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prohormone with least sides

Iceman1414

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Hey guys....I was wondering about this...I posted a thread some weeks back about my brother being on sus 500 and having bad sides included rapid heart beat and high blood pressure and the consensus was he should immediately stop. Then I thought of my last cycle of mass tabs I had gotten terrieble nervousness and anxiety from. Is there a pro-hormone that is known to not cause an increase in blood pressure as well as not to bring on anxiety, as neg. sides. Or if all ph's do is there one there does it less then others. I was also curious what the poll would look like on the prohormone the gave the most weight gain under bulking diets and and a bulking routine. I apprecate all responces.
 
Alot of those sides could be because of not having proper support supps during cycle.

No PH is going to be side free but some of the milder ones would be h-drol, Epi/Havoc.

Try to get bloodwork before doing anything to make sure there is no problem there and get your BP checked to make sure that is not a problem before starting anything.

Most important wait till you get some other opinions from others here as i do not have as much knowledge as some others here good luck:thumbsup:
 
I appreciate your advice so far pembroke...I know all ph's wll have sides I just want to find the ones that have milder sides in those categories. I will look into h-drol, Epi/Havoc.
 
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in conclusion I think havoc would be a fine choice.
 
Haha, at first I wasn't gonna count, then I went back to my old roots, maths in school, I noticed the 5 rows, I could not stop myself...
 
Hdrol, ridiculously low sides, so mild
 
iceman1414 said:
what is the avg. weight and strength gain ppl see when using havoc?
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hard to answer. too many factors to account for.

*however, if your training and diet are on track you can probably expect a good 10lbs of lean mass along with some considerable strength increases.
*disclaimer: this is a total approximation
 
hdrol for no sides if you want a methyl. i've heard that propadrol is no sides either but it's a nonmethyl so i dunno about the gains

epi was ok for me, just a bit of hairloss at the end
 
Halodrol,h-drol ftw!
 
4-AD was the safest PH I used. It was just magical stuff when combined with 1-Test when I was too scared to use real steroids.
 
Iron Warrior said:
4-AD was the safest PH I used. It was just magical stuff when combined with 1-Test when I was too scared to use real steroids.
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Uhhh 1-test is (dihydro boldenone) a very androgenic steroid!!! Will make your hair fall out quicker than you can say stupid user,aside from blood pressure,lipids,and acne....... Low sides? Do your homework bro!
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
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in conclusion I think havoc would be a fine choice.
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havoc almost ****ing killed me and i gained 20lbs in 4 weeks.

try halodrol at 50mgs a day.
 
Halodrol is very very mild...but you can notice some real gains.

I've done

superdrol (big time lethargy)
epistand (lethargy late in cycle) but mild recovery

Halodrold has NO NO lethargy increases my libido, and recovery is a snap!
 
bignative22 said:
hdrol for no sides if you want a methyl.
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No disrespect intended but how do you even include ANY methyl in the answer group here? By definition, methylated hormones are livertoxic (sometimes significantly).
 
TripDog said:
Uhhh 1-test is (dihydro boldenone) a very androgenic steroid!!! Will make your hair fall out quicker than you can say stupid user,aside from blood pressure,lipids,and acne....... Low sides? Do your homework bro!
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It didn't do damage to my hairline but I'm lucky in that department. The main thing that sucked was some slight lethargy but I didn't get any crazy sides from it. However, M1T is something I would not mess with. I know it's not the safest, 4-AD was for me, but it's a solid hormone :)
 
PhilABowl said:
What good are massive pecs without a massive liver?
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The liver needs to be worked too, you have to hit every group equally in bb-ing. :bb:

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TripDog said:
Uhhh 1-test is (dihydro boldenone) a very androgenic steroid!!! Will make your hair fall out quicker than you can say stupid user,aside from blood pressure,lipids,and acne....... Low sides? Do your homework bro!
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Extremely low sides!. I have done several 1T/4AD trans cycles back in the day before methyl this and methyl that crap!. I would say it is only slightly androgenic!. Sure maybe at 800mg a day you might get some sides, but at normal doses it is practically side effect free. The only side effect is lethargy and that is not an issue if you stack it correctly with an estrogenic steroid. Most, if not all steroids have the simple side effects that you stated, "acne, blood pressure, lipids"....You want androgenic try high doses of m5aa!!!!.
 
freezito said:
if someone could get their hands on 4ad, oral that is, what could they exspect for their first cycle
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nothing, cause 4ad is almost completely unavailable orally :) or requires a ridiculous amount. Its still more a supplemental or stacker, as it is the prohormone to regular testosterone. so what you'd get is like having more testosterone.
 
Epistane was my favorite. Mainly because I felt so great on it mentally.

Jomi/Trip - when you guys say Halodrol - I assume you mean the Gaspari version. True?
Seems like people like the original version better than the clones. I tried a clone a while back - didn't see squat from it.
 
hmmm, well i was told orally you would have too take about 900mg daily stacked with like epi and it would be effective. I dont know though, research on 4ad is almost non existant
 
freezito said:
hmmm, well i was told orally you would have too take about 900mg daily stacked with like epi and it would be effective. I dont know though, research on 4ad is almost non existant
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theres a lot more out there about it as a transdermal, probably a ton in the transdermal section here on AM
 
well I have acess to it orally. My buddy has almost 100 bottles. They are 200mg a pill. He said I can have what I need to stack with epi when I do my epi cycle. Thats why I am trying to find info. I was told 600-900 daily would suffice. I want to confirm that or find some good reading but like i said orally there isnt much info
 
yeah, jeez I guess with an unlimited free supply it could work :) It still is more helpful with the highly suppressive compounds, cause it will give your body some testosterone to replace what is missing, so you will feel more normal.
 
TripDog said:
Uhhh 1-test is (dihydro boldenone) a very androgenic steroid!!! Will make your hair fall out quicker than you can say stupid user,aside from blood pressure,lipids,and acne....... Low sides? Do your homework bro!
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Totally agree, the Only ph or steroid (other than m1p) that gave me noticable sides (some hair thinning and major shutdown and higher blood pressure) I am not naturally prone to any of these issues.
 
For me:

Least sides: Prostanzol/Mega-zol, etc. Altho increase in
BP vs effectiveness + cost makes me wonder if they're worth it. Planning Winztrol + Halo in future.

Feel good PHs, low sides: above, Pheraplex, Havoc/epistane
 
Right now I'm leaning towards H-Drol (CEL) 50 - 75mgs with Furazadrol (Axis Labs) 100mgs - - - are those the best brands?

Or I was thinking a low dose of Havoc (20mgs) with a low dose of H-Drol (50mgs)

note : my cycle would only be 3 - 4 weeks to minimize sides.
PCT would be: Torm, LX2, Trib, Fenugreek, Creatine (throughout cycle too)
 
I tried a clone a while back - didn't see squat from it.
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jmh80, which clone did you try that you felt was ineffective?

It seems the Halodrol clones seem to recommend the pitiful dosage 50mgs. Reality is most of us probably need to use at the very least 75 mgs/day, I prefer 100 mgs.

Epistane is a stand up choice for a mild PH. Seems to produce a little better result, but some get lethargy from it.

Epistane makes me feel pretty good when I start it, but Halodrol increases my libido, so its give and take.
 
cromwell said:
Totally agree, the Only ph or steroid (other than m1p) that gave me noticable sides (some hair thinning and major shutdown and higher blood pressure) I am not naturally prone to any of these issues.
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I did good with sides by taking several protective supplements. I used:

1. Fish oil
2. Red Yeast Rice
3. Garlic
4. Co Q-10
5. Hawthorne Berries
6. Celery Seed
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
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in conclusion I think havoc would be a fine choice.
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I believe its 77 times.
 
jmh80 said:
Epistane was my favorite. Mainly because I felt so great on it mentally.

Jomi/Trip - when you guys say Halodrol - I assume you mean the Gaspari version. True?
Seems like people like the original version better than the clones. I tried a clone a while back - didn't see squat from it.
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I only used the Gaspari stuff.
 
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