PES Norcodrene ??

booneman77 said:
Final update: Was sweating all through my lunch. Finally settled down about 1:30pm but energy was still present. The last thing that I noticed was my mood improvement on the way to the gym (2:30p). I caught myself signing along the whole way there and was just really excited to go (more then normal ha). I couldn't believe that it had this long of an effect. Overall I am extremely impressed with all effects of just a single cap. This has been by far the most effective single dose of a product I've ever used. Hopefully the fat loss that would accompany a full cycle of this can match the overall energy and other positive effects. Even if not, it's still a spectacular supplement if only for mood and energy enhancement.
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Nice bro! You should put these updates in the review section or maybe make a review thread! I would love to follow the rest of the experience. Big thumbs up.
 
LiveToLift said:
Nice bro! You should put these updates in the review section or maybe make a review thread! I would love to follow the rest of the experience. Big thumbs up.
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I was just running a sample (not even all 3 caps) since I woke up really hungry and figured I could put it to the test. I'll post up a full review when I run a full bottle so I can comment on true long term effectivity. I'll post this in the reviews but without a rating and such. Just a comment ;)

Edit: it's not in the reviews section yet...
 
booneman77 said:
I was just running a sample (not even all 3 caps) since I woke up really hungry and figured I could put it to the test. I'll post up a full review when I run a full bottle so I can comment on true long term effectivity. I'll post this in the reviews but without a rating and such. Just a comment ;)

Edit: it's not in the reviews section yet...
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Strange its not there yet, hopefully it is by then!
 
bdcc said:
Please feel free to post feedback on the EU version once you have used it. It would be good to have separate reviews for both. I was talking one of the guys at Predator who had tested it and he commented on the long lasting appetite suppression as well. :)
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Hi bdcc, I noticed Predator have both variations of the product. Do you know if they will continue to do so? I just checked and they have reduced the price of original... Whilst the EU version is full price


Thanks
 
Sorry but norco was not effective when compared to ec for me. And with one being much cheaper it is what it is.
 
IceSonic said:
When I take one cap of Norcodrene in the morning... I feel warm inside even without doing any workout. Is that normal?
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Completely normal bud. That's the powerful thermo effect of Norcodrene.
 
booneman77 said:
I was just running a sample (not even all 3 caps) since I woke up really hungry and figured I could put it to the test. I'll post up a full review when I run a full bottle so I can comment on true long term effectivity. I'll post this in the reviews but without a rating and such. Just a comment ;) Edit: it's not in the reviews section yet...
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Thanks brother we appreciate it. I was thinking you had a full bottle being you are always stocked so nicely when our insiders drop! :)

I'll work on getting it added to the review section.
 
LiveToLift said:
Thanks brother we appreciate it. I was thinking you had a full bottle being you are always stocked so nicely when our insiders drop! :) I'll work on getting it added to the review section.
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Oh I have 9 bottles ha. Just had a sample to try too ;)

Let me know when it's up and I'll post there
 
Alasel said:
Stupid question, is this effective for sporadic dosing? Say 1 cap every so often during fasted period Thanks
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Most definitely. You will still feel the appetite suppression and energy/mood boost from just a single dose.
 
Alasel said:
Stupid question, is this effective for sporadic dosing? Say 1 cap every so often during fasted period

Thanks
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Depends on your personal reaction honestly. For me, I take 2 upon waking and then another 6 hours later or so. That gets me through my fasting period without much hunger at all. Norcodrene doesn't give me that "I'm so stimmed up I couldn't eat feeling", which I hate (often accompanied by mild nausea). What it does however, is make it so that my mind just isn't on food and any sort of craving is gone certainly.

I can't recommend it highly enough. I'm not usually a fan of yohimbine other than Alpha-Y, but the extract PES uses is great. Additionally, a 2 cap dose pre-workout will give you the amazing benefits of amentoflavone pre-workout, which is about as good of a power-output enhancing ingredient as I have come by in a long time (used solo as well).
 
Alasel said:
Stupid question, is this effective for sporadic dosing? Say 1 cap every so often during fasted period Thanks
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See my review above. That was my first and only cap so that's what to expect from acute dosing
 
IceSonic said:
Is it ok to drink coffee after taking 1 cap norcodrene in the morning? I love drinking coffee
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Norcodrene is not stim heavy but we can not recommend taking it along any other stim product or drink. Hope that helps. :)
 
Today was different for the first time...

I was running on the treadmill for about 40 minutes but I wasn't tired as much as before and wasn't sweating much today. I feel strong and a lot of energy.

I was confused why I was not sweating and tired as much as before then I checked my heart rate on the treadmill, it was 177 bpm (I'm age 30). I never seen that high before.. normally it is around 140-150 bpm when I am really tired. Should I be worried?

What happen?
 
IceSonic said:
Today was different for the first time... I was running on the treadmill for about 40 minutes but I wasn't tired as much as before and wasn't sweating much today. I feel strong and a lot of energy. I was confused why I was not sweating and tired as much as before then I checked my heart rate on the treadmill, it was 177 bpm (I'm age 30). I never seen that high before.. normally it is around 140-150 bpm when I am really tired. Should I be worried? What happen?
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How has your fluid intake lately? Is there a chance you may have been dehydrated?
 
T-Bone said:
Why?. I don't think sodium would have an effect on heart rate. Just googled: apparently too little sodium can increase heart rate.
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Yep wrong way... Was thinking bp not hr. Good catch
 
IceSonic said:
Today was different for the first time...

I was running on the treadmill for about 40 minutes but I wasn't tired as much as before and wasn't sweating much today. I feel strong and a lot of energy.

I was confused why I was not sweating and tired as much as before then I checked my heart rate on the treadmill, it was 177 bpm (I'm age 30). I never seen that high before.. normally it is around 140-150 bpm when I am really tired. Should I be worried?

What happen?
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Way too many factors to take into account. See if it was just the day or next time you do cardio, check bpm again and compare.
 
Someone here mentioned Norcodrene was helpful in coming off E/C.

I only had the sample pack, but totally agree. And that's coming from someone who's used E/C for almost 20 years. It doesn't wash out fast like E/C either, just keeps going and going and going. I had 3 caps and it may have been a bit much (yohimbe alkaloids don't agree with me well), but will be dialing it back to 2 caps in the near future.

A bargain too at that dosage, IMO...
 
Mixelflick said:
Someone here mentioned Norcodrene was helpful in coming off E/C.

I only had the sample pack, but totally agree. And that's coming from someone who's used E/C for almost 20 years. It doesn't wash out fast like E/C either, just keeps going and going and going. I had 3 caps and it may have been a bit much (yohimbe alkaloids don't agree with me well), but will be dialing it back to 2 caps in the near future.

A bargain too at that dosage, IMO...
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That was me. I couldn't agree and back it up more... I am pulling 12-16 hour days with no problem. With TWO WORKOUTS bc of time constraints. And I breeze through it just as well if not better than when on EC.

On a side: how do you cycle / use your EC? I would love to know how u keep it effective / safe for 20 years.
 
chedapalooza said:
That was me. I couldn't agree and back it up more... I am pulling 12-16 hour days with no problem. With TWO WORKOUTS bc of time constraints. And I breeze through it just as well if not better than when on EC.

On a side: how do you cycle / use your EC? I would love to know how u keep it effective / safe for 20 years.
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I'm going to be honest with you, OK? I don't cycle it. Have used it damn near every day during that time, the exception being a 1 month break here and there for blood work to compare/contrast.

Now please, before anyone blows a gasket hear me out. I get blood work run every 6 week. During the entire 20 years "on". I've had NO problems. No high blood pressure, no liver stress, no thyroid/adrenal burnout issues. Zip, Zero. Nada. In fact, the biggest "side effect" I've noticed is increased energy, decreased appetite and less fat. I'm a power/strength guy but when I do diet, I for sure retain more muscle tissue with it.

Here's something else you'll find interesting: It's a boon to HDL (good cholesterol). The studies thus far found that with people that were dieting, but that doesn't mean people re-comping or bulking can't benefit. In fact, my blood work shows the following on/off ephedrine - and I'm almost always at or above maintenance.

CLIFFS ON HDL LEVELS

At risk: Less than 40 mg/dL (1.0 mmol/L)
Desirable: 60 mg/dL (1.6 mmol/L) or above

OFF EPHEDRINE: I usually register at 45-50
ON EPHEDRINE : Last blood work I have done (August/2014) showed 69. I've seen it as high as 88 using Ephedra (8% extract).

The ministry of truth won't tell you this, they'd have you believe it's "deadly". If it were deadly/toxic whatever, I should be dead by now. I'll also add that for a time, I took it WAY above and beyond the safe/effective high end dose (90/100mg, depending upon which study you read). Having said that, ephedrine is getting EXPENSIVE. Forget Primatene tabs at your local pharmacy, they're but 12.5mg effy mixed with guafenesin (expectorant) and way over-priced. I get 30mg tabs of PURE ephedrine, but 200 tabs runs me $75. Given my tolerance, that's too pricey for Mr. Alligator arms..

So I just ordered my first full bottle of Norcodrene, and will keep members posted here. At 2 caps/day and for $34.99, that's a much more acceptable price point.

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DISCLAIMER: I don't work for PES, nor do I profit in any way from my recommendation to buy this product. In fact, I've gotten into it with PES reps over the year. But I call it as I see it. PES did one hell of a job on this, hats off to you guys..
 
Thanks brother, means much.

I have no idea if this is related (because it was the first time I've had them measured) - My IGF-1 levels were off the charts. Reference range for my age (45) - 49 is a low of 119, and a high of 166. I clocked in at 424!!

Not taking any IGF-1, Growth/steroids or anything of the sort. Have ruled out a pituitary tumor and my LH and FSH were on the low end. I practice The Warrior Diet, and Train using a mix of Convict Conditioning/Static Holds. I take Synthagen year round, but there's nothing in it that'd boost IGF-1 THAT high. It does contain TMG. In the studies I've seen though, the most it'll do is double it, at 2-3g/day. Whatever it is, I'll take it, because my test levels were abysmal. Advice for you young folk: Don't squander the hormonal symphony, that is youth!!

PES/Nutraplanet, any chance of a Norcodrene twin pack special down the line?? ;)
 
Mixelflick said:
I'm going to be honest with you, OK? I don't cycle it. Have used it damn near every day during that time, the exception being a 1 month break here and there for blood work to compare/contrast.

Now please, before anyone blows a gasket hear me out. I get blood work run every 6 week. During the entire 20 years "on". I've had NO problems. No high blood pressure, no liver stress, no thyroid/adrenal burnout issues. Zip, Zero. Nada. In fact, the biggest "side effect" I've noticed is increased energy, decreased appetite and less fat. I'm a power/strength guy but when I do diet, I for sure retain more muscle tissue with it.

Here's something else you'll find interesting: It's a boon to HDL (good cholesterol). The studies thus far found that with people that were dieting, but that doesn't mean people re-comping or bulking can't benefit. In fact, my blood work shows the following on/off ephedrine - and I'm almost always at or above maintenance.

CLIFFS ON HDL LEVELS

At risk: Less than 40 mg/dL (1.0 mmol/L)
Desirable: 60 mg/dL (1.6 mmol/L) or above

OFF EPHEDRINE: I usually register at 45-50
ON EPHEDRINE : Last blood work I have done (August/2014) showed 69. I've seen it as high as 88 using Ephedra (8% extract).

The ministry of truth won't tell you this, they'd have you believe it's "deadly". If it were deadly/toxic whatever, I should be dead by now. I'll also add that for a time, I took it WAY above and beyond the safe/effective high end dose (90/100mg, depending upon which study you read). Having said that, ephedrine is getting EXPENSIVE. Forget Primatene tabs at your local pharmacy, they're but 12.5mg effy mixed with guafenesin (expectorant) and way over-priced. I get 30mg tabs of PURE ephedrine, but 200 tabs runs me $75. Given my tolerance, that's too pricey for Mr. Alligator arms..

So I just ordered my first full bottle of Norcodrene, and will keep members posted here. At 2 caps/day and for $34.99, that's a much more acceptable price point.

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DISCLAIMER: I don't work for PES, nor do I profit in any way from my recommendation to buy this product. In fact, I've gotten into it with PES reps over the year. But I call it as I see it. PES did one hell of a job on this, hats off to you guys..
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I am no doctor and I am not advising anyone to use ephedrine unless they choose to do so on their own.

Having made that disclaimer, I remember having a nurse friend of mine tell me that if I used ephedrine I would blow my heart out (about 15 years ago). I did some research and found much of what Mixelflick is saying is true. And as far as dosage/safety.....the effective dose is suggested to be 20-50 mg up to 3 times/day. There are cases of attempted suicides where people swallowed entire bottles of ephedrine pills and survived...that's about 10-15X the effective dose. They would have had more success killing themselves with aspirin or acetaminophen probably.

Pulling E from the market was a huge mistake IMO. Norcodrene is the first product I can say legitimately closes the gap that was left.
 
Mixelflick said:
Thanks brother, means much. I have no idea if this is related (because it was the first time I've had them measured) - My IGF-1 levels were off the charts. Reference range for my age (45) - 49 is a low of 119, and a high of 166. I clocked in at 424!! Not taking any IGF-1, Growth/steroids or anything of the sort. Have ruled out a pituitary tumor and my LH and FSH were on the low end. I practice The Warrior Diet, and Train using a mix of Convict Conditioning/Static Holds. I take Synthagen year round, but there's nothing in it that'd boost IGF-1 THAT high. It does contain TMG. In the studies I've seen though, the most it'll do is double it, at 2-3g/day. Whatever it is, I'll take it, because my test levels were abysmal. Advice for you young folk: Don't squander the hormonal symphony, that is youth!! PES/Nutraplanet, any chance of a Norcodrene twin pack special down the line?? ;)
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HIT4ME said:
I am no doctor and I am not advising anyone to use ephedrine unless they choose to do so on their own. Having made that disclaimer, I remember having a nurse friend of mine tell me that if I used ephedrine I would blow my heart out (about 15 years ago). I did some research and found much of what Mixelflick is saying is true. And as far as dosage/safety.....the effective dose is suggested to be 20-50 mg up to 3 times/day. There are cases of attempted suicides where people swallowed entire bottles of ephedrine pills and survived...that's about 10-15X the effective dose. They would have had more success killing themselves with aspirin or acetaminophen probably. Pulling E from the market was a huge mistake IMO. Norcodrene is the first product I can say legitimately closes the gap that was left.
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All this Norcodrene talk is making me wana buy just to see how it feels. I've never used ephedrine so couldn't compare

What are you guys noticing off 1-2 caps compared to say Alphamine (which I quite liked at 1 scoop per day)?
 
Alasel said:
All this Norcodrene talk is making me wana buy just to see how it feels. I've never used ephedrine so couldn't compare

What are you guys noticing off 1-2 caps compared to say Alphamine (which I quite liked at 1 scoop per day)?
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If you go back 1 page I posted up a full day review of the first single cap that I tried. In comparison to alphamine its much slower and more subtle but also last significantly longerand has some different properties... Honestly, they're quite different in the feel. I would consider alphamine more if i wanted quick hit type energy and norco if i wanted more sustained energy and focus. I would almost classify alphamine as closer to a fat loss pre-workout and norco more of the typical fat burner pill to be taken throughout the day.
 
In short:
Alphamine = quicker energy/focus burst and muscle retention via HICA
Norcodrene = more overall fat loss and longer lasting appetite suppression as well as mood and performance benefits.
 
kbayne said:
In short:
Alphamine = quicker energy/focus burst and muscle retention via HICA
Norcodrene = more overall fat loss and longer lasting appetite suppression as well as mood and performance benefits.
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I found alphamine to be quite the appetite supression aid. Killed it similar to ec. I may be hyper sensitive or something. It got a 5/5 rating from me though. I'll be trying Norco in the future though.
 
pyrobatt said:
I found alphamine to be quite the appetite supression aid. Killed it similar to ec. I may be hyper sensitive or something. It got a 5/5 rating from me though. I'll be trying Norco in the future though.
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For sure Alphamine will cause appetite suppression as well. Feedback is Norocodrene is causing longer appetite suppression.
 
kbayne said:
For sure Alphamine will cause appetite suppression as well. Feedback is Norocodrene is causing longer appetite suppression.
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When I'm dieting down I apply alphamine to my man bits in an alphamine /mayonnaise transdermal delivery system.

If I like the Norco I might take it as a suppository.


Not serious but still..quality products! I am a rep from another company and still recommend pes.

I may do a log later next year. Maybe an alphamine vs Norco log. Say...4 weeks each? Yay fatloss!
 
pyrobatt said:
When I'm dieting down I apply alphamine to my man bits in an alphamine /mayonnaise transdermal delivery system.

If I like the Norco I might take it as a suppository.

Not serious but still..quality products! I am a rep from another company and still recommend pes.

I may do a log later next year. Maybe an alphamine vs Norco log. Say...4 weeks each? Yay fatloss!
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Lol. We appreciate the support pryo. I'd definitely be interested in following that log.

kdubson14 said:
Norco would be best to dose preworkout for the amentoflavone's effect on muscle contraction, yes?
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Pre-workout would be a good time for one of the doses, just make sure you're training early enough in the day that it doesn't affect sleep.
 
breezy11 said:
Pre-workout would be a good time for one of the doses, just make sure you're training early enough in the day that it doesn't affect sleep.
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Aye, there's the rub; I train 8pm or later. Hopefully my stim junkie status will grant me a good night's sleep anyway.
 
kdubson14 said:
Aye, there's the rub; I train 8pm or later. Hopefully my stim junkie status will grant me a good night's sleep anyway.
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Yeah, I could see that being an issue for most people. If you decide to test it out, I'd suggest going with your one cap dose.
 
Mixelflick said:
I'm going to be honest with you, OK? I don't cycle it. Have used it damn near every day during that time, the exception being a 1 month break here and there for blood work to compare/contrast.

Now please, before anyone blows a gasket hear me out. I get blood work run every 6 week. During the entire 20 years "on". I've had NO problems. No high blood pressure, no liver stress, no thyroid/adrenal burnout issues. Zip, Zero. Nada. In fact, the biggest "side effect" I've noticed is increased energy, decreased appetite and less fat. I'm a power/strength guy but when I do diet, I for sure retain more muscle tissue with it.

Here's something else you'll find interesting: It's a boon to HDL (good cholesterol). The studies thus far found that with people that were dieting, but that doesn't mean people re-comping or bulking can't benefit. In fact, my blood work shows the following on/off ephedrine - and I'm almost always at or above maintenance.

CLIFFS ON HDL LEVELS

At risk: Less than 40 mg/dL (1.0 mmol/L)
Desirable: 60 mg/dL (1.6 mmol/L) or above

OFF EPHEDRINE: I usually register at 45-50
ON EPHEDRINE : Last blood work I have done (August/2014) showed 69. I've seen it as high as 88 using Ephedra (8% extract).

The ministry of truth won't tell you this, they'd have you believe it's "deadly". If it were deadly/toxic whatever, I should be dead by now. I'll also add that for a time, I took it WAY above and beyond the safe/effective high end dose (90/100mg, depending upon which study you read). Having said that, ephedrine is getting EXPENSIVE. Forget Primatene tabs at your local pharmacy, they're but 12.5mg effy mixed with guafenesin (expectorant) and way over-priced. I get 30mg tabs of PURE ephedrine, but 200 tabs runs me $75. Given my tolerance, that's too pricey for Mr. Alligator arms..

So I just ordered my first full bottle of Norcodrene, and will keep members posted here. At 2 caps/day and for $34.99, that's a much more acceptable price point.

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DISCLAIMER: I don't work for PES, nor do I profit in any way from my recommendation to buy this product. In fact, I've gotten into it with PES reps over the year. But I call it as I see it. PES did one hell of a job on this, hats off to you guys..
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Interesting.. Straight hcl or bronkaid/primatene types? I'm assuming hcl
 
chedapalooza said:
Interesting.. Straight hcl or bronkaid/primatene types? I'm assuming hcl
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Straight 30mg HCL tabs, no guafenisen.

If you're getting it form the drug store, it's behind the counter. You'll have to present your license, sign for it etc. You don't want Bronkaid, as it's ephedrine sulfate (much weaker IMO). You want Primatene tabs, which are 12.5mg of ephedrine HCL per tab. Unfortunately, they both come with a liberal dose of guafenesin. Totally takes the edge off IMO, and only in there to combat people trying to use it as starter material - for meth.

Alasel - I never used alphamine, so can't compare...
 
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