Post your E...max Results so far...

Yagman said:
Wow, that sucks, you could easily put that on with just food. Are you showing any signs of being shut down?
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exactly my point, and the 1% would have explained the sesathin use on a natural bulk.

and actually on signs of shut down, i never really had any last cycle but of course no signs doesn't mean i'm not.
 
OMG...


Sometimes people just NEVER get it.
 
For someone who clearly doens't know how to diet, yes. You have shown that thoroughly and proven once again that the majority of people using these products, shouldn't be. Maybe when you actually see that diet is about 80% of this game you will understand where the majority of people in this thread are coming from.

See, I prove this point over and over again with people I train. All you have to do is ask them how many supplements they use.
 
stalemate said:
guess not. funny it has to come from YOU, instead of the owner of the company/product.
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48 hours and counting.

What is funny is your complete IGNORANCE of how these products work.

On top of that your compelte IGNORANCE of diet and training.
 
stalemate said:
actually it was Author who gave him this advice.
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LOL. Did you have to ruin my joke by telling me the truth? :D I didnt know it was ALR that said that, so I take it back. :)
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
You'll gain more WEIGHT if you eat more cals.

You'll gain more quality mass and less BF if you eat well.

Its obvious bro....lol
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yeah i was kind of kidding in the quote you responded to. but if this above is the case, it still doesn't add up. i put on weight AND quality mass on the last cycle/crappy diet. this time eating wonderfully, i'm gaining natural bulk style weight. but hey i'm an idiot and i'm pissin off Bobo so i'll stop with all the "stupid talk".
 
You wouldn't know what a natural bulk is. I have trained people that got more reults naturally then you did eating like **** and taking hormones.

You arne't pissing me off at all. In fact I'm laughin and you are proving my point just fine showing how unreliable your comparison is in the first place. So keep it, you are only helping.
 
Bobo said:
For someone who clearly doens't know how to diet, yes. You have shown that thoroughly and proven once again that the majority of people using these products, shouldn't be. Maybe when you actually see that diet is about 80% of this game you will understand where the majority of people in this thread are coming from.

See, I prove this point over and over again with people I train. All you have to do is ask them how many supplements they use.
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first off, if i didn't use any of the supps i used, i'd be called an idiot for not taking the "proper" precautions. secondly, what is wrong with my diet? sounds like to me you're telling me my diet is crap. wowzers, and i thought i'd come somewhere in the last 6 months diet-wise. guess i'm way off. whole grains bad, eggs bad, skim milk bad, lean meats bad, lots of veggies bad. wow why can't you just be clear with your message on diet? oh that's right, trying to get another client huh? :rolleyes: my EXACT numbers are on my fitday.com account and they are right at 4200, oh and did i mention i don't count my veggies toward the total? so i'm actually above. so what's my problem diet wise?
 
Then post the link and post exaclty what you eat at every meal.

Also post your macronutrient totals as well.

Then post your pics.


So you are telling me you are losing fat and gaining muscle at 4200 calories?
 
Bobo said:
48 hours and counting.

What is funny is your complete IGNORANCE of how these products work.

On top of that your compelte IGNORANCE of diet and training.
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his lack of signing on in 48 hours means nothing. he was addressing the issue at first, now he's not. maybe he's busy, but he knows what's going on.

ignorance of training? where do you get that false accusation? now you're just becoming hostile and desperate.
 
Bobo said:
Then post the link and post exaclty what you eat at every meal.

Also post your macronutrient totals as well.

Then post your pics.


So you are telling me you are losing fat and gaining muscle at 4200 calories?
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first tell me what the problem is, you obviously saw enough to know i don't know ****, so you should have seen enough to know what the problem is. let's hear it.
 
Yagman said:
Wow, that sucks, you could easily put that on with just food. Are you showing any signs of being shut down?
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He gained 2 lbs (assume its LBM) and lost 2 lbs of fat for a total of 4 lbs. You can gain 4 lbs of LBM in 18 days?
 
stalemate said:
his lack of signing on in 48 hours means nothing. he was addressing the issue at first, now he's not. maybe he's busy, but he knows what's going on.

ignorance of training? where do you get that false accusation? now you're just becoming hostile and desperate.
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He knows whats going on? How do you know that? Last time I heard he was in Mexico and had limieted access. Oh you woudln't beleive that would you? Its VERY clear that you have your mind made up regardless of what people say. The product is bunk in your eyes because yopu haven't gained like you did last time when you diet was complete ****.

Ignorance of diet and training? Easy. Nlarge 2, hotpockets, and generally not gaining much weight at all evne though you are "bulking". If you arne't gaining anything bulking its not the hormones fault, its your diet and training.

So no, its not desperate at all. That might the funniest tihng I've heard in this thread.
 
stalemate said:
isn't it always diet with you? guess i predicted that one up a few posts. lol.
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Its diet with everyone almost 100% of the time. Good results linked to good diet, bad results linked to bad diet.

And yes, some of us know this but are just lazy :D
 
Ghosting said:
He gained 2 lbs (assume its LBM) and lost 2 lbs of fat for a total of 4 lbs. You can gain 4 lbs of LBM in 18 days?
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so it seems. you'll have to excuse me for awhile as i have to go lift now, not that it would do any good as my training blows ass anyway.
 
stalemate said:
first tell me what the problem is, you obviously saw enough to know i don't know ****, so you should have seen enough to know what the problem is. let's hear it.
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How the hell can I tell you what the problem is when you don't evne post it?

As foir not knowing ****, its clear when you were eating hot pockets and Nlarge 2 that your knowledge in nutrition was extremely lacking. If that is the case, you never should have taken Ergo to begin with.


Post it, then post your macro's. Then post the links to your last 18 days so everyone can see the diet you were eating while not gaining.
 
Bobo said:
He knows whats going on? How do you know that? Last time I heard he was in Mexico and had limieted access. Oh you woudln't beleive that would you? Its VERY clear that you have your mind made up regardless of what people say. The product is bunk in your eyes because yopu haven't gained like you did last time when you diet was complete ****.

Ignorance of diet and training? Easy. Nlarge 2, hotpockets, and generally not gaining much weight at all evne though you are "bulking". If you arne't gaining anything bulking its not the hormones fault, its your diet and training.

So no, its not desperate at all. That might the funniest tihng I've heard in this thread.
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Perhaps you are confused almighty one. first off the 2nd paragraph says nothing about training so you don't know about my training. 2nd off, that was my old shitty diet, lol. you must be getting upset again as you are misspelling things and becoming cluttered with all of the different posts. and i never said the product was bunk, only suspected something was different, as something definately is. i basically asked if anyone had tested it yet as something was seemingly different this time around, and people started rantin on like no other that it's "bunk", in fact i've never naturally used the word "bunk".
 
Bobo said:
How the hell can I tell you what the problem is when you don't evne post it?

As foir not knowing ****, its clear when you were eating hot pockets and Nlarge 2 that your knowledge in nutrition was extremely lacking. If that is the case, you never should have taken Ergo to begin with.


Post it, then post your macro's. Then post the links to your last 18 days so everyone can see the diet you were eating while not gaining.
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the honest reason i did the first cycle, which i was not ready for, was because all of the rumors about what was in it, i had to try it to know if i should stock up on this once in a long time opportunity, once i was on, there was no way i was gettin off of it, it was too good and the gains were tremendous. obviously i had room for the gains though, as i'm FAR from my genetic limit, and was even further then.

last paragraph- i haven't been keeping a log, and eat the same foods everyday. then sometimes have a cheat meal or just add more good food depending on hunger. i'll think about posting my diet, but i don't like the fact that you already said my diet is lacking, but then you want to see it to see how. you shouldn't accuse people of things if you don't know.
 
Stalemate,

You obvisouly are backtracking so much because people know you are speaking out of your ass now.

As for mispelling, I do all the time. Check the posts. Or is this your way of trying to deflect the fact you are talking out your ass.


"guess i'm way off. whole grains bad, eggs bad, skim milk bad, lean meats bad, lots of veggies bad. wow why can't you just be clear with your message on diet? oh that's right, trying to get another client huh? my EXACT numbers are on my fitday.com account and they are right at 4200"

Oh now you are saying that your Fitday totals were your last diet? Bullshit.
 
stalemate said:
the honest reason i did the first cycle, which i was not ready for, was because all of the rumors about what was in it, i had to try it to know if i should stock up on this once in a long time opportunity, once i was on, there was no way i was gettin off of it, it was too good and the gains were tremendous. obviously i had room for the gains though, as i'm FAR from my genetic limit, and was even further then.

last paragraph- i haven't been keeping a log, and eat the same foods everyday. then sometimes have a cheat meal or just add more good food depending on hunger. i'll think about posting my diet, but i don't like the fact that you already said my diet is lacking, but then you want to see it to see how. you shouldn't accuse people of things if you don't know.
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Well that was a very large anal vapor....


Oh now you havne't been keeping a log but you know your diet is good?

More ass talk.

Yes your diet is lacking because for one I know you are full of it when you say you now exactly what you are eating. If you don't know hoiw many claories you are tkaing in and your macro content, its lacking.

Now I suspect you will go make a nice little diet for me then post it. Cat is already out of the bag.
 
Bobo said:
Stalemate,

You obvisouly are backtracking so much because people know you are speaking out of your ass now.

As for mispelling, I do all the time. Check the posts. Or is this your way of trying to deflect the fact you are talking out your ass.


"guess i'm way off. whole grains bad, eggs bad, skim milk bad, lean meats bad, lots of veggies bad. wow why can't you just be clear with your message on diet? oh that's right, trying to get another client huh? my EXACT numbers are on my fitday.com account and they are right at 4200"

Oh now you are saying that your Fitday totals were your last diet? Bullshit.
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jesus, i really need to go to the gym but don't wanna leave any ignorant responses unattended to. my fitday totals of 4200 cals not including any spontaneous foods and veggies for THIS diet!! last cycle was 4K and i also had all of that on fitday.com. the quote you quoted was me being a smartass cuz you said my diet sucked. so i was saying well, guess my diet consisting of those things i listed are "bad" for me and my lifting/growing. then i followed by saying numberwise, it's all on fitday.com. what was so hard to understand? maybe you need to read slower.

and for the misspelling comment, just the other day you said something about "uh oh i'm starting to misspell things, guess that's my sign to get outta here." i figured that meant you misspell when you get pissed. what else did it mean?
 
Bobo said:
Spelling is getting worse by the minute...my sign to get out of here.
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Hmm...I guess we should adding reading comprehension to that list as well huh Stalemate?
 
stalemate said:
jesus, i really need to go to the gym but don't wanna leave any ignorant responses unattended to. my fitday totals of 4200 cals not including any spontaneous foods and veggies for THIS diet!! last cycle was 4K and i also had all of that on fitday.com. the quote you quoted was me being a smartass cuz you said my diet sucked. so i was saying well, guess my diet consisting of those things i listed are "bad" for me and my lifting/growing. then i followed by saying numberwise, it's all on fitday.com. what was so hard to understand? maybe you need to read slower.

and for the misspelling comment, just the other day you said something about "uh oh i'm starting to misspell things, guess that's my sign to get outta here." i figured that meant you misspell when you get pissed. what else did it mean?
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THEN POST THE LINK SO WE CAN SEE YOUR DIET FOR THE LAST 18 DAYS.


This is getting too easy....
 
Bobo said:
Well that was a very large anal vapor....


Oh now you havne't been keeping a log but you know your diet is good?

More ass talk.

Yes your diet is lacking because for one I know you are full of it when you say you now exactly what you are eating. If you don't know hoiw many claories you are tkaing in and your macro content, its lacking.

Now I suspect you will go make a nice little diet for me then post it. Cat is already out of the bag.
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you are a tool first off. second off you said show me a link or whatever to your last 18 days, i figured you meant an online log. you think someone doesn't know what they're eating if they don't write it down EVERY DAY?? i have my diet writtin in a notebook with everything else, but by now i pretty much have it memorized, if i forget i just check to it, and eat up what it says to. i made this diet a month or 2 ago by way of fitday.com, then i wrote it down, i don't look to fitday.com everyday, because if i eat what's on the paper i know i get what's on fitday.com.

the word lacking is pretty big. probably 99% of the bb world's diet is "lacking" by such a strict definition as yours. i'm not trying to be competitive, but trying to grow.
 
And you are a liar. You are so full of **** and everyone can see it. You are the epitome of the the classic meathead that doens't have a fuckin clue what he is talking about.

Now you have your diet written in a notebook along with fitday?

I don't think I've encountered someone so dense and full of **** than you. Please give me a goodbye grunt on your way out the door.
 
stalemate said:
for what? you? lol .
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It was getting worse, as in its bad already.


Moron.
 
stalemate said:
the word lacking is pretty big. probably 99% of the bb world's diet is "lacking" by such a strict definition as yours. i'm not trying to be competitive, but trying to grow.
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Then your diet and training does suck if you can't even grow off of Ergomax.
The fact you are losing FAT shows me your diet is LACKING IF YOU ARE TRYING TO GROW.

Another one that puts the meat in meathead.
 
Honestly my diet wasn't *fantastic* on Superdrol, but it was what I'd call "quite good" -- and I gained what I consider to be a huge amount for only 3 weeks, 12 pounds. I've kept 8 of those maintaining a "good" diet, albeit not amazing like some of the guys around here (eg: Bobo).

Yes, I realize this isn't E...Max -- it's Superdrol. But E...Max usage is coming up for me and I expect that my "good" diet tactics should net me a gain on this product as well. I will be sharing my experience as I did with Superdrol.

If you don't do well on these new compounds something is awry. Diet, training, rest, something... you should grow by the merit of your diet and training alone, and with a hormone on top of that it should be quite pronounced. IMHO, diet is probably more important that what you do IN the gym.

My lifting partner is up 23 pounds *lean* in 7 months all natural with a good diet (although I have to be on his ass all day about it) and rigorous training (same program as me). I'd almost be scared to see what he would do on a hormone. When I say he has a "good" diet I mean it like I do for myself, mostly clean but not without slip-ups and junk meals here and there.

Just my 2 cents on the diet, training, and hormone topic. I'll hand it back over to you guys now.
 
I think you two are misinterpreting each other a great deal. I don't think stalemate is backtracking, I think what he said wasn't exactly clear enough to convey what he meant.

To add to the discussion, I will be the first to admit that I ate taco bell 1-2 times a week during my SD cycle. This was not a planned cheat, I just was not terribly strict with my diet. That being said, 95% of what entered my mouth was chicken, tuna, burger, oatmeal, whole wheat, milk, egg, and various oils, somewhere around 4500 calories (varied daily). I know i could have had marginally better results if I counted everything, but I think this is good enough, especially for a powerlifter. I would not characterize my diet during that cycle as "lacking", but I wouldn't call it "perfect" either. It was good enough to gain 13 lbs in 3 weeks in any case.

Also, the poll I started has little statistical power until we get more responses, preferably in the 20s or higher.
 
SilentScream27 said:
I think you two are misinterpreting each other a great deal. I don't think stalemate is backtracking, I think what he said wasn't exactly clear enough to convey what he meant.



Also, the poll I started has little statistical power until we get more responses, preferably in the 20s or higher.
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Yeah, he didn't flip flop back and forth or anything.


:rolleyes:


It has more statistical power then Joe Blow saying its not the same compund because he hasn't gained 10lbs while increasing strenght and libido. So far its 6 for 6. 6 different peoplen used it, and 6 different results. Man, than reference point of what Ergo SHOULD do is slowly drifing away isn't it....


...yet people are making conclusions off that established, tried and true refernece point aren't they?

It seems to me that people just don't WANT to believe its the same. I guess that would take away form their daily drama quota they need.

They will turn and twist words to shape their arguement even though the evidence is clearly lacking but when faced with a logical conlcusion and the simple fact that hormone aren't predicitable given the vast amounts of variabkes present with each individual, they ignore that or find it hard to believe. That itself shows their igorance and inexperience in using androgens.

Pretty ridiculous.
 
SilentScream27 said:
To add to the discussion, I will be the first to admit that I ate taco bell 1-2 times a week during my SD cycle. This was not a planned cheat, I just was not terribly strict with my diet. That being said, 95% of what entered my mouth was chicken, tuna, burger, oatmeal, whole wheat, milk, egg, and various oils, somewhere around 4500 calories (varied daily). I know i could have had marginally better results if I counted everything, but I think this is good enough, especially for a powerlifter. I would not characterize my diet during that cycle as "lacking", but I wouldn't call it "perfect" either. It was good enough to gain 13 lbs in 3 weeks in any case.
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But you arne't comparing your use of the old ergomax and the new ergomax. If you did and did't keep the same diet or didn't keep track, its lacking.

Don't fan the flames (talking in general) of a rumor about a company producing and selling a fake product withouth some proof. From the looks of it its not proof and not even closely resembling ANYTHING reliable at all.

If people can't see that, they are blind.
 
Bobo said:
But you arne't comparing your use of the old ergomax and the new ergomax. If you did and did't keep the same diet or didn't keep track, its lacking.

Don't fan the flames (talking in general) of a rumor about a company producing and selling a fake product withouth some proof. From the looks of it its not proof and not even closely resembling ANYTHING reliable at all.

If people can't see that, they are blind.
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I think he had a worse diet on Ergomax, where he got very good results, and a very strict diet this time around with E..Max.

We need a clearer definition of what DMT is supposed to do, and then we can compare this to e..max, before anyone can say anything slanderous.
 
Increasing weight by that much isn't necessarily very good results. I can increase weight fairly easily without androgens. Consuming Nlarge 2 and hot pockets will pack on weight, but its not exactly the kind of weight people are looking for from androgens.


Slanderous? That has already happened both here and at bb.com.
 
At times I am amazed, others just in awe. This time I am just going to start watching daytime soap operas and reality show so I too can have no concept of reality.

Bobo, you said it all Lad.
 
Cheezefacta said:
Bobo, really appreciate all these responses your giving. I feel as if a response saying your happy if you gain 4-5 lbs now in a cycle is MUCH BETTER than stating "try switching to the old bottle because of <insert crazy scientist lingo here>". I think what is making everyone worried is Rea's reponses, they are so down right shady that its almost funny sometimes. Im going to continue to be pleased with my results so far and im not worried about it anymore...I just wish ALR would answer people like you do..you put more people at ease in 1 day than he did throughout all of the posts. I still respect a man like him who takes the initiative to put out such innovative products, but it almost seems as if he goes out of his way to make people more worried...hell, maybe thats what he likes?
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Amazing:

I average an 85 hour work week in multipule states and a country or two. When people wanted answers that no one else had at the time, I wrote books...over several years, as I had time. When I ran out of that hour to write at 3am, I did articles and columns for Ironman, MD, and/or Planet Muscle as a means of helping as many as possible with the time I had. I am not some skinny/fat figurehead for a company, I am actually a scientist with 19-20 inch arms (depending on how many all-nighters we have to do to keep up with the projects I want done yesterday). I actually work for a living. I anwser questions, for free, as I have some minutes to do so. In short, no, I do not have all day to sit on forums talking to people, but I do what I can and still do my job as well. My job is making supplements that make peoples bodies do all the things they dream of. Then do my best to keep them around long enough to allow people to enjoy them. I love what I do. Period. If you are waiting for me to apologize for doing my job, it will be awhile.

As to making people worry? Only the competitors that spend hours whinning on message boards and the drama queens that suck up to them.
 
Author L. Rea said:
Amazing:

I average an 85 hour work week in multipule states and a country or two. When people wanted answers that no one else had at the time, I wrote books...over several years, as I had time. When I ran out of that hour to write at 3am, I did articles and columns for Ironman, MD, and/or Planet Muscle as a means of helping as many as possible with the time I had. I am not some skinny/fat figurehead for a company, I am actually a scientist with 19-20 inch arms (depending on how many all-nighters we have to do to keep up with the projects I want done yesterday). I actually work for a living. I anwser questions, for free, as I have some minutes to do so. In short, no, I do not have all day to sit on forums talking to people, but I do what I can and still do my job as well. My job is making supplements that make peoples bodies do all the things they dream of. Then do my best to keep them around long enough to allow people to enjoy them. I love what I do. Period. If you are waiting for me to apologize for doing my job, it will be awhile.

As to making people worry? Only the competitors that spend hours whinning on message boards and the drama queens that suck up to them.
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There will allways be haters Author. Fvck'em.
 
I feel the need to pipe in here. There are a handfull of members that are waiting for the "lab results" on Emax before they try it. So what....Wait all ya want. It is you that are going to miss out. I have offered this same handfull of members refuhds or switchouts on another product because they stated they were not happy. To date I have received ZERO emails. So I can only summarize that these handfull of members are just whiners. Otherwise they would have taken me up on my offer.Author has answered all of these "Shady events" repeatedly and yet there are still some that are saying he is avoiding the subject.

We can not be held responsible for those who refuse to learn. The answers are in this forum. This is just getting pathetic.

BTW those of you who are waiting for lab results on E Max..... I gotta ask when you dine out, do you have your chicken dinner that you order tested? Because, depending on where you dine out, there may be a shortage in the cat and dog population. in that area... You just never know.; Be CAREFUL lol
 
Cheezefacta said:
Appreciate the responses..its atleast good to see you defend your product. I just hope you understand how its possible for some people to be concerned. Theres 2 different new bottles with "..." taking up most of the name, according to you both were shipped to a different country temporarily, one has an extra ingredient and one doesnt, etc etc. You hafta admit, its pretty shady :)
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Why is the truth shady? Did I need to spin some tale? My products do their job the same way I do lad. The best way possible and with integrity. Don't believe me? Please, don't buy my products. EAS has a great line these days. lol
 
LCSULLA said:
There will allways be haters Author. Fvck'em.
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Yeah...that's for sure.

And, most of the time on BBing forums, they're 175lbs, can bench 225lbs--therefore, they are THE ****.

Then when you actually pretend that you, as a supplement designer/researcher, know more than them regarding supps and imply they are too inexperienced and too naive to credibly scrutinize a product...well...they've just gotta let you have it. I hope you understand where they're coming from :rolleyes:

That's the sad thing. I can almost guarantee each one of the kids on here whining is 170lbs with a 250lb squat, and a 225lb bench and probably looks like a hotdog on a stick with arms....:rofl:
 
RAVEN said:
I feel the need to pipe in here. There are a handfull of members that are waiting for the "lab results" on Emax before they try it. So what....Wait all ya want. It is you that are going to miss out. I have offered this same handfull of members refuhds or switchouts on another product because they stated they were not happy. To date I have received ZERO emails. So I can only summarize that these handfull of members are just whiners. Otherwise they would have taken me up on my offer.Author has answered all of these "Shady events" repeatedly and yet there are still some that are saying he is avoiding the subject.

We can not be held responsible for those who refuse to learn. The answers are in this forum. This is just getting pathetic.

BTW those of you who are waiting for lab results on E Max..... I gotta ask when you dine out, do you have your chicken dinner that you order tested? Because, depending on where you dine out, there may be a shortage in the cat and dog population. in that area... You just never know.; Be CAREFUL lol
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ROFL!!!!

I have to add to this...the couple that tested the first run are from other supplement companies, and they missed the results. Either their integrity is a joke, or their chemistry is. Either way, if that is where someone gains their insights to supplemental facts, please, buy their products. One other tested it, never posted the results, and was correct by the way.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Yeah...that's for sure.

And, most of the time on BBing forums, they're 175lbs, can bench 225lbs--therefore, they are THE ****.

Then when you actually pretend that you, as a supplement designer/researcher, know more than them regarding supps and imply they are too inexperienced and too naive to credibly scrutinize a product...well...they've just gotta let you have it. I hope you understand where they're coming from :rolleyes:

That's the sad thing. I can almost guarantee each one of the kids on here whining is 170lbs with a 250lb squat, and a 225lb bench and probably looks like a hotdog on a stick with arms....:rofl:
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....and then there are the many lads I do it all for. I am outta here and thank you for the truth.
 
RAVEN said:
I feel the need to pipe in here. There are a handfull of members that are waiting for the "lab results" on Emax before they try it. So what....Wait all ya want. It is you that are going to miss out. I have offered this same handfull of members refuhds or switchouts on another product because they stated they were not happy. To date I have received ZERO emails. So I can only summarize that these handfull of members are just whiners. Otherwise they would have taken me up on my offer.Author has answered all of these "Shady events" repeatedly and yet there are still some that are saying he is avoiding the subject.

We can not be held responsible for those who refuse to learn. The answers are in this forum. This is just getting pathetic.

BTW those of you who are waiting for lab results on E Max..... I gotta ask when you dine out, do you have your chicken dinner that you order tested? Because, depending on where you dine out, there may be a shortage in the cat and dog population. in that area... You just never know.; Be CAREFUL lol
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i take offence to your comments. i am one of those people you offered refunds too. as stated i just cant risk shipping banned substances around the world. it was hard enough getting the stuff down here in the first place. this is partially the reason i "whinged" as you said. to go to all the risk and yet refuse all testing of the product raises further doubts in my mind. if you guys arent scared test it. HP did the same thing and corrected their mistake when they were positive the cee was real. DS did the same with their rxt. i would sooner thrwo them away and stop buying alri than risk getting on customs banned list. if you want me to verify i am a user and not a supp company i can provide you with substantiation of my purchase and photos of the bottles. i am open to testing and verification if it makes you happy.

in relation to the chicken. if i go out and order chicken and it tastes like fish. i first question it, then complain, before reporting them and getting it tested. this is whats happening here with supps. same deal, so im not sure what your getting at.
 
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