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Q and A for Olympus labs EP1C

crowbar46 said:
Just wanted to comment that I've started Epic--this is my second day. I'm taking 2 caps/day as of now, then I'll decide if I want to continue with 2/day or go down to a single cap/day.

Today I did a short conditioning session, but it's too soon to know anything. Two things I have noticed are:

1) Increased heat production after taking a dose
2) today I seem to be particularly tired. I seem to recall other people mentioning in another thread that Epi seems to (initially?) cause this effect. Can anyone shed any light on this--am I remembering correctly?

The tiredness could be from a number of factors, so It's very hard to connect it with the Epi, specifically; However, the increased heat production is both consistent and makes sense.

Crowbar
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Why would you use two caps? It has 300 mg of epi per cap thats a full daily dose of epi in pretty sure.
 
crowbar46 said:
Just wanted to comment that I've started Epic--this is my second day. I'm taking 2 caps/day as of now, then I'll decide if I want to continue with 2/day or go down to a single cap/day.

Today I did a short conditioning session, but it's too soon to know anything. Two things I have noticed are:

1) Increased heat production after taking a dose
2) today I seem to be particularly tired. I seem to recall other people mentioning in another thread that Epi seems to (initially?) cause this effect. Can anyone shed any light on this--am I remembering correctly?

The tiredness could be from a number of factors, so It's very hard to connect it with the Epi, specifically; However, the increased heat production is both consistent and makes sense.

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Thanks for the update man! Do keep us very posted!

slimsaw00 said:
Mine was supposed to be here today. . . . according to my tracking which was updated on July 8th, its still in NJ. Hurry up mail-man!!

Think I'll email Nutri-verse see if they can tell me where it is. . .

-Matt
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Dvill23 said:
Nutriverse will see the same info that you're seeing. I got mine today maybe you'll see it tomorrow.
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keepingtheblade said:
I would give it a day or two before panic. My order said nj for a few days straight but I got it today.
More than likely its fine.

KTB
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Guys KEEP US POSTED! !!

fightnews said:
What kind r you using? im peeing my pants waiting for mine
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This is an OL thread brotha, so he's using EP1C, which is obvy going to be Epic sauce!

Contaygious said:
Mine doesn't ship til friday they said since the first batch sold out like a wild fire,
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Dude keep us posted for sure, right here in this thread!

Hockeyaus33 said:
Why would you use two caps? It has 300 mg of epi per cap thats a full daily dose of epi in pretty sure.
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You know peeps have to push the envelope lol!
 
Crap I just looked at ep1c directions and I guess it does state 2 caps a day. Is 2 really necessary? Follidrex for example only has it at 150 mg a day. I weigh 210 lb....
 
Hockeyaus33 said:
Crap I just looked at ep1c directions and I guess it does state 2 caps a day. Is 2 really necessary? Follidrex for example only has it at 150 mg a day. I weigh 210 lb....
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assess it at one capsule per day and then move up if need be
 
The reason I'm using 2 caps/day is to sort of load my system; I may or may not back down to 1 cap/day. Also, all the studies I looked at used twice/day dosing. This has to be for a reason; probably because epi has a fast MCR (metabolic clearance rate). For all I know some of it's effects may be dependent on keeping blood levels elevated longer than a single dose is capable of. Further, just because a particular dosage was used in studies doesn't mean that that is the optimal dosage. It could be more--or less--than used in the studies.

Having said that, the only way to access whether 2 caps/day has any added ergogenic effect over 1 cap/day, is to back down to 1 cap/day and after a couple of weeks go up to 2 caps/day.

Crowbar
 
Ok, today was F#@#@@ BRUTAL!

Let me back up and explain what I'm doing:

1) I'm 52yo (about to turn 53); I've been training for 30 years
2) I'm cutting right now. I'm running about a 500Kcal/day deficit
3) I'm using strength-oriented curcuit training
4) I'm about 6 weeks back from a 3 month lay-off (due to a minor health issue)
5) my workout looks like:

Warm-Up: Kettlebell swings (40lbs.), empty bar snatch-grip High Pulls, Dead/Squat (225X3, 275X2, 295X1)

FIRST REP OF EVERY SET: 6 Sec. accentuated eccentric

1a) Dead/Squat: (hybrid lift done with a specialized bar or, in my case, a large trap bar)
335X5; 335X5; 355X3; 355X3

2a) D.B. (incline) Bench Press:
95X5; 95X5; 100X3; 100X3

3a) Snatch-Grip High Pull:
185X3; 185X3; 195X1; 195X1

4a) D.B. (standing) Alternating Shoulder Press:
65X5; 65X5; 70X3; 70X3

5a) Lat Pulldown (pronated grip):
210X5; 210X5; 220X3; 220X3

So, this is done curcuit fashion: no (or VERY LITTLE) rest between movements.
When I can complete the entire workout (including warm-up sets) in UNDER 30 min. I add weight to the next workout.
2 workouts ago I completed it in 28 min., so LAST workout I upped the weights to what you see above--I completed the workout in 35 min., so no going up in weight yet.
THIS workout (today) with the same weights as above was BRUTAL...I literally could not finish my training today! My breathing was extremely labored and I simply ran into MUSCULAR FAILURE. Now that's significant, as the weights used are WELL within my strength limits.

Here's what I think is going on:

1) Epi is causing the body to switch over to burning a relatively greater proportion of stored body fat for fuel (and therefore less carbs).
2) untill your body adapts to this through whatever mechanism(s) Epi is working through, your endurance and strength can suffer.
3) I say "can", because depending on what type of training you're doing I believe this effect will be greater or less.
4) this effect will be more noticible with the type of very intense, short-rest-interval, training I'm currently engaged in; it should be less noticible with training using longer rest intervals.
5) EVENTUALLY, however, I think Epi should really shine for preciesly the type of training I'm currently engaged in.


Crowbar
 
I'm excited for this stuff. I planned on taking a bit of a break from supplements to save some $$$ but this epicatechin craze has got my attention. It looks like Olympus is keeping this product well stocked at a few retailers, well played guys.
 
Hockeyaus33 said:
Crap I just looked at ep1c directions and I guess it does state 2 caps a day. Is 2 really necessary? Follidrex for example only has it at 150 mg a day. I weigh 210 lb....
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follidrex says take 2 if you're over 200
 
doogans said:
I'm excited for this stuff. I planned on taking a bit of a break from supplements to save some $$$ but this epicatechin craze has got my attention. It looks like Olympus is keeping this product well stocked at a few retailers, well played guys.
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What good is it if you can't get it? We're just delivering what the customers want brother. Glad you approve =)
 
fightnews said:
follidrex says take 2 if you're over 200
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True but follidrex is only 150 mg per cap. 2 a day= 300 mg. There is 300 mg in one capsule of epic. So im still not sure what the point of taking 2 capsules of epic would be. Either the other epi clones are underdosed or olympus labs is directing you to take two capsules so that you go through the bottle faster but they can still advertise their product having the most epi per container, or no one knows what the correct dose of epi is so we are all just taking a shot in the dark
 
Epi is still pretty new so nothing is known to be absolute just yet as far as my understanding goes of it and it's dosing. I have a friend running it at 1 a day and he says it's great at that. He tried 2 and said he just had way to much energy. I'm gonna start at 1 a day for 2 weeks then bump to 2 a day and see if I notice a change. That's what I'd suggest to anyone but that just my opinion.
 
Spaniard said:
We're in total agreement with this philosophy and have conducted ourselves with that in mind :) As an aside, each comment like this furthers the conversation. Let's just stay the course and continue with our positive professionalism. Everyone of our products speak for themselves.
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Spaniard how long have been taking these products you represent ? Curious. Seems like your rather new to O L?
 
Mission1 said:
Spaniard how long have been taking these products you represent ? Curious. Seems like your rather new to O L?
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He's been on board for over 2 months and OL has not even been around for a year yet. Spaniard is an all natural athlete so the majority of our skus do not fit his tastes, however with that being said he believes in our company's philosophy / integrity.
 
Hockeyaus33 said:
True but follidrex is only 150 mg per cap. 2 a day= 300 mg. There is 300 mg in one capsule of epic. So im still not sure what the point of taking 2 capsules of epic would be. Either the other epi clones are underdosed or olympus labs is directing you to take two capsules so that you go through the bottle faster but they can still advertise their product having the most epi per container, or no one knows what the correct dose of epi is so we are all just taking a shot in the dark
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There is no baseline for 'most effective' amount of epi just yet. The sponsored and unsponsored logs will help to create a baseline
 
Mission1 said:
Spaniard how long have been taking these products you represent ? Curious. Seems like your rather new to O L?
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I've been with OL for a few months now like I said in my response to the PM you sent me. And like I said in the PM don't worry about the size of the DermaStrength bottles you have on hand, they contain the specified amounts :)

Let's see, how long have I been using them? Well, creatine (CONQU3R) since I was 17 (not recommended at that age), Agmatine, Citrulline Malate, and Beta Alanine (CONQU3R) about 3 years, Caffeine (CONQU3R) probably since I was about 3. My grandma took a really cute picture of me when I was a toddler haha! I got into her private Pepsi stash and slammed some of her 2 liter lol! I was a little trouble maker since I was born ;)

EP1C? Like I've stated in every post that I've commented on in regards to it, I haven't had the opportunity to try it yet since it just came out last week lol! And it was such a daunting task to try and pick it up from other companies selling epicatechin. I do however have two bottles of EP1C containing 300 mg of Epicatechin in route currently, along with a whole host of other people! Exciting to say the least!!!

DermaStrength, again, just came out but I just picked up my package with it in there today, which again super excited!!

CONQU3R ****ing rocks bro! I have used it a ton of times and is my favorite pre!

I don't comment on personal use of any hormone use or their corresponding ancillaries for career reasons.

What other products would you like to know if I've tried?
 
Oh and AR1MACARE :) (Arimistane)
 
Spaniard said:
For its intended purpose (E control), I prefer Formestane, which is NBD since we have both =)
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Isn't that considered crossing the natural line? Not judging I don't think it is. To me unnatural is using true steroids, injecting or using powerful methylated prohormones
 
fightnews said:
Isn't that considered crossing the natural line? Not judging I don't think it is. To me unnatural is using true steroids, injecting or using powerful methylated prohormones
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Nah, it's just estrogen control. Not unlike using Arimidex etc.
 
Ok, a little update. Today (Sun. 07/13/14) is my 5th day on Epic. Today's training went much better than last time! So to recap, I increased my weights 2 workouts ago. Whenever I do this it always initially increases the time it takes to complete my strength-oriented curcuit training (my workout is outline on the prevoius page). So, 2 workouts ago my time when from 28 min., to 35 min. with the increase in weight. The next workout (3 days into Epic) was brutal-I could not finish the workout. Today, however, I felt much better. My breathing was not nearly as labored, and I finished in 29 min.--a drop of 6 mins. from my last (completed) workout with these weights.

I'm running a 500-600Kcal/day deficit, and was starting to feel a little burned out. I was thinking of switching training styles for a short break from the very intense strength circuits; however, I think now I'll ride this a little longer and see if the Epi is going to make a difference to this type of training.

Again, a very consistent effect is an increase in body heat after a dose of Epic. This seems to be much more pronounced with my second dose of the day, taken 1/2 hour before a meal. My first dose is taken on an empty stomach first thing in the morning, as I train 90 min. after waking. The Epic seems to increase the TEF (thermic effect of feeding) from a meal? If Epi works anything like EGCG, it, too, my be increasing endogenous production of adrenaline and noradrenaline. I also seem a bit "amped" or "wired" after my second dose--almost a little aggresive.

Crowbar
 
crowbar46 said:
Ok, a little update. Today (Sun. 07/13/14) is my 5th day on Epic. Today's training went much better than last time! So to recap, I increased my weights 2 workouts ago. Whenever I do this it always initially increases the time it takes to complete my strength-oriented curcuit training (my workout is outline on the prevoius page). So, 2 workouts ago my time when from 28 min., to 35 min. with the increase in weight. The next workout (3 days into Epic) was brutal-I could not finish the workout. Today, however, I felt much better. My breathing was not nearly as labored, and I finished in 29 min.--a drop of 6 mins. from my last (completed) workout with these weights.

I'm running a 500-600Kcal/day deficit, and was starting to feel a little burned out. I was thinking of switching training styles for a short break from the very intense strength circuits; however, I think now I'll ride this a little longer and see if the Epi is going to make a difference to this type of training.

Again, a very consistent effect is an increase in body heat after a dose of Epic. This seems to be much more pronounced with my second dose of the day, taken 1/2 hour before a meal. My first dose is taken on an empty stomach first thing in the morning, as I train 90 min. after waking. The Epic seems to increase the TEF (thermic effect of feeding) from a meal? If Epi works anything like EGCG, it, too, my be increasing endogenous production of adrenaline and noradrenaline. I also seem a bit "amped" or "wired" after my second dose--almost a little aggresive.

Crowbar
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Great! Please continue updating us
 
crowbar46 said:
Ok, a little update. Today (Sun. 07/13/14) is my 5th day on Epic. Today's training went much better than last time! So to recap, I increased my weights 2 workouts ago. Whenever I do this it always initially increases the time it takes to complete my strength-oriented curcuit training (my workout is outline on the prevoius page). So, 2 workouts ago my time when from 28 min., to 35 min. with the increase in weight. The next workout (3 days into Epic) was brutal-I could not finish the workout. Today, however, I felt much better. My breathing was not nearly as labored, and I finished in 29 min.--a drop of 6 mins. from my last (completed) workout with these weights.

I'm running a 500-600Kcal/day deficit, and was starting to feel a little burned out. I was thinking of switching training styles for a short break from the very intense strength circuits; however, I think now I'll ride this a little longer and see if the Epi is going to make a difference to this type of training.

Again, a very consistent effect is an increase in body heat after a dose of Epic. This seems to be much more pronounced with my second dose of the day, taken 1/2 hour before a meal. My first dose is taken on an empty stomach first thing in the morning, as I train 90 min. after waking. The Epic seems to increase the TEF (thermic effect of feeding) from a meal? If Epi works anything like EGCG, it, too, my be increasing endogenous production of adrenaline and noradrenaline. I also seem a bit "amped" or "wired" after my second dose--almost a little aggresive.

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i dont notice ant body heat effect
 
I tried follidrone, I want to try ep1c too.

my only doubt is that follidrone have 500mg epicatechin per cap, while ep1c only 300mg. What's the differences?
 
gianlol said:
I tried follidrone, I want to try ep1c too.

my only doubt is that follidrone have 500mg epicatechin per cap, while ep1c only 300mg. What's the differences?
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Follidrone does not have 500mg of (-)-epicatechin per cap. It has 500mg of (-)-epicatechin and rice flour (filler) per cap.
 
halfhuman said:
First thing in the morning
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Thanks bro. Halfhuman I was reading some of your log. I didn't have time to read it all. Overall, would you say epichatechin increases strength in the 5x5 range? How long did it take epichatechin to fully "kick in" for you?
Thanks
 
gianlol said:
You right, JW has it, but 55+11 uk pounds is really high! Perhaps I will order from nutriverse, and hope the customs not hold it...
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Just ordered 1x Epic 1 x dermatrest 2x transform And 1x dermastrength all in all = 250£ !
Hope Its worth it:)
 
Here are some early reviews from nutriverse from verified buyers:

1.
great recuperation after just a week of use


2.

Seem like it is good although it has only been a week would like to continue with the whole bottle to see results

3.

waiting to see results after a full cycle. Notice recovery improvements within the first week.

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Yes EP1C is looking like it will become well EPIC!
 
how are people dosing this? i'm looking to stack with myosynergy - am thinking ep1c on waking and myosynergy pre workout. should i do this or take both together pre workout?
 
glennabolic said:
how are people dosing this? i'm looking to stack with myosynergy - am thinking ep1c on waking and myosynergy pre workout. should i do this or take both together pre workout?
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Just added Ep1c at one cap with my Myosynergy a week ago,1 hour pre workout. Workouts have been insanium in the cranium.
 
Olympus Labs said:
I also personally like the preworkout dosing.
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I have a question. I ordered from nutriverse for the presale. They were awesome and shipped quick, but USPS f**ked up hard and sent it to the wrong country and now it's back in US, so I wont have it until Friday or Monday. I go home to NY for a family visit on Aug 10, so the most time I would have on EP1C is about 3 weeks. Would it be worth it, or should I just wait until I come back? FWIW I just came off an anabeta+forsk+7OH run and I am still taking the forsk and 7OH at the moment. Thanks!
 
tyrub42 said:
I have a question. I ordered from nutriverse for the presale. They were awesome and shipped quick, but USPS f**ked up hard and sent it to the wrong country and now it's back in US, so I wont have it until Friday or Monday. I go home to NY for a family visit on Aug 10, so the most time I would have on EP1C is about 3 weeks. Would it be worth it, or should I just wait until I come back? FWIW I just came off an anabeta+forsk+7OH run and I am still taking the forsk and 7OH at the moment. Thanks!
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you can ask them to hold it till Aug 10th and then ship it to you in NY
 
Here is your chance to save some serious money if you want to try EP1C!

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Olympus Labs said:
you can ask them to hold it till Aug 10th and then ship it to you in NY
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Definitely would have been a good idea in retrospect, but I think it's out of the country again by now (hasn't had a tracking update since Monday, so I am guessing it's at TW customs now and will get here today or tomorrow). So what do you think about that timing? If it gets here today or tomorrow, should I use it for 3 weeks, or just hold it until I come back? I am super excited to try it, but not sure if a 3-week run would be smart for this compound. Thanks!
 
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