PA vs ARA

I'm fully aware of wilson and other papers on oral PA supplementation. I was talking about those papers before this thread existed. My question was asking if anyone has looked for papers that are older that may not have identified PA as a factor related to SL supplementation.
 
young4life said:
I only use stuff like Anabeta, Amentomax, and natty products so I should be good to go?
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Yeah, I only stated what I stated as an fyi for other people whom do use PEDs.

Royd The Noyd said:
I'm fully aware of wilson and other papers on oral PA supplementation. I was talking about those papers before this thread existed. My question was asking if anyone has looked for papers that are older that may not have identified PA as a factor related to SL supplementation.
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The older papers I've looked through appeared to be mainly looking at the MOA at the cellular level for PA. I think it's a relatively new area of study looking at in vivo applications for it? So far it seems to be just viable for strength training applications as the data on sedentary people (looking into the area of a treatment for muscle wasting diseases and what not) came up as essentially ineffective.

Prior, TheScience pointed out that old school bb'ers were using soy lecithin in hopes of it being a phosph donor?
 
Royd The Noyd said:
I'm fully aware of wilson and other papers on oral PA supplementation. I was talking about those papers before this thread existed. My question was asking if anyone has looked for papers that are older that may not have identified PA as a factor related to SL supplementation.
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What they're saying (in their own adorable way) is they don't know the answer to your question
 
Royd The Noyd said:
Right but that's not true for Soy Lecithin which has been around forever. Maybe there is a 60's study showing ergogenic effect of soy lecithin that was attributed to phosphytidylserine for example.
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I think most of the research has been looking at the lecithin as a PC, PS, and phosphorus source, so indirectly there has been research using lecithin? But it appears that the trend has gone towards isolating the various phospholipids and looking at the benefits of supplementation with the phospholipids in concentrated/isolated forms.

Biggest difference these days in the research appear to be looking more into dose timing as well?
 
I started taken Lecithin in the early 80's
 
kissdadookie said:
Prior, TheScience pointed out that old school bb'ers were using soy lecithin in hopes of it being a phosph donor?
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Come to think of it, there was a recipe for a shake in The New Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding (I think that's where it was) that called for up to 2 tbsp of lecithin granules a day.
 
Grayson said:
They also used barley back then as pwo carbs.

All this sht is cyclical.
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It really does seem this way. Not to get too far off topic, but what you said makes me think about Ergonine including ferulic acid, considering that I have an old bodybuilding book from I think the late 80s that mentions gamma oryzanol as a supplement.
 
There is a source marketing 15-20% PA soy lecithin for $175 a kilo.

That's about 2x the % of PA (8% PA in the fearn brand) you would get from an equivalent serving of Fearn.

But about 17 times the price lol. I bet some company bites though.
 
what would happen if you were to take a week break off pa? how many days would u have to go back on pa before u return to your previous pa levels
 
Royd The Noyd said:
There is a source marketing 15-20% PA soy lecithin for $175 a kilo.

That's about 2x the % of PA (8% PA in the fearn brand) you would get from an equivalent serving of Fearn.

But about 17 times the price lol. I bet some company bites though.
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Chinese or American?
 
Are there any capsule options instead of granules?I have gone through 2 containers and just wondering as I see a bunch of soy lecithin in cap form.
 
jayo84 said:
Are there any capsule options instead of granules?I have gone through 2 containers and just wondering as I see a bunch of soy lecithin in cap form.
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If you want quality PA products then this is my honest opinion:

-Biotest Micro PA
-Epiq Phosphatidic Acid
-Fuel One Phospha Build

Granules are cheapest, easiest way to get high doses of PA and you get other phospholipids which have benefits
 
Danes said:
If you want quality PA products then this is my honest opinion:

-Biotest Micro PA
-Epiq Phosphatidic Acid
-Fuel One Phospha Build

Granules are cheapest, easiest way to get high doses of PA and you get other phospholipids which have benefits
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So King is no good?
 
Danes said:
If you want quality PA products then this is my honest opinion:

-Biotest Micro PA
-Epiq Phosphatidic Acid
-Fuel One Phospha Build

Granules are cheapest, easiest way to get high doses of PA and you get other phospholipids which have benefits
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I see. I was just wondering... It's just easier to down a few caps then have to make a something with all the granules.
 
jayo84 said:
I see. I was just wondering... It's just easier to down a few caps then have to make a something with all the granules.
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I use the Fearn, just chew them up. Taste Good.
 
jayo84 said:
I see. I was just wondering... It's just easier to down a few caps then have to make a something with all the granules.
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People are overcomplicating lol.
Take 2-3 Tablespoons of Granules, chew couple of sec and get it down with cold water.
It has mild nutty flavour.
The only thing i dont like with granules, after couple of months i am tired of the longlasting aftertaste
 
ma70 said:
So King is no good?
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I noticed that I had some increased fullness pretty quickly after switching back to Micro-PA after running 2 bottles of the OG King, so, either the dosing is off there or something else. Just my experience, n=1
 
kissdadookie said:
I noticed that I had some increased fullness pretty quickly after switching back to Micro-PA after running 2 bottles of the OG King, so, either the dosing is off there or something else. Just my experience, n=1
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Same here.
Swithing to Micro PA, musclefullness,apettite came back
 
Danes said:
People are overcomplicating lol.
Take 2-3 Tablespoons of Granules, chew couple of sec and get it down with cold water.
It has mild nutty flavour.
The only thing i dont like with granules, after couple of months i am tired of the longlasting aftertaste
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I just let the granules dissolve in a glass of water for a few minutes and drink it. No need to chew, no aftertaste.
 
machinehead said:
OG King kicked in for me once I double-dosed for a week before switching to Fearn. I'd rather not repurchase
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The best experience I had with PA was 2 caps of OG King + 1 tbs of Fearn.

Or it might have been 3 caps of the OG King + 1 tbs of Fearn SL
 
Anyone have any thoughts on Epiq PA ?
 
Grayson said:
I wonder if King is underdosed.

I have an additional bottle, so I might try a 1.5 dose.
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Tried doubledose of V1 And V2 . No pumps,no musclefullness,.. nothing. Went back to Micro PA and BAM! all those effects came back..
 
Yup, Epiq and the fuel:one products both use Mediator and fully dosed along with some extras. Price-wise, I haven't looked but the average price with typical discounts and what not probably brings it down to around $60, so it's priced the same (roughly) as Micro-PA but you do get an additional 8 servings out of it in comparison to Micro-PA.
 
ma70 said:
Was skeptical of epiq PA.....but I might jump on it
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What's on the label is in the bottle with that one. They tell you exactly how much actual PA you're getting. I can't speak on value though, I didn't pay for my bottles so only speaking on it in regards to efficacy. Pricing does come out to be better than Micro-PA though (if you don't stupidly pay the full retail price for it that is).
 
kissdadookie said:
What's on the label is in the bottle with that one. They tell you exactly how much actual PA you're getting. I can't speak on value though, I didn't pay for my bottles so only speaking on it in regards to efficacy. Pricing does come out to be better than Micro-PA though (if you don't stupidly pay the full retail price for it that is).
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Yeah I can't find a good place to buy it. They're all expensive as fudge.
 
ma70 said:
If only it was that easy, haha.
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Like my friend said (the one who bang many ladies).
Senad (my name), 1 of 10 girls in the pub gonna say yes if you ask them for sex. The worst thing is not asking. Lol

So dont give up. Ask them for discount;)
 
Danes said:
Like my friend said (the one who bang many ladies).
Senad (my name), 1 of 10 girls in the pub gonna say yes if you ask them for sex. The worst thing is not asking. Lol

So dont give up. Ask them for discount;)
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They only sell it at a chain store though. Those prices are pretty much set in stone. Epiq ASFAIK is exclusive to that one chain store in the US.
 
kissdadookie said:
They only sell it at a chain store though. Those prices are pretty much set in stone. Epiq ASFAIK is exclusive to that one chain store in the US.
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GNC.. Bastards
 
kissdadookie said:
^ Gave the game away. Smh :P
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sorry :x I worked there. Hate the company. Constantly had ethic issues with working there.

Don't even get me started on how most sales associates I've met at GNCs in my region are so unqualified. One told me that in order to I se tribulus is need to use fenugreek as an estrogen blocker

They sell products worth 20 bucks for 100 lol. Ripping ppl off with vitapaks since I can remember.

The fuel one PA they have there is 90 dollars. Is that prices fairly? Lol
 
Kickstart7 said:
sorry :x I worked there. Hate the company. Constantly had ethic issues with working there.

Don't even get me started on how most sales associates I've met at GNCs in my region are so unqualified. One told me that in order to I se tribulus is need to use fenugreek as an estrogen blocker

They sell products worth 20 bucks for 100 lol. Ripping ppl off with vitapaks since I can remember.

The fuel one PA they have there is 90 dollars. Is that prices fairly? Lol
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That is why you don't buy it when it costs $90. LoL.
 
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