Planning 2nd havoc cycle

Superpippo

Superpippo

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Hi guys :) I Did the 1st cycle in summer 2012, 5 weeks @30-40-40-40-50 mg, with no sides except lethargy in week 5. about 2500 kcals, 300 gr pro/day. very good results, strenght UP,gained 2 kg (from 90 to 92) and cutted very well. I was now thinking to do a 2nd cycle, I was wondering how should I dose it this time... 40mg straight for 5 weeks? 40 40 50 50 50? other? and what about dieting? was it ok last time or you suggest changing something? all suggestions are appreciated, thank you in advance ;)
 
Superpippo said:
Hi guys :) I Did the 1st cycle in summer 2012, 5 weeks @30-40-40-40-50 mg, with no sides except lethargy in week 5. about 2500 kcals, 300 gr pro/day. very good results, strenght UP,gained 2 kg (from 90 to 92) and cutted very well. I was now thinking to do a 2nd cycle, I was wondering how should I dose it this time... 40mg straight for 5 weeks? 40 40 50 50 50? other? and what about dieting? was it ok last time or you suggest changing something? all suggestions are appreciated, thank you in advance ;)
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I would have suggested starting out with a lower dose, 30/30/30/30/30, because now you are going to want to take super high doses to feel the same way.

Run 40 for 5 weeks, that is more than enough.
 
Agreed, lower dose, stay on longer. No more than 8 weeks, will gain more and it will be easier on lethargy, prostrate and hairline
 
I don't mean to jump ship from the trend here, for all I know they might be more accurate in their advice for your goals... But I ran my epi cycle, stacked with trenavar (0/70/90/90/120/120), at 30/40/40/50/50/60 and was completely fine. Just made sure I had every side covered Before they appeared and I was good to go. Gained 7 solid, dry pounds and strength increases were incredible. Just my 2 cents
 
My goals are to cut and build little muscle without gaining too much weight, because I already weight 92kg and my knees don't like it (I play volleyball)! so you suggest togo straight 40mg? and was dieting ok?
 
when dieting all you need is enough to dry you out and preserve muscle mass
and good diet, I suggest a ketogenic diet
 
mw1 said:
Hdrol worked better for myself on a recomp than Epi. I would recommend that at 75mgs for 6 weeks
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x2. Or at least buy enough so you're able to use this @75 for 6 weeks. You can always cut it short or lower the doses.
 
No I don't want to try another compound, I loved that one and it worked forme as I desired, thank you anyway for the suggestion.
I was thinking...I don't have access to a test base, what about proviron if I should suffer shut down in the later weeks? too much dht compounds?
So the final suggestion is? 40mg x 5 weeks?
 
I think that you should reconsider your goals
Cut and gain muscle without fat!

First find out what you want to do.
 
Superpippo said:
No I don't want to try another compound, I loved that one and it worked forme as I desired, thank you anyway for the suggestion.
I was thinking...I don't have access to a test base, what about proviron if I should suffer shut down in the later weeks? too much dht compounds?
So the final suggestion is? 40mg x 5 weeks?
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You will probably be fine with a epi only a 5 week cycle.
 
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