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CHAPS said:
Ya i think it would be a BIG seller, but please please please flavour it, i don't wanna have to gag the **** down, lol. Also when using it make sure to keep stirring it up otherwise it goes like taffy. But you can use 70gs+ of this stuff at a time with no bloat or stomach cramps or anything just REALLY full muscles. Combine this with KR-ALA and look out!
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Damn, I was hoping you found a different supplier. I had heard that crap was nasty.
 
Can you get sodium L-lactate, and potassium L-lactate :box:

by Thomas Fahey, Ed.D., Professor of Exercise Physiology, California State University at Chico
Including lactate as part of a fluid replacement beverage provides a rapid fuel that can help provide energy during intense exercise. The rationale for including lactate in athletic drinks is simple- since the body breaks down so much of dietary carbohydrates to lactate anyway, why not start with lactate in the first place? Lactate in the drink can be used rapidly by most tissues in the body and serves as readily available building blocks for restoring liver glycogen during recovery.
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Can you please get Geronova's RLA-MCT25 Powder?:box:
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RLA-MCT25™ is a stable, powdered R-lipoic Acid product with sustained release and high bioavailability.

Only R-Lipoic Acid of the highest purity is utilized, after independent analysis confirms the R/S ratio.

RLA-MCT25™ is stabilized against polymerization by a proprietary process and is dissolved in medium chain triglycerides (MCT) to enhance G.I. absorption and increase sustained plasma levels of RLA.

RLA-MCT25™ is blended with lecithin and supported on Maltodextrin.

It is also available supported on whey protein, cellulose or magnesium ascorbate in 25+ kg quantities.

RLA-MCT25™ has 25% active RLA and is a free flowing, light yellow, slightly granular, odor-free powder.

It is water dispersible and can be blended with other powders or used alone for use in beverage mixes, hard shell capsules or tablets and related nutraceutical and functional food applications.

RLA-MCT25™ is much more stable than RLA even at elevated temperatures.

RLA-MCT25™ does not polymerize and does not need refrigeration, whereas RLA polymerizes at temperatures slightly above ambient. The polymerization of RLA is accelerated by light, heat and moisture.

MCT contain 8-10 carbon fatty acids esterified with glycerin, and function as a carrier of RLA into the hepatic (liver) portal system.

MCT also compete with RLA for entero-hepatic transport systems, allowing higher levels of RLA to reach the plasma and tissues. The MCT delivery system of RLA-MCT25™ allows most of the RLA to bypass the stomach and be delivered into the intestines-liver (entero-hepatic system).

RLA-MCT25™ is absorbed more slowly and efficiently (by the portal system) than the usual commercial forms of RLA or ALA which are absorbed from the stomach and duodenum.

Numerous factors affect G.I. absorption. Racemic-ALA has poor solubility and absorption from the GI tract as only 30% reaches the plasma vs. an iv dose. RLA is less soluble and polymerizes on contact with the low pH environment of the stomach.

Prior to the MCT delivery system, the most bio-available forms of RLA were as salts, as in K-RALA™.

The plasma PK in humans reveals low and sustained levels rather than an initially high concentration that drops back to baseline quickly.

Preliminary bioavailability data indicates the plasma profile and time course of RLA-MCT25™ is similar to our oil based products, RALA-GelTM and R-PlusTM.

RLA-MCT25™ has a shelf life of 24 months when stored in a closed container, in a cool, dry place.

RLA-MCT25™ contains no chemical surfactants or detergents that may compromise gut integrity.

Please contact us for more information and pricing.
 
custom said:
Sesamin is my white whale...you absolutely would not believe the prices I am being offered.
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Custom, are you being offered really poor prices on sesamin, or good ones? I couldn't quite decide what you mean by this post.
 
max silver said:
Custom, are you being offered really poor prices on sesamin, or good ones? I couldn't quite decide what you mean by this post.
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Poor ones, Sesamin is a real pain in the balls to source for a reasonable price.
 
C-12 Peptide should be here on the 17th.

The K-RALA should be here maybe the 14th. It is the new version from Geronova that is supposed to be 40% (I think) stronger than before. It seems like they come out with a new and improved version of ALA every month, so it would really be next to impossible to have the newest one available at all times. For now, we'll just see hoe the K-R-ALA goes.

As far as the Sesamin goes, think $2500 and up ranges. I have found one place that would work with me at the prices needed, but after importation and brokerage fees, it simply is not viable.
 
Creatine Gluconate, stuff in sizeon, Custom your thoughts... was brought up but got off subject with other supp requests. sounds good with the C12, definate purchase!
 
Now Cap Em Quick with Tamper and 1000 empty caps in both "0" and "00" sizes, that way we can cap your bulk powders. So ya all the above sold seperatly would be good, as a kit even better.
 
How about pill boxes that are oversized. I'm using standard sized weeklys, but I can only fit five 00 caps into each day. That makes me use 4 days per day. Something that holds nine 00 caps per section would be ideal.
 
the stuff from the vargas or whatever is in Anagen...I can get that, but at cost, it is about $0.90/gram which would not be all that great savings over the caps. I cannot find the stuff from the thermolife product at all.
 
Matt see if you can source this stuff

Ajuga turkestanica

Its the most anabolic of all the ECDYsteroids and is on another level then Anagen
 
bigpetefox said:
So this means custom can sell the bulk AA as a mere "fatty acid" type supplement? That could work.. ;)
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Just FYI guys, I can appreciate everything that is being said here, but strongly disagree. Nobody here is a patent attorney. The first thing we asked ours is "What if someone sells without making a claim". The answer: Patent claims are not the same as marketing claims. The company would have to prove someone would just walk into a store and buy an AA supplement. If people are buying their product to build muscle, they are inducing the violation of your patent, regardless of what is written on the bottle in an attempt to exculpate themselves."

AA is used for musclebuilding, not as a "general health supplement". Any bodybuilding product company, bulk or otherwise, that tries to sell AA and cheat us out of our fair licensing fees will find themselves in litigation.

Given that I have spent a personal fortune bringing this product to market, and endured 2 years of the rest of the industry telling me I was nuts for doing it, I am somewhat disheartened to hear all the discussion about ways to rip me off now that people are recognizing its utility.

Business is business, but AA is the only product we sell, and we are absolutley committed to protecting our IP rights! I hope everyone reading can understand this, and why.
 
Dont worry Bill, after we exchanged emails on this about possible licenses, that was the end of interest for me. I hope everything works out with the Syntrax people.
 
custom said:
Dont worry Bill, after we exchanged emails on this about possible licenses, that was the end of interest for me. I hope everything works out with the Syntrax people.
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Lol. No worries. I know you are one of the good guys. If everyone were like you, this industry would be a far less adversarial place ;)

Thanks for the support re:Syntrax. We are fully confident it will be resolved in our favor, but unfortunately have to go at the pace of the federal legal system, which is slow.

Best to you and your business,
 
b_delgros said:
When will that K-R-ALA be in?
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Will this be in soon?... planning on jumpin on your Powerfull/Thunder stack before its over but I'm also a major fan of KRALA and want to pick some up at the same time if I can

-Moose
 
Thanks for being so responsive, Matt. 37 pages and you are still listening to the suggestions and requests (some of which are redundant) of anyone who asks.

Kudos.
 
w_llewellyn said:
Just FYI guys, I can appreciate everything that is being said here, but strongly disagree. Nobody here is a patent attorney. The first thing we asked ours is "What if someone sells without making a claim". The answer: Patent claims are not the same as marketing claims. The company would have to prove someone would just walk into a store and buy an AA supplement. If people are buying their product to build muscle, they are inducing the violation of your patent, regardless of what is written on the bottle in an attempt to exculpate themselves."

AA is used for musclebuilding, not as a "general health supplement". Any bodybuilding product company, bulk or otherwise, that tries to sell AA and cheat us out of our fair licensing fees will find themselves in litigation.

Given that I have spent a personal fortune bringing this product to market, and endured 2 years of the rest of the industry telling me I was nuts for doing it, I am somewhat disheartened to hear all the discussion about ways to rip me off now that people are recognizing its utility.

Business is business, but AA is the only product we sell, and we are absolutley committed to protecting our IP rights! I hope everyone reading can understand this, and why.
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Bill, I'm not a patent attorney, but I am an attorney, and one with a decent background in IP law, which includes a working knowledge of patent law.

I have no doubt that threat of litigation will keep competitors from introducing AA supplements, at least for the time being, because the cost of defending a lawsuit, even when successful, is prohibitive.

However, I would be remiss if I did not point out something that I mentioned to you at bb.com, which you ignored. It goes against exactly what you are saying here and at other places.

I will isolate one key part of your argument from above:

AA is used for musclebuilding, not as a "general health supplement". Any bodybuilding product company, bulk or otherwise, that tries to sell AA and cheat us out of our fair licensing fees will find themselves in litigation.
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Fair enough. Until someone looks at your patent application, available Invalid Link Removed, and the issued patent, available here.

Both contain the following language:

United States Patent 6 said:
Arachidonic acid is a naturally occurring polyunsaturated fat, belonging to the Omega-6 family of fatty acids. It is considered an essential fatty acid (EFA), because it is an essential nutrient that your body can't produce itself. The only way you can get arachidonic acid is through the food you eat. It is obtained in small amounts in the average human diet, coming from various plant and animal sources including milk. Arachidonic acid has furthermore been identified as a vital precursor to numerous hormones in the body including prostaglandins, prostacyclin (PGI2), leukotrienes, and thromboxanes.
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(Emphasis added).

The claims in your patent application and issued patent do not exactly agree with your claims here. You have a hard time arguing that there is no other use for AA when your own patent application calls it an essential nutrient and lists the compounds it converts to (and is, in fact, a "vital precursor" to).

Is this enough to sway a trial? I don't know. I'd be interested to find out. I probably won't, though, as noted above.

Do I feel that you should be rewarded for your work in developing this product? Yes, that is why we have intellectual property law. However, you got a method of use patent for this compound, for use in increasing muscle mass. That does not necessarily protect all uses of AA, and when you yourself list it as an essential nutrient, it is disingenuous to argue that there are no other uses.
 
For the record, I am not saying Bill's patent would not stand up. I am just pointing out a flaw in his argument.
 
jrkarp said:
Do I feel that you should be rewarded for your work in developing this product? Yes, that is why we have intellectual property law. However, you got a method of use patent for this compound, for use in increasing muscle mass. That does not necessarily protect all uses of AA, and when you yourself list it as an essential nutrient, it is disingenuous to argue that there are no other uses.
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I understand what you are saying. I am not an attorney, patent or otherwise, so can just convey what our patent attorney's have told us. This very issue was very important to us in particular, as there is little incentive to spend all this money on patents and studies for companies to just "no claim" us right out of the very market we created.

The attorneys looked at the issue, and concluded that it was very important that no such AA-EFA supplement ever existed before X-Factor. Furthermore, they stated that if a clone of our product came to the bodybuilding market now, all we would need to prove is people are buying the new AA product to make use of my invention. If a bodybuilding company copies X-Factor, markets it through the same channels as us, and consumers are buying it to get the benefit of my "X-Factor" invention, infringement is indeed taking place.

From what we understand now, it is not necessarily about the "claims" made in marketing, but the reason consumers are actually buying it that really matters. Are people buying it as an AA EFA supplement? Are people that don't know about X-Factor picking it up off the shelves as a "general health supplement"? Or are consumers buying this new high-dosed AA supplement as a direct alternative to X-Factor? We need to prove the latter. Company X would need to prove the former.

With many nutrients "other uses" are valid, known, and consumers are shopping said nutrient legitimately for different reasons. In the case of AA, I don't believe an X-Factor clone would be used as anything but an X-Factor clone, nor do I think any company would sell it for any reason other than to infringe on our market.
 
I agree with you on most points, however, my point was just that if, say, some dietary supplement company (the kind you see sold at the grocery store, not related to bodybuilding) marketed it as a true dietary supplement (for general health, wellness, etc), and it was marketed in that manner, your patent might not prevent it - especially because with "wellness" supplements, often people will buy any supplement off the shelf, because of its benefits (either actual or purported). In a circumstance like that, your admission that it is an "essential nutrient" could haunt you.

I don't see that happening, because I don't see the "wellness" supplement industry wanting to risk it, and as I said before, I don't see the bodybuilding supplement industry risking it either. My point in these posts is that your patent is not a bulletproof shield that will automatically protect you from any AA supplement coming to market. It may, however, have that effect.
 
jrkarp said:
I agree with you on most points, however, my point was just that if, say, some dietary supplement company (the kind you see sold at the grocery store, not related to bodybuilding) marketed it as a true dietary supplement (for general health, wellness, etc), and it was marketed in that manner, your patent might not prevent it - especially because with "wellness" supplements, often people will buy any supplement off the shelf, because of its benefits (either actual or purported). In a circumstance like that, your admission that it is an "essential nutrient" could haunt you.

I don't see that happening, because I don't see the "wellness" supplement industry wanting to risk it, and as I said before, I don't see the bodybuilding supplement industry risking it either. My point in these posts is that your patent is not a bulletproof shield that will automatically protect you from any AA supplement coming to market. It may, however, have that effect.
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I see what you are saying, and you do make a good point. It is only legitimate infringement of our patent that we are concerned with. Our attorneys feel as far as the Sports Nutrition market goes, we have a solid lock. Finding a little AA in a multi-vitamin at the WholeFoods grocer is probably not what we are talking about.
 
whatever Bill. your patent is weaker than the double-click patent.
when big pharams will be convinced AA is healthy (And I think it is) you will be washed down.
 
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