PES Norcodrene ??

You guys already know and love blend #2 from alphamine (though there are slight tweaks), but here's everything you need to know on Blend #1:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pes/240715-cirsium-oligophyllum.html
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pes/240716-cirisum-japonicum.html
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pes/240717-nomilin.html
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I tried to highlight the synergies without making them obvious. This is your chance to impress me by telling me which ingredients work best with which of the other ingredients, and through what mechanisms
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I will highlight more of norcodrenes GDA properties when I write about amentoflavone, which improves insulin sensitivity and makes your body less likely to start carbs as fat by inhibiting FAS simultaneously (did someone say selective GDA?). I'd like to note though that while norcodrene does so much (thermo, nutrient partitioning, mood, tgr5, preworkout), its primary modalities are as a very strong thermogenic and tgr5 agonist. The rest is kinda icing on the cake. So be aware...expect to not be hungry on norcodrene :D
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All reasons I'm extremely excited to get this in my possession! :)
 
Daycrawler said:
I don't have aav2 on hand but I have recompadrol. If you want to run that with nocodrene, I'll shoot you a bottle of recompadrol.
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EBF Inc said:
Or I can send an aav2
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Wow. Thanks guys. Made my week! Whichever would be better for my cut I would love to add. I haven't used any EBF products but only heard great things. guess I'll order the norcodrene :)
 
My Norcodrene has arrived!
 
So jealous of all the folks jumping in on this deal :( Going to have to look forward to future deals on it as I did not budget for it :(

Boooooo! MAD jelly :P
 
BlackWinging said:
Ordered 2, now just gotta wait for the tracking number so I can refresh the tracking page all day.
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Nice...I may end up ordering another one myself before the weekend is out. I ordered it yesterday and it's scheduled to be delivered tomorrow (Now, that's FAST!!). I guess it pays to live on the East coast as PES is based out of Florida and I live in Virginia.
 
Just purchased a bottle. Looking forward soon to building a stack around it!
 
bdcc said:
Retailers set their own price so there is no way of us to know for certain.
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Edit. I'm a complete moron. Who would've though to check the PES site for the PES site price... Not this guy apparently
 
cbsharpe said:
Nice...I may end up ordering another one myself before the weekend is out. I ordered it yesterday and it's scheduled to be delivered tomorrow (Now, that's FAST!!). I guess it pays to live on the East coast as PES is based out of Florida and I live in Virginia.
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PES has a special place in their hearts for VA folk. ;)
 
T-Bone said:
I was hoping for something stim free. That would have been nice. What is with the current obsession with yohimbine/yohimbe extracts?. Honestly, these types of supplements would have a larger potential user base if yohimbe derivatives were excluded.
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Watcha talkin 'bout Willis? I love me some y! :P
 
T-Bone said:
I was hoping for something stim free. That would have been nice. What is with the current obsession with yohimbine/yohimbe extracts?. Honestly, these types of supplements would have a larger potential user base if yohimbe derivatives were excluded.
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IMO there are a lot of people who love those extracts & love the results they get from them.

I totally agree though it would be nice to see something different for a change.
 
T-Bone said:
Sure there are a lot of people that love yohibine and extracts. However this ingredient is notorious for causing bad side effects.
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But also for giving effective results... Hard to argue with the logic that a supp company would want to use a proven ingredient
 
I can understand the yohimbe comments. I remember the first time I added Y to an ECA stack over a decade ago. I was honestly up for 2 days after - I couldn't sleep no matter what I did. I have had similar effects when I have purchased Y and made my own capsules in the past. For some reasons, certain products with Y don't effect me as much though. I am very hesitant to OD on anything with the Y in it - it just makes me feel funny and gives me insomnia and will ruin my workouts if I take it too close before. The benefits are outweighed by the sides most of the time.

Having said that, I start slow with Alphamine and while some of that feeling is there, it is quite tolerable - even when I build up to two scoops at a time.

I am late to the game because I didn't realize this was a fat burner (something I really need) until now....I think this product will stack great with both Alphamine and AT2. I am wondering if all 3 would be an OD on the Higenamine/Yohimbe though? I actually think the AT2 may stack better with this and just throw in some forskolin and you've got a killer combo...but I don't know much.
 
HIT4ME said:
I can understand the yohimbe comments. I remember the first time I added Y to an ECA stack over a decade ago. I was honestly up for 2 days after - I couldn't sleep no matter what I did. I have had similar effects when I have purchased Y and made my own capsules in the past. For some reasons, certain products with Y don't effect me as much though. I am very hesitant to OD on anything with the Y in it - it just makes me feel funny and gives me insomnia and will ruin my workouts if I take it too close before. The benefits are outweighed by the sides most of the time.

Having said that, I start slow with Alphamine and while some of that feeling is there, it is quite tolerable - even when I build up to two scoops at a time.

I am late to the game because I didn't realize this was a fat burner (something I really need) until now....I think this product will stack great with both Alphamine and AT2. I am wondering if all 3 would be an OD on the Higenamine/Yohimbe though? I actually think the AT2 may stack better with this and just throw in some forskolin and you've got a killer combo...but I don't know much.
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You'd probably be best to pick either Alphamine or Norcodrene to run with AT2. I wouldn't combine the two at the same time unless you do something like Norcodrene AM and Alphamine later in the day or vice versa.
 
That was my thinking on it. I just did some more research on the TGR5 pathway, and now I get why you mix the yohimbine in there. The combination should be strong and effective!
 
T-Bone said:
I was hoping for something stim free. That would have been nice. What is with the current obsession with yohimbine/yohimbe extracts?. Honestly, these types of supplements would have a larger potential user base if yohimbe derivatives were excluded.
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Yohimbe has human data on fat loss.
 
T-Bone said:
Possibly. It was quite popular years ago, but then it faded away popularity wise- which I would guess was because of the well known side effects. Now it seems to be popular again. I'm just wondering what is up with its recent popularity and what seems like a "re-introduction" into the supplement market.
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Did it really fade away in popularity? I mean, Redline is practically based around yohimbine.
 
I agree that yohimbine is not the smoothest raw but it undoubtedly is the most effective otc compound at reducing fat of the love handles and lower abdomen region which are real stubborn areas.
 
This conversation is kind of a moot point anyway as we are going to have an international yohimbe free version. :)
 
I would think the yohimbine would stack well with the TGR5 agonists given the effects on brown fat, no?
 
First off, I want to give a big thanks to nattydisaster for sending me some Norcodrene to try. Awesome rep right there and I really appreciate it. Here is my honest feedback.

For anyone who knows me on these boards, I probably hate yohimbe more than anyone. I think it is the worst ingredient out there. It makes me anxious, heart beats out of my chest, cold sweats, bad nausea, kills sleep, and gives me bad headaches. The first time I took one scoop of Alphamine, I was so cracked out for 12 straight hours that I had to leave work. After, some baby steps I built up a slight tolerance and while it was definitely smoother than other forms of yohimbe, it wasn't worth it to me to take 1/8 the recommended dosage and not get the full effects of the other ingredients just to avoid yohimbe sides.

So earlier today, I took one Norcodrene pill. I worked until 4am last night and had to get back at it at 6am this morning so I definitely needed a pick me up. Ate a decent sized breakfast and took one pill about 30 minutes after.

I must say that either the Yohimbe content is less, or the other ingredients really do help with the anxiety. I did not have horrific heart racing, zero nausea which was most important, no headaches or any of that either. My appetite also was not ruined for the whole rest of the day. It definitely suppressed it, but didn't obliterate it which is a good thing to me. I still felt a tiny bit jittery and had the chills that make my hair stand up, but nothing that was ever a problem or I was distracted by. Now if I took 2 pills, it may be a different story. But considering 1 Scoop of Alphamine felt to me like what I imagined Meth would feel like, this is a big big improvement because with this I will have a much more effective dose of the other ingredients. But overall, I do not see 1 pill being a problem for anyone especially if I can handle it.

I definitely felt the thermogenic effect as well. It was about 40 degrees here today and when I got out of my truck my entire back was damp with sweat. I must add that I very rarely sweat much. I don't know why but I never really have. I could see this leaving some people pretty drenched, especially at higher doses.

Energy was great. It has been a long week and even on 2 hours of sleep I felt great. I started getting tired about 2 1/2 hours after dosing and then I feel like it kicked in again strong and I am still feeling it now about 6 hours later. With one pill I was not noticeably jittery but slightly if I focused on it, wasn't anxious, or any of that. I also was not as scatter brained as I was on Alphamine. Just focused, pleasant energy that was not overbearing.

Now as I mentioned above, this is the same Yohimbe extract as Alphamine so I am not sure if the other ingredients help smooth it out like PES is suggesting or if there is less of it. Either way I do not really care as I can handle this dosage just fine while still getting an effective dose of the other ingredients and that is what matters. Looks like a winner. For those of you sensitive to Yohimbe like me, I think it is worth a shot. I will be picking up this version as well as the international version if that says anything. For those of you who are Alphamine addicts, you will have a new addiction on your hands and I feel you will really enjoy it. I feel like 2 caps will be the sweet spot for most, with 3 pleasing major stimheads

I am going to take one cap once again and then try 2 and report back. Overall, great work and thanks again to PES and natty
 
Thanks for your review. I am glad you liked it. :)
 
CATdiesel76 said:
First off, I want to give a big thanks to nattydisaster for sending me some Norcodrene to try. Awesome rep right there and I really appreciate it. Here is my honest feedback. For anyone who knows me on these boards, I probably hate yohimbe more than anyone. I think it is the worst ingredient out there. It makes me anxious, heart beats out of my chest, cold sweats, bad nausea, kills sleep, and gives me bad headaches. The first time I took one scoop of Alphamine, I was so cracked out for 12 straight hours that I had to leave work. After, some baby steps I built up a slight tolerance and while it was definitely smoother than other forms of yohimbe, it wasn't worth it to me to take 1/8 the recommended dosage and not get the full effects of the other ingredients just to avoid yohimbe sides. So earlier today, I took one Norcodrene pill. I worked until 4am last night and had to get back at it at 6am this morning so I definitely needed a pick me up. Ate a decent sized breakfast and took one pill about 30 minutes after. I must say that either the Yohimbe content is less, or the other ingredients really do help with the anxiety. I did not have horrific heart racing, zero nausea which was most important, no headaches or any of that either. My appetite also was not ruined for the whole rest of the day. It definitely suppressed it, but didn't obliterate it which is a good thing to me. I still felt a tiny bit jittery and had the chills that make my hair stand up, but nothing that was ever a problem or I was distracted by. Now if I took 2 pills, it may be a different story. But considering 1 Scoop of Alphamine felt to me like what I imagined Meth would feel like, this is a big big improvement because with this I will have a much more effective dose of the other ingredients. But overall, I do not see 1 pill being a problem for anyone especially if I can handle it. I definitely felt the thermogenic effect as well. It was about 40 degrees here today and when I got out of my truck my entire back was damp with sweat. I must add that I very rarely sweat much. I don't know why but I never really have. I could see this leaving some people pretty drenched, especially at higher doses. Energy was great. It has been a long week and even on 2 hours of sleep I felt great. I started getting tired about 2 1/2 hours after dosing and then I feel like it kicked in again strong and I am still feeling it now about 6 hours later. With one pill I was not noticeably jittery but slightly if I focused on it, wasn't anxious, or any of that. I also was not as scatter brained as I was on Alphamine. Just focused, pleasant energy that was not overbearing. Now as I mentioned above, this is the same Yohimbe extract as Alphamine so I am not sure if the other ingredients help smooth it out like PES is suggesting or if there is less of it. Either way I do not really care as I can handle this dosage just fine while still getting an effective dose of the other ingredients and that is what matters. Looks like a winner. For those of you sensitive to Yohimbe like me, I think it is worth a shot. I will be picking up this version as well as the international version if that says anything. For those of you who are Alphamine addicts, you will have a new addiction on your hands and I feel you will really enjoy it. I feel like 2 caps will be the sweet spot for most, with 3 pleasing major stimheads I am going to take one cap once again and then try 2 and report back. Overall, great work and thanks again to PES and natty
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Great feedback. Thank you for sharing.
 
Awesome CAT, solid review...even though I have a strong dislike of Y, I had and have every intention of trying out Norc before just writing it off due to the 'y', this just seals the deal...thanks man ;)
 
Missed the insider, subscribed a little late. Still ordered two bottles anyways from the website lol had some money to spend since I didn't go all out for nutras New year's sale.
 
T-Bone said:
Enjoyed your review. Thanks. Maybe I'll try it one day, but I doubt it. I was the same way with alphamine, even at 1/4 of the dosage(weighed out) I freaked the hell out.
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I may have spoken too soon. For some reason the yohimbe sides kicked in about 6 1/2 hours after I dosed it. I have no idea why in the world it would take so long but it did. They werent horrific or anything but definitely uncomfortable. Probably going to have to wait for the international one. And I was all excited
 
CATdiesel76 said:
I may have spoken too soon. For some reason the yohimbe sides kicked in about 6 1/2 hours after I dosed it. I have no idea why in the world it would take so long but it did. They werent horrific or anything but definitely uncomfortable. Probably going to have to wait for the international one. And I was all excited
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Yeah that's a long time after.... Hope the intl version works better for you. Best of luck cat!
 
Yohimbe doesn't mean much to me tbh; it releases fatty acids but you still have to burn them lol. But the rest of the formula is what i'm interested in.
 
CATdiesel76 said:
I may have spoken too soon. For some reason the yohimbe sides kicked in about 6 1/2 hours after I dosed it. I have no idea why in the world it would take so long but it did. They werent horrific or anything but definitely uncomfortable. Probably going to have to wait for the international one. And I was all excited
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VanDahm it CAT!!! Lol...
 
CATdiesel76 said:
I may have spoken too soon. For some reason the yohimbe sides kicked in about 6 1/2 hours after I dosed it. I have no idea why in the world it would take so long but it did. They werent horrific or anything but definitely uncomfortable. Probably going to have to wait for the international one. And I was all excited
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Sorry to hear CAT
 
CATdiesel76 said:
I may have spoken too soon. For some reason the yohimbe sides kicked in about 6 1/2 hours after I dosed it. I have no idea why in the world it would take so long but it did. They werent horrific or anything but definitely uncomfortable. Probably going to have to wait for the international one. And I was all excited
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Is it even possible it was from that though? U ate during that time too, which would render it ineffective, no? But I'm sorry to hear.

On a side, if u wanna send them to me, ill cover shipping :D
 
CATdiesel76 said:
First off, I want to give a big thanks to nattydisaster for sending me some Norcodrene to try. Awesome rep right there and I really appreciate it. Here is my honest feedback. For anyone who knows me on these boards, I probably hate yohimbe more than anyone. I think it is the worst ingredient out there. It makes me anxious, heart beats out of my chest, cold sweats, bad nausea, kills sleep, and gives me bad headaches. The first time I took one scoop of Alphamine, I was so cracked out for 12 straight hours that I had to leave work. After, some baby steps I built up a slight tolerance and while it was definitely smoother than other forms of yohimbe, it wasn't worth it to me to take 1/8 the recommended dosage and not get the full effects of the other ingredients just to avoid yohimbe sides. So earlier today, I took one Norcodrene pill. I worked until 4am last night and had to get back at it at 6am this morning so I definitely needed a pick me up. Ate a decent sized breakfast and took one pill about 30 minutes after.I must say that either the Yohimbe content is less, or the other ingredients really do help with the anxiety. I did not have horrific heart racing, zero nausea which was most important, no headaches or any of that either. My appetite also was not ruined for the whole rest of the day. It definitely suppressed it, but didn't obliterate it which is a good thing to me. I still felt a tiny bit jittery and had the chills that make my hair stand up, but nothing that was ever a problem or I was distracted by. Now if I took 2 pills, it may be a different story. But considering 1 Scoop of Alphamine felt to me like what I imagined Meth would feel like, this is a big big improvement because with this I will have a much more effective dose of the other ingredients. But overall, I do not see 1 pill being a problem for anyone especially if I can handle it.I definitely felt the thermogenic effect as well. It was about 40 degrees here today and when I got out of my truck my entire back was damp with sweat. I must add that I very rarely sweat much. I don't know why but I never really have. I could see this leaving some people pretty drenched, especially at higher doses.Energy was great. It has been a long week and even on 2 hours of sleep I felt great. I started getting tired about 2 1/2 hours after dosing and then I feel like it kicked in again strong and I am still feeling it now about 6 hours later. With one pill I was not noticeably jittery but slightly if I focused on it, wasn't anxious, or any of that. I also was not as scatter brained as I was on Alphamine. Just focused, pleasant energy that was not overbearing.Now as I mentioned above, this is the same Yohimbe extract as Alphamine so I am not sure if the other ingredients help smooth it out like PES is suggesting or if there is less of it. Either way I do not really care as I can handle this dosage just fine while still getting an effective dose of the other ingredients and that is what matters. Looks like a winner. For those of you sensitive to Yohimbe like me, I think it is worth a shot. I will be picking up this version as well as the international version if that says anything. For those of you who are Alphamine addicts, you will have a new addiction on your hands and I feel you will really enjoy it. I feel like 2 caps will be the sweet spot for most, with 3 pleasing major stimheadsI am going to take one cap once again and then try 2 and report back. Overall, great work and thanks again to PES and natty
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Thanks for the review dude! This aligns with my experience. You really have to try it to understand it. It's true mood elevation, clean energy, and a ****ton of fat burning/thermogenesis
 
CATdiesel76 said:
I may have spoken too soon. For some reason the yohimbe sides kicked in about 6 1/2 hours after I dosed it. I have no idea why in the world it would take so long but it did. They werent horrific or anything but definitely uncomfortable. Probably going to have to wait for the international one. And I was all excited
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Hmm, I'm not sure that's norcodrene at that point. Did you consume any nonstims like tyrosine/dopa at any time period .
 
Jiigzz said:
Yohimbe doesn't mean much to me tbh; it releases fatty acids but you still have to burn them lol. But the rest of the formula is what i'm interested in.
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You should read coop's corner #4. There are few compounds that can take you down 2% body fat when already shredded in a matter of weeks, legal or not. Yohimbine is one of them
 
mr.cooper69 said:
You should read coop's corner #4. There are few compounds that can take you down 2% body fat when already shredded in a matter of weeks, legal or not. Yohimbine is one of them
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He was stating that you have to perform exercise after yohimbine ingestion to achieve effective fat loss. Which is the case with that soccer study as soccer players run many kms during training/games.
 
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