Product X MOA?

Mr.50

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Is there anything you can tell us yet about if the compound in Product X raises test as a result of its ability to lower estrogen? Or is there an independent second mechanism through which it raises testosterone?

Mr.50
 
Ya I'd love to know more about Product X as well, Andrews log has got me very interested in this, also the write up on the ingredient sounds amazing.
 
needtogetmuscle said:
This is what product x is my friend

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O yes the race is on and NTBM is in the lead!!!!!!!!!!
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Just read it all, when will this be out so I can buy some :D

Wow I'm just thinking how awesome this supp will be for my First Amateur fight, 8 week cycle...stacked with HCGenerate...I think so:D
 
needtogetmuscle said:
This is what product x is my friend

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Ah the link is greatly appreciated but in that write up still it does not address my original question. If at this time my question can not be answered that is fine but again I am just wondering if the mechanism of action for Product X (Phyto-347) is to boost testosterone because it has anti estrogenic properties and it will lower estrogen and thus raise test???? OR is there a second mechanism for raising test in addition to lowering estrogen? and if so what is that second mechanism?

Thanks.

Mr.50
 
Mr.50 said:
Ah the link is greatly appreciated but in that write up still it does not address my original question. If at this time my question can not be answered that is fine but again I am just wondering if the mechanism of action for Product X (Phyto-347) is to boost testosterone because it has anti estrogenic properties and it will lower estrogen and thus raise test???? OR is there a second mechanism for raising test in addition to lowering estrogen? and if so what is that second mechanism?

Thanks.

Mr.50
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The mechanism is in relation to eachother bro.
 
lartinos said:
The mechanism is in relation to eachother bro.
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Bro what does that mean?


There is a mechanism of action of lowering estrogen which has a secondary effect of raising test........ but is there a second mechanism of action for raising test or is it only ancillary to lowering estrogen?

For example, DAA raises testosterone through a mechanism of action completely independant of lowering estrogen.

So is there a compound here that has a separate MOA for raising test or is it solely from lowering estrogen?

Even if it is this is not a negative, Im just wondering?

Mr.50
 
It seems kind of disingenuous to claim the 347% number (rodent study) when Anthony Roberts posted bloodwork from this compound showing a 30% increase. Of course, he also claims mahler was walking around with test levels of 1300, so who knows.

The method of action is similar to the mineral test boosters, zinc and copper. It works by increasing Testicular acid phosphatase. Of course, I don't expect you to get that information elsewhere since the general arc of these things is to simply dose people with what works in rat studies and see what sticks.



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Anabolic and androgenic activities of Bulbine natalensis stem in male Wistar rats.
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OnTheRoadTo said:
It seems kind of disingenuous to claim the 347% number (rodent study) when Anthony Roberts posted bloodwork from this compound showing a 30% increase. Of course, he also claims mahler was walking around with test levels of 1300, so who knows.

The method of action is similar to the mineral test boosters, zinc and copper. It works by increasing Testicular acid phosphatase. Of course, I don't expect you to get that information elsewhere since the general arc of these things is to simply dose people with what works in rat studies and see what sticks.



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Ah much appreciated for a more scientific approach to this compound!


Mr.50
 
To clarify - it also has the action of an AI - FSH and LH are increased at the pituitary as well. Like DAA it has multiple, self synergistic paths of action. Only without being awful, like DAA is.
 
OnTheRoadTo said:
To clarify - it also has the action of an AI - FSH and LH are increased at the pituitary as well. Like DAA it has multiple, self synergistic paths of action. Only without being awful, like DAA is.
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But are FSH and LH increased from the AI function or through some other mechanism?
 
Impossible to know without further study - the only other option really is SERM like inhibition of hormone sensing at the pituitary.
 
yeah i think there are MANY people anxiously awaiting this one!!
 
needtogetmuscle said:
This is what product x is my friend

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pretty bold claims, noticed you said you "feel" close to kill mode, I assume that is aggression, confidence, etc, that comes with test cycle, and all that is nice, but how is it muscle strength and size wise? Is it still close to kill mode, or how much less? Just wondering because this would be stronger than any of the hormonal products offered, it is possible that for some only 250 mgs of test/week is a better muscle builder than 30-40 mgs of epi, or 75-100 mgs of halo daily, and for most 500 mgs of test is absolutely stronger. Not trying to be a pain, as I am ready to give this a shot, just trying to get clarification, exciting stuff. Thanks. oh yeah, when is release date? (hopefully soon)
 
OnTheRoadTo said:
Impossible to know without further study - the only other option really is SERM like inhibition of hormone sensing at the pituitary.
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exactly my friend.
I have a full write up as well as more "human test" that others have taken on the way. we have 5-6 people who have been testing the product for about 6 weeks now, then there is about 5 other people who tested the product on there own and had test done.

I know Anthony Roberts also did his own test and several of his friends also did test. There is plenty enough human test,rate test, and real world human feed back to prove the products worth so I am not in the least bit worried about it..
People were saying the same thing when fadoga came out and hwne I made my hcgenerate product..

Lets face it there is always always always going to be some one or a group of some ones who will say it don't work, or its not that grate blah blah blah.
I never make a product that does not work. I never make a product I can not or will not back 1000000 times more then any other company out there could or would. The prof is always in the pudding.

When the rubber meets the rode is when you open the bottle and use the product and it ether does or does not work. I back my product all the way to the end. Other companies will put all kidns of studies,write ups, articles, and billions worth of adds behind there products..

They have o so much prof and they back there product O so damn much. Except once you open the bottle they are no longer willing to back the product any more??? HMMMMM I wounder why?


Anyway It works and its awesome. I will have the full Articles for the products before it is released for sale.
 
I will say this, it blocks estrogen right away, increases TOTAL and FREE testosterone, builds strength/power output, endurance, aggression, libido, recovey and sense of well being. These all signs of elevated testosterone, hope that helps.
 
andrew732 said:
I will say this, it blocks estrogen right away, increases TOTAL and FREE testosterone, builds strength/power output, endurance, aggression, libido, recovey and sense of well being. These all signs of elevated testosterone, hope that helps.
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sounds good to me ;)
 
that is all ok, but I want more proof/studies of muscle building and strength effects. There are other things that raise libido, like hcgenerate, ect, but if this truly can build muscle, this will be one of the few or only herbal test boosters that has much of an impact on body comp or strength gains.
 
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