PES Norcodrene ??

bdcc said:
This echoes my thoughts exactly. Nothing suppresses my appetite significantly except Norcodrene. It is even more potent than the EC stack for me in that regard.
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Its really quite a strong appetite suppressor. I normally just drink a tonne of water to drown out my hunger lol
 
Jiigzz said:
Its really quite a strong appetite suppressor. I normally just drink a tonne of water to drown out my hunger lol
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This. My go-to cutting move... drown myself. I figure I burn a few extra cals too running to the bathroom every 10min ha.
 
booneman77 said:
This. My go-to cutting move... drown myself. I figure I burn a few extra cals too running to the bathroom every 10min ha.
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Increasing NEAT through 10 litres of water per day. ;)
 
I am almost done with my second bottle of Norcodrene and it has been a decent run. I haven't been too strict on my diet, and lost 4-5 pounds in the first 2 weeks or so. Then I just plateau'd and stayed at around 242-243 for 4 weeks. Again, my diet has just been a typical working American diet, nothing to strict and I could have done much better. I've had a lot of things come up over the last 6 weeks, so I've barely had time to even workout - but I've kept my weight training going for the most part.

I've played with the dosing. In the beginning 2 caps in the morning and 1 cap in the afternoon was rough. It definitely was a mild stimulant, but kept me awake at night and I had some minor yohimbine sides. After about week 4 the sides were almost all gone.

I worked up to 2 caps 2X per day but I was also taking this with Diablo so I backed off and went back to 2 caps in the morning and 1 cap in the afternoon again - I didn't see a big increase in effectiveness at 4 caps.

About 3 days ago, however, I decided to take all 3 caps in the morning. This would have killed me in the beginning but almost no negative sides at all now. I've been taking 3 caps in the morning for the past 3-4 days and some days I take 1-2 caps in the afternoon and some days I am fine with just 3 in the morning. This product lasts so long I feel it is still working around 4-6 PM even when I dose 3 caps around 8 AM and don't take any in the afternoon. Appetite suppression is good, but not as strong as when I first started.

3 caps all at once, however, has had an interesting effect - regardless of whether I take a noon dose or not. In the past 3-4 days I've lost another 2 pounds and my waist dropped about 1/2". This is relatively sudden to be honest.

I think the dosing that is given on the bottle is pretty effective and you get some diminishing returns by simply increasing the dose. Even at 5 caps/day I'm not sure if it is that much more effective. Taking the full dose all at once however, seems to have improved the results somewhat.

Also, I have a very strange "side" effect with Norco - I take it in the morning and I am fine. Then about 6-8 hours after I take it, when I expect it is starting to leave my system, I start getting HOT. My GF tells me I'm a furnace at night. I know my body temp is up almost 2 degrees while I'm on this stuff. I was in a friend's car the other day and she told me she could feel the heat coming off me just sitting about a foot away from her. 2-3 hours after I take it, the heat is OK. When the stimulant effects start wearing off, however, it seems the thermo effects really kick up. It is strange.
 
Anyone know of anything that can combat the effects on sleep Norcodrene has? I've tried theanine, megadoses of taurine, ashwagandha, and relora; none of which had a substantial effect.
 
HIT4ME said:
I am almost done with my second bottle of Norcodrene and it has been a decent run. I haven't been too strict on my diet, and lost 4-5 pounds in the first 2 weeks or so. Then I just plateau'd and stayed at around 242-243 for 4 weeks. Again, my diet has just been a typical working American diet, nothing to strict and I could have done much better. I've had a lot of things come up over the last 6 weeks, so I've barely had time to even workout - but I've kept my weight training going for the most part.

I've played with the dosing. In the beginning 2 caps in the morning and 1 cap in the afternoon was rough. It definitely was a mild stimulant, but kept me awake at night and I had some minor yohimbine sides. After about week 4 the sides were almost all gone.

I worked up to 2 caps 2X per day but I was also taking this with Diablo so I backed off and went back to 2 caps in the morning and 1 cap in the afternoon again - I didn't see a big increase in effectiveness at 4 caps.

About 3 days ago, however, I decided to take all 3 caps in the morning. This would have killed me in the beginning but almost no negative sides at all now. I've been taking 3 caps in the morning for the past 3-4 days and some days I take 1-2 caps in the afternoon and some days I am fine with just 3 in the morning. This product lasts so long I feel it is still working around 4-6 PM even when I dose 3 caps around 8 AM and don't take any in the afternoon. Appetite suppression is good, but not as strong as when I first started.

3 caps all at once, however, has had an interesting effect - regardless of whether I take a noon dose or not. In the past 3-4 days I've lost another 2 pounds and my waist dropped about 1/2". This is relatively sudden to be honest.

I think the dosing that is given on the bottle is pretty effective and you get some diminishing returns by simply increasing the dose. Even at 5 caps/day I'm not sure if it is that much more effective. Taking the full dose all at once however, seems to have improved the results somewhat.

Also, I have a very strange "side" effect with Norco - I take it in the morning and I am fine. Then about 6-8 hours after I take it, when I expect it is starting to leave my system, I start getting HOT. My GF tells me I'm a furnace at night. I know my body temp is up almost 2 degrees while I'm on this stuff. I was in a friend's car the other day and she told me she could feel the heat coming off me just sitting about a foot away from her. 2-3 hours after I take it, the heat is OK. When the stimulant effects start wearing off, however, it seems the thermo effects really kick up. It is strange.
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Makes me super hot too. It comes in waves and is most prevalent after i eat.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Anyone know of anything that can combat the effects on sleep Norcodrene has? I've tried theanine, megadoses of taurine, ashwagandha, and relora; none of which had a substantial effect.
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maybe GABA, Melatonin, or L-Dopa?
 
GreenMachineX said:
Anyone know of anything that can combat the effects on sleep Norcodrene has? I've tried theanine, megadoses of taurine, ashwagandha, and relora; none of which had a substantial effect.
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What's your dosing and how long have you been using it? I found I had to build a tolerance up in dosing over a week or so to avoid it interfering with sleep...and actually if I take 1-2 days off, I can't just jump right back into 3 caps/day without having some amt of sleep issues...
 
schizm said:
What's your dosing and how long have you been using it? I found I had to build a tolerance up in dosing over a week or so to avoid it interfering with sleep...and actually if I take 1-2 days off, I can't just jump right back into 3 caps/day without having some amt of sleep issues...
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It's been about a week now. It's weird because I can take 2 with 1 A-T2 like I just did at 11am and barely*feel* anything now, but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna wake up 39 times tonight lol
 
GreenMachineX said:
It's been about a week now. It's weird because I can take 2 with 1 A-T2 like I just did at 11am and barely*feel* anything now, but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna wake up 39 times tonight lol
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Wild and do you take any in the afternoon? Or tried taking 1/1 of norco/A-T2 in the am?
 
schizm said:
Wild and do you take any in the afternoon? Or tried taking 1/1 of norco/A-T2 in the am?
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At 5am I took 1 scoop alphamine, 1 Norcodrene, and 1 A-T2. Nothing after 11am. Sounds like a lot I'm sure, but the equivalent of alphamine even later in the day never did me like this. I mean, its not a big deal either as I'm sure another week in and I'll be fine.
 
Could be the accumulated yohimbe you're taking in, but ya, agree you'll get used to it in time and be fine :)
 
GreenMachineX said:
Anyone know of anything that can combat the effects on sleep Norcodrene has? I've tried theanine, megadoses of taurine, ashwagandha, and relora; none of which had a substantial effect.
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Melatonin has worked wonders for me as far as sleep loss goes from stimulants. I'm an off shift worker and it is the only thing that's helped me.
 
LiveToLift said:
Melatonin has worked wonders for me as far as sleep loss goes from stimulants. I'm an off shift worker and it is the only thing that's helped me.
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I've considered trying melatonin but never bought any for no specific reason. What dose do you use? I believe I've read a few places that more is not better with this one...?
 
GreenMachineX said:
I've considered trying melatonin but never bought any for no specific reason. What dose do you use? I believe I've read a few places that more is not better with this one...?
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I take one 3mg pill. No need for any more than that.
 
GreenMachineX said:
It's been about a week now. It's weird because I can take 2 with 1 A-T2 like I just did at 11am and barely*feel* anything now, but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna wake up 39 times tonight lol
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What time do you go to bed?
 
Have some kids, then it doesn't matter what you take because you can fall asleep on the dime ANYTIME.
 
So the melatonin helped quite a bit last night. Only woke up about 4 or 5 times but fell back asleep pretty quickly and slept much more deeply. Today I've reduced my dosage by a cap and stopped the A-T2 so I believe tonight should be a great night's rest. Thanks for everyone's input.
 
Driven2lift said:
If I get down to one unopened reserve tub it is a state of emergency lol. If I had a bomb shelter I would keep it stocked with Alphamine as one of my priorities.
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HA. All joking aside, what is the protocol on time off from Alphamine? Do some of y'all just constantly run it? In time off, what supps do yo use instead?
 
ikeNball said:
HA. All joking aside, what is the protocol on time off from Alphamine? Do some of y'all just constantly run it? In time off, what supps do yo use instead?
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Recommendation is on the tub.

Are some of us rebels? Yes, and we have run it much longer without dying but we wouldn't suggest going against the label directions.

In off time its smart to use either no burners and stims at all or at least a stim-free burner like AaV2
 
GreenMachineX said:
So the melatonin helped quite a bit last night. Only woke up about 4 or 5 times but fell back asleep pretty quickly and slept much more deeply. Today I've reduced my dosage by a cap and stopped the A-T2 so I believe tonight should be a great night's rest. Thanks for everyone's input.
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The reduction in total stim dose plus the melatonin resulted in one of the best night's sleep I've had in a long time. Had my alarm set for 5:30 this morning and woke up at 5 refreshed. The melatonin I bought has 200mg theanine in it as well though, just for the record. Melatonin ftw lulz
 
GreenMachineX said:
The reduction in total stim dose plus the melatonin resulted in one of the best night's sleep I've had in a long time. Had my alarm set for 5:30 this morning and woke up at 5 refreshed. The melatonin I bought has 200mg theanine in it as well though, just for the record. Melatonin ftw lulz
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Glad to hear that. Keep us updated on future experiences as well. I hate losing sleep...so I am happy I haven't had that issue.
 
GreenMachineX said:
The reduction in total stim dose plus the melatonin resulted in one of the best night's sleep I've had in a long time. Had my alarm set for 5:30 this morning and woke up at 5 refreshed. The melatonin I bought has 200mg theanine in it as well though, just for the record. Melatonin ftw lulz
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Nailed it! :D

Good to hear we were able to get you some z's bro!
 
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Had to re-up. Just wasn't the same ec after running this stack about a month ago. I need some recompadrol :)
 
rangestormer said:
PES Reps, is Norcodrene available anywhere in Europe? I can't find where to order it from. :(
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Ben (bdcc) may be able to help you out. Send him a PM or just wait a little bit as I am sure he'll pop in this thread eventually like the good rep he is. :D
 
I've asked the same. There is a retailer in the UK, but a couple of weeks ago they were only giving away samples.
 
They should have it for retail very soon. :)
 
What is up with the lack of reviews on this? Seems as if tons of people have ran it and no final reviews!
 
PharmAnalyst said:
Very good point. I was going to do a review but I didn't track any actual numbers so it didn't feel like it would be doing it justice.
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Yeah, I haven't ran it yet because of the mountain of other products and it is definitely on my to do list soon. Was looking for reviews and pretty much 0 exist!
 
I think the size of this thread has caused issues. Myself and a few others have placed mini-reviews in this thread, rather than starting our own threads - and maybe that has hurt the group. I apologize. Busy at work but I will try to get a review up in the proper section in the next couple days. I think it was a great product, but there are some downsides - notably I think it messed with my sleep dramatically, even though I didn't attribute it to the norcodrene until the end of the cycle. But it is an effective product for sure.
 
I'm running it now, when complete I'll throw one up!
 
HIT4ME said:
I think the size of this thread has caused issues. Myself and a few others have placed mini-reviews in this thread, rather than starting our own threads - and maybe that has hurt the group. I apologize. Busy at work but I will try to get a review up in the proper section in the next couple days. I think it was a great product, but there are some downsides - notably I think it messed with my sleep dramatically, even though I didn't attribute it to the norcodrene until the end of the cycle. But it is an effective product for sure.
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I think you are right. Many of our PES product threads have become dozens and dozens of pages long with reviews hidden in the middle somewhere.

When I was compiling reviews it took a lot of digging rather than looking at the review section.

It would be great if people here would like to leave reviews in the review section. We would be very grateful. :)
 
I just finished 3 bottles or norcodrene how log of break should I take ? And can I bridge over to alphamine or neither for a few weeks ?
 
luckylefty811 said:
I just finished 3 bottles or norcodrene how log of break should I take ? And can I bridge over to alphamine or neither for a few weeks ?
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After 3 bottles I would take a week or two off :)
 
luckylefty811 said:
I just finished 3 bottles or norcodrene how log of break should I take ? And can I bridge over to alphamine or neither for a few weeks ?
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I would recommend cycling off all fat burners for 4 weeks and then you should be good to go on the Alphamine.
 
Is it overkill stacking amentomax with norco? I'm loving my run of amentomax with a different stim at the moment. I'm "worried" I will be spoiled now when I move back to norco lol. How much of a difference in amentoflavone concentration is there?
 
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