deepseajs
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Ya bro make sure you have all your ancillaries before you start. You will need them
Q and A for Olympus labs TR3ST
- Thread starter edje007
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Ya bro make sure you have all your ancillaries before you start. You will need them
reps4jesus
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Idk about TD. I used oral. And in which case use 100mg. Why use as high of a dose as me? iv done more cycles than I can count and I'm 240 pounds. I highly doubt you need the same amount of gear to grow that I do.
Ill do 2-3 more trest cycles in the future and probably lose a bottle or two to a buddy. Not to mention that's pocket change compared to what HGH costs me.
No I always run test and eq as well. 1g test and 500mg eq week as well. But I've done that a million times so I know the feeling of them. I don't do oral only cycles.
gagandugan
Active member
Can oral version be used at low dose for preworkout only if stacked with something like DMZ or MSten?
abformulations
Legend
Absolutely.
ericos_bob
Active member
Appreciate the concern man but I wasn't serious about running 150mg ED. Will be running at 50 and then upping to 100 depending how cycle goes. I'm not anywhere near 240lb. 200lb at 5'11. Won't be able to run another cycle for 12 months after so hoping to make the first one count. I've heard the OL labs TD is more potent than oral? Have cel cycle support, tudca for the halo and exemestane on hand for trest. The usual PCT nolva+clomid. I've read a few horror stories about PCT with trest taking a long time for recovery.
reps4jesus
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Start at at least 75mg IMO. And theoretically it should be more potent but that doesn't always mean it is. Sounds like a good cycle. Halodrol at 75mg 8 weeks with trest at 75-100mg would be a great first cycle. Just make sure you have pharmaceutical grade clomid and nolva. That'll make recovery a whole lot easier. Good luck man.
Choppedjunior
Member
is oral trest still even available from retailers in the US?
gagandugan
Active member
^
Yes.
Yes.
ericos_bob
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Cheers for the advice. Sounds good to me. It's pharma grade SERM's. Log will go up when it gets under way
gagandugan
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50mg will do if you only want to use it as a base. More mg = more gains and possibly more sides. For pre-workout effect only - 20-30mg orally is what you need.
Brandinooooo
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Depends on your goals. If its your first cycle, then 75mg daily with be good. For a base, 50mg like said above.
If its not your first cycle and you have proper ancillaries, then 125-150
If its not your first cycle and you have proper ancillaries, then 125-150
Choppedjunior
Member
I ran 50mg of the transdermal for my first cycle, worked out fine, then upped it to 75mg. I am buying tr3st next and going to do same thing. first cycle at 50mg then maybe up for the 2nd. Everyones body is different, i rather play my cards safe then just dive right into what everyone claims is the sweet spot. but thats me.
ericos_bob
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Has anyone run trest alongside 4ad? I have a bottle of sup3r-4 elite I'd like to throw in. Waste of time?
Jebrook
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I wouldn't use it with Trest due to risk of Gyno from the combination. Trest is much stronger and will not require a test base which is pretty much the main point of 4 andro.
Brandinooooo
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I'm doing Test with my derma/oral Trest. Its good but 4-andro wouldn't be worth it imo.
The conversion to test is minimal so its not gonna make much difference alongside Trest.
Choppedjunior
Member
tr3st would cause gyno correct? so you'd need an AI
paul56778
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Yes, it converts to a potent estrogen, Pharma AI minimum e.g. such as Arimidex or Aromasin.
Synapsin
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Check out nutri-verse
Yes, make sure you have an anti-e to use because it could cause gyno
Synapsin
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Are you running trest alone?
Synapsin
Well-known member
50 mg for 60 days would be a good base then
It'll be sorta like taking test solo, great gains
Synapsin
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TD is way better than oral IMO. I would use oral for preworkout
Synapsin
Well-known member
Ah yes. Well you'll like TD much more imo. Be sure to be careful when applying it, etc.
abformulations
Legend
I like oral pre workout and Td four hours after dosing the oral. 
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gagandugan
Active member
^
This.
This.
Brandinooooo
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I prefer having td in the morning then the pwo spike then td about 4 hours afterI like oral pre workout and Td four hours after dosing the oral.
BrownBoi
New member
Looking for advice on the upcoming cycle. Let me know what you guys think, I'm open to tweaks.
Stack
I will use orange triad throughout.
Week 1 - cycle support
Week 2 - cycle support, 50 mg trest, 50 mg dermatrest, armicare pro, armidex 12.5 eod
Week 3 - cycle support, 50 mg trest, 50 mg dermatrest, armicare pro, armidex 12.5 eod
Week 4 - cycle support, 50 mg trest, 50 mg dermatrest, armicare pro, armidex 12.5 eod
Week 5 - cycle support, 50 mg trest, 50 mg dermatrest, armicare pro, armidex 12.5 eod, dermacrine
Week 6 - cycle support, 50 mg trest, 50 mg dermatrest, armicare pro, armidex 12.5 eod, dermacrine
Week 7 - cycle support, 50 mg trest, 50 mg dermatrest, armicare pro, armidex 12.5 eod, dermacrine
PCT
- orange triad, creatine, dermacrine
Week 8 - post cycle support, clomid 50
Week 9 - post cycle support, clomid 50
Week 10 - post cycle support, clomid 25
Week 11 - post cycle support, clomid 25
Stack
I will use orange triad throughout.
Week 1 - cycle support
Week 2 - cycle support, 50 mg trest, 50 mg dermatrest, armicare pro, armidex 12.5 eod
Week 3 - cycle support, 50 mg trest, 50 mg dermatrest, armicare pro, armidex 12.5 eod
Week 4 - cycle support, 50 mg trest, 50 mg dermatrest, armicare pro, armidex 12.5 eod
Week 5 - cycle support, 50 mg trest, 50 mg dermatrest, armicare pro, armidex 12.5 eod, dermacrine
Week 6 - cycle support, 50 mg trest, 50 mg dermatrest, armicare pro, armidex 12.5 eod, dermacrine
Week 7 - cycle support, 50 mg trest, 50 mg dermatrest, armicare pro, armidex 12.5 eod, dermacrine
PCT
- orange triad, creatine, dermacrine
Week 8 - post cycle support, clomid 50
Week 9 - post cycle support, clomid 50
Week 10 - post cycle support, clomid 25
Week 11 - post cycle support, clomid 25
kelso312
Member
I dont see why you would need dermacrine. Trest is not going to make you feel lethargic. And definitely dont use dermacrine during PCT.
Because Trest is aromatizes heavily I would consider running Nolva PCT. You can still use clomid but Clomid plus Nolva would be better.
kelso312
Member
Run the arimidex from day 1. Trest aromatises to 7-alpha-methyl-estradiol which will has a higher binding affinity than other forms. So nip it in the bud and run the arimidex. I have read some guys run a low dose of nolva while on trest to keep it from binding others run Letro with it - which I think is excessive. Point being use your AI from day 1.
Brandinooooo has a log up about his Trest run. Maybe he will crack an egg of knowledge on our heads here.
I will let the reps comment on the on cycle products.
Brandinooooo
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I ran ar1micare pro as my cycle support. No need for dermacrine like Kelso said.
Your planning on taking the whole daily dose of ar1micare right?
I would definitely run nolva during pct as it will block the estrogen receptors in your titties.
BrownBoi
New member
Are you saying run 6.25 aromasin/exem everyday? Or just EOD? Take before bed? Thanks in advance
Jebrook
Well-known member
EOD dosing is fine due to the very long half-life. Dosage timing is inconsequential as well for the same reason.
BrownBoi
New member
Awesome, thanks. Based on what other threads and experiences, I think I'm going to go with 15 EOD. I don't wana mess w gyno. How does my pct look?
Jebrook
Well-known member
Looks fine. Trest causes extreme shutdown so if you experience lowered libido afterwards, adding Kingsblood would really help, but Clomid is great for the 'ol coin purse
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BrownBoi
New member
Looks fine. Trest causes extreme shutdown so if you experience lowered libido afterwards, adding Kingsblood would really help, but Clomid is great for the 'ol coin purse
Hmmmmm half are suggesting clomid and the other half nolva.....
Jebrook
Well-known member
It's a personal preference. Both are extremely effective and each has unique pros and cons. The Nolva/Clomid debate has been around forever and usually devolves into "Broscience theory 101". As long as you use a SERM you will recover just fine.
gagandugan
Active member
It doesn't matter, really. Clomid might be faster at boosting test, but slightly less effective at controlling estrogen. I think people might get more emotional sides (and/or headache) with Clomid also. You generally feel nothing while taking Nolva. In any case, it's personal preference, both work very well in PCT.
ericos_bob
Active member
I run nolva+clomid. If you're going to fork out the cash for Nolva why not spend the extra few cents to supersize your PCT with clomid. i have run both solo in the past and was equally happy with the results. No sides with nolva or clomid. Both will get the family jewels plump in short order.