PA vs ARA

Today started the stack ARA + SL for the very first time. 4 softgel X-factor + 20g SL Optima (2.5g PA) 45' prewo. The latter veeery delicious. Intend taking SL off days at 10g (1,2g PA). Best time of taking? And full or empty stomach?
 
Has anyone moved from PA preworkout only to PA every day and noticed significant benefits? I've been taking 6tbsp/3.6g PA Fearn preworkout only
 
ah...thought for a second maybe id been working it out wrong

sorry, cant offer any enlightenment to your question...i imagine no-one has been running it (soyl) long enough to really tell, could be wrong tho
 
Feiwong said:
Today started the stack ARA + SL for the very first time. 4 softgel X-factor + 20g SL Optima (2.5g PA) 45' prewo. The latter veeery delicious. Intend taking SL off days at 10g (1,2g PA). Best time of taking? And full or empty stomach?
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I don't think it will matter if you dose empty stomach or not on off days.
 
Anyone tried this for PA? Found it for just over $5 per bottle.


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mase1 said:
Take with fatty meal? SL is fatty enough by itself right?
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It's practically all phospholipids. I'm not sure if they equate to or provide the same caloric value in the body as other dietary fats (in other words, the usable energy it provides).
 
jgntyce said:
how would this stack be dosed throughout the day?
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ArA - 4-8 caps pre-workout days only
AnaBeta Elite - 2 caps twice per day prior to biggest meals
Soy Lecithin (PA) - 1200-2400mg pre-workout
 
Finally arrived.Going to take 6 teaspoons of Optima Soy Lechitin and let the magic happen.

From January, im probably going to be stacking ArA+PA+ABE like kbayne said - sounds tasty!
 
kbayne said:
ArA - 4-8 caps pre-workout days only
AnaBeta Elite - 2 caps twice per day prior to biggest meals
Soy Lecithin (PA) - 1200-2400mg pre-workout
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Im ordering supps in a few days... might run this exact stack. I liked the original Anabeta, havent tried Elite yet.
 
lol thanks dane....hoppin on the train too....ordered fearn SL today.....should be here while i still have half a bottle of x gels left....plan on staying on the SL year round....then alternating myosynergy/ara/forskolin with it...... destination gain train ayyyyy
 
according to the GNC bottle, SL provides dietary liver support. Any thoughts on this while on a PH cycle?
 
jgntyce said:
according to the GNC bottle, SL provides dietary liver support. Any thoughts on this while on a PH cycle?
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Definitely stick to the liver support supplements, but it may be a nice addition to a ph cycle for the muscle fullness effects.
 
So does SL give a perpetual pump? If so, do you have to take it in divided doses, or will you stay full and pumped all day with the whole dose in the am?
 
kissdadookie said:
It's not a pump per se, but it does provide fuller muscles.
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Oh ok. And once a day dosing or even dosing just on workout days is enough to maintain the muscle fullness? I just bought some of the fearn SL last night at my local sprouts, and im really interested to see how this works for me.
 
anabolix said:
Oh ok. And once a day dosing or even dosing just on workout days is enough to maintain the muscle fullness? I just bought some of the fearn SL last night at my local sprouts, and im really interested to see how this works for me.
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It's so cheap, just use it every day. Keep it simple.
 
I definitely feel fuller throughout the day and on non-training days. I got my SL from Swansons for $8/lb with free shipping . . . stocked up :)
 
1kerry said:
I feel like it diminishes my stim supps…but maybe its just me
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hmmm...if it were me Id try everything in order to get my soy-l dose in prewo (dosing 90min pre, 60min pre, straight after drinking prewo, etc etc)...there are strong arguments for dosing soyl just as one would ara (so ideally 40min or so prewo)
 
Well the literature says PA blood levels rise in 30 min, plateau between 1-3 hours, and peak at 3 hours post consumption, so the timing seems quite flexible
 
kdubson14 said:
Well the literature says PA blood levels rise in 30 min, plateau between 1-3 hours, and peak at 3 hours post consumption, so the timing seems quite flexible
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It is, no-one is saying dosing *must* be confined to X-time.

But, depending on what 'theory' you subscribe to regarding the MoA of PA, there can certainly be dosing times that are more (or less) optimal than others.

For example, if one believes the intra-cellular theory is correct, then one may well claim that the plasma levels you mention above are somewhat irrelevant if the main aim is to maximise skeletal muscle uptake, and as such plasma levels at all the time intervals mentioned may not be a reliable measure of such uptake (or something to that effect).

cliffs: if you want to maximise muscular uptake of PA, dose prewo
 
NewAgeMayan said:
It is, no-one is saying dosing *must* be confined to X-time.

But, depending on what 'theory' you subscribe to regarding the MoA of PA, there can certainly be dosing times that are more (or less) optimal than others.

For example, if one believes the intra-cellular theory is correct, then one may well claim that the plasma levels you mention above are somewhat irrelevant if the main aim is to maximise skeletal muscle uptake, and as such plasma levels at all the time intervals mentioned may not be a reliable measure of such uptake (or something to that effect).

cliffs: if you want to maximise muscular uptake of PA, dose prewo
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Yes, my mention of the plasma levels was meant to reinforce dosing 30-60 min preworkout and having a workout that falls within the 1-3+ hour post consumption time frame to maximize muscle cell uptake.
 
What about ara pre workout and PA (soy lecithin granules) with post workout meal or pre bed? I train fasted so I'm wary of consuming the 8-10g of fat from the granules
 
chedapalooza said:
What about ara pre workout and PA (soy lecithin granules) with post workout meal or pre bed? I train fasted so I'm wary of consuming the 8-10g of fat from the granules
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Why would you be concerned with this? Isn't fasted training just aimed at having low serum insulin levels?
 
i would think the benefits of dosing soyl prewo with your ara would outweigh any negatives...in fact, im a little unsure what the negative here is?
 
chedapalooza said:
What about ara pre workout and PA (soy lecithin granules) with post workout meal or pre bed? I train fasted so I'm wary of consuming the 8-10g of fat from the granules
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ArA and PA (soy lecithin granules) goes hand in hand!
Soy lecithin is a emulsifier and would be beneficial for absorption of the ArA if taking same time as ArA.

It seems like people are overthinking when it comes to suppmements ? :D
 
Cooper said that timing wouldn't matter for the most part and the authors of the study said that it stimulates protein synthesis when taken with a meal so if you don't want to take it pre you could always just try taking it post and/or with meals
 
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