ScottyDoc
Well-known member
I am not really sure, I'll take a look, I'll also inquire if their are going to be any upcoming sales on any of our products NUTRAPLANET.
Q & A for FINAFLEX EPI-V
- Thread starter ScottyDoc
- Start date
I am not really sure, I'll take a look, I'll also inquire if their are going to be any upcoming sales on any of our products NUTRAPLANET.
UponThisRock
New member
seriousmass
New member
Hey scottydoc I'm currently taking 1 andro and plan on takin it for 8 wks, my question is I want to run epi-v starting at wk four. Should I drop the 1 andro, or stack the two for four wks.
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
First off, that is a pretty heavy sounding cycle, hope you are taking something with liver & kidney support and probably something to block or lower rising estrogen levels if you are going to be on that long of a cycle, PCT REVOLUTION Black has all that in it!
Next, to answer your question, that depends on what your primary goal is, to just add Mass or to Lean up as well? If you just want to lean up a tiny bit, combine them, if you want to lean up a lot, then drop the 1-ANDRO and go EPI-V solo, but more of it! Either route you go, my above statement still holds true if you are going to be on a prohormone that long!
seriousmass
New member
Yes I have all my supports in place, but not currently taking anything for estrogen, I didn't think estrogen levels would rise on cycle with this compound.. my goal is to maintain size while cutting. So should I drop the 1 andro now and start the epi-v. Or lower the dose on 1andro and start epi. And cut cycle length to 6 wks.. oh I do have past ph/ps experience. But first run with these compounds
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
Like I said in my previous post it depends on your ultimate goal, if you want to lean up a little and still try to add a little mass, then take both the 1-ANDRO and EPI-V equally, if you want to gain as much mass as possible, but not add any water weight or fat, then take more 1-ANDRO than EPI-V, if you want to lose more fat and a tiny bit of muscle then take more EPI-V than 1-ANDRO, and if all you want to do is lose fat and just maintain the muscle, then take all EPI-V!
As far as a rise in estrogen is concerned, almost every compound that causes an increase in Testosterone will inversely cause an increase in estrogen as well, so taking something to limit, lower or block estrogen in your body is best when trying to staying both Anabolic and Androgenic is important! Therefore I recommend taking a PCT like our PCT REVOLUTION Black, after any cycle of any hormone or prohormone. Hope this helps!
WhatsaRoid?
Board Sponsor
We all want more Black Series Scotty!
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
I hear ya cluck-n Big Chicken! We are working on a few different things right now, from what I hear... besides the G-6, which will be our next released product, I'm thinking we will be announcing another product or two at the 2011 Olympia... this year, so please hold tight, they are coming!
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
Not at the moment, but I'm going to PM you, maybe you can help me... help you with that problem!!!
Onlychevy6
Well-known member
Fantastic results.
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
I intend for my results this time around to be even better... Invalid Link Removed
Onlychevy6
Well-known member
Already subbed bud.
Onlychevy6
Well-known member
I have a question that has not been asked. When taking EPI-V is it common for males to have a burning sensation while urinating? Or is there anything that says what typical if any side effects there are?
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
OK... I never did when I took it last year, but someone asked me that exact same question regarding 1-ANDRO, which I didn't have that experience last year either, yet today, I had a slight burning feeling while urinating. The best way I can describe it (not trying to be crude or unprofessional) as being the same type feeling you get when you urinate after a recent sex and you have experienced a discharge, anyway if you have experiences this mild burn while urinating following that, that is a very accurate comparison and from what I'm being told, it cannot be explained as why it is happening, but that is possible and can happen, but is absolutely nothing to worry about.
Onlychevy6
Well-known member
Good answer. I would have used the kidney stone analasis. For those who have had stones like I have. You get a very uncomfortable burn or tingling while urinating them out. Once your done no more burn.
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
Well I specifically did not use that type of burn because that is not consistent... My had had stones and he said it was the worst pain ever and he was screaming bloody-murder, he compared it to pissing out shards of glass, which is not how what I'm talking about at all, I'm talking about a little burn and tiny discomfort that goes away in under min.
gwls
Well-known member
ScottyDoc said:
I had 7 kidney stones a few years back, didn't pass and then had to have them surgically removed after ultrasound and other such things didn't work - 6 weeks of pure living hell! To top things off the little "shards" had torn the sh!t out of urethra, so doing the op they had to insert a stent so that following the removal the urethra wouldn't heal shut!!!
They removed the stent a few weeks later under local anaesthetic, eye watering...
Kidney stones, not a high point in my life that's for sure
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
OK, Please... Please... Please, everyone reading this, please read my above analogy of the rare, but possible irritation during urination feels and not the comparison of passing kidney stones and torn urethras! Ok, the difference between what I described and what they are describing with Kidney stones is like the difference of $hitting out something the size of an egg (uncomfortable, but ok when it passes) vs. trying to $hit out a larger than your fist pine-cone (gonna tear things up and do damage)!
Onlychevy6
Well-known member
You are absolutely correct ScottyDoc. After re-thinking about what i said, there is no comparison. Ladies and Gents whom are reading this, there is nothing to fear it goes away as fast as it comes out. And to date it only happened once and has not come back.
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
Yep, but like I said, first off it is very rare to even get that feeling, 2nd if you have experienced it, it really is no big deal, I mean it isn't like it really hurts or lasts any length of time and it isn't even every time!
gwls
Well-known member
Totally agree! I think it's more the case of whether or not you are susceptible to these types of things, for instance I know I am, so an option for me is Saw - guess what I'm saying is it's more about the user than the supp, I'm just a freak in the waterworks dept
Like you said it's very unlikely, and not painful, but if it irritates take some good old Saw
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
Totally agree! I think it's more the case of whether or not you are susceptible to these types of things, for instance I know I am, so an option for me is Saw - guess what I'm saying is it's more about the user than the supp, I'm just a freak in the waterworks dept
Like you said it's very unlikely, and not painful, but if it irritates take some good old Saw
You hit the nail on the head my friend!!!
mlnutting
New member
I want to make sure I'm stacking this right...I'm gonna take EPI-V 1 pill in the morning and evening, ALC + CLA 2 pills 3 times a day, and should I also take PCT Black during the cycle or after, or both? I also plan on taking C4 Extreme pre-workout. I'm 5'7 230 lbs and I'm unsure of my BMI but according to the military I'm at 21% body fat. I can typically cut to 205 lbs pretty easy with diet and exercise but I have a hard time of getting below that. I want to hit about 190 lbs.
My schedule is kinda messed up with working nights and having a newborn so rarely do I get more than 3 hours of sleep at a time. I understand that this will hinder my muscle growth some but like I said, I can usually hit 205 lbs pretty easy.
My schedule is kinda messed up with working nights and having a newborn so rarely do I get more than 3 hours of sleep at a time. I understand that this will hinder my muscle growth some but like I said, I can usually hit 205 lbs pretty easy.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Al likes you to run 1 cap of the black ed. during and 2 ed afterwards depending on how you joints are feeling... Yah you're not going to lose muscle on EPI-V but will be hard for you to lose more than 15 lbs in 6 weeks.. is that how long your run is. What I would do is plan on hitting your lowest weight at the end of the EPI-V run so when you get to 205 then start EPI-V if you want to get to 190. This stuff is made for peaking. It will have lean, dry and hard.
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
I both agree and uh... agree! I think the safest and most effective way to take EPI-V is dosed at 4caps/day (2 caps in the AM and 2 caps around mid-day, at least 8hrs before bed) and to take 1 cap of PCT REVOLUTION Black every night during the cycle and then for after the cycle, I have been playing around with it and most can get away with continuing at just 1cap per night, but if there are any noticeable estrogen sides (RARE...especially if taken during your cycle) then you can always up your dosage to 2caps PCT Black/night! The 2 caps of ALC+CLA 3x's per day is perfect (2caps every 8hrs) and one more tiny suggestion is... approximately 5 days before the end of your cycle, start on our PURE TEST at 6 caps per day (all 6 in the evening preferably) this will kick-start and boost your natural test levels very high, very quickly guaranteeing you hold onto those hard muscle gains and fat losses and not rebound!
Finally my second agree was, definitely a supplement used to break the plateau, I mean DW is 100% right, if you have never had any problems in the past getting down to 205Lbs, but have never been able to breach that as in get lower, then just do what you can do on your own and let the EPI-V and good diet and exercise break that plateau and take you to the body of your dreams! Would love to see a good LOG on this Bro, before and after pictures and measurements, etc. That would be SWEET!!!
DreamWeaver
Legend
Yah log this fugger and we'll steer you straight!!
mlnutting
New member
My cut to 205 was usually just that...a cut. I needed to make that weight for weigh ins and that was all the longer I needed to hold that weight. I'll up the EPI-V to 4 pills a day, and take the PCT Black during the cycle. The bottle of EPI-V says not to exceed taking for more than 60 days but I thought I saw in a post of yours that you went 12 weeks. Am I right or was I just imagining that you did a 12 week cycle? I'm starting tomorrow so I'll get my log started. Also is there any chance that I could test positive for anythinig during a uranalysis?
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
I did a 12wk cycle, but it was not 12wks straight of EPI-V! That was my longest most complicated cycle to date and I did 6 weeks of 1-ANDRO and bridged over to 6 weeks with EPI-V.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Yah that was the log where everybody said that there was no way he was going to lose the fat he was planning to lose and he made them eat humble pie.. they seemed to dissappear from the log did you notice....
That's when I got the feeling I needed to be on this stuff...my last year photos at the gym were after my EPI-V run and I was big and hard... Invalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
Yes Doug... I did notice that, was kind of funny, lots of haters at that time, but the didn't realize how good EPI-V was, nor did they realize how strict and dedicated I was to losing the weight I wanted to lose and in the time frame I wanted to do it in!!!
No EPI-V is not a magic pill, but it will most definitely accelerate and amplify your results, without a doubt! The way I try to explain our products is like an amplifier on a stereo. If it is 100watts and you turn it all the way up, you get 100watts, but if you add an amplifier you can get 150 or even 200watts!!! Well if you are putting 100% into your gym and diet you will get 100% results, add an amplifier to that and you can get 150% or even 200% results, but those crazy results are not gong to come from a lack of work or effort, but with 100% effort it can make it look like you achieved the impossible!!!
No EPI-V is not a magic pill, but it will most definitely accelerate and amplify your results, without a doubt! The way I try to explain our products is like an amplifier on a stereo. If it is 100watts and you turn it all the way up, you get 100watts, but if you add an amplifier you can get 150 or even 200watts!!! Well if you are putting 100% into your gym and diet you will get 100% results, add an amplifier to that and you can get 150% or even 200% results, but those crazy results are not gong to come from a lack of work or effort, but with 100% effort it can make it look like you achieved the impossible!!!
DreamWeaver
Legend
All I know is I want to spend another summer looking like they way I did in those pics...
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
Heard.... You were one Ripped-up Old-Fugger!!!
DreamWeaver
Legend
I didn't realize how big and hard I was till looking back at them but I had excellent volume which took care of a lot of my loose skin. That's my sweet spot, right around 6% and it's easy to do with EPI-V.
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
I hear ya Brother, you are gonna Look SICK this Summer after we all do our little FINAFLEX Triple/Stack!!!
DreamWeaver
Legend
Can't wait!! I love walking down the street and people with shocked looks on there faces as the Monster old fugger strutts by!! lol
chedapalooza
Legend
Can erase or erase pro be used in pct for an 8 week cycle of epi v?
I would want to run erase for another 8 weeks following the epi... Is this safe/realistic?
What else would need to be including intra cycle and post?
Would I need or want to run a test booster along with the epi? I have below avg test levels, so I usually run some sort of natty t booster year round..
I'm really interested in trying the epi but not sure how to cover all my bases for during and post cycle..
I'd like to use anabeta post cycle as well if possible..
I did read thru most of the thread re dosing and other products to be taken during cycle, but I'm still a little foggy...
Im gonna take a stab so u know I'm putting forth some effort
Week 1-6:
2caps/day epi v (am/mid afternoon)
^^ 2 instead of 4 due to money constraints (2 bottles versus 4)
2 caps/day pro xanathine (1 am/1mid afternoon)
Pct black? confused
Week 7-8:
2caps/day epi v (am/mid afternoon)
2 caps/day pro xanathine (1 am/1mid afternoon)
Pct black? confused
6 caps/day pure test
Weeks 9-16
for post cycle I'm lost- I'd like to use erase or erase pro, anabeta, and an ephedra based fat burner, also the pure test I'm assuming would be needed?
If this is totally confusing, maybe u could just say "take x , y, z at this dose, this dose, etc" lol n then i can reply with any questions about adding in other products I like/know to work for me. thanks!
Edit: I just looked at the 550xd n am interested in that too! To maybe help add some lean mass? How long would i have to wait after running the epi? Perhaps a month after pct is finished? Looking forward to these answers n solidifying a plan to utilize in the near future
I would want to run erase for another 8 weeks following the epi... Is this safe/realistic?
What else would need to be including intra cycle and post?
Would I need or want to run a test booster along with the epi? I have below avg test levels, so I usually run some sort of natty t booster year round..
I'm really interested in trying the epi but not sure how to cover all my bases for during and post cycle..
I'd like to use anabeta post cycle as well if possible..
I did read thru most of the thread re dosing and other products to be taken during cycle, but I'm still a little foggy...
Im gonna take a stab so u know I'm putting forth some effort
Week 1-6:
2caps/day epi v (am/mid afternoon)
^^ 2 instead of 4 due to money constraints (2 bottles versus 4)
2 caps/day pro xanathine (1 am/1mid afternoon)
Pct black? confused
Week 7-8:
2caps/day epi v (am/mid afternoon)
2 caps/day pro xanathine (1 am/1mid afternoon)
Pct black? confused
6 caps/day pure test
Weeks 9-16
for post cycle I'm lost- I'd like to use erase or erase pro, anabeta, and an ephedra based fat burner, also the pure test I'm assuming would be needed?
If this is totally confusing, maybe u could just say "take x , y, z at this dose, this dose, etc" lol n then i can reply with any questions about adding in other products I like/know to work for me. thanks!
Edit: I just looked at the 550xd n am interested in that too! To maybe help add some lean mass? How long would i have to wait after running the epi? Perhaps a month after pct is finished? Looking forward to these answers n solidifying a plan to utilize in the near future
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
Can erase or erase pro be used in pct for an 8 week cycle of epi v?
I would want to run erase for another 8 weeks following the epi... Is this safe/realistic?
What else would need to be including intra cycle and post?
Would I need or want to run a test booster along with the epi? I have below avg test levels, so I usually run some sort of natty t booster year round..
I'm really interested in trying the epi but not sure how to cover all my bases for during and post cycle..
I'd like to use anabeta post cycle as well if possible..
I did read thru most of the thread re dosing and other products to be taken during cycle, but I'm still a little foggy...
Im gonna take a stab so u know I'm putting forth some effort
Week 1-6:
2caps/day epi v (am/mid afternoon)
^^ 2 instead of 4 due to money constraints (2 bottles versus 4)
2 caps/day pro xanathine (1 am/1mid afternoon)
Pct black? confused
Week 7-8:
2caps/day epi v (am/mid afternoon)
2 caps/day pro xanathine (1 am/1mid afternoon)
Pct black? confused
6 caps/day pure test
Weeks 9-16
for post cycle I'm lost- I'd like to use erase or erase pro, anabeta, and an ephedra based fat burner, also the pure test I'm assuming would be needed?
If this is totally confusing, maybe u could just say "take x , y, z at this dose, this dose, etc" lol n then i can reply with any questions about adding in other products I like/know to work for me. thanks!
Edit: I just looked at the 550xd n am interested in that too! To maybe help add some lean mass? How long would i have to wait after running the epi? Perhaps a month after pct is finished? Looking forward to these answers n solidifying a plan to utilize in the near future
OK, first off, unless you already have the erase, you really don't need it. All you really need is the PCT REVOLUTION Black. As far as taking it during/intra-cycle I would take 1-2 caps/night, I would just take 1 cap and only up it to 2 if you notice any signs of raised estrogen, but 1cap/night should be plenty for intra-cycle, it is also important as an intra-cycle because of the liver, kidney, prostate, & cardiovascular shield. Then with your post-cycle, honestly, if you are taking 6caps/night of the PURE TEST, then I would keep the PCT Black at the same dose that you found appropriate throughout your cycle. Did all that make sense?
chedapalooza
Legend
ScottyDoc said:
Yes. Perfect sense. So after the 4 weeks of pct. Could I go righ into erase pro+ anabeta for another 4? Or Is this too long on an ai?
ScottyDoc
Well-known member
No... not necessarily too long, just want to make sure you are not lowering your estrogen too much, if you know your body, you should be fine, things to look out for if your Estrogen is too low, sore achey joints, more joint articulations (cracking & popping) than usual. For example, when my estrogen is too low, the first places I notice it are my shoulders & elbows get sore & my knees will crack and pop when I walk. In short, if you know your body, then you know when to ease off the AI's a little or when to increase them, can't really give you a cookie-cutter answer for that Bro, everyone is sooooo very different!
DreamWeaver
Legend
If may be a bit long though 8 weeks on cycle then 4 weeks PCT. I think I would give it a bit of a break uness dealing with some sort of problem.
chedapalooza
Legend
DreamWeaver said:
Yea.. Hmm well I normally take take erase at 4/day for 8 weeks. Take four weeks off, then resume. I am s skinny fat ecto so estro n cort is naturally high... Considering the on cycle ai would be only half the dose I normally take, I think I will experiment n try to stretch it.. I ALWAYS have cracking joints, mainly ankles bc I run a lot.. I've never felt true discomfort or dryness while on 4 erase though.. Is that wrong? Lol
DreamWeaver
Legend
That is a hefty dose, you can feel it out after PCT if you like just watch for additional dryiness of the joints like Al said....
chedapalooza
Legend
DreamWeaver said:
Would it be feasible to to start the pct black 4 weeks into the 8 weeks of epi? Or bad idea?
DreamWeaver
Legend
Yah like Al said there is stuff in there to protect your liver and prostate which is important with a DHT type supp...
chedapalooza
Legend
DreamWeaver said:
K thanks