Dwight Schrute
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Well popular like a circus act, not a superstar 
Randy Moss or Terell Owens
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CEDeoudes59
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so now what... who do the eagles sign? Pinkston shouldn't be their 2 :whip:
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CEDeoudes59
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Bobo said:Boulware
he is money. Coverted to DE from LB (but played DE in college) led the league in sacks in just 12 games - 3 or 4 years ago?
EEmain
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Even though we both are diehard Birds fans we will never agree on this... D. Mc didn`t reupp 1 year after the Birds went out of there way to accomadate him... He may have been tired or concussed or as my above post stated took a kidney shot. But you don`t rip your own... And the fans have every right to rip TO after the things he said in the media and on his site(it`s our money he is after). What did he expect? A love fest.. He is in Philly man where football comes after GOD and family for most. Besides what happened to his best friend and agent.. who he said he would never leave.. now that he has hired the NFL`s version of Scott Boras... Studd on the field, Moron off...Bobo said:
FredEx did an exclusive with Derrick Gunn on CSN last night.. it was hilarious.. he now says it was the fans that gave him all the nicknames.. and seemed at the point of tears at times.. Thanked Reid ect... and generally gave the impression he doesn`t want to be unemployed this year. Never thought I would see a quiet and reserved Fourth and Freddie...
When TO comes back I will jump back onboard like the rest... If he had only waited till the new TV money kicked in after having a very successful 2nd season the vault would have been his.. now he won`t get snot.. and he won`t play out the 4th year of his contract here either... Look for G. Lewis and the new Georgia boy to get a long look in the minis and training camp if he holds out...
If there weren`t questions about Henrys knee I say bring him in.. would take the load off BWes and allow Buck to ease back in also.. Long live the three headed monster...
CEDeoudes59
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A five star thread.
edit: I'm being serious, God chill out people. This is good discussion.
edit: I'm being serious, God chill out people. This is good discussion.
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Dwight Schrute
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EEmain said:
That is because the fans live in a fantasy world and expect athletes to live a morally perfect lives even though tehy can't do it themselves.
I know football comes after God and family and that is why they will never be happy with anything, ever. Even if they win the Superbowl Philly fans will find something to complain about. I know because I am one of them.
So if I know that going in, I am going to look out me and my money, not what the lunatic fans that live in fantasy world think of me.
Moron off the field? No, a smart business man off the field. Mcnabb didn't want to renegotiate after year one of his contract because at that point in time he was getting market value. Once that changed, he wanted more money just like everyone else.
As I already stated, Owens shouldn't have said what he said in public but that doens't mean the guy is all bad. BUt considering what he went through to get back on the field for the game they need him the most, I cut him slack. I also thought what he said has some truth to it.
4 months ago Owens was God, even after they lost. Now since he wants more money just like any athlete in this league wants at on point, he is the devil. Its ridiculous.
CEDeoudes59
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Bobo said:
It's because Owens was God (after his breakout year), then proceded to get his coach fired and called Jeff Garcia a 'faggot' on his website. Next, he refuses to play for Baltimore (for good reason i suppose) the public starts hating him. He shows up in Philly and starts winning (regardless of the MNF commercial) - people like him again. But now, he calls out his quarterback and asks for a new contract by saying 'i need to feed my family'. Owens reminds people again of familar antics in San Fran and why they hated him the first place.
I'm not blaming him for chasing the money, but I'm sure his family isn't hurting for money.
Funny story, my friend got his cell phone number (from the agent's son he had before Rosenhaus). We called TO several times, he is a real goofball and seemingly nice guy. He talked to my friend Ethan for 15minutes.
his voicemail said: "You have reached Terrell Owens' voicemail, unfornuately, I can not accomodate your call, but if you leave me a message I'll get back to you... and if you got my Two-Way... and it's urgent.... HIT ME."
our previous conversation on owens
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EEmain
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Yes Moron... what leverage does he have? Lurie is the capitalist, TO the employee and based on the salaries of WR, not his opinion of himself, he is getting fair market value... WR don`t make 10 mil per.. QB`s do.. And TO thinks he will be the first... from the Eagles... by blackmail..
Dwight Schrute
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Leverage? How about an MVP type season. HOw about coming back from a broken leg. How about actually doing this now to set up what he will get in the future? If the Eagles won't pay him, someone else will!!!! He has all the leverage in the world! Check out how many star athletes have held out and how many got their money! Almost ALL of them!
Actually they almost do make $10mil/year. Harrison's deal is 7 year, $67 million.
Owens made almost 9 million last year including bonus. This year he will make $3.15 million. Next year he is to recieve a $5 million roster bonus and a 2.5million option with a base salary of $770,000. The kicker is that the Eagles can cut him after this year and not pay him $7.5 million in bonues.
"The reasoning Rosenhaus says wants a new deal is that he says the Eagles can use Owens this year at a low rate and then cut him before having to pay him the large roster bonus he would be due in 2006."
He wants a larger base salary wihch is EVERY players RIGHT. He is protecting his OWN ASS! Consdiering the fact that his ankle and leg might never be 100% again he is trying to get what he can NOW. He isn't a spring chicken and WR don't last too long after 30.
Looking at the contract and the way its set up, he has a very valid point. There is a reason why players have agents and considering what his last agent did (and cost him) hiring Rosenhaus is a good move for him. He could of recieved a LOT more if he directly went into free angency last year.
I just love how everyone is an expert with other people's money.
Actually they almost do make $10mil/year. Harrison's deal is 7 year, $67 million.
Owens made almost 9 million last year including bonus. This year he will make $3.15 million. Next year he is to recieve a $5 million roster bonus and a 2.5million option with a base salary of $770,000. The kicker is that the Eagles can cut him after this year and not pay him $7.5 million in bonues.
"The reasoning Rosenhaus says wants a new deal is that he says the Eagles can use Owens this year at a low rate and then cut him before having to pay him the large roster bonus he would be due in 2006."
He wants a larger base salary wihch is EVERY players RIGHT. He is protecting his OWN ASS! Consdiering the fact that his ankle and leg might never be 100% again he is trying to get what he can NOW. He isn't a spring chicken and WR don't last too long after 30.
Looking at the contract and the way its set up, he has a very valid point. There is a reason why players have agents and considering what his last agent did (and cost him) hiring Rosenhaus is a good move for him. He could of recieved a LOT more if he directly went into free angency last year.
I just love how everyone is an expert with other people's money.
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CEDeoudes59 said:
Funny how when the Eagles got him, nobody cared about that. When he was cathcing TD's for most of the season, nobody cared about that. When he went through rehab and played in a game where he shouldn't have been on the field, nobody cared about that.
Now that its offseason and wants to actually make more than $3.15 million this year (1/3 of what Harrison will make) everyone cares about what happened 3-4 years ago with arguably the worst front office in the league (admitted by NUMEROUS players).
If I were a player I wouild hate fans attitudes at well. THey are more fickle than women and think they know more about the business end than the agents.
Did any of you boo Mcnabb when he was drafted?
You quoted:
"As for Terrell Owens, I truly doesn't believe hes a top 5 reciever anymore."
I don't want to hear any of you praise him when Andy Reid has to wear spandex this year.
Iron Warrior
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Back to the TO vs. Moss sage. TO is the guy I'd rather have despite his bitching about Mariucci and Garcia (the same guy who completed 20 passes to him in one game BTW).
1) TO will be more consistent and play his ass off for the team, hurt or not while Moss will walk off the field if he feels like it.
2) TO is a deep threat, not the same deep threat as Moss but still a very dangerous deep threat. I don't know how some people believe he is only a possession receiver, that's Keyshawn folks.
3) TO will block, thus boosting your team's ability to break a sweep for a long gain, and nothing tires a D-Line like running sweeps all day long. Moss even admits to taking plays off.
4) IF Moss loses a step then he will become an ordinary receiver because he will not be able to break tackles and get YAC.
THE MONEY ISSUE: It does suck as fan to watch these guys bitch over the difference between 45 mill and 60 mill. If you don't like it than don't buy tickets or merchandise because that's why they demand so much money. To most of us there is no huge difference but I realize these guys (NFL'ers) DON'T HAVE GUARANTEED CONTRACTS like baseball players. TO needs to realize that by sitting out training camp he will get fined, get no new contract, get in a worse situation with his teammates, and motivate a fan to kill him LOL.
1) TO will be more consistent and play his ass off for the team, hurt or not while Moss will walk off the field if he feels like it.
2) TO is a deep threat, not the same deep threat as Moss but still a very dangerous deep threat. I don't know how some people believe he is only a possession receiver, that's Keyshawn folks.
3) TO will block, thus boosting your team's ability to break a sweep for a long gain, and nothing tires a D-Line like running sweeps all day long. Moss even admits to taking plays off.
4) IF Moss loses a step then he will become an ordinary receiver because he will not be able to break tackles and get YAC.
THE MONEY ISSUE: It does suck as fan to watch these guys bitch over the difference between 45 mill and 60 mill. If you don't like it than don't buy tickets or merchandise because that's why they demand so much money. To most of us there is no huge difference but I realize these guys (NFL'ers) DON'T HAVE GUARANTEED CONTRACTS like baseball players. TO needs to realize that by sitting out training camp he will get fined, get no new contract, get in a worse situation with his teammates, and motivate a fan to kill him LOL.
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Iron Warrior said:
LOL....Right on!
There is no guaranteed money! Every NFL player is told from day 1 to get as much as you can get NOW! As I said before, the players aren't the problem, its the business that forces them to act this way.
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Which is why he hired Rosenhaus and fired the Joseph, whom frankly should have been fired for scrweing up paperwork last year that almost had him playing for the Ravens.Bobo said:
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It also forced him a bit into the contract he has now. He could have got a better contract and probably more money if he went directly into free agency. THat is the pay day all these athletes look for. ITs there chance to really bring in the dough and it was bascially erased by his former agent.
natedogg
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No one doubts TO's abilities. But a contract is a contract. He has NO leg to stand on. If the owner doesn't want to give in, then too bad TO. He's just drawing more negative attention to himself. I still can't get over the "feed my family" comments. That **** cracks me up everytime.
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EEmain said:
Harrison's money for the most part is guaranteed. Owens money is not considering he already had one career threatening injury. They can void almost 7.5 million of that if they choose too.
I would want it changed if I were Owens.
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natedogg said:
A contract is a contract? Give me a break. A contract means **** all in professional sports.
If he doens't want to give in, then he will get out of the contract VERY easily. You think the EAgles are going to pay a guy that much, take up salary cap room for a guy who doens't want to be there? Wake up and smell the concrete.
You guys need to stop looking at it from a fan perspective (fantasy land) and start looking at the reality of the situation. You guys got your heads buried in the sand.
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EEmain said:
I bet you a million dollars you would change your tune and he would be God again.
I judge the guy for what he does on the field, not because he wants more money.
Oh what an evil thing!!!!! Shame on Owens for wanting more money!!!
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EEmain said:
Are you kidding me? To save 7.5 million for a player who MIGHT have only one good leg you damn right they will. Wonder if doens't come back from his injury this year? Wonder if he is about 75% of what he was? You think the Eagles are going to pay out those options? Why do you tihnk they didn't sign Douglas 3 years ago? Bad knee and it showed after he signed that large contract with Jacksonville. When it comes to inuries the Eagles shy away everytime. They have a history of it. If I am the player I get what I can NOW. I look at the league and see how many recievers stay at a pro bowl level after they turn 30. How do the Eagles treat older players? They dump them no matter who you are.
Its a smart business move all the way around and the only reason you don't see it is because it goes against your beloved Eagles. You emotions get in the way of good business practice. You don't leave 7.5 million in doubt when it comes to the NFL. You get what you can get now. Mcnabb did it, Staley did it, Trottier did it, they all do it......
Did you hate Staley when he held out?
Fans don't see it because they are jealous of the fact they don't make 7 million a year.
EEmain
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I already said I would be back on board...Bobo said:I bet you a million dollars you would change your tune and he would be God again.
I judge the guy for what he does on the field, not because he wants more money.
Oh what an evil thing!!!!! Shame on Owens for wanting more money!!!
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EEmain said:
You're killing me, you're just KILLIN ME!
:lol:
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Techinally he can't since he's a player.
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EEmain said:Bobo said:Did you hate Staley when he held out?
No he just didn't report for training camp and as a result was useless for 1/4 of the season. What a team guy!!! Last time I chekd, Owens hasn't skipped training camp but in your eyes he's held out for the season already.
Go ahead and hate Owens. Its funny that you hate him now yet will hop on board when he actually peforms. Shows what kind of rational arguement you have.
Dwight Schrute
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So now you are saying since they guy performed well, its ok for him to sit out trianing camp. So he is a team guy because he actually did what he was supposed to do.
Ok, I get it now.
And Reid sat him because he wans't in game shape. Duce stated it himself. That is what happens when you skip all of training camp.
Ok, I get it now.
And Reid sat him because he wans't in game shape. Duce stated it himself. That is what happens when you skip all of training camp.
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Duce skipped training camp for more money when he had a contract. He does well when he playes so he is a team guy (even though he left the next year for more money).
Owens hasn't skipped training camp, put up MVP numbers last year and he is the devil because he wants more money.
That makes sense.
Owens hasn't skipped training camp, put up MVP numbers last year and he is the devil because he wants more money.
That makes sense.
EEmain
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No you are saying this.. along with your OOO so rational.. I did my job now give me more money
because someone else got a raise so I deserve more and the next time I will want more and maybe I got hurt
so give me more and my money isn`t gaureenteed so give me more and I am the best at my posittion so give me more
and the fact that I have a contract menas nothing so give me more and welll just give me more..
because someone else got a raise so I deserve more and the next time I will want more and maybe I got hurt
so give me more and my money isn`t gaureenteed so give me more and I am the best at my posittion so give me more
and the fact that I have a contract menas nothing so give me more and welll just give me more..
Dwight Schrute
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Yeah, its called business in professional sports. Its rational because that is how it works in REALITY. You arguemnt has so many twists, turns and inconsistencies because its going against your beloved Eagles therefore anythinh that goes against your beloved Eagles (which come before God and family) is wrong. Rationality? I think not. Emotional blindness? Definetly.
Dwight Schrute
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If he puts up the same numbers, no they won't. But the point is nobody knows and as a player I don't risk $7.5 million dollars on chance. I try to get as much as I can guaranteed because I am one play away from ending my career in this sport. It almost happened to him last year. That is the business and that is the reality. Hate it all you want but it will never go away and it will never change unless they get guaranteed money like other sports.
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EEmain said:
OMG...you are trully out of your mind. I don't think he is God at all, I tihnk he is protecting his ass.
You are the one hopping on every bandwagon out there. TO scores TD's, you love him. TO ask for more money, you bash him. TO scores more TD's you love him again.
Emotional BLINDNESS! The epitome of it.
I'm not emotional at all. I look at the reality of the situation. Something you should do more often instead of putting your team above God and family.
EEmain
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The reality is he has a contract that pays him fair market value.. and he has the right to not honor it... As the Eagles have the right not to pay him...
He also has the right to "Open his mouth to change feet." and I have the right to not like it... seeing as how the tickets and jerseys and caps ect I buy help pay him really well to play... not to mention my tax dollars helped pay for the stadium he plays in...
He also has the right to "Open his mouth to change feet." and I have the right to not like it... seeing as how the tickets and jerseys and caps ect I buy help pay him really well to play... not to mention my tax dollars helped pay for the stadium he plays in...
natedogg
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I'm expecting Owens to hold out until the last week of training camp, then he'll come to his senses and play. BTW, who doesn't want more money. He at least could have been truthful and said he wanted more money to spend on cars or clothes or another house or something. But coming up with that lame "feed my family" excuse just blows my mind. People bust their asses day in and day out living one day at a time, providing for their family with what little money they have and this guy has the nerve to cry about 7 million a year. Whatever dude.Bobo said:
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EEmain said:
Then don't go and don't buy their merchandise. Don't vote for the politicians that OK'ed the stadium deal.
Last time I checked, Owens had the number one selling jersey in the NFL.
Looks like a lot of people are hopping off that bandwagon....
...but they will all hop back on when he scores TD's again.
And you wonder why athletes don't give two shits about what fans think.
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natedogg said:
Yeah I can see an athlete standing up there and saying "I want more cars and more houses". Yeah that would go over REAL well.
What is even more funny is that you take what he says literally and you actually get upset about it. OTOH you do get upset about everything sports related considering you are in San Fran. I think you have more things to worry about than what TO is doing over on the East Coast.
Funny you bash TO but when it comes to Bonds you defend him to no end even though the guy flat out lies everytime he speaks in front of a mic.
"I thought it was Flaxseed Oil"
Bwhahahahahah.....
natedogg
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Yeah, I'm sad to say that SF teams are on the decline. The Niners have no where to go but up though (hopefully) and the Giants without Bonds are half the team they usually are. You have to admit, no one in professional sports makes their team better than Bonds does. And yes, I am getting tired of Bonds' bullshit. But I still believe he's one of the greatest baseball players of all time. This is where Owens and Bonds are similar. Great on the field, but total jerks off.Bobo said:
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EEmain said:
Big Ben? REFUND PLEASE!
All Philly fans are Bi-Polar. Its required by law.
modified7
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protecting his ass you say? laughableBobo said:
if he had any sort of a brain he wouldnt need to do what he is doing his ass would be protected already.
he could have doubled his fucking money with the right investments already.
but he needs that extra 20 mill huh its gonna make such a big difference in his life ? buy him some more dubs or another high priced car
maybe he is just another loser like tyson that has no clue how to manage money
its amazing how you keep trying to defend what he is doing and then you bring up staley lol was staley one year into a contract when he tried to get a new one?we both know the answer to that one ....but better yet name me one other player that has tried to get a new contract one year into the one they already have
Dwight Schrute
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Why does it matter how many years he was into the contract? If Owens former agent didn't screw up then his current contract probably wouldn't HAVE to be changed.
Name one players who's free agency was taken away due to a clerical mistake by his agent? I bet you can't name ONE.
Its amazing how blind you are. Laughable? No, that is you criticizing someone who wants more money.
I bring up Staley because he done more by holding out of a training camp than Owens has. Owends didn't go to a minicamp and hasn't missed training camp OR a game yet you want to criticize him like he's held out the season already.
I have already have this arguement over the last 3 pages so if don't understnad my point you never will. You point is easily understood because its the typical fan criticinzing a millionaire for wanting more money.
...I bet if you were just as rich you wouldn't give two shits about it.
The arguement has been beaten to death and you arne't changing my opinion. I deal with reality and how business tkaes place, not some fantasy world that you are obvisouly in.
Name one players who's free agency was taken away due to a clerical mistake by his agent? I bet you can't name ONE.
Its amazing how blind you are. Laughable? No, that is you criticizing someone who wants more money.
I bring up Staley because he done more by holding out of a training camp than Owens has. Owends didn't go to a minicamp and hasn't missed training camp OR a game yet you want to criticize him like he's held out the season already.
I have already have this arguement over the last 3 pages so if don't understnad my point you never will. You point is easily understood because its the typical fan criticinzing a millionaire for wanting more money.
...I bet if you were just as rich you wouldn't give two shits about it.
The arguement has been beaten to death and you arne't changing my opinion. I deal with reality and how business tkaes place, not some fantasy world that you are obvisouly in.