Phenibut, is there better?

[John Smeton]

Phenibut is strong. I took some last night AND WOKE UP three hours later than I would have liked have. and felt really Pheniphened=)

 

[Synicus]

1st time I took Phenibut I took 2 or 2.5g felt the "euphoria" and the social dis-inhibitory effect. That was a while back.

I take it once a week now, maybe twice. I take 6-10g now, LOL. I don't feel the "euphoria" at all anymore, the social dis-inhibitory effect is still there but not as strong, makes you very sensual, sex is unbelievable on it, mixes well w/ booze, you loose all negativity, makes you "love" everybody but the build up of tolerance really sucks. After a while it don't do much and you end up taken 10g w/ lesser and lesser effect.

Yeah, its the best, at least as far as I've taken. I've never taken x-tacy or ghb but I suppose there similar in the "I-love-everyone" feel.

Picamilon I've had alot of experience w/ too. Its gaba + niacin to facilitate gaba thru the "brain barrier." I sometimes get the "phenibut" feel on Picamilon but never as strong and its inconsistent but I've only gone as high as 1g on Picamilon, maybe I'll ramp it up to 1.5-2g see how it is.

 

[BigVrunga]

I take it once a week now, maybe twice. I take 6-10g now, LOL. I don't feel the "euphoria" at all anymore, the social dis-inhibitory effect is still there but not as strong, makes you very sensual, sex is unbelievable on it, mixes well w/ booze, you loose all negativity, makes you "love" everybody but the build up of tolerance really sucks. After a while it don't do much and you end up taken 10g w/ lesser and lesser effect.

Wow, that's a lot of phenibut!! I can't take any more than 1g without feeling completely out of it.

bv

 

[John Smeton]

same here. Its important to only take it when you really need it. for sleep or under extreme stress. or when your body is adapting to something. Phenibut has been used to treat addictions... basically any addiction.

The only reason is was introduced to the bodybuilding community is the fact the hard trainign atheletes put there mind though so much more than the average indivdual does, thus a bodybuilding can benifit from stress sometimes caused by the Intensity of training.

Note p[henibut is not recommended to the beginners or "light work-out boys", only for the very serious atheletes and hardcore folks. and anyopne can use it but its this is its purpose in bodybuilding

 

[BigVrunga]

The only reason is was introduced to the bodybuilding community is the fact the hard trainign atheletes put there mind though so much more than the average indivdual does, thus a bodybuilding can benifit from stress sometimes caused by the Intensity of training.

I totally agree there - sometimes at night, after a long day at work my head is full of 1000 different things and the thought train wont stop running. One of my favorite adaptogens, Rhodiola Rosea, usually provides a slight stimulant effect so its not very good for sleep. But phenibut smooths the edges of a rough day very nicely, easing anxiety and relaxing me just enough to catch a good night's sleep.

BV

 

[TripDog]

Yes, but so does flipping on the bathroom light when you wake up in the middle of the night to go take a leak...how much though Im not sure.

who needs lights......just guess,and go.........:lol:

 

[killagorilla]

How about something that gives a nice buzz a la Renewtrient, GBL, etc.?

also interested, there are many gaba analogs that are not available .

 

[BigVrunga]

Originally Posted by psywzrd
How about something that gives a nice buzz a la Renewtrient, GBL, etc.?

also interested, there are many gaba analogs that are not available .

If you live in the US, do not try to import GBL. You are asking to have your house raided by the DEA.

You can get a prescription for Xyrem, which is GHB, if you are suffering from fibromyalgia (chronic fatigue syndrome), or have a serious problem with a lack of slow wave sleep.

BV

 

[phrost]

IBE Neurobalance.

Do you know if they offer samples?

 

[yeahright]

Do you know if they offer samples?

No. It's a liquid. It's well worth a try IMHO.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/51741-ibe-neurobalance-log.html

 

[Synicus]

Well i think im done w/ the phenibut for a while. Been doin it for 6-8 months once wk at least. The next day hangovers are just hell now, totally trashes me next day, ALL DAY, worse than alcohol. Course I been mixin it w/ alcohol maybe some valium/xanax a little nite before but i know its the phenibut, heavy doses 6-8g. I'm off for a whilt......... Bet some you guys get the bad phenibut hangovers too...

 

[cp3soja]

ahhhhhhh boys what yall need to try is 2 scoops os somitomax by high teck its 1000 times beter than any thing listed on this bored

 

[yeahright]

ahhhhhhh boys what yall need to try is 2 scoops os somitomax by high teck its 1000 times beter than any thing listed on this bored

Hmmmm, actually looks interesting but it's not that different from what people have been talking about (ingredients below). The only thing that gives me pause is the manufacturer. Hi-Tech has had problems with their products being "contaminated." Their erection supplement was yanked from the shelves when it tested to actually contain viagra and there were other similar incidents which I can't recall the details of. It wouldn't surprise me if their somitimax was "contaminated" with something pharmaceutical.
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What's In It?

Serving Size: 1 Heaping Scoop (14g)
Servings Per Container: 20

Amount Per Serving:

Proprietary Blend: 14g
4-amino-3-Phenylbutric Acid
Gamma Amino Butyric Acid
Macuna Pruriens Extract
(standardized to 20% L-Dopa)
L-Arginine HCL
L-Tyrosine
L-Phenylaline Vitamin B-6 10mg 500%
(as Pyridoxine HCL)

Other Ingredients:
Maltodextrin, Malic Acid, Citric Acid, Natural and Artifical Flavors and Colors, Aspartame, Acesulfame Potassium.

 

[John Smeton]

Hmmmm, actually looks interesting but it's not that different from what people have been talking about (ingredients below). The only thing that gives me pause is the manufacturer. Hi-Tech has had problems with their products being "contaminated." Their erection supplement was yanked from the shelves when it tested to actually contain viagra and there were other similar incidents which I can't recall the details of. It wouldn't surprise me if their somitimax was "contaminated" with something pharmaceutical.
_______________________


What's In It?

Serving Size: 1 Heaping Scoop (14g)
Servings Per Container: 20

Amount Per Serving:

Proprietary Blend: 14g
4-amino-3-Phenylbutric Acid
Gamma Amino Butyric Acid
Macuna Pruriens Extract
(standardized to 20% L-Dopa)
L-Arginine HCL
L-Tyrosine
L-Phenylaline Vitamin B-6 10mg 500%
(as Pyridoxine HCL)

Other Ingredients:
Maltodextrin, Malic Acid, Citric Acid, Natural and Artifical Flavors and Colors, Aspartame, Acesulfame Potassium.

Glad you said something Yeah Right.

 

[TripDog]

of course after reading this thread i had to go take some phinibut...dam peer pressure..:lol:

 

[warbird01]

I dont seem to feel sh1t off 1-2 g but have to dose 4-5g and goddamn, the "hangover" feeling the next day is wierd as hell. Like im sleepwalking all day!

 

[s.norman]

very addicted!

i got very addicted to phenibut after 4 years of continuous use. tolerance ends when u reach 10g per day and i used b/t 10-15g per night. this is a drug not a supp and needs more respect than i gave it. i needed a detox and rehab to get off it...coincidentally my dr. was from russia and she said u can die of a fatal overdose w/ it. she was familiar w/ it. klonopin was used to ween me off it.

 

[TripDog]

i got very addicted to phenibut after 4 years of continuous use. tolerance ends when u reach 10g per day and i used b/t 10-15g per night. this is a drug not a supp and needs more respect than i gave it. i needed a detox and rehab to get off it...coincidentally my dr. was from russia and she said u can die of a fatal overdose w/ it. she was familiar w/ it. klonopin was used to ween me off it.

wow........thats a pricey habbit!!

 

[MentalTwitch]

My favorite set ups....

Sleep aid-low level = Mealotinin 1.5g OR Neurobalance.
Sleep aid -medium level = Both of above.
Sleep that makes me go into coma = GABA @ 3-4g Mel. @ 1.5g Neurobalance 2tsp(rec dose)

Good feel before work = Neurobalance
Good feeling before "gettin physical with lady friend" = GABA
Good feeling before test = Neurobalance

I currently have on order Phenibut, more GABA(500g), Theanine by NOW.

Just to be clear, i wouldnt recomend using these things with alcohol. All of these and alcohol effect brain chemicals/activation proccess, so i would watch it.

I used GABA and 5HTP for a while everynight for a month or so with Mel sometimes, and when i started to discontinue use i noticed depression hit me a bit more.
Becareful with doses and how much you take for how long.
Take care everyone.

 

[dadream]

For me the effects of phenibut are not even worth taking it. I need to take atleast 1.5-2g to illicit any type of a "buzz" and the next day i am blessed with a nice hangover. I might as well have the 3 or 4 beers which is about the equivalent buzz i get and not be hungover as s.hit. Does anyone know why phenibut even gives a hangover?

 

[motiv8er]

This is the first thread I have read in 6 months that was actually full of useful info, Thanks guys--

 

[warbird01]

So i took 3g phenibut last night and got hammered. WOke up at 9 and yacked a lot. Then woek up at 2 I havnt sleept in that much for like, i cant even remember!! I thought i was gonna have the "phenibut hangover" but its gone away, mostly. thank god!

 

[BigVrunga]

Honestly guys I think Phenibut is best used with much lower doses, at least for me.

400mg is perfect for a mild feeling of relaxation, or a sleep aid with GABA , 5HTP, and melatonin.

1g is a definite buzz...I cant even imagine taking more than 2g of Phenibut at once!!

Another combo to try for a great mood lift is Caffiene, Phenylthalamine (PEA), and a MAO-B inhibitor like Hordenine. 400mg of Rhodiola on top of that for an extra special glow

BV

 

[motiv8er]

So last night I took 1.4 g's of phenibut and went out ont he city with some friends. I must have drank a 12 pack over 6 hours. I won a dance contest with the HOTTEST girls at the club. I had no inhibitions but was pretty cognitive.

This morning, I couldnt move. My dogs hated me. In fact, I couldnt figure out why I was so slow, until i saw this thread!

 

[s.norman]

For me the effects of phenibut are not even worth taking it. I need to take atleast 1.5-2g to illicit any type of a "buzz" and the next day i am blessed with a nice hangover. I might as well have the 3 or 4 beers which is about the equivalent buzz i get and not be hungover as s.hit. Does anyone know why phenibut even gives a hangover?

phenibut ellicits very potent anti-anxiety effects but tolerance does build up. i used around 10g ed and i was relaxed-also very addicted unfortunately!

 

[s.norman]

my psychiatrist at rehab studied medicine in RUSSIA and she said PHENIBUT is a benzodiazapine and is very addicting-can also be lethal at the right dose.
its nothing to play w/ thats all i urge peeps here.

 

[John Smeton]

Im thinking of replacing it with L-Theanine. I have gone though one bottle(Fifty grams ) in two years.

 

[BigVrunga]

my psychiatrist at rehab studied medicine in RUSSIA and she said PHENIBUT is a benzodiazapine and is very addicting-can also be lethal at the right dose.
its nothing to play w/ thats all i urge peeps here.

I don't think Phenibut is a benzodiazapine - there isnt a benzene or diazapene ring anywhere in the 4-amino-3-phenyl-butanoic acid (phenibut) molecule...if anything Phenibut bears a structural similarity to PEA, and from what Ive been reading it is a GABA receptor agonist, as well as causing a rise in dopamine levels. This could possibly be one of the causes of its anxiolytic effect, and why it is somewhat similar to benzos like Valium and Xanax in effect.

Anything can be lethal at the right dose, even water. Phenibut's LD50 in rats is about 900mg/kg - and if that translates to humans you'd have to take 81g of the stuff before you had a 50% chance of killing yourself.

I'll reiterate when I say that I really believe Phenibut is best use in lower doses and only when needed...there are better chemicals out there for recreational use, with less in the way of tolerence and potential negative side effects.

BV

 

[drksun]

How much are you guys dosing Phenibut? I've been using 1fast's bulk powder and dosing at about 2.5 grams. Not too much effect for me.

Suggestions?

iv'e been using the same stuff, i dosen't do much for me, on sat i had 1225mg and about 10 shots and i was still in decent shape, i though 1-2 shots plus 1g would do it, like otheres have posted. I'm not a heavy drinker, i drink maybe once a week if that.. its not a tolerance to phenibut either, i haven't used the stuff in about 2 weeks, and have only taken maybe 4 doses ever.

 

[WATERLOGGED]

i had bought some a while ago and used like a gram or a gram and a half with really no affect , so as time went by ...the other day i thought i'll really give it a try so i took like 3-3.5 g's and man after a few hours like 6 , my body and ,mind was so relaxed i couldnt walk straight and couldnt stay awake , fell asleep woke upbarely b4 bed time and couldnt keep my eyes open and fell sound asleep[out like a lght]till the next day then woke but kinda felt hungover and brain fog all day !

 

[dsade]

my psychiatrist at rehab studied medicine in RUSSIA and she said PHENIBUT is a benzodiazapine and is very addicting-can also be lethal at the right dose.
its nothing to play w/ thats all i urge peeps here.

And she weened you off using Klonopin?

I would definitely question the wisdom of that.

 

[drksun]

i took 500mg last night, now all day iv'e had a hangover.. weird.

 

[curqleez]

tramadol makes me feel good. Chaty and good energy. Good workouts too

 

[s.norman]

And she weened you off using Klonopin?

I would definitely question the wisdom of that.

1st of all there is a withdrawal effect after years of using phenibut. it is a gaba-agonist so it is best to be detoxed w/ a gaba-agonist like klonopin. i was in some distress 4 a while after stopping phenibut. my symptoms were the same as if i was going thru benzo withdrawal.

 

[CNorris]

tramadol makes me feel good. Chaty and good energy. Good workouts too

Yeah you really dont wanna fvck with opiates though. Opiates are the most addictive substance on the planet.

 

[INFLUENCER]

Oh yeah they sure are i'm still going through mental withdrawl, although tramadol isn't a real opiate its a synthetic... It sounds like this phenibut is similar posibly to an opiate high or am I wrong? I don't think I want to mess with it though considering the hangover and the fact I was addicted to opiates...

 

[TripDog]

Oh yeah they sure are i'm still going through mental withdrawl, although tramadol isn't a real opiate its a synthetic... It sounds like this phenibut is similar posibly to an opiate high or am I wrong? I don't think I want to mess with it though considering the hangover and the fact I was addicted to opiates...

The hangover from it is very strange. Sometimes it's not that bad, and sometimes Fagetaboutit!! Usually they are rather bad when alcohol is involved.

 

[Trauma1]

I dont seem to feel sh1t off 1-2 g but have to dose 4-5g and goddamn, the "hangover" feeling the next day is wierd as hell. Like im sleepwalking all day!

Same here. I get absolutely nothing from phenibut unless i take at least 5 grams. I get the hangover effect the next morning, but it's still not as bad as an antihistamine hangover for me.

 

[JohnnyBGood]

I won't even take phenibut unless I know i can sleep for 11 or 12 hours. The first time I ever tried it I had to get up at like 6:00 the next morning. I was completely out of it all day at work. Normal tasks were taking like 2 or 3 times longer than usual because I was so sleepy. It's usually a very rejuvenating substance as long as I can sleep it off, though. When I'm able to get all that sleep, I feel very clear-headed and energized the day after phenibut.

 

[quigs]

my psychiatrist at rehab studied medicine in RUSSIA and she said PHENIBUT is a benzodiazapine and is very addicting-can also be lethal at the right dose.
its nothing to play w/ thats all i urge peeps here.

Phenibut is NOT a benzodiazapine, but it does have some similar effects as does GABA.

 

[quigs]

Im thinking of replacing it with L-Theanine. I have gone though one bottle(Fifty grams ) in two years.

Theanine has very good synergy with phenibut, IMO.

Magnolia extract + theanine + phenibut is outstanding.

 

[quigs]

1st of all there is a withdrawal effect after years of using phenibut. it is a gaba-agonist so it is best to be detoxed w/ a gaba-agonist like klonopin. i was in some distress 4 a while after stopping phenibut. my symptoms were the same as if i was going thru benzo withdrawal.

I'd agree with dsade. Using a more addictive drug (klonopin) to help with withdrawal of a less addictive drug (phenibut) would not have been my first choice for therapy.

Its like treating a codeine addiction with oxycontin.

 

[quigs]

Oh yeah they sure are i'm still going through mental withdrawl, although tramadol isn't a real opiate its a synthetic... It sounds like this phenibut is similar posibly to an opiate high or am I wrong? I don't think I want to mess with it though considering the hangover and the fact I was addicted to opiates...

Phenibut's effects are nothing like those of an opiate other than possibly sedation/euphoria.

 

[quigs]

tramadol makes me feel good. Chaty and good energy. Good workouts too

If you like tramadol, give kratom a shot. If you find a good source, it's much better than tram.

 

[BigVrunga]

Theanine has very good synergy with phenibut, IMO.

Magnolia extract + theanine + phenibut is outstanding.

+1 on the Theanine and Phenibut...havent tried it with Magnolia Extract yet though.

 

[John Smeton]

+1 on the Theanine and Phenibut...havent tried it with Magnolia Extract yet though.

Ill have to try this. I only use Phenibut if Im totally wore down or For an adiction..ie.. coming off of stimulants

 

[goslamacamel]

Theanine has very good synergy with phenibut, IMO.

Magnolia extract + theanine + phenibut is outstanding.

~500mg theanine in hot green tea, ~1g phenibut, ~1g rhodiola rosea

these have a synergy which makes me alert and relaxed, classes seem much easier in school.

 

[goslamacamel]

Phenibut's effects are nothing like those of an opiate other than possibly sedation/euphoria.

i don't know, i get an almost identical euphoria by taking phenibut once a week or two as i do by popping the very occasional hydrocodone-apap. after the half-life comes around though, phenibut can give me a minor but annoying headache whereas hydrocodone never does. I consider phenibut a safe non-toxic vicodin that i need to take alphaGPC with so as to avoid the headaches

 

[John Smeton]

i don't know, i get an almost identical euphoria by taking phenibut once a week or two as i do by popping the very occasional hydrocodone-apap. after the half-life comes around though, phenibut can give me a minor but annoying headache whereas hydrocodone never does. I consider phenibut a safe non-toxic vicodin that i need to take alphaGPC with so as to avoid the headaches

alphagpc prevents phenibut headachs..hmmm anyone else have expirience with this?

 

[goslamacamel]

alphagpc prevents phenibut headachs..hmmm anyone else have expirience with this?

lol, I use aGPC like most use Tylenol. Ever since I got some enormous cluster headaches from using Piracetam without reading up about it enough to know I NEEDED a choline source. I have a hunch that many normal headaches stem from some kind of choline depletion, because if my GF gets a headache I'll cap her a little of my aGPC and usually it goes away within 30 mins.