Patrick Arnold and Epistane

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jmh80 said:
I've got a damn bottle of Epi - I'm tired of reading dumb threads without any data.

I'll look into getting this tested myself.
Not sure if the lab I've heard in Utah can do it or not.
But - I will follow up.




I swear if I drew conclusions out of thin air and ascertained "cause and effect" relationships solely off what someone said (I don't care how experienced/smart they are - NO ONE knows everything) like this at work - y'all would seriously be hurting for gasoline up and down the east coast.
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If you are serious about testing the product, the best labs would be silliker or maxxam analytics. The problem with US labs is that they all use their own proprietary testing method which they do not disclose. The 2 mentioned labs use the acceptable and auditible method (I believe they are listed somewhere, ill try to find them) for compound determination. There could be other labs in the US that are acceptable, but these are the only 2 that i would use.
 
I would just like to thank MuscleTech for my lead splitting pipes,and OSU for Macedaddy's ego. "Ok MuscleTech I said your products rocked now where's my money"

Oh and Dr.D is my hommie,my amigo and personal(outside of the internet) friend,I know how he runs his boat,I would sail on it any day.
 
Jmh if you want to test that would be great. To all others just sit tight. This thread is filled with enough BS about the subject at hand lets not clutter it up anymore.
I know most are trying to ease some of the tension but lets please keep the NCAA tourn talk in the basketball section of the board.
 
man 5 more pages. well I wanted to just say this. I dont take sides of either peoples involved.

but I did want to mention, the other day I pm'ed Dr.D with regards to a pulse cycle layout for a havoc run I planned. I just had a few questions because im delpoying soon and what not.

after several pm exchanges not one time did dr.d ever ask me why i chose havoc over epi, nor did he suggest that i take his over havoc or vice versa. He answered my ?? that i asked him without bias

just thought id share
 
You guys want everyone to hold hands and sing. From a lot of posting experience, I can tell you, it is motivating to get involved in these types of threads. Back 3-4 years ago, some of the arguments I've had with BK/PA/Big Cat/Par/Bill L and others motivated me to push forward with new products. To get something over them so to speak. You guys may hate the drama because it fills up board space. I can assure, board fights have led to more products being released by small compaines than anything else.
 
I love how you make generalities Mike especially since some of these people have been doing it longer than you and remember you when we're crying when someone stole your first batch of 1-test.
 
I love how you make generalities Mike especially since some of these people have been doing it longer than you and remember you when we're crying when someone stole your first batch of 1-test.
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Sure some people have posted on boards longer than me. Last time I checked there aren't a whole lot of people that have posted for the length of time I have and are on the backside of the industry. It's far different seeing it from this side vs the consumer side.

At the time my 1-T was stolen, I had just been robbed after a store promo. I built everything I had/have with my money, not someone else's. At the time I had been open 6-7 months with my store front and had yet to take a check. I put everything into this stuff. My credit card was maxed out and I was going to start bouncing checks. 1-T was going for 5k a kilo at the time and I had no way of prepaying, which I needed to do at the time. Luckily Par from avant helped me out and floated me 500g until I got back on my feet and could order again.

Your post has nothing to do with what my original comment was. I was simply stating that while some people want all these companies to get along, there is a lot of motivation that comes from these "fights", so they aren't all bad things I assure you.
 
Watching yourself is the key to your transformation.
Be in a let go, allow things to happen as they come.
Use your intelligence and learn from what you watch in yourself.
That will do.

-Mi Zu-​
 
1Fast400 said:
Sure some people have posted on boards longer than me. Last time I checked there aren't a whole lot of people that have posted for the length of time I have and are on the backside of the industry. It's far different seeing it from this side vs the consumer side.

At the time my 1-T was stolen, I had just been robbed after a store promo. I built everything I had/have with my money, not someone else's. At the time I had been open 6-7 months with my store front and had yet to take a check. I put everything into this stuff. My credit card was maxed out and I was going to start bouncing checks. 1-T was going for 5k a kilo at the time and I had no way of prepaying, which I needed to do at the time. Luckily Par from avant helped me out and floated me 500g until I got back on my feet and could order again.

Your post has nothing to do with what my original comment was. I was simply stating that while some people want all these companies to get along, there is a lot of motivation that comes from these "fights", so they aren't all bad things I assure you.
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My post is simply a reflection of the fact that these are the same people that helped build your business up. Its the same type of people that bought your bulk powders when you were advertising on bb.com and taking paypal. Its the same type of people that enabled you to sell your business and reap the rewards and I think its the same people that get sick and tired of you tooting your own horn and telling then what they are and what they want.

And really, it doens't take a genius to see how the "backside" runs. Its fairly obvious to people who read between the lines.
 
that get sick and tired of you tooting your own horn and telling then what they are and what they want.
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I've called some people in this thread stupid and I maintain that belief. If they are to stupid to understand what's been posted, it's frustrating. Jay and I covered this. Where have I told people "what they want". Speaking of broad strokes, I know you love to look like the man here, but your posts make little sense in the scheme of what we're talking about.

You make me laugh bobo, always have. Seems you're holding onto a little bit of the past. I know we had our spats, that's for sure. BTW, if it is SO easy to make money and run successful companies in this industry, how come more people don't do it? I will agree with you that starting a company in this industry is easy. That making it a tad successful, paying bills/yourself, can be done. However, there is a reason there are a lot of companies under 2-3 million dollars in revenue and so few over 10 million.
 
In the United States, roughly 70% of Internet users are over the age of 30; in China, it is the other way around — 70% of users here are under 30, according to the investment bank Morgan Stanley.
 
1Fast400 said:
I've called some people in this thread stupid and I maintain that belief. If they are to stupid to understand what's been posted, it's frustrating. Jay and I covered this. Where have I told people "what they want". Speaking of broad strokes, I know you love to look like the man here, but your posts make little sense in the scheme of what we're talking about.
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Talking about holding on to the past? I don't even post much anymore Mike. I'm a bit busier than before. Being the man? Right Mike....Look in the mirror. I'm not claiming anything. I'm not claiming to "know everyone". I'm not swinging my d!ck in the wind. Will I be the man if I do?

You make me laugh bobo, always have. Seems you're holding onto a little bit of the past. I know we had our spats, that's for sure. BTW, if it is SO easy to make money and run successful companies in this industry, how come more people don't do it? I will agree with you that starting a company in this industry is easy. That making it a tad successful, paying bills/yourself, can be done. However, there is a reason there are a lot of companies under 2-3 million dollars in revenue and so few over 10 million.
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You make me laugh too. Its always funny watching someone post for the sake of trying to push some buttons. Holding on to the past Mike? I'm not the one quoting what I've done. I really don't care what you've done. You built up an Internet business then sold it. Join the club. Its a pretty popular trend.

I don't think anyone said it was easy...but some people DO benefit form being in the right place at the right time. Considering what the market was back in 1999-2001, there was a very large hole to be filled and you filled it. Others chose to go in other directions and capitalize on other trends to make their money.

You know, as with your friends, that this industry isn't a plethora of Lee Iacocca's walking around. Those people usually end up buying companies out once the grunt work is achieved. You know?
 
I didn't open an online store till 2002 :) just busting your balls. Trust me, if I wanted to "swing" my **** as you say, I'd be posting a lot more information. If you think all I've done is start an online site, you're sadly mistaken.

The past 3 days I've posted 15x more than I have since June 30th, that goes for any board anywhere (outside of a car board). I got myself involved in this situation more than I should have, but oh well. I'm at least willing to stand up for what I believe and find out if my info is right or if I'm full of crap.
 
1Fast400 said:
I know we had our spats, that's for sure.
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I honestly don't even remember having one with you. I recognized what you were first and foremost, a business man.
 
1Fast400 said:
I didn't open an online store till 2002 :) just busting your balls. Trust me, if I wanted to "swing" my **** as you say, I'd be posting a lot more information. If you think all I've done is start an online site, you're sadly mistaken.

The past 3 days I've posted 15x more than I have since June 30th, that goes for any board anywhere (outside of a car board). I got myself involved in this situation more than I should have, but oh well. I'm at least willing to stand up for what I believe and find out if my info is right or if I'm full of crap.
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Come on Mike, I figured that d!ck swinging comment would get me something ;)

I never said it wasn't the only thing but we know where you started. If you didn't diversify, you would have been an idiot.


An entrepreneur follows the trends, right Mike? ;)
 
I can't wait to write my book one day. I'll send you a copy. Then you'll understand everything that was/is going on.

I'll call it: "A prick's view, how a di ckehead made his money"
 
1Fast400 said:
I can't wait to write my book one day. I'll send you a copy. Then you'll understand everything that was/is going on.

I'll call it: "A prick's view, how a di ckehead made his money"
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You'll have one of those too?
 
I have a chapter in Bobo's book. Chapter 69 King Dingaling The D!ck Swinger.

for 69.00 plus shipping and handling you can find out more!
 
Jay like ten other people and I have proof in our email that the book your selling isn't real. Umm, I just cant post that information though. For the good of the public, that is obviously less intelligent than me I am willing to pay one million dollars and have a copy of the book tested to prove its artificiality.

Disclaimer:
I have absolutely no ties to anyone that would benifit from your book being fake.
 
I stand back and look and I see ego detromation happening here.I think 400 is having fun with his ego,nothing more,witch is understandable given his silver spoon attitude.My income is way less than his so I can not speculate on his view,but I can say it looks childish.I would like to see some good come from this thread though,in the midst of the chaos.
 
well all **** throwin aside i dont think any one here will benifit from much more said as it can only be a repeat of the 12 pages this thread has come to.... just chill let fast do his thing and as he has even said if it comes back diff then he expects then he'll be the one with egg on his face.... i think id like to offer the idea though that dr D post the standard results and his "tested results" all at the same time so even us laymans who might not understand all the p's and q's of the results will at least be able to see that 5 is not equal to 50 or 5 is equal to 5 (maybe just 4ish...ie not exactly "dead nuts on" but close).......

some explination may still be needed but im sure with the docs help and years of dumbin it down exp for the masses we can catch the just of it and then maybe a third party like the BIo Chem student who chimed in earlier can confirm that those explinations are accurate.....

i have no sides and will not speculate for anyone... i have my opinions but i think for the good of the community they better not be said and this is a failry good way of detuuring one from showing results we might not understand anyhow (how accurate or inaccurate they may be "to the bottle") once they are posted.....

good idea?
 
No posting by me for awhile. Heading to charlotte bobcats game tonight and then racing tomorrow. Keep the good fight going :) haha
 
Bobo - I'm the resident d*ckhead - ask B5150 (since you aren't around anymore) - he'll vouch for me.


rockhard_4eva said:
If you are serious about testing the product, the best labs would be silliker or maxxam analytics. The problem with US labs is that they all use their own proprietary testing method which they do not disclose. The 2 mentioned labs use the acceptable and auditible method (I believe they are listed somewhere, ill try to find them) for compound determination. There could be other labs in the US that are acceptable, but these are the only 2 that i would use.
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Yup - I'm serious. Thanks for that info - have not heard of those labs.
I wish I could use the lab equipment at work - but they really only measure octane, Reid Vapor Pressure, and sulfur levels.
(And gums - the stuff that clogs your fuel injector....)

BTW - you need that avatar you had back, man. NOW!!!!


poopypants said:
well all **** throwin aside i dont think any one here will benifit from much more said as it can only be a repeat of the 12 pages this thread has come to.... just chill let fast do his thing and as he has even said if it comes back diff then he expects then he'll be the one with egg on his face.... i think id like to offer the idea though that dr D post the standard results and his "tested results" all at the same time so even us laymans who might not understand all the p's and q's of the results will at least be able to see that 5 is not equal to 50 or 5 is equal to 5 (maybe just 4ish...ie not exactly "dead nuts on" but close).......

some explination may still be needed but im sure with the docs help and years of dumbin it down exp for the masses we can catch the just of it and then maybe a third party like the BIo Chem student who chimed in earlier can confirm that those explinations are accurate.....

i have no sides and will not speculate for anyone... i have my opinions but i think for the good of the community they better not be said and this is a failry good way of detuuring one from showing results we might not understand anyhow (how accurate or inaccurate they may be "to the bottle") once they are posted.....

good idea?
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This looks like Louisiana Cajun, so since I'm moderately familiar with this - I'll translate.
(This could also be hillbilly - I'm very fluent in that.)

Dr. D should post the standard. (Agreed.)
Jayhawkk busted a nut while reading a BioChem book and mindin' his P's and Q's - ya unna'stand???

(I think that about covers the crux of Poopy's post.)
 
Bobo said:
I honestly don't even remember having one with you. I recognized what you were first and foremost, an obnoxious prick who always, in every post never fails to belittle all people on this board while pretending to be some bigshot business man.
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Fixed ;)

See signature :D
 
now it makes sense!

1fast is MM! :jaw: he does the cut diet and then thinks he can rule the supplement industry by getting things randomly tested out of the "KINDNESS" of his heart, LOL!
 
NeoBorn, that is good stuff right there. I laughed at that one. MacDingleberry still hasn't put everything together yet. Go ask Kevin about me. Hell, you probably don't even know who kevin is.
 
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