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kwyckemynd00 said:
That's the sad thing. I can almost guarantee each one of the kids on here whining is 170lbs with a 250lb squat, and a 225lb bench and probably looks like a hotdog on a stick with arms....:rofl:
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LMAO
 
Author L. Rea said:
I have to add to this...the couple that tested the first run are from other supplement companies, and they missed the results.
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I have spent far too much time arguing this point that seems to be ignored by so many. In addition, I find it odd as to how much time some have dedicated towards directing animosity at ALR and ALRI. To me it is simple, either you buy a product or you do not. No one is forced to use anything.
 
BBing is 80-90% diet, the rest is proper lifting. Your diet needs to be clean if you want to gain the right kind of weight. Androgens only help. :) Do the sport right, not half-assed.
 
size said:
I have spent far too much time arguing this point that seems to be ignored by so many.
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I missed this, are you saying they told us the wrong info?
 
Ghosting said:
I missed this, are you saying they told us the wrong info?
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My point is that the "tests" were done by a competing companies. To me, this is obviously a conflict of interest and should immediately draw questions.
 
size said:
My point is that the "tests" were done by a competing companies. To me, this is obviously a conflict of interest and should immediately draw questions.
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Good point. :)
 
I am glad that you took offense to my comments as they were intended that way. Simply because you come back with rhetorical commnetary, I assume you must have missed the point. No we dont want your business. We have absolutely no desire to give up the Pherabolix matirx and would much rather lose one customer than several hundred thousands of dollars in investment. Obviously since no one has been able to get it correct, we certainly have no intent of giving up unnecessary info ( by law or otherwise) You obviously already think we are liars, So why bother reading these posts? There are no words that can convey common sense to a closed mind.

You sir can ship anything out of a country to a country where the products are legal. It is getting it shipped in that creates legal problems. So you are defrauding your government, but you are concerned about ALRI being legit? I have to question the source. We dont trip about what other people do or think. We do things one way....with integrity, quality and true innovation. Please ship your product back and I will be more than happy to reimburse you plus any and all shipping fees. WE DO NOT WANT UNHAPPY PEOPLE IN OUR CORNER. Just the facts my friend.



onshow said:
i take offence to your comments. i am one of those people you offered refunds too. as stated i just cant risk shipping banned substances around the world. it was hard enough getting the stuff down here in the first place. this is partially the reason i "whinged" as you said. to go to all the risk and yet refuse all testing of the product raises further doubts in my mind. if you guys arent scared test it. HP did the same thing and corrected their mistake when they were positive the cee was real. DS did the same with their rxt. i would sooner thrwo them away and stop buying alri than risk getting on customs banned list. if you want me to verify i am a user and not a supp company i can provide you with substantiation of my purchase and photos of the bottles. i am open to testing and verification if it makes you happy.

in relation to the chicken. if i go out and order chicken and it tastes like fish. i first question it, then complain, before reporting them and getting it tested. this is whats happening here with supps. same deal, so im not sure what your getting at.
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Hey .... I bench 235 for reps and I am a chick. Kwyckemynd00.... tell these guys to atleast out bench the women before popping off. lol

BTW GREAT POST



kwyckemynd00 said:
Yeah...that's for sure.

And, most of the time on BBing forums, they're 175lbs, can bench 225lbs--therefore, they are THE ****.

Then when you actually pretend that you, as a supplement designer/researcher, know more than them regarding supps and imply they are too inexperienced and too naive to credibly scrutinize a product...well...they've just gotta let you have it. I hope you understand where they're coming from :rolleyes:

That's the sad thing. I can almost guarantee each one of the kids on here whining is 170lbs with a 250lb squat, and a 225lb bench and probably looks like a hotdog on a stick with arms....:rofl:
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Ghosting said:
I missed this, are you saying they told us the wrong info?
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Why would another supplement company, a competitor, want to mislead you? Not to be rude Lad, but that is like asking your wife's ex-husband for facts: The facts are always going to be tainted and put into light best for them.

There really are several great and honorable companies in the industry. Gaspari, DS and Molecular Nutrition as only a few examples. And personally, I will not lower myself to speak ill of another company publically. It is so cowardly. But I certainly cheer good ones and welcome their contributions to the industry.
 
Author L. Rea said:
Why would another supplement company, a competitor, want to mislead you? Not to be rude Lad, but that is like asking your wife's ex-husband for facts: The facts are always going to be tainted and put into light best for them.

There really are several great and honorable companies in the industry. Gaspari, DS and Molecular Nutrition as only a few examples. And personally, I will not lower myself to speak ill of another company publically. It is so cowardly. But I certainly cheer good ones and welcome their contributions to the industry.
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I guess I was naive enough to think (besides Muscle Tech :) ) that the majority of people in the industry are honest. I guess I am too much of an idealist hoping for a utopian society. :) When I guess I need to be more of a realist.
 
RAVEN said:
Hey .... I bench 235 for reps and I am a chick. Kwyckemynd00.... tell these guys to atleast out bench the women before popping off. lol

BTW GREAT POST
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You kick ass :D

I wanna see that...I've never seen a chick bench that much...that's insane.

How is your squat and dead? :think:

If I ever make my way out to NV, can I go workout with you? :bow:

edit: ventura, eh? who picks up the phone there? I thought that was you?
 
My best squat was 315 for 4 and Dead was 275 for 6. However I have seen better days on the back situation, so now I leg press mostly. My leg press is at 18 plates. I train with Author a bit so he really pushes me to do my best :)
 
RAVEN said:
I am glad that you took offense to my comments as they were intended that way. Simply because you come back with rhetorical commnetary, I assume you must have missed the point. No we dont want your business. We have absolutely no desire to give up the Pherabolix matirx and would much rather lose one customer than several hundred thousands of dollars in investment. Obviously since no one has been able to get it correct, we certainly have no intent of giving up unnecessary info ( by law or otherwise) You obviously already think we are liars, So why bother reading these posts? There are no words that can convey common sense to a closed mind.

You sir can ship anything out of a country to a country where the products are legal. It is getting it shipped in that creates legal problems. So you are defrauding your government, but you are concerned about ALRI being legit? I have to question the source. We dont trip about what other people do or think. We do things one way....with integrity, quality and true innovation. Please ship your product back and I will be more than happy to reimburse you plus any and all shipping fees. WE DO NOT WANT UNHAPPY PEOPLE IN OUR CORNER. Just the facts my friend.
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this says a lot about your customer service (or lack of). my lack of desire to ship illegal products from my country serves no relationship to your lack of safety of what your consumers are taking. At no point did i request a chemical breakdown of your compound. i was purely after a confirmation based on fact that it was the same. your verbal confirmation, means nothing to me or any other user. has anyone at your company tested it to confirm its the same or hasnt changed in any way, possibly due to spoiling or bad shipment or storage processes?? it is fine to say its the same but with no evidence its as if you are burying your head in the sand in the event that it isnt the same.

and to export these back to you i would have to register a customs slip and my address details so this is obviously not possible with this compound for legal reasons. your reference to me defrauding my government possesses no relevance in this discussion. you may be as patriotic as you want, but you are selling borderline legal anabolics which require illegal pct, so please refrain from your preaching to me about ethics.

i guess since this is your companies stance it will also unfortunately be my last alri purchase. if simple questions and queries about possible toxicity or bad compounds causes this problem id hate to find out the denials that will come through if its true or what in the hell you do put in these things.
 
onshow said:
good luck to you all.
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Later Skater. I am on E....Max right now and having great results. This is my first ALRI cycle and I had gained about 5 lbs in my first 4 days, strength gains are steady, and libido has not changed. I am keeping my log at another forum that I cannot post do to rules.
 
onshow said:
your reference to me defrauding my government possesses no relevance in this discussion. you may be as patriotic as you want, but you are selling borderline legal anabolics which require illegal pct
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Not to jump in the fire here as Im sure Raven is capable of explaining what she meant, but her mentioning you defrauding the government, is an attack back at your personal character as you first made one about ALRI putting bad or other material in E Max. Seemed like a fair exchange to me. :)
As for illegal PCT this is untrue. Also if you choose to use research chems like Nolva without a script, then it is you that makes it illegal, however, nolva is not necessary.
 
Ghosting said:
Not to jump in the fire here as Im sure Raven is capable of explaining what she meant, but her mentioning you defrauding the government, is an attack back at your personal character as you first made one about ALRI putting bad or other material in E Max. Seemed like a fair exchange to me. :)
As for illegal PCT this is untrue. Also if you choose to use research chems like Nolva without a script, then it is you that makes it illegal, however, nolva is not necessary.
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personal exchanges are bad business practice and again, if that is the way they do business then good luck to them. It seems businesses in the US can get away with a lot more than us down here. we'd have consumer affairs knocking on the door before there was even a hint of doubt about a local product. i guess restricted imports are what you get in lieu of a good business practice.

also, just to confirm i never questioned they put stuff in there, just the possiblity the compound has changed in some way from the first batch. i never even asked for a description just a confirmation that they have tested the batched and confirmed its the same thing which i dont think is too much to ask.

nolva is illegal without script in the US, the fact they make a product that requires it "on hand" is questionable to say the least. im not knocking the products at all, just questioning Raven personal attacks. ALR perhaps consider some employee training in this department. I could organise this for you if I was over there as it is my specialty. ironic i suppose.
 
This is a moot issue. You want to know what we put in our products? Read the label. I have offered you every out at NO additional expense to you. Best of luck to you





onshow said:
this says a lot about your customer service (or lack of). my lack of desire to ship illegal products from my country serves no relationship to your lack of safety of what your consumers are taking. At no point did i request a chemical breakdown of your compound. i was purely after a confirmation based on fact that it was the same. your verbal confirmation, means nothing to me or any other user. has anyone at your company tested it to confirm its the same or hasnt changed in any way, possibly due to spoiling or bad shipment or storage processes?? it is fine to say its the same but with no evidence its as if you are burying your head in the sand in the event that it isnt the same.

and to export these back to you i would have to register a customs slip and my address details so this is obviously not possible with this compound for legal reasons. your reference to me defrauding my government possesses no relevance in this discussion. you may be as patriotic as you want, but you are selling borderline legal anabolics which require illegal pct, so please refrain from your preaching to me about ethics.

i guess since this is your companies stance it will also unfortunately be my last alri purchase. if simple questions and queries about possible toxicity or bad compounds causes this problem id hate to find out the denials that will come through if its true or what in the hell you do put in these things.
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Funny how I am attacking you after your repeated outbursts on our line. Again moot issue best of luck



onshow said:
personal exchanges are bad business practice and again, if that is the way they do business then good luck to them. It seems businesses in the US can get away with a lot more than us down here. we'd have consumer affairs knocking on the door before there was even a hint of doubt about a local product. i guess restricted imports are what you get in lieu of a good business practice.

also, just to confirm i never questioned they put stuff in there, just the possiblity the compound has changed in some way from the first batch. i never even asked for a description just a confirmation that they have tested the batched and confirmed its the same thing which i dont think is too much to ask.

nolva is illegal without script in the US, the fact they make a product that requires it "on hand" is questionable to say the least. im not knocking the products at all, just questioning Raven personal attacks. ALR perhaps consider some employee training in this department. I could organise this for you if I was over there as it is my specialty. ironic i suppose.
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stalemate said:
so far to date: 2 gained lbs., 1% BF dropped.
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Sounds like it is working after all
:cheers:
 
This weekend...

I haven't read all of the posts in this thread but I wanted to update the board about how my weekend went...

I see my girlfriend once per week. On Max LMG some weeks sex didn't even cross my mind while we were together. Typically (naturally) I'm up for it one time and that's it. Without getting graphic let me say that this weekend the fourth time I was excited as the first...and as I was seeing her off I'd really have liked to have done it a fifth time. Never experienced anything like that. It was a great weekend in that respect.

Saturday two things happened that bothered me and are going to force me to stop using E...Max. First was that my left nipple got real sore Friday night. By Sunday night the tissue under the nipple (it was kind of off-center...high on the nipple) was harder than the right side. I swear this is not in my head...in the past I've had itchiness (from M1,4add) and have gotten paranoid that I was about to get gyno but this is clearly more serious than that. I would just add tamoxifen or Ultra Hot typically as I don't think I'm gyno-prone based on the things I've used in the past...but there is a second reason I'm stopping.

Second is that I got very sick to my stomach on Saturday night. This has happened to me before (with Superdrol) as for whatever reason my stomach is very finicky. I'm still feeling very ill right now. This will NOT be an issue for any of you guys/gals...I've had a fucked up stomach (it is actually the lining of my small intestine that is messed up) for years and some things I tolerate just fine and some I do not. This must fall into the category of things that I cannot tolerate.
 
Unreal thread!

I would just like to say to the poeple of ALRI i hope you continue to post here despite some of the less than positive (to put it mildly) posts made in this thread. Your contribution (aside from your suppliments) is valuable to all.

And Bobo, thats some quality ass kicking, very entertaining.
 
Let me say this as I have said in another thread in this forum: I have taken both the new and the old ergo in the same cycle recently and thought them to be the same. I switched after week 3 and for the last two weeks of the cycle I noticed NO CHANGE. My libido remained high, my strength continued to climb, my workouts were continually more intense, and I continued to get the freaky pumps that I had become accustomed to in the first phase of the cycle. My diet was under maintenance, but I still managed to gain 6 pounds while losing bodyfat. Overall I would estimate an 8lb gain in lean body mass. While on lower than average carbs, my strength increased, my muscles stayed full, and my energy levels stayed high. All of which is out of the ordinary for me. This stuff is the real deal, the problem is that now that it is available to EVERYONE (when the first run was rather secretive) and the user feedback was so good with the first group of people who used it (most of whom had extensive experience w/ hormones, diet, training, etc.) that people are expecting a miracle from a supplement. That is just too bad. Believe me after 5 years of training seriously, going from 128lbs in 2000 to 223lbs this morning, if I can gain 3lbs of quality muscle every 2 months I will be happy. Consider what people are complaining about, "It's been 18 days and I have only gained 3lbs LBM," that is just over a pound a week or 60.7lbs a year, if that was normal or even possible for extended periods of time under similar situations, I would be 431.5lbs of lean muscle right now. Pretty silly huh? This is the last point I will make on this thread: if you only ever did flyes for your chest, how well would you develop the muscle? Not very good right? So if you can understand the concept of periodization and progressive resistance in your training, try applying that to your supplementation as well. Of course the first weight training regimen you ever followed worked, it was new. Then your body adapted and you had to make changes to continue to grow. Same with hormone manipulation. Now I must go eat chicken breast, brown rice,and broccoli before I fade away. If you are to lazy to read the entire post I will summarize: Grow up children, and accept reality: There is NO miracle suuplement!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
i agree. i hope ALR and RAVEN are not soured by this thread. myself, though ergo is such an extraordinary product, i hope it fades into the sunset gracely and we can all move on, setting aside all this crap. if it's around for quite a while, hopefully people can just use and STFU!

200wannabe said:
Unreal thread!

I would just like to say to the poeple of ALRI i hope you continue to post here despite some of the less than positive (to put it mildly) posts made in this thread. Your contribution (aside from your suppliments) is valuable to all.

And Bobo, thats some quality ass kicking, very entertaining.
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Dungeon1 said:
... going from 128lbs in 2000 to 223lbs this morning, if I can gain 3lbs of quality muscle every 2 months I will be happy.
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Congrats! Those are amazing results. You wouldn't happen to have before and after pics?
 
onshow said:
i guess since this is your companies stance it will also unfortunately be my last alri purchase. if simple questions and queries about possible toxicity or bad compounds causes this problem id hate to find out the denials that will come through if its true or what in the hell you do put in these things.
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Great, I guess I won't have to put up with unnecessary BS in the ALRI forum. I wish the rest of the whiners would line up and do the same. I for one will continue to buy products from ALRI. Poor customer service? See how many other companies will interact with you on an online forum like ALRI does; answering questions, providing info, and lately putting up with incessant BS.

Keep em coming ALRI
 
jonny21 said:
Great, I guess I won't have to put up with unnecessary BS in the ALRI forum. I wish the rest of the whiners would line up and do the same. I for one will continue to buy products from ALRI. Poor customer service? See how many other companies will interact with you on an online forum like ALRI does; answering questions, providing info, and lately putting up with incessant BS.

Keep em coming ALRI
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Not to mention, they are humans just like they rest of us. You know emotions and actual blood flowing through their veins, not just some emotionless robot. How long can anyone rise above complaints or "turn the other cheek" before they react in their defense? I know I would be less courteous to people doubting my word. I'd be using 4 letter words by now. :)
 
Doesn't matter anymore. These guys personal god PA posted that it E-max was the same as Ergomax LMG.
 
Up until today I've been on e...max lmg for 16 days with zero results. My diet and training are absolutely perfect. BUT, in the past couple of hours since the test results, I've gained 14 lbs of pure, sinewy muscle. emax is da ****. :lol: just kidding of course..... I have some stashed away but haven't used it yet. This whole thing cracks me up.

dd
 
Ummm, that diet was made yesterday. That was written after the fact. But, bro, thats the diet he sticklty adheres too. :rolleyes: Even if he really is eating cleaner this time, Bobo already explained the diff in eating clean & dirty. Not to mention the results are out from PA showing they are the same thing.
 
Ghosting said:
Ummm, that diet was made yesterday. That was written after the fact. But, bro, thats the diet he sticklty adheres too. :rolleyes: Even if he really is eating cleaner this time, Bobo already explained the diff in eating clean & dirty. Not to mention the results are out from PA showing they are the same thing.
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He's a dildo.
 
LCSULLA said:
Doesn't matter anymore. These guys personal god PA posted that it E-max was the same as Ergomax LMG.
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I still think Bobo should create a sub-forum or something specifically for sniveling. People could post their whinings about how powerful androgens don't work miracles, and are therefore bunk. Maybe one of the Mod Squad could be the official chaplain. You know, where these good folks could go to get their cards punched, and correspond with other unfortunate victims.

If you are seriously concerned about supp co.'s that are a rip-off, I feel your pain. Only the one's you are griping about (ALRI and DS, for example) are the good one's, which are salvaging the otherwise horrible reputation of the industry in general. We are lucky to have such sincerely dedicated and quality sponsors!
 
40-yard dash_2 said:
Here is Stalemate's diet:Invalid Link Removed
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Do you actually believe that is his diet? I aksed him 3 times to post it and he didn't. He said it was on Fitday yet he wouldn't post it. Then he says its written in his notebook. Yeah right. Then after he was booted, he all of a sudden posts his diet laden with insults.

Its really simple. E..max tested out to be the same tihng he used before and now he understands why his diet is important and why hormones don't always react the same way twice. So it really doens't matter what he says now because I'm sure he is busy wiping those eggs off his face after proving what a complete moron he is.

So all you guys can go back to theorizing about what Author is lying about now.

Its just funny seeing how completely clueless some people are.


Are we getting the "Well I really didn't doubt that is was real, I was just curious" comments yet? Uhhh...yeah right.


God, I feel all warm and fuzzy inside that I am hated so much over there. I must be doing something right....

I can see you still need your daily drama huh 40?
 
It is funny seeing them all complain about being banned....hehehe....I love it :D
 
Bobo said:
Do you actually believe that is his diet? I aksed him 3 times to post it and he didn't. He said it was on Fitday yet he wouldn't post it. Then he says its written in his notebook. Yeah right. Then after he was booted, he all of a sudden posts his diet laden with insults.

Its really simple. E..max tested out to be the same tihng he used before and now he understands why his diet is important and why hormones don't always react the same way twice. So it really doens't matter what he says now because I'm sure he is busy wiping those eggs off his face after proving what a complete moron he is.

So all you guys can go back to theorizing about what Author is lying about now.

Its just funny seeing how completely clueless some people are.


Are we getting the "Well I really didn't doubt that is was real, I was just curious" comments yet? Uhhh...yeah right.


God, I feel all warm and fuzzy inside that I am hated so much over there. I must be doing something right....

I can see you still need your daily drama huh 40?
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Naw bro, I don't feel the need for daily drama. He wanted you to see his diet, so I posted the link.
 
milwood said:
Bobo's one of those mean clowns, from outer space... ;)
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Yeah...I saw that movie once... :D



Anyway,
I Gotta give PA a little credit here. He could have just let the hate fest continue, but he went ahead and did the testing and posted the results, knowing full well that his BB.com sheeple would believe every last thing that comes from his mouth....
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
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I Gotta give PA a little credit here. He could have just let the hate fest continue, but he went ahead and did the testing and posted the results, knowing full well that his BB.com sheeple would believe every last thing that comes from his mouth....
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Care to provide a link to the test results?
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Yeah...I saw that movie once... :D



Anyway,
I Gotta give PA a little credit here. He could have just let the hate fest continue, but he went ahead and did the testing and posted the results, knowing full well that his BB.com sheeple would believe every last thing that comes from his mouth....
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Yep, In PA we trust.:box:
 
40-yard dash_2 said:
Naw bro, I don't feel the need for daily drama. He wanted you to see his diet, so I posted the link.
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Right.



:rolleyes:
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Yeah...I saw that movie once... :D



Anyway,
I Gotta give PA a little credit here. He could have just let the hate fest continue, but he went ahead and did the testing and posted the results, knowing full well that his BB.com sheeple would believe every last thing that comes from his mouth....
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:rolleyes:
 
40-yard dash_2 said:
Yep, In PA we trust.:box:
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Yeah, that spray dried bovine serum is great stuff.



:lol:
 
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