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here's a way to get around your patent. market a mixture of AA apa and DHA. since AA actually blocks the pathway of N-3-->epa, DHA, supplementing with just AA is stupid and gives different results than the mixture, on which you don't hold a patent.

Matt, when will you be offering this mixture?
 
judge-mental said:
here's a way to get around your patent. market a mixture of AA apa and DHA. since AA actually blocks the pathway of N-3-->epa, DHA, supplementing with just AA is stupid and gives different results than the mixture, on which you don't hold a patent.

Matt, when will you be offering this mixture?
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You can't circumvent a patent simply by adding a new ingredient. It doesn't work that way, but thanks for the input.
 
w_llewellyn said:
Our attorneys feel as far as the Sports Nutrition market goes, we have a solid lock. Finding a little AA in a multi-vitamin at the WholeFoods grocer is probably not what we are talking about.
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And I agree with them. I was thinking about a supplement that is exclusively (or mostly) AA, but marketed to a different segment, in different retail outlets, at different price points, etc. The dose might be much lower, making it very cost-ineffective for use in bodybuilding.
 
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w_llewellyn said:
You can't circumvent a patent simply by adding a new ingredient. It doesn't work that way, but thanks for the input.
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yes you can if you prove novelty of mixture ie synergy.:bb3:
 
judge-mental said:
yes you can if you prove novelty of mixture ie synergy.:bb3:
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No, you can't judge. Adding DHA to AA would not remove your need to respect my patent on AA. I suggest you run your plan by a very good patent attorney before you try it, as I can promise you we will end up in litigation if you do.

And I am sorry, but I find your attitude quite offensive Judge. You have absolutely zero respect for my years of work, or the hundreds of thousands of dollars in research and clinical studies I put into AA to make it a reality. **** you buddy. People like you are just out to **** on innovation for the sake of making an easy buck on someone else's back.
 
'Tis the nature of the industry, Bill. I suppose you're paying out royalties the dozens of university scientists who fed you your "innovation" through their hard work and creative research?


Didn't think so.
 
bioman said:
'Tis the nature of the industry, Bill. I suppose you're paying out royalties the dozens of university scientists who fed you your "innovation" through their hard work and creative research?


Didn't think so.
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Independent research would be biased and invalid if the researchers were all getting royalties.
 
oswizzle said:
Looks like Syntrax didnt care much about that Patent....Ethyl Ester to AA thats a trip
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In my opinion Derek is the greasiest MF operating in this industry right now, and his actions have earned him a federal patent suit.
 
w_llewellyn said:
In my opinion Derek is the greasiest MF operating in this industry right now, and his actions have earned him a federal patent suit.
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Interesting

What about adonis X...was that licensed from you?
 
w_llewellyn said:
Independent research would be biased and invalid if the researchers were all getting royalties.
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Plenty of University researchers recieve royalties on their discoveries/inventions.
 
velikimajmun said:
Plenty of University researchers recieve royalties on their discoveries/inventions.
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I see what you are saying, but the scenaro here is different. They didn't discover or invent AA. They only studied it for us.
 
velikimajmun said:
Interesting

What about adonis X...was that licensed from you?
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We are currently in litigation with Syntrax/SI03/Derek Cornelius/Creative Compounds/Somadyn Distributing over both Hyper-H and Adonis-X. That is all I want to say about it right now.
 
w_llewellyn said:
I see what you are saying, but the scenaro here is different. They didn't discover or invent AA. They only studied it for us.
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too funny.

how am I not respectable buddy? AA has been researched since the 50's. I respect your research the same way I respect all research. I see no reason why such cheap and affordable supplement for wellbeing will be monopolized for you.
 
judge-mental said:
too funny.

how am I not respectable buddy? AA has been researched since the 50's. I respect your research the same way I respect all research. I see no reason why such cheap and affordable supplement for wellbeing will be monopolized for you.
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You really don't understand why we have patents, do you?

Patents encourage innovation by giving inventors a time limited monopoly on the sale and licensing of their invention, so that they may profit from the time, effort, and money they put into the product that they patented.

Without patent protection, a person could spend millions of dollars and thousands of hours perfecting something, only to have knock offs spring up and prevent him from enjoying the fruits of his labor.

Patents and patent protection (as well as copyright protection, which gives a similar monopoly to artists, musicians, etc) are so important, in fact, that the drafters of the Constitution of the United States put a clause in Article I, Section 8:

Constitution of the United States said:
The Congress shall have Power...

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
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We'd all like to see cheaper AA, but Bill has the patent, Bill put in the work and invested the money, and patent law will probably protect Bill, as it is designed to do.
 
No he didn't that's my point its a benign compound known for its action for ages. Anyway microsoft patent the left mouse click now, what will be next? you're just giving corporates the right to rule your life with execissive patent laws. all this constitution thing is rhetoric bull****. its not remotely related.
 
I don't know anything about the history of AA, research related to it, or its use.

What I do know - in general - is that intellectual property rights and the limited monopolies they carry are what encourages innovation and research; if just anybody can knock off your product and steal your profits, why bother wasting the time, energy, and money?
 
Mat said no to a bulk AA powder so quite beating a dead horse. Sure we can argue the patent all we want but in the end it's a moot point. Maybe the litigation with Syntrax will change things but otherwise just wait and see.
 
jrkarp said:
I don't know anything about the history of AA, research related to it, or its use.

What I do know - in general - is that intellectual property rights and the limited monopolies they carry are what encourages innovation and research; if just anybody can knock off your product and steal your profits, why bother wasting the time, energy, and money?
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This sounds like just about every truly groundbreaking product ever released to the bodybuilding crowd. There's always somebody waiting to produce a copycat product. A perfect example of that is sesathin, which Avant Labs originally brought to market. Now how many sesamin products are there available?
 
max silver said:
This sounds like just about every truly groundbreaking product ever released to the bodybuilding crowd. There's always somebody waiting to produce a copycat product. A perfect example of that is sesathin, which Avant Labs originally brought to market. Now how many sesamin products are there available?
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If that didn't happen, most of us wouldn't be able to afford it!
 
That's not necessarily true. I purchased a pile of the liquid from Avant Labs when it was in beta form, and it didn't cost much more than what it does now. I'm kind of on the fence on this issue, competition helps me, the consumer, in driving prices like down like you say, but at the same time, discourages true innovation. Avant Labs has more or less been moving away from the research of new products from what I gather, and that is a real shame. They were one of the true innovators in the supplement business.
 
max silver said:
That's not necessarily true. I purchased a pile of the liquid from Avant Labs when it was in beta form, and it didn't cost much more than what it does now. I'm kind of on the fence on this issue, competition helps me, the consumer, in driving prices like down like you say, but at the same time, discourages true innovation. Avant Labs has more or less been moving away from the research of new products from what I gather, and that is a real shame. They were one of the true innovators in the supplement business.
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Avant is moving away from bodybuilding supps in general. Par wants to do more neuro-type stuff. He will do a generic-type thing tentatively called avant-research for the bb-ing crowd.
 
velikimajmun said:
Avant is moving away from bodybuilding supps in general. Par wants to do more neuro-type stuff. He will do a generic-type thing tentatively called avant-research for the bb-ing crowd.
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I hope that they will still sell or license Supercarb. It's good stuff.
 
jrkarp said:
I don't know anything about the history of AA, research related to it, or its use.

What I do know - in general - is that intellectual property rights and the limited monopolies they carry are what encourages innovation and research; if just anybody can knock off your product and steal your profits, why bother wasting the time, energy, and money?
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intellectual property rights has been one of the leading factors in REDUCING innovation and new research. Look at all the problems with genome research now that people have started "copywriting" DNA sequencing. IP rights have gone way too far in this age of capitalististic science. I acknowledge its importance and use in some arenas (luxury items like sports supplements for instance) but at the same time in areas of disease research etc. it is simply detrimental. Science has always been founded on the sharing of knowledge, and the community of scientific research....this becomes next to impossible when IP rights start popping up all over the place.

Sorry for continuing to beat this horse. And for what its worth, this is not meant to be directed at the sourcing bulk AA issue.
 
Scottyo said:
intellectual property rights has been one of the leading factors in REDUCING innovation and new research. Look at all the problems with genome research now that people have started "copywriting" DNA sequencing. IP rights have gone way too far in this age of capitalististic science. I acknowledge its importance and use in some arenas (luxury items like sports supplements for instance) but at the same time in areas of disease research etc. it is simply detrimental. Science has always been founded on the sharing of knowledge, and the community of scientific research....this becomes next to impossible when IP rights start popping up all over the place.

Sorry for continuing to beat this horse. And for what its worth, this is not meant to be directed at the sourcing bulk AA issue.
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Oh, I agree that IP has been taken too far in some arenas.

I just don't think this is one of them, which is what I meant. I could go on for hours about IP rights being abused. Don't get me started on the DMCA.
 
Several things:

Potassium since you sell bulk tta and Burn3d.

empty gel caps.

Psyllium husk caps.

I don't think you carry biotin which would be good with the na-rala.
 
P01Shooter said:
Several things:

Potassium since you sell bulk tta and Burn3d.

empty gel caps.

Psyllium husk caps.

I don't think you carry biotin which would be good with the na-rala.
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Hopefully I will have a new derivative of TTA in soon... :)

I may go ahead and cap the Na-RALA with Biotin s the powder is just too darn sticky to mess with.
 
Damn get a sample, I buy 100 grams. Log it along w/ some other things Ill be using. I have used MP before so I know TTA a little bit :)
 
BUMP to the empty caps, this would be very smart for you to sell considering you sell bulk powder, also a capping machine like cap m quick. I'd DEFINITELY buy this from you, plllllllllllllease carry this :).
 
any chance you could get some bulk green tomato extract ? I think the only product with it is the Endothil CR,
Also is there bulk Wild Yam Extract?
 
Maybe you have it but I can see it. Do you have capped PEA? I usually cap everything myself. But for something needing such a small amount I will probably screw up :stick:
 
I'm fairly sure Matt can't carry empty caps due to his recent troubles with Big Brother. This could have changed but I'm fairly positive this is why he hasnt offered empty caps.

For the TTA, methinks I knows whats its issess. :twisted:
 
custom, any ideas about possibly a capped electrolyte product to go along with burn3d? maybe with some taurine, and gms?
 
To make it really good, it would probably have to be in powder form. I hate messing with getting those made more than I have to, but I will surely check it out.
 
custom said:
To make it really good, it would probably have to be in powder form. I hate messing with getting those made more than I have to, but I will surely check it out.
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if you could do this... that would be awesome. it would really reduce the ammount of stuff to take along with any tta product.
 
How about some bulk products from USP Labs, I believe it was nutraplanet that offered their cissus with the standardized extract, and how about some Divanil (active in activate, extract)
 
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