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Q & A for Olympus Labs Str3ngth & DermaStr3ngth Unleashed

Tried the syringe option. Gets way too messy. Not far off what comes out in the pump anyways to be honest I don't think ill bother

Spilt a bit so soaked most of it up and got hot flushes and a headache! So maybe this does affect BP
 
Was wondering.

If laxo helps with cortisol would it be beneficial to swap out a run of lets say Lean xtreme or Reduce xt instead.

Or are those products much better at lowering cortisol ?

Thanks
 
michaelcleo said:
Was wondering.

If laxo helps with cortisol would it be beneficial to swap out a run of lets say Lean xtreme or Reduce xt instead.

Or are those products much better at lowering cortisol ?

Thanks
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You could swap that out and also include a cap or two of LJ100 (which has solid data on reducing cortisol).

Reduced cortisol, mood and energy enhancement, gainz.
 
Thanks Kboxer7.

That's good to know, for a few £ more it's certainly sounds worth it compared to other cortisol control products.
 
Just ordered 2 bottles of Derma Strength Unleashed to use during PCT stacked with Triumph.

Is 8 weeks worth enough for a decent run or is it best to push past and go for 12 weeks.
 
paul56778 said:
Just ordered 2 bottles of Derma Strength Unleashed to use during PCT stacked with Triumph.

Is 8 weeks worth enough for a decent run or is it best to push past and go for 12 weeks.
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8 weeks is a solid run bro. I'm on my 3rd bottle of SU at the moment. If it treats you well feel free to run it for longer.
 
Did you use in PCT, and what are the main things you started to notice, does this product take 2 weeks to start having any real effect.
 
paul56778 said:
Did you use in PCT, and what are the main things you started to notice, does this product take 2 weeks to start having any real effect.
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The biggest benefit for me is joint comfort by far. The recomp/nutrient partitioning is working well although I was on a stack when I started it so I can't attribute it all to SU. I'm currently taking it whilst on a ph/ds cut cycle and will continue through PCT. The main thing for me is the joint benefit which seems to happen to a fair number of users. It's one of the few things that seems to help me. 7-10 days would probably be enough to start noticing things for me.
 
paul56778 said:
Did you use in PCT, and what are the main things you started to notice, does this product take 2 weeks to start having any real effect.
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Recomp and re-partitioning effects were the biggest indicators for me (only ran the DSU version so far). I noticed by the end of my first bottle, and continued for a 12 week run. First couple weeks I was a bit skeptical tbh because its not an "in your face" or acute change. But by the end of the first bottle it was wholly apparent that it had a fairly dramatic effect (for a natty sup).

Over time vascularity and definition improved to a noticeable degree despite the same diet.
 
If using dermaStr3ngth in PCT would it be good to start a week before. Are people experiencing the same sides from the derma version as the caps. I loved the results from the orals but the headaches are a little ridiculous.
 
contact13 said:
If using dermaStr3ngth in PCT would it be good to start a week before. Are people experiencing the same sides from the derma version as the caps. I loved the results from the orals but the headaches are a little ridiculous.
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Are those questions or statements? Ha
 
contact13 said:
If using dermaStr3ngth in PCT would it be good to start a week before. Are people experiencing the same sides from the derma version as the caps. I loved the results from the orals but the headaches are a little ridiculous.
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No need to start a week before. No headaches on DSU for me but have not taken the caps.
 
contact13 said:
If using dermaStr3ngth in PCT would it be good to start a week before. Are people experiencing the same sides from the derma version as the caps. I loved the results from the orals but the headaches are a little ridiculous.
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I had headaches for a few days in the first week and then they went away. I was using DSU. My dosing was 100mg split between am/pm.
 
Headaches should be less of an issue with the TD, but I still get them with DSU at high doses, though not right away. Usually starts 2 weeks in, but gets better with extra hydration.
 
Just received another 2 bottles of Str3ngth unleashed.
Been doing 1 am 1 pm.

Now for the moment money isn't a problem and summer is just around the corner so i'll ask this.....

2 caps vs 4 caps ?

All caps pre workout or spread through the day ?.

Currently stacking

Ignit3 3 caps upon waking 3 caps pm ( 2x from usa £40 )
Xfactor at 6 caps pwo + Neuropump + Athletix High Volume ( on offer at £10 ) + 1g Lclt
Compete intra workout 2g lclt
Myosynergy 5 caps pwo ( £20 offer )
Massterone ( -epi ) 4 caps split 2 caps am 2 caps pm ( this is on offer at uk shop for £7.99 )
Str3ngth Unleashed 1 cap pwo 1 cap pm
Lean xtreme 1 cap before bed ( free )
Alphamax xt 2 caps pwo 2 caps am

Upon waking its about 90 minutes before I hit gym so I stagger the pwo stack and don't pop it all at once.


I have around 5 weeks before parts of the stack start to die out and i'll be finished in 6 weeks 100%.
I do 6 day lifting plan and in the last few weeks people are commenting on my change so things are going to plan.

I've used everything before, most of the items in the stack I got on offer so it wasn't very expensive at all, maybe £400/£450 all in for a 3 month cycle

I'm...
5'10
165lbs
Roughly 200g protein
Roughly 250g carbs
Don't count anything else.
Strength is going up and fats coming off.

Cheeky photo from this morning, leg day.
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I'm allways open to advice.
Thanks
 
^^^ I would try 3 caps (2 am, 1 pm) first for a week or so to see if there is a noticeable and significant step change before moving to 4. More is not always better and you might experience diminishing returns. This way allows you to do a cost to benefit assessment.
 
michaelcleo

I like my laxo split into doses throughout the day in either an AM/PM split, or an AM/NOON/PM split. For this reason I typically use DSU as it absorbs over time and I can get away with applying 2x daily.

Like GNO said, its always best to use the lowest effective dose for you personally. For that reason I echo his idea of jumping to 3 caps first, then 4 if warranted.

High oral doses are also more likely to cause headaches, so stay hydrated.
 
I experienced headaches and diarrhea from the caps. I Loved the results though so I stuck it out. I'm running the derma version in PCT now and experienceing no sides at all! I've kept all my strength from my Hdrol and Trest run.
 
contact13 said:
I experienced headaches and diarrhea from the caps. I Loved the results though so I stuck it out. I'm running the derma version in PCT now and experienceing no sides at all! I've kept all my strength from my Hdrol and Trest run.
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DSU and EU may just be my fav natty supps of ALL TIME
 
I've had laxogen from another company and honestly got nothing from it , but I see too many good reviews on it, do you guys think I could just be a non responder or would be better trying another brand like OL ? (I do think OL is a better company but to get nothing from the first try I'm wondering if it'd be possible to get nothing from any brand)
 
Alpha1agreda said:
I've had laxogen from another company and honestly got nothing from it , but I see too many good reviews on it, do you guys think I could just be a non responder or would be better trying another brand like OL ? (I do think OL is a better company but to get nothing from the first try I'm wondering if it'd be possible to get nothing from any brand)
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I swear on all my gainz that I too thought Laxo was a joke before DSU.

There is a problem with quality, absorption and bioavailability with most Laxo supps...hence the crappy results for most.
 
Alpha1agreda said:
I've had laxogen from another company and honestly got nothing from it , but I see too many good reviews on it, do you guys think I could just be a non responder or would be better trying another brand like OL ? (I do think OL is a better company but to get nothing from the first try I'm wondering if it'd be possible to get nothing from any brand)
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Not an uncommon experience to get little to no benefit from Laxogenin. However, the absorption enhancer in STR3NGTH UNLEASHED & DERMASTRENGTH UNLEASHED - PhytpFUSE(TM) - makes a world of difference. Go back to the beginning of the thread and check out the official write-up.

There is also a lot of great user feedback on STR3NGTH UNLEASHED & DERMASTRENGTH UNLEASHED. I absolutely love DSU!
 
kboxer7 said:
I swear on all my gainz that I too thought Laxo was a joke before DSU.

There is a problem with quality, absorption and bioavailability with most Laxo supps...hence the crappy results for most.
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Lol damn I have to trust it if you swear it on the gains haha

GNO said:
Not an uncommon experience to get little to no benefit from Laxogenin. However, the absorption enhancer in STR3NGTH UNLEASHED & DERMASTRENGTH UNLEASHED - PhytpFUSE(TM) - makes a world of difference. Go back to the beginning of the thread and check out the official write-up.

There is also a lot of great user feedback on STR3NGTH UNLEASHED & DERMASTRENGTH UNLEASHED. I absolutely love DSU!
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Thanks bros, Yes I actually had read it lol I know I can trust OL , quickly became hooked on the company , was more wondering if it's possible to not respond to laxo period I guess I'll have to order some dsu and compare haha
 
Alpha1agreda said:
Thanks bros, Yes I actually had read it lol I know I can trust OL , quickly became hooked on the company , was more wondering if it's possible to not respond to laxo period I guess I'll have to order some dsu and compare haha
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Always a possibility, but def worth a try!
 
thanks guys, I must be blind, whats the half life on Laxo ?

I'll split this week into 3 then.
Still the same dosage times, 2 am pwo, 1 pm .
 
With DSU, what when do you notice changes in recomping, and overall strength, i have been using it for 2 weeks now, this is day 14, i have maintained all of my strength from my 8 week run with halodrol and tr3n, , next week is my 3rd week of pct.
 
paul56778 said:
With DSU, what when do you notice changes in recomping, and overall strength, i have been using it for 2 weeks now, this is day 14, i have maintained all of my strength from my 8 week run with halodrol and tr3n, , next week is my 3rd week of pct.
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I started mine in PCTas well so it is a bit to tough to pinpoint the exact time since you are in a transition period and other variables are in play. As you have experienced, I maintained all my strength gains and in fact got stronger. That alone sold me.

I would say, based off my experience, recomp benefits hit around week 2. I would recommend a min 8 week run if possible... really shines week 4-6 which where I am at now.
 
GNO said:
I started mine in PCTas well so it is a bit to tough to pinpoint the exact time since you are in a transition period and other variables are in play. As you have experienced, I maintained all my strength gains and in fact got stronger. That alone sold me.

I would say, based off my experience, recomp benefits hit around week 2. I would recommend a min 8 week run if possible... really shines week 4-6 which where I am at now.
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I plan on using it for 12-16 weeks,
 
paul56778 said:
With DSU, what when do you notice changes in recomping, and overall strength, i have been using it for 2 weeks now, this is day 14, i have maintained all of my strength from my 8 week run with halodrol and tr3n, , next week is my 3rd week of pct.
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For me I was skeptical going in. As stated, I've not had the best experiences with Laxo in the past.

Around week two I noticed a marginal improvement in recovery and slightly better muscle fullness but was still on the fence tbh. It was not until the end of week 3 (so day 21 ish) that I really began to see a very noticeable difference in definition and vascularity. I even had a few people make remarks.

As for strength increases, I can't say that there was a moment where I said to myself, "man this stuff has really improved my strength," but my overall volume/workload increased, recovery between workouts improved, and I experienced a pretty dramatic effect on body composition given that this is a "natty" supplement.

For those wanting to give DSU a shot, I always suggest a minimum of two bottles, because it really starts to shine around week 3 (at least for me) and only gets better over time.
 
paul56778 said:
Week 3, day 15 starts tomorrow, so I will post back at end of week.
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Appreciate the feedback. So far it seems DSU is holding up for you in the strength department post cycle, which is pretty impressive if that maintains throughout week 3 and onward.

I used it as a natty cycle, so it will be nice to compare.
 
kboxer7 said:
Appreciate the feedback. So far it seems DSU is holding up for you in the strength department post cycle, which is pretty impressive if that maintains throughout week 3 and onward.

I used it as a natty cycle, so it will be nice to compare.
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I have been using Nitrile gloves to apply both DSU and Exotherm, i normally pour one pump on to left or right forearm then spread it all on inner arm, delts, traps and neck, is this ideal for application e.g. am will be left side then pre workout or pm will be right. I also then apply exotherm to abdominal area to keep it away from DSU.
 
paul56778 said:
I have been using Nitrile gloves to apply both DSU and Exotherm, i normally pour one pump on to left or right forearm then spread it all on inner arm, delts, traps and neck, is this ideal for application e.g. am will be left side then pre workout or pm will be right. I also then apply exotherm to abdominal area to keep it away from DSU.
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Sounds like a solid system.

I like DSU best on traps, upper chest and delts, so you have those covered. Inner wrists/forarms & neck are my next go to spots (but that's typically where I use EU if I'm stacking the two).

What I like about your approach is that you are both rotating surfaces AND utilizing a large surface area. When it comes to TD's, you want the active spread over a large surface area, as well as not "saturating" the same area over a short period of time. So props on the application bro!
 
kboxer7 said:
Appreciate the feedback. So far it seems DSU is holding up for you in the strength department post cycle, which is pretty impressive if that maintains throughout week 3 and onward.

I used it as a natty cycle, so it will be nice to compare.
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Now towards end of week 3 PCT, i have not lost any strength and seem to be sharpening up by the day despite running at maintenance calories. If anything i have gained strength based on my back session yesterday, chest day on monday felt hard but i think it was due to performing 30 reps for my first set with 215lbs. "chest was tired then"
 
Just reading throw the threads.
Seems headaches are the biggest side effects.
Also what am I reading above hot flashes and shortness of breath?
I'm not of a fan of the headaches cause I get one everyday from natural things around me.
Most importantly though how does this effect glucose and thyroid?
Is the nitrile gloves a must, I can't have this stuff getting on family members.
 
AaronJP1 said:
Just reading throw the threads.
Seems headaches are the biggest side effects.
Also what am I reading above hot flashes and shortness of breath?
I'm not of a fan of the headaches cause I get one everyday from natural things around me.
Most importantly though how does this effect glucose and thyroid?
Is the nitrile gloves a must, I can't have this stuff getting on family members.
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Drink a lot of water if you get a headache and space doses out accordingly.

Should not cause a drop in blood sugar, but to be fair I didn't measure that and I eat a lot of sugar lol

You can use your wrists instead of gloves but you should take extra precautions after application if you are concerned (ie. consider application sites like feet, thighs, etc that are less risky).
 
AaronJP1 said:
Just reading throw the threads.
Seems headaches are the biggest side effects.
Also what am I reading above hot flashes and shortness of breath?
I'm not of a fan of the headaches cause I get one everyday from natural things around me.
Most importantly though how does this effect glucose and thyroid?
Is the nitrile gloves a must, I can't have this stuff getting on family members.
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Watch your blood pressure

I had to stop my run due to it skyrocketing my BP.

Still, wish I could have gave it a good run, I literally had to throw over a half a bottle away :(
 
horizons said:
Watch your blood pressure

I had to stop my run due to it skyrocketing my BP.

Still, wish I could have gave it a good run, I literally had to throw over a half a bottle away :(
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Did you try dietary changes (spinach helped Hastur - was not on SU but still) or increased nitrates (ie. HYDRO3) or EU?
 
GNO said:
Did you try dietary changes (spinach helped Hastur - was not on SU but still) or increased nitrates (ie. HYDRO3) or EU?
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Yeah tried to cut out caffeine and yeah love HYDRO3. Take it every time I went to the gym

Just made me feel so lethargic, headaches, sweat, low libido etc I can't remember my readings but they weren't good

Don't get me wrong I love OL! Some supps just don't agree with some
 
horizons said:
Yeah tried to cut out caffeine and yeah love HYDRO3. Take it every time I went to the gym

Just made me feel so lethargic, headaches, sweat, low libido etc I can't remember my readings but they weren't good

Don't get me wrong I love OL! Some supps just don't agree with some
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Yep fair enough
 
horizons said:
Watch your blood pressure

I had to stop my run due to it skyrocketing my BP.

Still, wish I could have gave it a good run, I literally had to throw over a half a bottle away :(
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GNO said:
Did you try dietary changes (spinach helped Hastur - was not on SU but still) or increased nitrates (ie. HYDRO3) or EU?
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The potassium content and nitrate content of Spinach brought my BP down into a more reasonable range while on cycle, I'm eating 200g a day as a salad, it works.
 
alvin1 said:
how many serving is there in dermastrenght?
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Each serving is 2mL (1 pump), but we recommend 2 servings per day (4mL or 2 pumps) which would give you a 30 day supply
 
A couple of weeks in DSU and I'm loving it I noticed that I'm not where near as sore the next day or 2 following a workout sometimes not even at all and I have kept up the intensity. Not gonna lie I'm beginning to like this better than Sup3r 11
 
raul87 said:
A couple of weeks in DSU and I'm loving it I noticed that I'm not where near as sore the next day or 2 following a workout sometimes not even at all and I have kept up the intensity. Not gonna lie I'm beginning to like this better than Sup3r 11
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Nice! Very glad you're responding well to it. I enjoy it for the joint relief it gives me.
 
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