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PES Norcodrene ??

T-Bone said:
Finally was able to take 2 at once today of the norco. Mood shot way up. No jitters. Maybe I can finally take the normal recommended dosage now. Will take another 1 cap around 5PM.
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So you found that by easing into Norco (and maybe Alphamine), it was much easier. Have you ever used just regular Yohimbine?
 
T-Bone said:
Years and years ago. Late 2004-early 2005 I've used regular YHCL. Didn't use much, 2.5 mg three times a day with EHCL and Caffiene tabs. Not sure how it would effect me these days. Alphamine was just too strong for me and for some reason I couldn't even handle 1/4 of the dosage without getting the shakes. I even weighed it out each time. Norco doesn't seem as strong but it does also have the SA2, so I'm thinking in my specific case maybe if I do sort of a "primer" with norcodrene, then maybe I'll be able to handle Alphamine.
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Well I hope you can dive into some Alphamine after the norco primer! You are missing out on heaven in a tub!
 
T-Bone said:
I think I might be able to handle alphamine after I finish my run of Norco. Might not be a good idea to run alphamine right after but if it's the only way I can handle it....Sort of like using Norco as a "Primer" for alphamine?.
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Honestly, you could have worked your way up with Alphamine as well :P But, on the bright side here, at least yohimbine won't freak you out as much for the time being unless you stop using it for awhile for your tolerance to come back down.
 
T-Bone said:
Nope actually enhanced was nothing like Alphamine for me. Just smooth long lasting energy.
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That is very odd. In any case I sure hope you will be able to run alphamine.
 
Question for Coop or anyone who knows;

I have of course been avoiding Tyramine while using Alphamine (Yohimbe) since I was shown their interaction.

I've been led to believe that it is much less of an issue with Tyrosine, to the extent that some cutting stacks are based on the combination. (Lyle McDonald)

Just looking for confirmation I wouldn't die from having a scoop of Alphamine (or cap Norco) alongside a supplement with Tyrosine. :P
 
Driven2lift said:
Question for Coop or anyone who knows; I have of course been avoiding Tyramine while using Alphamine (Yohimbe) since I was shown their interaction. I've been led to believe that it is much less of an issue with Tyrosine, to the extent that some cutting stacks are based on the combination. (Lyle McDonald) Just looking for confirmation I wouldn't die from having a scoop of Alphamine (or cap Norco) alongside a supplement with Tyrosine. :P
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It'll end up being an individual tolerance thing. Of course we can't recommend that (and I've never tried it myself), but I know others who have and been fine. If you do end up doing that please start at low doses. :D
 
bolt10 said:
It'll end up being an individual tolerance thing. Of course we can't recommend that (and I've never tried it myself), but I know others who have and been fine. If you do end up doing that please start at low doses. :D
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Was planning to. I found it odd that even with some level of interaction the combination became popular.

Thanks!
 
Driven2lift said:
Question for Coop or anyone who knows;I have of course been avoiding Tyramine while using Alphamine (Yohimbe) since I was shown their interaction.I've been led to believe that it is much less of an issue with Tyrosine, to the extent that some cutting stacks are based on the combination. (Lyle McDonald) Just looking for confirmation I wouldn't die from having a scoop of Alphamine (or cap Norco) alongside a supplement with Tyrosine. :P
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Don't know about tyramine but first hand experience, high doses of tyrosine with a good dose of y is no bueno. Makes me super sick. Really dose dependent IMO and that dose also varies with individuals.
 
I am easing my way into it tomorrow and will report back.

Thanks again gents
 
T-Bone said:
Now I'm confused. Is it Tyrosine or Tyromine?...Because Fitmax has "L-tyrosine" and "N-Methyltyramine HCL" and I've been stacking norcodrene with fitmax since I first started it.
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Tyrosine. The post I responded to was the person stating he has combo'd it with tyramine before and was thinking about tyrosine.
 
Well I gave it a try and I'm alive. No ill symptoms at all, TBH I think it was the best preworkout mix I've ever used.

1scoop Katana + 1 scoop Alphamine

Euphoria. No stim overload and still feeling that light buzz and pleasant mood effects 6 hours later.

On top of the Katana pumps, I hit a few PR's today
 
T-Bone said:
Now I'm confused. Is it Tyrosine or Tyromine?...Because Fitmax has "L-tyrosine" and "N-Methyltyramine HCL" and I've been stacking norcodrene with fitmax since I first started it.
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Both.

Look up the "cheesing effect".

I wouldn't combine them.
 
T-Bone said:
I've been combining it since first starting Norcodrene, not gonna bother stopping now.
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As I said before Tyrosine seems to be much less of an issue, if one at all.
The combination is the basis for a popular fat-burning stack used before fasted cardio.

Tyramine on the other hand, stay away.
 
aaronuconn said:
Both.

Look up the "cheesing effect".

I wouldn't combine them.
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i think i learnt the hard way with this. deffinately DO not take them together. i used enhanced with ritual once had good workout but i got hypertension for sure. and horrible sides another time using yohimbe with this vit b supp with tyrosine in it
 
Auslifter said:
i think i learnt the hard way with this. deffinately DO not take them together. i used enhanced with ritual once had good workout but i got hypertension for sure. and horrible sides another time using yohimbe with this vit b supp with tyrosine in it
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I like that 'do' is in caps as opposed to 'not'
Lol
 
Started my cut a little early (yesterday). Did 2 caps first thing in the morning pre w/ 500 mg's agmatine, 4 grams BA, 2 grams betaine, 1 scoop CREmTOR, Forskolin, and 3 caps Erase (OG). 2 scoops Amino IV intra. Then I did 1 cap a few hours later w/ 2 caps Beta Test. Here's what I thought:

Damn the energy comes on slow but it's smooth and very mild. Feels like there's not too much higenamine and Y at least when compared to Alphamine. Alphamine wins in the stims dept. Mood was good, not euphoric though. Appetite, eh, didn't feel much of anything in that dept.

This morning just finished my workout. I did 2 caps w/ 1 tab of Bronkaid. Better energy of course this time due to the added Bronkaid. I like this better so far. Bronkaid kicks in first, then the Norcodrene kicked in mid-workout. Not jittery or crazy stimmed out (try at your own discretion, use your own judgement here people, and if in doubt, don't try it?). Going to dose another 1 cap at around 10:30AM (Eastern time).
 
kissdadookie said:
Started my cut a little early (yesterday). Did 2 caps first thing in the morning pre w/ 500 mg's agmatine, 4 grams BA, 2 grams betaine, 1 scoop CREmTOR, Forskolin, and 3 caps Erase (OG). 2 scoops Amino IV intra. Then I did 1 cap a few hours later w/ 2 caps Beta Test. Here's what I thought: Damn the energy comes on slow but it's smooth and very mild. Feels like there's not too much higenamine and Y at least when compared to Alphamine. Alphamine wins in the stims dept. Mood was good, not euphoric though. Appetite, eh, didn't feel much of anything in that dept. This morning just finished my workout. I did 2 caps w/ 1 tab of Bronkaid. Better energy of course this time due to the added Bronkaid. I like this better so far. Bronkaid kicks in first, then the Norcodrene kicked in mid-workout. Not jittery or crazy stimmed out (try at your own discretion, use your own judgement here people, and if in doubt, don't try it?). Going to dose another 1 cap at around 10:30AM (Eastern time).
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I also started norco and AT2 yesterday also. Your review concerning the energy, mood and appetite control is just like mine. Took 1 cap norco, 1 cap AT2, 50mg forskolin, 500mg agmatine, and 1g of ALCAR. Have real good focus with this stack! Im taking 1cap norco and 1cap AT2 in morning fasted and 1cap norco and 1 cap AT2 preworkout. Im gonna up my dose of AT2 to max before i up my dose of norco to dosemax!
 
NattyForLife said:
I also started norco and AT2 yesterday also. Your review concerning the energy, mood and appetite control is just like mine. Took 1 cap norco, 1 cap AT2, 50mg forskolin, 500mg agmatine, and 1g of ALCAR. Have real good focus with this stack! Im taking 1cap norco and 1cap AT2 in morning fasted and 1cap norco and 1 cap AT2 preworkout. Im gonna up my dose of AT2 to max before i up my dose of norco to dosemax!
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Last time I cut, I used 1 AT2 pre-workout (used an actual stimmed pre on lift days, treadmill days I used 2 scoops Alphamine). Worked out pretty well, sweat city :D I then took 2 AT2's later in the day and usually with a light dose of whatever free sample stim burner sample I had laying around, on the weekends at home I would just use 1 scoop of Alphamine with the dose.
 
kissdadookie said:
Last time I cut, I used 1 AT2 pre-workout (used an actual stimmed pre on lift days, treadmill days I used 2 scoops Alphamine). Worked out pretty well, sweat city :D I then took 2 AT2's later in the day and usually with a light dose of whatever free sample stim burner sample I had laying around, on the weekends at home I would just use 1 scoop of Alphamine with the dose.
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You guys are beasts straight up ! In thinking of doing katana and norco preworkout today that sounds interesting !!! I'm holding my cherry limeade aplhamkns like a new born. I need to start that ish up !
 
So, this Bronkaid + Norcodrene. So far, thumbs up from me on this combo in terms of energy and appetite suppression :D The energy is long lasting as well. No yohimbine sweats though, any of you PES bros can comment on this? Is the yohimbine extract used in Norcodrene as well as the higenamine just lower dosed than compared to let's say, Alphamine?
 
kissdadookie said:
So, this Bronkaid + Norcodrene. So far, thumbs up from me on this combo in terms of energy and appetite suppression :D The energy is long lasting as well. No yohimbine sweats though, any of you PES bros can comment on this? Is the yohimbine extract used in Norcodrene as well as the higenamine just lower dosed than compared to let's say, Alphamine?
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I can't remember off the top of the head but one of the ingredients in Norcodrene should specifically help lower the onset of sides usually associated with yohimbine. When I get back to a computer I'll link the thread with the answer if no one else beats me to it.

Edit: unless you were talking about lowered thermogenic response? Maybe I am misreading. :p
 
bolt10 said:
I can't remember off the top of the head but one of the ingredients in Norcodrene should specifically help lower the onset of sides usually associated with yohimbine. When I get back to a computer I'll link the thread with the answer if no one else beats me to it.

Edit: unless you were talking about lowered thermogenic response? Maybe I am misreading. :p
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Lower thermogenic response, unless sweating profusely is an unwanted side effect :P
 
Additional note. Took my second dose (1 cap) + bronkaid + 2 caps Beta Test at around 10:30AM. All in all, this combo has been highly effective today in crushing my appetite AND I'm short by 500 calories that I usually would have consumed by now. Not feeling hungry from that even though often times even if I'm off by 100-200 calories, my body would actually signal me that I'm hungry.
 
T-Bone said:
I guess I could try stacking it with some Jack3d Advanced. I have a couple of tubs of that stuff. Maybe I'll trade the rest of my fitmax bottles.
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TBH, I don't see how the tyrosine content in 1 scoop of Fitmax would cause much of an issue combined with Norcodrene (of course it would be dependent upon the individual). Doesn't appear to be enough tyrosine to create adverse effects. Kind of dose dependent when you combine the two elements together.
 
T-Bone said:
Now that it's "in my head" though, there is more potential for it to cause problems....
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You'll know it when you've crossed the threshold. I've done it by accident before (since then, I've colour coded and labeled the lids of some of my supplements, clearly stating what not to use them with). Took about 1 gram of tyrosine that was in a preworkout and 2 AT2s. OMG I was so sick :P Super nauseous.
 
I have also suffered this fate.

Doses of two products I used commonly were separated so I completely overlooked it. I felt awful lol.
 
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T-Bone said:
Seriously though, what kind of potential problems could it cause?. I'm gonna finish my current bottle of fitmax tomorrow and trade my others. Gonna try stacking norco with Jack3d advanced. It has some yohimbine in it also but the kind that was in Enhanced that I loved. Plus I'll start really low on the dosage. That'll be Thursday or Friday though.
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Over stimulation. Serious nausea, severe anxiety, etc. When you combine that with exercise, the adverse effects would hit you really hard. You'll know it when you feel it because you will feel it when you combine the two ingredients at high enough dosages to cause the adverse effects.
 
kissdadookie said:
B Over stimulation. Serious nausea, severe anxiety, etc. When you combine that with exercise, the adverse effects would hit you really hard. You'll know it when you feel it because you will feel it when you combine the two ingredients at high enough dosages to cause the adverse effects.
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I believe that BP and HR could also rise.
 
kissdadookie said:
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Over stimulation. Serious nausea, severe anxiety, etc. When you combine that with exercise, the adverse effects would hit you really hard. You'll know it when you feel it because you will feel it when you combine the two ingredients at high enough dosages to cause the adverse effects.
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i have felt these effects before. and know exactly what hes talking about. just do not over do the stims. i over did craze and enahnced once and had horrible sides
 
So, 4th day in on Norcodrene. 3rd day in on the Norcodren + Bronkaid combo. I would consider the cut to have officially begun as I'm shedding a bit of water weight and I get the nice warm sensation when I have a meal.

No noticeable sides. No heart palpatations. No nausea. I do miss the yohimbine sweat though, my best guess is that the yohimbine is dosed pretty low in Norcodrene compared to Alphamine.
 
kissdadookie said:
So, 4th day in on Norcodrene. 3rd day in on the Norcodren + Bronkaid combo. I would consider the cut to have officially begun as I'm shedding a bit of water weight and I get the nice warm sensation when I have a meal.

No noticeable sides. No heart palpatations. No nausea. I do miss the yohimbine sweat though, my best guess is that the yohimbine is dosed pretty low in Norcodrene compared to Alphamine.
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Stacking with bronkaid? Nice :)
 
chedapalooza said:
Stacking with bronkaid? Nice :)
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Yeah, I knew from my first day using Norcodrene that it wasn't going to be enough since it did not much of anything for me on the appetite front and I needed more energy for my morning workouts. At first I was thinking half a Bronkaid tablet but after day one, I was pretty sure I would be ok with 1 tab of Bronkaid w/ 2 caps of Norcodrene in the mornin (4:30 ish) and then another tab of Bronkaid w/ 1 cap of Norcodrene later (10:30AM). My assumptions held true. ;)
 
kissdadookie said:
Yeah, I knew from my first day using Norcodrene that it wasn't going to be enough since it did not much of anything for me on the appetite front and I needed more energy for my morning workouts. At first I was thinking half a Bronkaid tablet but after day one, I was pretty sure I would be ok with 1 tab of Bronkaid w/ 2 caps of Norcodrene in the mornin (4:30 ish) and then another tab of Bronkaid w/ 1 cap of Norcodrene later (10:30AM). My assumptions held true. ;)
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Sounds amazing. Holding out on any E til it gets warmer in Connecticut
 
T-Bone said:
Tried 2 norco with one scoop of Jack3d advanced pre workout(cardio) today. Also mixed a scoop up to drink during cardio. It was a bit much. I was all pumped up and ready to go singing along with radio, but a bit nervous also. Only drank half of the scoop that I mixed up to drink during cardio. I got my heart rate up to target within 10 minutes, which is only about 10 minutes early. Still had to take it easy and not push as much to keep it from going over target. Gonna save the other half and drink it with food maybe around 5 pm. Tomorrow I'll try half scoop pre and half scoop intra.

It was hard to hold back because I had boundless energy. If you want a good kick in the arse, try this combo. Seemed to make the norco mood effects more pronounced and give an unparalleled feeling of dominance.
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Brave man. That sounds like a way stronger stim kick than my Norcodrene + bronkaid :P
 
T-Bone said:
Question that I'm too damn lazy to look up- Do any of the ingredients in Norcodrene lower cortisol?. I'm feeling some aches and pains that aren't typical.
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I actually have been noticing my joints are a little stiffer than usual right now too after about two weeks in on norco. Not saying correlation = causation but nevertheless I'm interested in the response to this.

I guess stiff isn't the right word, aches and pains as T-bone put it better describes it.
 
Is it just dry joints or a full drying effect as seen with something like OG Erase?
 
Driven2lift said:
Is it just dry joints or a full drying effect as seen with something like OG Erase?
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Good question. I was a higher bf% when i ran OG erase so i feel like i really didn't get the max benefits of that aspect of erase so its kind of tough for me to compare that. Ill try and pay a little more attention to that over the next few days. Its just a lot easier to notice an aching wrist, shoulder, and ankle. Once again I'm not saying Norco is the reason for the aches but they're definitely flaring up.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Yup, looks good to go. Let me know how you like it, it's a product I've been eyeing
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Will do. Yea so have I. I had this bottle since it first came out and was waiting for the right time to use it. Now I have Norco and it's another I'm dying to try. Might start in a week or two. Will keep you posted. Thanx cooper
 
halfhuman said:
Will do. Yea so have I. I had this bottle since it first came out and was waiting for the right time to use it. Now I have Norco and it's another I'm dying to try. Might start in a week or two. Will keep you posted. Thanx cooper
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Can't wait to hear your thoughts on it, looks like a very interesting product.
 
T-Bone said:
Well for the past few days I been having pain in my elbows. So bad today and yesterday that it hurts just to pick something up off the floor, or even shake up a protein drink in a shaker. Tried to push myself through it at the gym today but ended up lowering the weights and then going home. It's pretty bad at this point.
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Interesting. I'm still recovering from this left top shoulder issue (tendonitis or something similar I am guessing, it's getting better though), so I will be looking out for any weird joint complications whilst being on Norcodrene (also taking OG Erase, but arimistane usually hasn't given me any problems.. well, towards weeks 10 or so, I did get some sides using arimistane for 12 weeks straight).
 
Went to bed hungry as hell. Woke up hungrier. Dropped the Norcodrene, bronkaid, Erase (OG), betaine, agmatine, BA, and CREmTOR. Hunger disappeared and went to work at the gym.

Deadlifted 2 plates 2x12, 3 plates 1x8 1x6, 2 plates and a 35 1x6 then went on the leg press 5 plates for 20, 6 plates for 16, 7 and a half plates for 14, leg curled 2 plates short of the stack, leg raised the stack, calf raised 4 plates for 2x20, did some wood choppers with 150 3x14, straight leg raised 3x30, side blended 90s 3x14, kneeling cable crunched the stack of 200 3x20, then finished with a set of shrugs with 90s for 10.

Still boundless energy, it's been 5 days on this deficit and even though I miscalculated and the deficit is higher than I thought it was, did not lose any strength yet and feeling great.

So far so good on this Norcodrene. I may possibly enjoy Norcodrene + bronkaid more than Alphamine!
 
I don't see anything that should be causing joint pain in Norcodrene...I'd lean towards that being coincidence at this point.
 
kissdadookie said:
Went to bed hungry as hell. Woke up hungrier. Dropped the Norcodrene, bronkaid, Erase (OG), betaine, agmatine, BA, and CREmTOR. Hunger disappeared and went to work at the gym. Deadlifted 2 plates 2x12, 3 plates 1x8 1x6, 2 plates and a 35 1x6 then went on the leg press 5 plates for 20, 6 plates for 16, 7 and a half plates for 14, leg curled 2 plates short of the stack, leg raised the stack, calf raised 4 plates for 2x20, did some wood choppers with 150 3x14, straight leg raised 3x30, side blended 90s 3x14, kneeling cable crunched the stack of 200 3x20, then finished with a set of shrugs with 90s for 10. Still boundless energy, it's been 5 days on this deficit and even though I miscalculated and the deficit is higher than I thought it was, did not lose any strength yet and feeling great. So far so good on this Norcodrene. I may possibly enjoy Norcodrene + bronkaid more than Alphamine!
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Nice work bro. Sounds good so far.
 
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