ProSynthesis-17 (IMPORTANT QUESTION):

[Rocket3015]

This is going to be Good !!

 

[Falco1098]

Aminos still have calories. I don’t remember if he has it listed on the label, but if you’re tracking, you may want to calculate out the calories from the amino acids here. They should average out to around 4 per gram like protein, but with a unique ratio, and depending on how precise you want to be, you may have to check it individually.

Yeah, but this would replace roughly 60g of protein from whey which would be ~280cal at 1/3 of the calorie cost. And it would be more anabolic taken as a preworkout.

So ~95 Cal of Pro17 gets me the equivalent of 60G of whey and saves ~190 cal and will be more anabolic when take as a preworkout!

I can put those cal to carbs to drive the workouts more!

I am stoked!

@Mike Arnold I am assuming if we count macros, we would count this as ~60g of protein, correct?

 

[Mike Arnold]

Yeah, but this would replace roughly 60g of protein from whey which would be ~280cal at 1/3 of the calorie cost. And it would be more anabolic taken as a preworkout.

So ~95 Cal of Pro17 gets me the equivalent of 60G of whey and saves ~190 cal and will be more anabolic when take as a preworkout!

I can put those cal to carbs to drive the workouts more!

I am stoked!

@Mike Arnold I am assuming if we count macros, we would count this as ~60g of protein, correct?

It's actually a little more than 60 grams, if I remember correctly, but 60 is pretty close. Personally, I tend not to look at the product as a protein replacement. Certainly, you can do so, but I think it is better viewed as an anabolic optimizer within the context of pre-intra workout nutrition. Of course, it also functions well when used prior to fasted cardio...or at any other time the body requires a rapid infusion of EAAs (such as someone who hasn't eaten all day and needs to stop protein breakdown as quickly as possible).

Basically, the product should be used whenever the goal is to optimize anabolism and halt catabolism as quickly as possible. Even with whey protein (which is the fastest digesting protein powder), it still takes a minimum of 60 minutes before ANY of the aminos within it even start to enter the bloodstream. And it takes several hours before all of the aminos within whey protein have been fully digested and absorbed into the bloodstream. Several hours! While that's way faster than something like red meat, even whey simply cannot compare to the rate at which free-form aminos enter the bloodstream.

When taken on an empty stomach, it doesn't take more than 30 minutes for ALL the aminos within ProSyntheis-17 to be fully absorbed and escorted to muscle cells. This is why even tiny doses of EAAs (6 grams) have been shown to outperform 30 grams of whey protein, in terms of stimulating protein synthesis. When consuming massive doses of EAAs, such as those found in ProSynthesis-17, the spike in amino acid blood levels is so massive, that the body's capacity for stimulating protein synthesis (via amino intake) is totally maxed out.

We NEED slow digesting proteins throughout the day (and before bed) to keep the body in a muscle building state all day long. This is critical when attempting to maximize muscle growth. Absolutely critical. However, when we need to ramp up the body's muscle building machinery as much as possible, slow digesting proteins (or even protein shakes) cannot do it.

Keep in mind that this Q & A was only for ProSynthesis-17. ProSynthesis-BUILD is even more potent, from both an anabolic and anti-catabolic standpoint. I'll add additional information to the ProSynthesis-BUILD Q & A. ProSynthesis-17 is already awesome by itself, but the BUILD version is going to be extremely potent. Because BUILD contains ingredients which work through additional pathways, it is even more anabolic nd equally important, more anticatabolic. Whichever product someone buys, they can be certain that it will out perform any other EAA product on the market.

The days of EAA products being comprised of nothing but 3-10 grams of EAAs, is just about over. A new era in amino acid products is just beginning. I do believe that is the truth. I think we are now watching the end of an era, after which a new breed of amino acid product will flood the market. Gone are the days when companies thought that selling 250-500 grams of aminos for $45-$50, was OK. People will begin to demand more.

Furthermore, I think we are now nearing the end of the EAA "prop blend", as EAA products are probably the WORST possible products to use a prop blend for. With certain things (such as stimulant blends), it's not nearly as big of a deal, as that category of supplementation is judged almost entirely on subjective opinion, but when it comes to EAA products, there better not be a prop blend anywhere on the damn label...because that means the company could be selling you garbage without you ever knowing it.

With proper amino acid ratios being so vitally important to an EAA product's effectiveness, I don't see why anyone would continue using a product that didn't specifically disclose how much of each amino acid it contains. I've seen a TON of products that contain anywhere between 10-50 mg of methionine. I'm not kidding. Still, MANY people aren't aware of how detrimental this is to their product's effectiveness. They really have no idea that up to 95% of their product is unusable unless they consume additional methionine (and often tryptophan) through food or protein powders. I mean, who wants their product's label to read "I'm not telling you whether this product works or not"! What kind of crap is that?

Anyway, I don't think it will be long before the low-dose prop-blends are a thing of the past. What incentive is there to continue using them? I seriously doubt that I will be the only person releasing high-dose, fully disclosed EAA products. Maybe it will be this way in the beginning, but all it takes for other companies to follow suit is for them to begin losing sales. At that point, they are either forced to change, stop making EAA products, or be content making barely any sales.

I have a lot of ideas for the ProSynthesis line-up. I have at least 2 more ProSynthesis products (after the "17" and "BUILD" versions are released) in the works and all of them will be great deals and highly effective. I am likely going to release a fat-loss specific version next...but we'll see how things go. I am also working on a comprehensive pre-workout version, but before I do that, I want to make sure that the energy and focus component is off the charts. I want it to be something never seen before.

 

[Rocket3015]

The Future Is Here !!!

 

[Brianmc83]

Any update on release date?

 

[Jeremyk1]

Not sure I agree with Mike on this. I doubt the era of ineffective amino products is going anywhere. Not for a long time at least. For a few years there, I thought the era of prop blends was finally over. They became rarer and rarer, then suddenly some companies are trying to tel us that prop blends are a new innovative way to formulate. When profit margins are the top priority, ineffective products riding on hype and wishful thinking will never go away.

 

[schizm]

I like Mike's unbridled enthusiasm I'll pick some up when released

 

[rowz4broz]

do we have a date on this?

recently started including eaa's into my supplement regimen and would love to give this a go

 

[Falco1098]

It's actually a little more than 60 grams, if I remember correctly, but 60 is pretty close. Personally, I tend not to look at the product as a protein replacement. Certainly, you can do so, but I think it is better viewed as an anabolic optimizer within the context of pre-intra workout nutrition. Of course, it also functions well when used prior to fasted cardio...or at any other time the body requires a rapid infusion of EAAs (such as someone who hasn't eaten all day and needs to stop protein breakdown as quickly as possible).

Basically, the product should be used whenever the goal is to optimize anabolism and halt catabolism as quickly as possible. Even with whey protein (which is the fastest digesting protein powder), it still takes a minimum of 60 minutes before ANY of the aminos within it even start to enter the bloodstream. And it takes several hours before all of the aminos within whey protein have been fully digested and absorbed into the bloodstream. Several hours! While that's way faster than something like red meat, even whey simply cannot compare to the rate at which free-form aminos enter the bloodstream.

When taken on an empty stomach, it doesn't take more than 30 minutes for ALL the aminos within ProSyntheis-17 to be fully absorbed and escorted to muscle cells. This is why even tiny doses of EAAs (6 grams) have been shown to outperform 30 grams of whey protein, in terms of stimulating protein synthesis. When consuming massive doses of EAAs, such as those found in ProSynthesis-17, the spike in amino acid blood levels is so massive, that the body's capacity for stimulating protein synthesis (via amino intake) is totally maxed out.

We NEED slow digesting proteins throughout the day (and before bed) to keep the body in a muscle building state all day long. This is critical when attempting to maximize muscle growth. Absolutely critical. However, when we need to ramp up the body's muscle building machinery as much as possible, slow digesting proteins (or even protein shakes) cannot do it.

Keep in mind that this Q & A was only for ProSynthesis-17. ProSynthesis-BUILD is even more potent, from both an anabolic and anti-catabolic standpoint. I'll add additional information to the ProSynthesis-BUILD Q & A. ProSynthesis-17 is already awesome by itself, but the BUILD version is going to be extremely potent. Because BUILD contains ingredients which work through additional pathways, it is even more anabolic nd equally important, more anticatabolic. Whichever product someone buys, they can be certain that it will out perform any other EAA product on the market.

The days of EAA products being comprised of nothing but 3-10 grams of EAAs, is just about over. A new era in amino acid products is just beginning. I do believe that is the truth. I think we are now watching the end of an era, after which a new breed of amino acid product will flood the market. Gone are the days when companies thought that selling 250-500 grams of aminos for $45-$50, was OK. People will begin to demand more.

Furthermore, I think we are now nearing the end of the EAA "prop blend", as EAA products are probably the WORST possible products to use a prop blend for. With certain things (such as stimulant blends), it's not nearly as big of a deal, as that category of supplementation is judged almost entirely on subjective opinion, but when it comes to EAA products, there better not be a prop blend anywhere on the damn label...because that means the company could be selling you garbage without you ever knowing it.

With proper amino acid ratios being so vitally important to an EAA product's effectiveness, I don't see why anyone would continue using a product that didn't specifically disclose how much of each amino acid it contains. I've seen a TON of products that contain anywhere between 10-50 mg of methionine. I'm not kidding. Still, MANY people aren't aware of how detrimental this is to their product's effectiveness. They really have no idea that up to 95% of their product is unusable unless they consume additional methionine (and often tryptophan) through food or protein powders. I mean, who wants their product's label to read "I'm not telling you whether this product works or not"! What kind of crap is that?

Anyway, I don't think it will be long before the low-dose prop-blends are a thing of the past. What incentive is there to continue using them? I seriously doubt that I will be the only person releasing high-dose, fully disclosed EAA products. Maybe it will be this way in the beginning, but all it takes for other companies to follow suit is for them to begin losing sales. At that point, they are either forced to change, stop making EAA products, or be content making barely any sales.

I have a lot of ideas for the ProSynthesis line-up. I have at least 2 more ProSynthesis products (after the "17" and "BUILD" versions are released) in the works and all of them will be great deals and highly effective. I am likely going to release a fat-loss specific version next...but we'll see how things go. I am also working on a comprehensive pre-workout version, but before I do that, I want to make sure that the energy and focus component is off the charts. I want it to be something never seen before.

Thank you not only for this detail, but by being the leader in this new day and age for EAAs! I will me looking to use the Build version solely whether maintaining, cutting or bulking as a pre/intra. I will still ensure i always get at least 1G of protein but since it is lean bulks from hereon i wont be trying to slam 5000 calories and get 300G of protein, Instead i will get 200-225 G of protein daily, plus a dose of Build pre/intra workout instead of my old whey shake - this will then be replaced with a whey, casein, egg shake prior to bed!

 

[Rocket3015]

How many Tubbs is everyone looking to purchase ??

Me 2 or 3 !

 

[dukes3577]

Build-2

 

[BigGame84]

How many Tubbs is everyone looking to purchase ??

Me 2 or 3 !

2. If it's Fruit Punch, I'll be happy.

 

[Hyde]

How many Tubbs is everyone looking to purchase ??

All of them

 

[Falco1098]

I will likely buy 3 Build to start!

 

[Rad83]

Might put a couple on layaway

 

[Mike Arnold]

The labels are being shipped to my manufacturer on Monday, so as soon as he gets them, he will be capping and labeling the products.

 

[sammpedd88]

The labels are being shipped to my manufacturer on Monday, so as soon as he gets them, he will be capping and labeling the products.

That’s awesome news!

 

[Falco1098]

That’s awesome news!

Sounds like we are about 4 weeks out!!!!

 

[Rocket3015]

Every time I see a post here come up in my Alerts, I'm hoping it is ready to order

 

[sammpedd88]

Sounds like we are about 4 weeks out!!!!

You’re prob right!!

 

[Mike Arnold]

Sounds like we are about 4 weeks out!!!!

Assuming things proceed without issue it should be sooner than that. The main factor is whether or not my manufacturer actually caps and labels them right away. He said he will do it within a week of receiving the labels, but we'll see. I've heard that before.

 

[Rocket3015]

Every time I see a post here come up in my Alerts, I'm hoping it is ready to order

This !

 

[Falco1098]

Assuming things proceed without issue it should be sooner than that. The main factor is whether or not my manufacturer actually caps and labels them right away. He said he will do it within a week of receiving the labels, but we'll see. I've heard that before.

So are we about one week out now? I am so anxious!

 

[Rocket3015]

So are we about one week out now? I am so anxious!

Sitting here with Money in hand

 

[sammpedd88]

 

[Falco1098]

That is literally me with money sitting aside to buy a few jugs!

 

[sammpedd88]

That is literally me with money sitting aside to buy a few jugs!

I’m getting impatient. Like a kid at Christmas.

 

[Rocket3015]

I’m getting impatient. Like a kid at Christmas.

It might be Christmas before we see it !!

 

[sammpedd88]

It might be Christmas before we see it !!

I hope not!

 

[McBurly]

I'm assuming this will be from fermentation?

 

[Falco1098]

We are now 3 weeks from my 4 week forecast. Hopefully there were no hiccups and we get this launched next week!

 

[sammpedd88]

We are now 3 weeks from my 4 week forecast. Hopefully there were no hiccups and we get this launched next week!

Fingers crossed bro!

 

[Darkhorse192]

where is this?

 

[Hyde]

where is this?

In a warehouse, probably

 

[Falco1098]

Now4 weeks from my 4 week forecast! Am i the only crackhead that keeps refreshing the masupps.com site multiple times a day?!

I just broke under 200 this morning at 199.6 after a long slow post winter bulk from 230. Gonna move to maintenance and lean gain at just 100 over for the rest of summer - I so want to use PS17 during this summer lean gain!

 

[Nodus1]

After a few years on fitness forums, I’ve learned that most supplement company product rollout schedules are total crapshoots.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Update: The products were supposed to have been labeled by Friday (2 days ago), but I haven't heard back from my manufacturer yet. As soon as I do, I'll let you guys know. We're in the homestretch now!

 

[BigGame84]

Update: The products were supposed to have been labeled by Friday (2 days ago), but I haven't heard back from my manufacturer yet. As soon as I do, I'll let you guys know. We're in the homestretch now!

Is Zelle a payment option now on the site or still need to request through an email?

 

[Mike Arnold]

Wait until you guys see the new ProSynthesis product I am currently working on! It is going to be awesome! It will be the 3rd product in the ProSynthesis line up. However, this version will vary quite a bit from the first two. As you know, the original is purely an amino acid product, while the BUILD version has some additional anabolic agents added to it.

This 3rd version will basically be an amino acid product, a carb product, and pre-workout product all rolled up into one. It will contain the same massive dose of aminos (just like the other versions), along with a substantial dose of HBCD's, stimulants and other cognitive enhancers, as well as the typical ergogenic aides (creatine, nitrates, etc.). It really is like 3 products in one, but unlike other products that have attempted to do the same, this stuff will provide massive doses of everything.

In terms of the stimulant component of the product, it is going to be killer! Of course, it is impossible to please everyone when it comes to stims because people have such a wide range of preferences, but I've decided to go with a hard-hitting, super euphoric bend of ingredients. The best way to describe it is to say that it will be like Mitradopa and Methyl-Blue combined, but with slightly lesser potency in each area. I've selected the most euphoric and stimulating compounds available, but don't fear. The simulant blend will not be soo strong that a lot of people can't use it. It won't contain massive doses of caffeine, either. I have decided on 200 mg.

It will contain 20 full servings per container. 30 full servings would make the product too expensive, so I have to limit it to 20. Even at 20 servings, it is going to be a very large product. I am talking about a 4 pound container! 30 servings would make the product weigh 6 pounds, which is ridiculous...and would automatically increase the shipping cost to roughly $14 because it would no longer qualify for flat-rate shipping. For that reason and more, 20 servings is the max.

In terms of price, it will likely be similar to ProSynthesis-BUILD. This product, along with the other ProSynthesis products, are for people who can read labels and understand what they are getting for the money. When everything is taken into consideration, this new version of ProSynthesis will be a fantastic deal.

Anyway, I am working on this concurrently with the fat loss product. The formulas for both have already been given to my manufacturer.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Is Zelle a payment option now on the site or still need to request through an email?

I'm going to do it soon, but I haven't had time to make an appointment with the bank to open another Zelle account. It's fine using Zelle here and there for purchases, but once I add it to the site as a payment option, I need to have a Zelle account dedicated specifically to each company.

 

[Hyde]

Wait until you guys see the new ProSynthesis product I am currently working on! It is going to be awesome! It will be the 3rd product in the ProSynthesis line up. However, this version will vary quite a bit from the first two. As you know, the original is purely an amino acid product, while the BUILD version has some additional anabolic agents added to it.

This 3rd version will basically be an amino acid product, a carb product, and pre-workout product all rolled up into one. It will contain the same massive dose of aminos (just like the other versions), along with a substantial dose of HBCD's, stimulants and other cognitive enhancers, as well as the typical ergogenic aides (creatine, nitrates, etc.). It really is like 3 products in one, but unlike other products that have attempted to do the same, this stuff will provide massive doses of everything.

In terms of the stimulant component of the product, it is going to be killer! Of course, it is impossible to please everyone when it comes to stims because people have such a wide range of preferences, but I've decided to go with a hard-hitting, super euphoric bend of ingredients. The best way to describe it is to say that it will be like Mitradopa and Methyl-Blue combined, but with slightly lesser potency in each area. I've selected the most euphoric and stimulating compounds available, but don't fear. The simulant blend will not be soo strong that a lot of people can't use it. It won't contain massive doses of caffeine, either. I have decided on 200 mg.

It will contain 20 full servings per container. 30 full servings would make the product too expensive, so I have to limit it to 20. Even at 20 servings, it is going to be a very large product. I am talking about a 4 pound container! 30 servings would make the product weigh 6 pounds, which is ridiculous...and would automatically increase the shipping cost to roughly $14 because it would no longer qualify for flat-rate shipping. For that reason and more, 20 servings is the max.

In terms of price, it will likely be similar to ProSynthesis-BUILD. This product, along with the other ProSynthesis products, are for people who can read labels and understand what they are getting for the money. When everything is taken into consideration, this new version of ProSynthesis will be a fantastic deal.

Anyway, I am working on this concurrently with the fat loss product. The formulas for both have already been given to my manufacturer.

That sounds really badass, Mike. Honestly very excited to see what you cook up for that one.

I’m not sure I’ve seen anyone dare to go amino/carb/preWO all in one, probably due to the sticker shock for the average consumer who won’t add up the total of their expense on 3 different products.

 

[Rocket3015]

Excited !!

 

[Falco1098]

Wait until you guys see the new ProSynthesis product I am currently working on! It is going to be awesome! It will be the 3rd product in the ProSynthesis line up. However, this version will vary quite a bit from the first two. As you know, the original is purely an amino acid product, while the BUILD version has some additional anabolic agents added to it.

This 3rd version will basically be an amino acid product, a carb product, and pre-workout product all rolled up into one. It will contain the same massive dose of aminos (just like the other versions), along with a substantial dose of HBCD's, stimulants and other cognitive enhancers, as well as the typical ergogenic aides (creatine, nitrates, etc.). It really is like 3 products in one, but unlike other products that have attempted to do the same, this stuff will provide massive doses of everything.

In terms of the stimulant component of the product, it is going to be killer! Of course, it is impossible to please everyone when it comes to stims because people have such a wide range of preferences, but I've decided to go with a hard-hitting, super euphoric bend of ingredients. The best way to describe it is to say that it will be like Mitradopa and Methyl-Blue combined, but with slightly lesser potency in each area. I've selected the most euphoric and stimulating compounds available, but don't fear. The simulant blend will not be soo strong that a lot of people can't use it. It won't contain massive doses of caffeine, either. I have decided on 200 mg.

It will contain 20 full servings per container. 30 full servings would make the product too expensive, so I have to limit it to 20. Even at 20 servings, it is going to be a very large product. I am talking about a 4 pound container! 30 servings would make the product weigh 6 pounds, which is ridiculous...and would automatically increase the shipping cost to roughly $14 because it would no longer qualify for flat-rate shipping. For that reason and more, 20 servings is the max.

In terms of price, it will likely be similar to ProSynthesis-BUILD. This product, along with the other ProSynthesis products, are for people who can read labels and understand what they are getting for the money. When everything is taken into consideration, this new version of ProSynthesis will be a fantastic deal.

Anyway, I am working on this concurrently with the fat loss product. The formulas for both have already been given to my manufacturer.

Sounds like PS17 isnt only going to be a disruptor in the BCAA/EAA arena but also in the preworkout market!

Thank you @Mike Arnold for being the leader in this and keeping us here in AM forums abreast. You know we will be ordering right away and providing solid feedback!

 

[slickwillie]

Update: The products were supposed to have been labeled by Friday (2 days ago), but I haven't heard back from my manufacturer yet. As soon as I do, I'll let you guys know. We're in the homestretch now!

Mike, do you expect to be in a position to start shipping orders sometime next week?

 

[DieselNY]

Sorry I'm late to the party. Have we seen a label yet? (Supp facts).

 

[botk1161]

Sorry I'm late to the party. Have we seen a label yet? (Supp facts).

There is this thread: https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/new-prosynthesis-17-faq.334216/

 

[Mike Arnold]

Mike, do you expect to be in a position to start shipping orders sometime next week?

Yes!

 

[Mike Arnold]

Sorry I'm late to the party. Have we seen a label yet? (Supp facts).

Yep. I posted labels for both.

 

[LucasBagoDoce]

Smart to artificially flavor it. Even people who avoid artificial sweeteners could get tired of the product and stop buying it despite how promising this is.
Will be buying a few when it comes out for sure.

 

[Rocket3015]

Yep. I posted labels for both.

I must be brain Dead I can't find the Labels ?