Post your E...max Results so far...

stalemate said:
note: i'd be plenty happy with 5 lbs./week muscle OR NOT. :D but 5.8 in 2 weeks doesn't impress me knowing that at least 2 is from my diet.
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Are you kidding me? You serisouly need to come back to reality.

You woudln't be impressed with 6lbs in 2 weeks? Unbelievable.


And people are taking your workd then twisting that into sayting "its bunk"

Its just comical at this point.
 
Bobo said:
Because the effects on aldosterone production decrease. You are arguiing over WATER WEIGHT.

Oh I forget you are taking Sesathin right?
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i'm not arguing man. honestly. and yes, i'm taking sesathin. 1.5mL/day at night with about 20g fats.
 
To show you how differnet the effect are I gained 18lbs my first test cycle...


If I get 4-5lbs now, I'm happy. You just don't gain NEARLY as much and the closer you come to your genetic potential the less positive effects you will see with the same dosage.
 
Bobo said:
To show you how differnet the effect are I gained 18lbs my first test cycle...


If I get 4-5lbs now, I'm happy. You just don't gain NEARLY as much and the closer you come to your genetic potential the less positive effects you will see with the same dosage.
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well, then i'll be happy no matter what with this cycle. as long as i gain at least 2 lbs. thank you for your input, Bobo.
 
stalemate said:
i'm not arguing man. honestly. and yes, i'm taking sesathin. 1.5mL/day at night with about 20g fats.
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Sesathin flattens me out bigtime and kills my libido. I was a beta tester long ago and its a good supplementt when used properly. I already see people not taking this into account.
 
Bobo said:
Sesathin flattens me out bigtime and kills my libido. I was a beta tester long ago and its a good supplementt when used properly. I already see people not taking this into account.
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what do you mean exactly by "flattens" you out. did you cut with it? over all did you end up really liking the product judging off of your experience? i definately am loving this product and have noticed no libido drop, perhaps because i'm not dosing the recommended dosages? and i think it tastes damn good too! :D i'm one of the few from what i read.
 
40-yard dash_2 said:
Hey, Max LMG is some good stuff, just a libido killer.
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And a former client of mine has his libido go through the roof on that stuff. Another exmaple of how people react and that doens't mean its bunk.
 
stalemate said:
what do you mean exactly by "flattens" you out. did you cut with it? over all did you end up really liking the product judging off of your experience? i definately am loving this product and have noticed no libido drop, perhaps because i'm not dosing the recommended dosages? and i think it tastes damn good too! :D i'm one of the few from what i read.
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Sesathin by its effects on metabolism inhibits optimal glycogen storage. It is mildy ant-anabolic.

So when I take it, I look depleted a bit.
 
Bobo, really appreciate all these responses your giving. I feel as if a response saying your happy if you gain 4-5 lbs now in a cycle is MUCH BETTER than stating "try switching to the old bottle because of <insert crazy scientist lingo here>". I think what is making everyone worried is Rea's reponses, they are so down right shady that its almost funny sometimes. Im going to continue to be pleased with my results so far and im not worried about it anymore...I just wish ALR would answer people like you do..you put more people at ease in 1 day than he did throughout all of the posts. I still respect a man like him who takes the initiative to put out such innovative products, but it almost seems as if he goes out of his way to make people more worried...hell, maybe thats what he likes?
 
Bobo said:
And a former client of mine has his libido go through the roof on that stuff. Another exmaple of how people react and that doens't mean its bunk.
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that is very true, as i have read that someone was adjusting their doses and went from poor libido to a slight libido increase. i'm sure not the same person.
 
On day 16 and 10lbs heavier, on a cutting cycle, using this with Thermonex, and cycling carbs. Strength increase, as well a feeling of being pumped all day. Bf went from 15 to 12 %. Def loving the fatloss, and strength gains on a cutting cycle. Will be posting some before and after pics too. ohh yeah my current weight is 240lbs
 
Bobo said:
And a former client of mine has his libido go through the roof on that stuff. Another exmaple of how people react and that doens't mean its bunk.
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Ill argue Max LMG to the death...gained almost an inch on my arms and over an inch on my legs. Weight went up approx 10-12 lbs and I was very happy with the product as a whole.
 
Cheezefacta said:
I feel as if a response saying your happy if you gain 4-5 lbs now in a cycle is MUCH BETTER than stating "try switching to the old bottle because of <insert crazy scientist lingo here>". I think what is making everyone worried is Rea's reponses, they are so down right shady that its almost funny sometimes. Im going to continue to be pleased with my results so far and im not worried about it anymore...I just wish ALR would answer people like you do..you put more people at ease in 1 day than he did throughout all of the posts. I still respect a man like him who takes the initiative to put out such innovative products, but it almost seems as if he goes out of his way to make people more worried...hell, maybe thats what he likes?
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Well if it keeps up I'm sure he just make stop making them then you all will be very happy.

All I know is that he getting a lot of exposure and he might be sitting back and laughing at this point. If his products didn't work it would be another thing but for the most part, they do and do it very well. I just love seeing people bitch and complain about someone who puts out products that actually work.

Nobody in this industry will ever be accepted 100%. You will always have people that problems with SOMETHING. At this point with all the speculation about if this is bunk or not, the bottome line is that his products tend ot work and when you don't know who to believe (since everyone seems to have an agenda) then I would look at the overall feedback for various products. In his case, he looks pretty good.
 
It seems the ones who constantly bash ALRI are the ones who WANT to see him fail.

In fact, those who are bashing now in general buy their products and have them "stashed away". Doens't it seem funy that after they were banned from here then tehy are all of a sudden anti-AM and anti-ALRI?



....yet they create mutiple usernames and mutiple IP's through a proxy server to stay on here and "report" to other boards what everyone else posts here.

I don't have an agenda. My sponsors pay me regardless if I defend them or not. I could just sit back and collect if I wanted too.
 
I think the bigest problem here is at the time of the ban Ergomax was released. It got overhyped, and now that things have settled down and a few people dont get to say its the greatest thing since sliced bread. Everyone is doing a WTF now, saying I read one guys log who gained 50 lbs of muscle and lost 20 lbs of fat. Another thing is people were taking 40, 50, 60mg doses with the first one.
 
Ghosting said:
I think the bigest problem here is at the time of the ban Ergomax was released. It got overhyped, and now that things have settled down and a few people dont get to say its the greatest thing since sliced bread. Everyone is doing a WTF now, saying I read one guys log who gained 50 lbs of muscle and lost 20 lbs of fat. Another thing is people were taking 40, 50, 60mg doses with the first one.
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and some people(you) are just completely exaggerating things. that is not the way to disprove things. i speak from firsthand experience.
 
I also think a ton of inexperinced lifters (who think they are experienced), expect it to be easy, with 10-20 lbs of LBM to come from these cycles, later when they become vets, they will realize it doesnt work this way.
 
stalemate said:
and some people(you) are just completely exaggerating things. that is not the way to disprove things. i speak from firsthand experience.
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What are you talking about? Im not addressing you. Relax Tonto. :)
 
40-yard dash_2 said:
Yep, currently in my second cycle and up 8 pounds in 14 days. I'm lovin' it!
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Is this you "speculating"?
 
I have to add to what I said, you can gain weight on cycle and a caloric deficit if, it was water,which you wouldnt keep after the cycle. So gains on yes, gained from no.
 
Classic exmaple here:


"In case you missed it the point of this thread is that ALR said that ATD in and of itself will not work by itself without other compounds in support and we are simply rebutting his eronious comment."

Wrong. He said there were problems with it by itself due to bioavailability as in the same way 4AD has poor bioavailaibty as in the same way Formestane has shitty bioavailaibty. He never said it doens't work but it has its problems as with all drugs and that including other compaiound can enhance its effects. I can make that same arguement with AI's, SERMS, etc.. and their limitations.

1-AD has limitaitons and problems by itself and why Avant put out 1-Test in a transdermal carrier.

These people just don't have a clue what they are talking about.


This is a perfect example of how someone takes something ALRI says and completelty twists it around so they can bash them. THe problem is that the majority of the people don't have a fuckin clue what they are tlaking about and if you asked them to explain the methods and pathways in which these drugs work they couldn't give you jack ****.

And these are the same people who are bashing ALRI for Ergomax now.....same crowd, same idiot posts, same clueless fucks...
 
And if you wondering about why Author hasn't answered, he hasn't logged on in over 30+ hours.

Why don't you specualte some more and talk about how he is avoiding the question.
 
Bobo said:
Is this you "speculating"?
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No sir, because the original Ergomax has been tested, so we know what it is; however, the new E...Max has not been tested, therefore we are all speculating on it.
 
Author L. Rea said:
I would suggest that you switch to an old bottle but use the same dosages. When you expose tissue and receptors to a given plasma level of any substance there is a series of adaptations that occur: The number of stimulated receptors or sensitivity decreases as example, meaning that a lessor dosage would have not only reduced tissue results/activity profiles, but also less active material to work with. Consider the lad on a high protein diet that gains 2-3lbs of lean mass then decreases total protein by 20 or more %. The result would be loss of nitrogen.
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so did anyone explain this one in terms a clueless **** like me would understand?:lol: cuz i asked him to clarify and he has not. just want to know exactly what he is suggesting and why so that i can go abouts doing it, as he said, he used the 2 products 2 months apart himself, and noticed identical results. and he's dang close if not beyond his genetic limit. so....
 
I think it has come down to the " I would suggest that you switch to an old bottle but use the same dosages" answer. Bobo, what do you think he meant by that? Your answer would be appreciated since you are logged in.
 
So you are loving your results and love his products but are spenbding a good deal of time still in this thread and another complaining how you arne't getting answers to a product in which you love?

Am I getting this right?


See, unlike those who have bashed him in the last 24 hours because their lives consist of creating **** on a meesage board, Author actually is busy creating the products that you love so much yet to continue to specualte how its bunk.

And where is this COA on the original Ergomax?
 
stalemate said:
so did anyone explain this one in terms a clueless **** like me would understand?:lol: cuz i asked him to clarify and he has not. just want to know exactly what he is suggesting and why so that i can go abouts doing it, as he said, he used the 2 products 2 months apart himself, and noticed identical results. and he's dang close if not beyond his genetic limit. so....
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He hasn't logged on in 30+ hours.
 
Bobo said:
So you are loving your results and love his products but are spenbding a good deal of time still in this thread and another complaining how you arne't getting answers to a product in which you love?

Am I getting this right?


See, unlike those who have bashed him in the last 24 hours because their lives consist of creating **** on a meesage board, Author actually is busy creating the products that you love so much yet to continue to specualte how its bunk.

And where is this COA on the original Ergomax?
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If that's how you interpret it, then yeah, I guess your right as always. I don't see where I have bashed him or his products. I was simply posting results a buddy of mine was experiencing, because they are a good number of people who are not getting the results they had expected from this newer version of E...Max. Had he gained 7 pounds the first week, I would have still posted his results and obviously you would have embraced them instead of the latter, which consists of you doing what you always do when people question. I just don't remember anyone who was dissatisfied or complaining with the original Ergomax.
 
Cheezefacta said:
I think it has come down to the " I would suggest that you switch to an old bottle but use the same dosages" answer. Bobo, what do you think he meant by that? Your answer would be appreciated since you are logged in.
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Well it seems to me that pepole were questioning whether the new one was the same as the last one. He wans't getting results on the new one so to prove that the new one was the same as the old one he told the guy to use the old one. Now if he continue not to get anything in terms of results then you know the issue has to do with AR downregulation and NOT the substance in question. If the guy starts to gain like crazy then everyone and their mother knows their is a difference.

See the thread started off with comments like this:

"this is great,im sure people heard there was A PH that INCREASED libido and put on mass, and now, out of the blue, its re-released and no libido increasing.

Sledge is the man. trust is key in this industry."

So either the guy continues to not get results in wihch we know both substances are the same, or he gains like crazy off the old one and Author gets egg all over his face. Do you hionestly think he would set himself up like that if he KNEW they were different?

It seems he was actually trying to put the guys mind at ease but he gets ridiculed for that as well.
 
40-yard dash_2 said:
If that's how you interpret it, then yeah, I guess your right as always. I don't see where I have bashed him or his products. I was simply posting results a buddy of mine was experiencing, because they are a good number of people who are not getting the results they had expected from this newer version of E...Max. Had he gained 7 pounds the first week, I would have still posted his results and obviously you would have embraced them instead of the latter, which consists of you doing what you always do when people question. I just don't remember anyone who was dissatisfied or complaining with the original Ergomax.
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Well I didn't mean you in particular. Maybe I should have worded it better but it seems people are still fanning the flames over what? A products that is working? Doesn't that seem a LITTLE ridiculous in your eyes?
 
Bobo said:
Well I didn't mean you in particular. Maybe I should have worded it better but it seems people are still fanning the flames over what? A products that is working? Doesn't that seem a LITTLE ridiculous in your eyes?
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Well, at least we agree on something. Yes.
 
Bobo said:
Well it seems to me that pepole were questioning whether the new one was the same as the last one. He wans't getting results on the new one so to prove that the new one was the same as the old one he told the guy to use the old one. Now if he continue not to get anything in terms of results then you know the issue has to do with AR downregulation and NOT the substance in question. If the guy starts to gain like crazy then everyone and their mother knows their is a difference.

See the thread started off with comments like this:

"this is great,im sure people heard there was A PH that INCREASED libido and put on mass, and now, out of the blue, its re-released and no libido increasing.

Sledge is the man. trust is key in this industry."

So either the guy continues to not get results in wihch we know both substances are the same, or he gains like crazy off the old one and Author gets egg all over his face. Do you hionestly think he would set himself up like that if he KNEW they were different?

It seems he was actually trying to put the guys mind at ease but he gets ridiculed for that as well.
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actually the post was to me about switching bottles. but i'd be willing to betcha 20 ebux that if i switched and started gaining like mad people would call bull sh1t by way of placebo and conspiracy theory-ing, not to mention the rumor of all of the gains starting at week 3 or 4, which was NOT the case with my first cycle of the old bottle. sounds like he recommended using the old bottle because it is a different substance.
 
Its true that he is being ridiculed over his responses. Its really hard to put the blame on anyone though because its only human to need closure. You put any amount of doubt in a consumers head, and its going to be widespread bullshit SOON after. I think he just has answers where he doesnt choose the wording correctly. In the post he made about changing bottles, he followed up with it using an explaination that almost made it seem as if the guy switched to the old bottle, that results would kick in and thats what threw people off. He should have just stated that the user switch to the old bottle and realize that results are the same (or not) and that would have sufficed.
 
stalemate said:
actually the post was to me about switching bottles. but i'd be willing to betcha 20 ebux that if i switched and started gaining like mad people would call bull sh1t by way of placebo and conspiracy theory-ing, not to mention the rumor of all of the gains starting at week 3 or 4, which was NOT the case with my first cycle of the old bottle. sounds like he recommended using the old bottle because it is a different substance.
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So in other words, whatever you do ALRI will get negative comments about them. If you don't gain its fake. If you gain its placebo.

And you actually tihnk he would tell you to use the other bottle because it was differnet? You were questioning whether they were the same and he told you to use both so you could see they are the same. How else would you know?!?!?!?!
 
Cheezefacta said:
Its true that he is being ridiculed over his responses. Its really hard to put the blame on anyone though because its only human to need closure. You put any amount of doubt in a consumers head, and its going to be widespread bullshit SOON after. I think he just has answers where he doesnt choose the wording correctly. In the post he made about changing bottles, he followed up with it using an explaination that almost made it seem as if the guy switched to the old bottle, that results would kick in and thats what threw people off. He should have just stated that the user switch to the old bottle and realize that results are the same (or not) and that would have sufficed.
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His statement makes perfect sense to me. He explanined that you could easily have AR downregulation and that he won't get the same results form his second cycle as the first. To prove that point you tell the guy to go abck and use the same thing. If you don't get results you know its NOT the product and its your own body that is causing the problem.
 
"I would suggest that you switch to an old bottle but use the same dosages. When you expose tissue and receptors to a given plasma level of any substance there is a series of adaptations that occur: The number of stimulated receptors or sensitivity decreases as example, meaning that a lessor dosage would have not only reduced tissue results/activity profiles, but also less active material to work with"

In other words, create the same condition in wihch you gained a good amuont on the first cycle then compare results. If you don't gain, its not the product.
 
I belive some people are just getting to defensive. Some people actually have valid questions and comments and we are the ones who are getting "ridiculed", but im not gonna go whine about it! It just makes me wonder when you quote me bobo, out of context, what is so offensive about what i stated to author which is a very common occurance? I belive their would be more of an outcry of comments if people werent bashing them that their stupid for wondering why they spent money thats already not regulated , potentialy could be harmful,(as is many PH's) and might not even be in the product listed at hand but all can be shoved under the door with the disclaimer "take at your own risk". And no this is not the case where the kids mom sues mcdonalds cause her kid is fat.
 
:eek: Wow....I can't believe all of this started over someone not gaining as much on their second cycles as their first and a couple different sides.

BTW everyone...I'm on 500mg/wk of Test right now and I'm LETHARGIC. Yep....mine must be bunk, eh?

:lol:
 
blazinred said:
I belive some people are just getting to defensive. Some people actually have valid questions and comments and we are the ones who are getting "ridiculed" but im not gonna go whine about it it just makes me wonder when you quote me bobo out of context what is so offensive to author among this common occurance?
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I didn't quote you out of context. You posted in his forum that DS is to be trusted implying Author is not. I would react the same way he did.

And what did you base your opinion on? Someone's log?

Yeah, thats concusive. They are not valid questions when you imply a company is dishonest. That is an accusation.
 
Bobo said:
I didn't quote you out of context. You posted in his forum that DS is to be trusted implying Author is not. I would react the same way he did.

And what did you base your opinion on? Someone's log?

Yeah, thats concusive. They are not valid questions when you imply a company is dishonest. That is an accusation.
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Arent those two quotes out of two different posts? I just remember posting those, not both under ds, but not postive.
Look, i like the board, i used to get alot from it. Alot of people come here just for the logs, new stuff comes out and they want to see if it actually works. If you dont know this industry is full of ****, well, your something i cant spell. If someone is gonna be put down for being skeptical, will that seems alittle wimpy to me. Overbearing maybe?
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
:eek: Wow....I can't believe all of this started over someone not gaining as much on their second cycles as their first and a couple different sides.

BTW everyone...I'm on 500mg/wk of Test right now and I'm LETHARGIC. Yep....mine must be bunk, eh?

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Well in that case you better dispose of it right away. In fact i'll even help you out with it, so you don't need to worry. Just send it to:

1234 URAmoron Lane N.
retardedpost, MN 48569
:thumbsup:


(ok my post wasn't funny, o well :rasp: )
 
blazinred said:
this is great,im sure people heard there was A PH that INCREASED libido and put on mass, and now, out of the blue, its re-released and no libido increasing.

Sledge is the man. trust is key in this industry.
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THat is your quote on page one.


Where are your questions? Is that you being skeptical or just implying ALRI is dishonest?


Maybe you shoudl remember what you post. Its not overbearing when people continue to specualte about a product being sold is fake when tehy have zero proof and relying on people that eating mcdonals and candy for their diet. IUf you don't tihnk that makes a difference you shouldn't be tkaing these things in the first place.
 
Spelling is getting worse by the minute...my sign to get out of here.
 
i'm bored with these bullshit responses. i'll wait for confirmation via lab results. cuz honestly, everyone ELSE is trying to say it's legit with NO evidence SO, what's the difference?!?! "word" is not enough for me, not in this case, not in any.
 
Bobo said:
THat is your quote on page one.


Where are your questions? Is that you being skeptical or just implying ALRI is dishonest?


Maybe you shoudl remember what you post. Its not overbearing when people continue to specualte about a product being sold is fake when tehy have zero proof and relying on people that eating mcdonals and candy for their diet. IUf you don't tihnk that makes a difference you shouldn't be tkaing these things in the first place.
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Ok bobo, that was in one post my quotes, but you do realize its from another thread in a different forum... I think you could found a better quote from something more on topic dont you?
And I never said Emax was fake. I orginal got bashed cause I was told i must have bein to fat and dint take Prostanozol with fat and led into this. I totally think diet has something to do with a product working better,but i keep repeating that peoples libidos must have all bein low when orginally they were high, maybe the new bottle has a secret hidden fat ugly girl on it. I guess if that to you is saying ARLI is dishonest i guess im guilty, im pretty sure he can take it, he seems to be quite healthy.
 
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