game per game basis but TO's would have been better if he didn't have to wait 2 years for the 49ers to pull the plug on JJ Stokes and he had to give way to Jerry Rice as the go to guy for a few years
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how long did moss play with carter, sure carter was no rice but he did score alot and look at mosses total tds. Im sorry moss is a better reciever. Moss is not faster i beleave they are pretty much the same speed. Bottom line is owen has shitty hands, drops alot of balls.
 
mybadodge said:
my apologies...just talking **** amongst hated rival football teams

but anyways, broncos still suck! :saw:
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Just trying to keep it from getting personal and ugly. Thank you for understanding.



:thumbsup:
 
Iron Warrior said:
Those numbers look pretty even ona game per game basis but TO's would have been better if he didn't have to wait 2 years for the 49ers to pull the plug on JJ Stokes and he had to give way to Jerry Rice as the go to guy for a few years
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The intagibles!! Moss can't block, can't play inuried and takes plays off. And don't even think of asking him to go over the middle. He goes one way, up the field. He also has had a better team around him for majority of his career.
 
you know what, I'm actually starting to think Owens is the better reciever. All the teams Owens has been on there has never been a decent 2nd reciever (outside of JJ Stokes for a year). hmm
 
CEDeoudes59 said:
you know what, I'm actually starting to think Owens is the better reciever. All the teams Owens has been on there has never been a decent 2nd reciever (outside of JJ Stokes for a year). hmm
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Tim brown never had a decent 2nd wr but I wouldn't consider him better than jerry rice.

I agree both receivers are dominant, but if we look at the stats, look at the division each player got his stats in. T.O did it playing against the rams, cardinals, seahawks and falcons (i think they were in the old nfc west, can't remember). where as moss did it playing in a division of the packers, bucs, bears and lions.

does anyone think T.O will play a down this year? most philly fans i know don't even want the guy back now.
 
Tim Brown was great in his day, but he never caught over 11 TDs and caught over 100 - only once. He was a hell of a player, but not really "dominant" to the degree Moss or Owens are. He profitted from good/great running game. Certainly Brown was a pro-bowl selection every year.
 
Michael Irvin or Tim Brown?

my vote goes to Brown easily, Irvin isn't in the hall of fame... well not yet... :type:
 
Bobo said:
The intagibles!! Moss can't block, can't play inuried and takes plays off. And don't even think of asking him to go over the middle. He goes one way, up the field. He also has had a better team around him for majority of his career.
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Where in the world are you getting this from. Are you watching nfl or arena football.

1st moss never missed a start until this season and I realize that an ankle is serious but a hamstring is no laughing matter it stays the whole season.

2nd I beleive the niners before these past two seasons have a much better record then minnisota did. owens best 2 seasons came in 2000 and 2001 with 2001 being the only full season he has played his whole career.

If moss was my receiver I would not want him to go over the middle either, he is not built like owens. Yes I will give you credit owens is the bigger.


I agree owens deserves to be guarenteed money , but he signed the contract he hired the first agent. This is the 3rd time he has called foul on a contract. Dont you find it funny that another good receiver name Javon walker(also represented by rosehause is also looking for more money) at what point do these athletes realize that the bigger contract does not win superbowls.
 
rugger48 said:
Where in the world are you getting this from. Are you watching nfl or arena football.

1st moss never missed a start until this season and I realize that an ankle is serious but a hamstring is no laughing matter it stays the whole season.

2nd I beleive the niners before these past two seasons have a much better record then minnisota did. owens best 2 seasons came in 2000 and 2001 with 2001 being the only full season he has played his whole career.

If moss was my receiver I would not want him to go over the middle either, he is not built like owens. Yes I will give you credit owens is the bigger.


I agree owens deserves to be guarenteed money , but he signed the contract he hired the first agent. This is the 3rd time he has called foul on a contract. Dont you find it funny that another good receiver name Javon walker(also represented by rosehause is also looking for more money) at what point do these athletes realize that the bigger contract does not win superbowls.
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1. He never missed a start because he didn't get as injuried much (since he will never run a quck slant anyway). When he did, he was out. Oh a poor hamstring? Try a broken leg with screws still in it. Owens played. Owens might have bashed a teamate in the media but he has never walked off the field DURING A GAME ON HIS OWN TEAM!

2. Look how many time the 49'ers have made the playoffs compared to Minnesota since both have been there. Second look at the division they are in compared Minnesota. Third look how much more HELP Minnesota has on offense. When Minnesota is bad its because of their DEFENSE, not offense.

3. He isn't built like Owense which is why he isn't as valuable. Rice went across the middle for a living and he's not exactly Mr. Adonis. You wouldn't want him to go over the middle? And you think that is a positive?

4. Arena football? Does Moss not block in that league as well? Does he not go across the middle in the league? Well, looks like I've been wathcing the NFL last time I checked. Maybe you should check what you are wathcing.


Don't care about the money issue. Its a dead issue and been argued to death. Both want as much as they can get.
 
rugger48 said:
Where in the world are you getting this from. Are you watching nfl or arena football.
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From Minnesota. They are the ones that got rid of him for basically nothing.
 
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