PA vs ARA

[muscleupcrohn]

2 tbsp pre workout is what most do.
Some do 2 post workout as well but not necessary.

I'd go at least 2.5. I use 3. All pre.

 

[beef27]

I read this whole thread and nobody has asked this question......would taking protein with lecithin granules or PA be complimentary to each other?

 

[ryane87]

For those of you going over 2 tablespoons, did you start at 2 and go up or just jump right in? I ask because I wonder if the benefit is worth the extra cost. Like "I was on 2 tablespoons but I REALLY feel the benefits at 3" type of deal. I am trying to assess if I should add more.

 

[Jiigzz]

I read this whole thread and nobody has asked this question......would taking protein with lecithin granules or PA be complimentary to each other?

Yes and no.

You need protein regardless, just make sure you get in enough

 

[mase1]

Comparing the 2 is tough with x-gels for as cheap as you can get them. Take both for maybe $40/month, great deal compared to other stuff out there.

 

[beef27]

So if I combine some fearns granules with my protein it will not interfere with protein absorbtion or vice versa?

 

[ma70]

So if I combine some fearns granules with my protein it will not interfere with protein absorbtion or vice versa?

Why would it interfere with protein absorption? Dose PA/SL granules pre-workout preferably, or pre/post, or post workout and eat/drink protein whenever you want.

 

[beef27]

because i saw on other boards and posts to take this alone and I was scratching my head why because it would seem to me protein and PA would work very well together

 

[ma70]

because i saw on other boards and posts to take this alone and I was scratching my head why because it would seem to me protein and PA would work very well together

Protein stimulates mTor. PA stimulates mTor. PA stimulates mTor more than protein, and they do not have an additive effect. But if it's convenient to eat/drink protein with your granules, then do it. Don't let a supplement determine your eating schedule.

 

[DEVANS89]

I'm like one week into my second bottle of king v1, and i double dosed it for shoulders... my god they were huge.

but every workout after on 3 caps just doesn't seem to be the same now...

i might try x-gels next and see how that goes, everyone speak to highly of the x-gels/alpha max combo and its really tempting.

 

[beef27]

MA70 if that is the case it would be better not to dose with protein to get a better effect. I am not interested in convenience, but what is the most effective plan for results.

 

[WigBrah]

I read this whole thread and nobody has asked this question......would taking protein with lecithin granules or PA be complimentary to each other?

Someone posted a study in one of the PA threads. I don't have enough posts to link it, but Google "Mobley 2015 mtor" and you'll find it.

Cliff's Notes: [In rats] there is no synergistic benefit. In fact, it somewhat lessens protein synthesis.

 

[beef27]

WigBrah thanks man, that is exactly what I wanted to know

 

[rowz4broz]

question for you PA experts

Soy is estrogenic right? have any of you noticed any estrogenic sides from PA

also what are you looking for in a good PA product ?
how does this look?
Calories 100 0%
Protein 0 Gm 0%
Carbohydrate 2 Gm 0%
Fat - (% OF CALORIES 90%) 12 Gm 0%
Polyunsaturated Fat 6 Gm 0%
Linoleic Acid 4.05 Gm 0%
Linolenic Acid 520 Gm 0%
Saturated Fat 2 Gm 0%
Cholesterol - (0 MG/100 GM) 0 Mg 0%
Sodium - (30 MG/100 GM) 5 Mg 0%
Potassium - (1200 MG/100 GM) 180 Mg 0%
Vitamin A 0 0%
Vitamin C 0 0%
Thiamine 0 0%
Riboflavin 0 0%
Niacin 0 0%
Calcium 0 0%
Iron 0 0.04%
Vitamin E 0 0.08%
Phosphorus 0 0.5%
Magnesium 0 0.08%
PHOSPHATIDES 0 0.97%
Phosphatidylcholine 3520 Mg 0%
Phosphatidylethanolamine 3060 Mg 0%
Phosphatidylinositol 2140 Mg 0%
Choline 550 Mg 0%
Inositol 336 Mg 0%

 

[Danes]

question for you PA experts

Soy is estrogenic right? have any of you noticed any estrogenic sides from PA

also what are you looking for in a good PA product ?
how does this look?
Calories 100 0%
Protein 0 Gm 0%
Carbohydrate 2 Gm 0%
Fat - (% OF CALORIES 90%) 12 Gm 0%
Polyunsaturated Fat 6 Gm 0%
Linoleic Acid 4.05 Gm 0%
Linolenic Acid 520 Gm 0%
Saturated Fat 2 Gm 0%
Cholesterol - (0 MG/100 GM) 0 Mg 0%
Sodium - (30 MG/100 GM) 5 Mg 0%
Potassium - (1200 MG/100 GM) 180 Mg 0%
Vitamin A 0 0%
Vitamin C 0 0%
Thiamine 0 0%
Riboflavin 0 0%
Niacin 0 0%
Calcium 0 0%
Iron 0 0.04%
Vitamin E 0 0.08%
Phosphorus 0 0.5%
Magnesium 0 0.08%
PHOSPHATIDES 0 0.97%
Phosphatidylcholine 3520 Mg 0%
Phosphatidylethanolamine 3060 Mg 0%
Phosphatidylinositol 2140 Mg 0%
Choline 550 Mg 0%
Inositol 336 Mg 0%

1.Soy is NOT estrogenic and that is just bad myth because it contain Isoflavones.
2.PA is phospholipid and does not have ANY effect on Estrogen

 

[jathan_howe]

That^ Soy is fine

 

[rowz4broz]

What !! That's awesome news I've been misinformed for so long that soy is estrogenic.

 

[Driven2lift]

What !! That's awesome news I've been misinformed for so long that soy is estrogenic.

It kind of is, as a phytoestrogen, but doesn't really lead to estrogen issues.

It can attenuate hypertrophy though, performing more poorly than almost any other protein source.

The protein is there, aminos and EAAs, but something about soy seemingly adds limitations to muscular growth.



That is all irrelevant to this topic though, PA is not going to give these effects, and SL is effective as a PA source

 

[muscleupcrohn]

It kind of is, as a phytoestrogen, but doesn't really lead to estrogen issues.

It can attenuate hypertrophy though, performing more poorly than almost any other protein source.

The protein is there, aminos and EAAs, but something about soy seemingly adds limitations to muscular growth.



That is all irrelevant to this topic though, PA is not going to give these effects, and SL is effective as a PA source

This. It depends on the type of soy product in question, and also the amount used. It is irrelevant with soy lecithin granules though, so there's nothing to worry about here. I wouldn't rely on soy products/foods as a source of protein, or as a significant part of your regular diet, but soy lecithin granules are great.

 

[rowz4broz]

Why though is it irrelevant with the soy granules though

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Why though is it irrelevant with the soy granules though

I discussed it in detail in the massive PA thread here, let me see if I can find the post.

 

[Danes]

Why though is it irrelevant with the soy granules though

It has just trace/if any of Isoflavones which are called phytoestrogens.

 

[drejb]

Daily dose for best results with Lecethin granules?

 

[drejb]

The granules I have say take 1TBSP (6g) daily. Any ideas if I should go more?

 

[ma70]

The granules I have say take 1TBSP (6g) daily. Any ideas if I should go more?

3 scoops at least to ensure you get at least 750mg PA if you're taking Fearns.

 

[drejb]

3 scoops at least to ensure you get at least 750mg PA if you're taking Fearns.

How much is that in actual granules? It doesn't state PA content. All it says is 1 tbsp is 6 grams. Put a tbsp in my shake this morning. Maybe take 2 more before my workout with my nitrates?

 

[ma70]

How much is that in actual granules? It doesn't state PA content. All it says is 1 tbsp is 6 grams. Put a tbsp in my shake this morning. Maybe take 2 more before my workout with my nitrates?

Post up a label or link to the product.

 

[Danes]

How much is that in actual granules? It doesn't state PA content. All it says is 1 tbsp is 6 grams. Put a tbsp in my shake this morning. Maybe take 2 more before my workout with my nitrates?

Granules has 4-7% PA

 

[drejb]

I'll post a pic as soon as I get home.

 

[drejb]

Post up a label or link to the product.

 

[drejb]

Anyone know how many tbsp to take based on the above photo?

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Anyone know how many tbsp to take based on the above photo?

3tbsp (18.75g to be exact) should give you at least 750mg PA (the low end of the 4-7%).

 

[drejb]

3tbsp (18.75g to be exact) should give you at least 750mg PA (the low end of the 4-7%).

Best time to take??

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Best time to take??

Some PA studies split the 750mg into I think 450mg pre-workout and 300mg post-workout, so you could do 2tbsp pre and 1 post, or you could just do all 3tbsp pre. Some people don't mind taking it with their normal pre-workout, but it can slightly bother some people's stomach when taken on an empty stomach, so you could also take it with your pre-workout meal (preferably within 60-90 minutes or so of starting your workout). On rest days, just take them whenever, preferably with meals.

 

[deadlyzach]

Is epiq PA still being sold?

 

[toddmuelheim]

Is epiq PA still being sold?

Idk but I have quite a few bottles if you're interested. PM me

 

[deadlyzach]

Idk but I have quite a few bottles if you're interested. PM me

Wouldn't let me send a pm for some reason. But what's the dates on the bottles?

 

[toddmuelheim]

Wouldn't let me send a pm for some reason. But what's the dates on the bottles?

9/29/16

 

[deadlyzach]

9/29/16

Think it would be less effective being expired?

 

[toddmuelheim]

Think it would be less effective being expired?

It's working for me same as always

 

[Rocket3015]

Think it would be less effective being expired?

I would not worry about that little bit of time

 

[Danes]

I would not worry about that little bit of time

This!