PES Norcodrene ??

ion26 said:
Either way it's not a huge difference. Muscle is actually pretty hard to lose...

It's all up to preference when it comes to cardio.
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Cardio itself is very catablolic period. (Listen to the podcast by Norton and Dr Wilson)
Its easy to lose muscle especially when dieting prolonged periods of times and doing cardio (which can lead to muscle loss) over time. Again its how you structure your diet and training.
 
ma70 said:
Unfortunately I don't have the articles on hand because I just randomly google stuff. I'll listen up to that one too. I like learning.
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You were actually correct the first time, iirc, that episode of the podcast agrees with your comment about HIIT. The main take away though is that if you turn it into an endurance sport and do that fasted, it's probably a bad idea. Anything you do for a long enough period of time especially without nutrients in you system will become catabolic.

Mind you, the HIIT they refer to are things such as wingates. Maximum power output for very short bouts. Super high intensity but your total volume is not going to be very high. Ropes work well for it and things like the Prowler.
 
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HIIT is highly catabolic, but that catabolism isn't solely related to LBM. You want your cardio to be catabolic as it would be a waste if you weren't breaking down substrate.
 
Curious if any known half life of the various components of Norco...if my last dose of 1 cap is around 1:30pm (w/2caps taken at 9:30am), would anything still be active as I down a preWO at 5am, next morning?
Not sure if that's been answered in this sea of posts, lol...
 
Rodja said:
HIIT is highly catabolic, but that catabolism isn't solely related to LBM. You want your cardio to be catabolic as it would be a waste if you weren't breaking down substrate.
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Pretty much this. Being "catabolic" isn't necessarily a bad thing if it is directed appropriately. You have to be catabolic to feed on those fat stores.

The word catabolic is demonized nearly as much as "cortisol" as the cause of all evil, when in truth, you need both, but just at the appropriate times.
 
haiz69 said:
Pretty much this. Being "catabolic" isn't necessarily a bad thing if it is directed appropriately. You have to be catabolic to feed on those fat stores. The word catabolic is demonized nearly as much as "cortisol" as the cause of all evil, when in truth, you need both, but just at the appropriate times.
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It's nice to see more people that get it.
 
kissdadookie said:
How else do people expect to lose fat? Losing fat by definition is a catabolic action.
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Magic - Clearly.

I all seriousness though, when the word catabolic is used, most immediately go to "Oh No, my muscle is withering away".
 
haiz69 said:
Pretty much this. Being "catabolic" isn't necessarily a bad thing if it is directed appropriately. You have to be catabolic to feed on those fat stores.

The word catabolic is demonized nearly as much as "cortisol" as the cause of all evil, when in truth, you need both, but just at the appropriate times.
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Almost any form of exercise, including weight lifting, is catabolic. Should we avoid all exercise for fear of losing muscle? People often over-generalize and end up missing the point.
 
aaronuconn said:
Should I stop doing HIIT + weights fasted? Nah...
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Probably more beneficial overall to have peri-workout nutrition and then do the workouts. Overall the data shows that it will not impede fat loss and that the metabolic effect for the whole day isn't effected. Doesn't mean that you should have a huge meal or anything, but just enough to provide the body with what it needs in order to get a better balance of breakdown to synthesis.
 
The Solution said:
I know that from the podcast, just stating that cardio as some said earlier is not very catabolic in a fasted state was un-true.
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It's incredibly catabolic, but the goal of cardio is to maximize catabolism....literally, to "burn off" calories. What determines the substrate for this caloric burn goes beyond whether or not a meal was consumed beforehand.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
It's incredibly catabolic, but the goal of cardio is to maximize catabolism....literally, to "burn off" calories. What determines the substrate for this caloric burn goes beyond whether or not a meal was consumed beforehand.
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agree 100%, that is why (Since its so catabolic) and bcaa/eaa product (no plug for Amino IV here) would be optimal to dose before hand.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
It's incredibly catabolic, but the goal of cardio is to maximize catabolism....literally, to "burn off" calories. What determines the substrate for this caloric burn goes beyond whether or not a meal was consumed beforehand.
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I do cardio so I can add about 1k calories to my diet. Food lover here!

I believe high intensity cardio will only increase performance given you're on a good calorie surplus. For instance. ..sprints. The limiting factor of it negatively impacting your size is when you couple that with poor recovery, not enough calories to support cardio and a bad form with cardio.

Just my .02.
 
pyrobatt said:
I do cardio so I can add about 1k calories to my diet. Food lover here!I believe high intensity cardio will only increase performance given you're on a good calorie surplus. For instance. ..sprints. The limiting factor of it negatively impacting your size is when you couple that with poor recovery, not enough calories to support cardio and a bad form with cardio. Just my .02.
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Well I think the recovery aspect can be overcome with adaptation. The longer you keep at it, the less you will get sore and the more adapted your muscles will be to weight training in addition to the load that HIIT places on muscle tissue. I think the true limiting factor of HIIT is the CNS drain. Similar to weight training, you can induce a CNS overtraining phenomenon from chronic, excessive HIIT. This is a major reason you see BBing competitors stick to LISS in the final weeks of prep. When the CNS is already in a fragile state, adding HIIT can cut in to maintaining strength in a deficit for neuron-based reasons (moreso than muscular overtraining)
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Well I think the recovery aspect can be overcome with adaptation. The longer you keep at it, the less you will get sore and the more adapted your muscles will be to weight training in addition to the load that HIIT places on muscle tissue. I think the true limiting factor of HIIT is the CNS drain. Similar to weight training, you can induce a CNS overtraining phenomenon from chronic, excessive HIIT. This is a major reason you see BBing competitors stick to LISS in the final weeks of prep. When the CNS is already in a fragile state, adding HIIT can cut in to maintaining strength in a deficit for neuron-based reasons (moreso than muscular overtraining)
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I was referring to people who are constantly under recovered due to poor sleep ect before starting the cardio. I'm with you on the adaptation.
 
Coop,

Would you rather run Norcodrene or Alpha-t2? otherwise any benefit to combine them? If I am using 4-6 caps ABE ED for 12 weeks and maybe total f95 125mg ED. and Burn24 with densed-carb meals twice daily 2-3 caps.

I am thinking Norco contains AT2 ingredients but with more things. So no need to take both?

thnx

mr.cooper69 said:
Ah. Well I'm one of those people, hence no cardio :D
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sina said:
Coop,

Would you rather run Norcodrene or Alpha-t2? otherwise any benefit to combine them? If I am using 4-6 caps ABE ED for 12 weeks and maybe total f95 125mg ED. and Burn24 with densed-carb meals twice daily 2-3 caps.

I am thinking Norco contains AT2 ingredients but with more things. So no need to take both?

thnx
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I'm not sure many people would be able to handle Norcodrene stacked with another stim, even as mild as Alpha-T2. If i had to pick, I'd choose norcodrene if I'm deciding to use caffeine. I have yet to find its equal
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Well I think the recovery aspect can be overcome with adaptation. The longer you keep at it, the less you will get sore and the more adapted your muscles will be to weight training in addition to the load that HIIT places on muscle tissue. I think the true limiting factor of HIIT is the CNS drain. Similar to weight training, you can induce a CNS overtraining phenomenon from chronic, excessive HIIT. This is a major reason you see BBing competitors stick to LISS in the final weeks of prep. When the CNS is already in a fragile state, adding HIIT can cut in to maintaining strength in a deficit for neuron-based reasons (moreso than muscular overtraining)
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Yep.... I've just done three consecutive days of weights and a little HIIT whilst in a defecit and my CNS has suffered... Increased resting heart rate and inability to sleep last night but my body feels fine. A day off and moving to LISS I think is a better approach when you've been cutting for a while.
 
saggy321 said:
Yep.... I've just done three consecutive days of weights and a little HIIT whilst in a defecit and my CNS has suffered... Increased resting heart rate and inability to sleep last night but my body feels fine. A day off and moving to LISS I think is a better approach when you've been cutting for a while.
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IMO, 3 days of HIIT a week should suffice. 3 days in a row could certainly be taxing.
 
breezy11 said:
Nutrition FTW. :)
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Your in the wrong section breezy! :chairshot:

JK

Sina if you want caffiene go with Norcodrene if you don't go with Alpha T2. If you don't know, then just go with Norcodrene I feel it is the most comprehensive fat loss formula on the market and should equate to actual fat loss not just stimulation (although be careful that combo of ingredients does produce some unique stimulant feel).
 
I like Norcodrene with AT2. I handle yohimbe very well.

It can be used for those sensitive to stims if someone starts at 1 capsule of Norcodrene in the morning and 1 capsule of Alpha-T2 later on.

Assess tolerance and build up.
 
aaronuconn said:
IMO, 3 days of HIIT a week should suffice. 3 days in a row could certainly be taxing.
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Agree also. One other thing to note: if doing HIIT correctly, one will not be able to handle consecutive days or more than 4x a week. And if by the end of the HIIT session you're not about to drop, you're doing it wrong.
 
bdcc said:
I like Norcodrene with AT2. I handle yohimbe very well. It can be used for those sensitive to stims if someone starts at 1 capsule of Norcodrene in the morning and 1 capsule of Alpha-T2 later on. Assess tolerance and build up.
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Were you doing HIIT in conjunction with that stack?
 
My HIIT on norcodrene and new anabeta elite was bananas. I couldnt get tired.

It wasnt super noticeable tho until I came off the products and then i was like damn... Stuff really worked lol
 
ive been taking 4 norcodrene a day. outrageous amount of app suppression. i have been doing 2 at 6am and 2 at 2pm and its been great. my bottle is almost done i am going to purchase more mid month. i have droped 8 lbs in a week and a half.
 
luckylefty811 said:
ive been taking 4 norcodrene a day. outrageous amount of app suppression. i have been doing 2 at 6am and 2 at 2pm and its been great. my bottle is almost done i am going to purchase more mid month. i have droped 8 lbs in a week and a half.
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DANG. 8 lbs in a week and a half? You must've cut out a lot of carbs in thatperiod of time I would guess.
 
luckylefty811 said:
ive been taking 4 norcodrene a day. outrageous amount of app suppression. i have been doing 2 at 6am and 2 at 2pm and its been great. my bottle is almost done i am going to purchase more mid month. i have droped 8 lbs in a week and a half.
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PES is having a sale tomorrow so if you aren't an insider, I would advise you to be.
 
luckylefty811 said:
ive been taking 4 norcodrene a day. outrageous amount of app suppression. i have been doing 2 at 6am and 2 at 2pm and its been great. my bottle is almost done i am going to purchase more mid month. i have droped 8 lbs in a week and a half.
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And even when the appetite suppression may fade from prolonged use, the fat loss effects of our TGR5 agonist and cirsimarin/amentoflavone combo persist!
 
mr.cooper69 said:
And even when the appetite suppression may fade from prolonged use, the fat loss effects of our TGR5 agonist and cirsimarin/amentoflavone combo persist!
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i got my box of the analyzed deal yesterday x4 cista x2 amentomax x1 forskolin x1 agmatine

had the cista w pwo meal, then took amentomaxx with 2 scoops of craze, holy ****ing chit my mind was honestly blown my strength i couldn't believe it, im on the last weeks of my cut now, and strength in the last couple of weeks has been rough to maintain, but today wot the phuck brah lol i was failing at 5 reps with 225lbs on incline bench 2 weeks ago, yesterday i did 13 lol and it felt like nothing so i kept doing sets and zoned in same happened on flat bench press and incline dumbbell press it just never ended, getting pr's on everything, i have the rest of my goodies coming soon. might log them both alongside everything else, veins were scary, keep in mind i also had 2 caps norcodrene in the am, this was pm workout of chest + back.

can't describe how good the amentoflavone on its own went, craze alone is normally insane for strength ect but this was not coming from that lol had plenty of workouts on other chest sessions even using craze solo i didn't have this much strength. i couldn't do 231lbs on flat bench for weeks and suddenly today boom i hit it for 2 reps, which is fantastic, since cutting heavy lifting is whats most important for keeping size. not sure yet about cistamaxx but my pumps and fullness were great.
 
Did anyone else try stacking Norcodrene with Nerve Restore? Each is effective for its respective purpose, but I found they had a pretty amazing synergy for appetite suppression and mood when combined.
 
PharmAnalyst said:
Did anyone else try stacking Norcodrene with Nerve Restore? Each is effective for its respective purpose, but I found they had a pretty amazing synergy for appetite suppression and mood when combined.
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i was a while back until my bottle ran out. waiting on 2 more, they went so dam well lol strength was amazing dosed pwo. im not sure about appetite some days i have been struggling with some binges, even while on norco. but then at other times im not even thinking off food, even on poverty macros. so idk. but it might of been the L-Dopa (mucca purreins) and daa combo that triggered them, i lost my mind lol after been on low fat for a few weeks suddenly taking them boom
 
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