Oxyelite Pro Super Thermo Dietary! With DMAA or Without?

[needspractice]

I have read many reviews saying some people have not noticea difference between the Purple Cap and the White Cap.

Cap – Purple: New formula without DMAA
Cap – White: Original formula with DMAA

I have also read reviews of people swearing that it is aHUGE difference between the two. That they will not order or use the Purple Capversion and find the original version with Cap and order that because it’s a massivedifference and they love it.

My question is should I even bother with the Purple Cap orjust go straight to the White Cap and do the exact recommend dosage. You hearabout a few people getting sick and dying; but just like anything if you abuseit; you suffer the consequences.

Anyone knows the hardcore difference and can comment onthis? Feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Best,
Needspractice

 

[carpee]

the purple top/non dmaa version performs just as well as the original...but the stim feeling is going to be different. the hardcore stim guys want the dmaa feeling, while many do not.

the dmaa version is discontinued, so unless you have some its going to be harder and harder to find.

 

[bdcc]

Fellow Carpenter. Send me the new version please. I want to test the competition!

 

[needspractice]

I think what I decided to do is order the Purple Cap one try it out and see how it works for me; if it is not strong enough Ill go for the DMAA version next time.

 

[needspractice]

I got two bottles of white cap DMAA versions and can't wait to take it after I'm done with my PCT!

 

[bdcc]

There is a potential issue with this line of thinking and that is that energy equals fat loss.

DMAA products are notorious for energy release but this doesn't automatically mean it is better for fat burning.

I haven't tried the new OEP (capsules or powder) so I am not comparing formulas, just making an observation as so many people correlate energy and fat loss.

 

[needspractice]

Well I have read a ton of great reviews of Oxy Elite Pro? Do you not think this is a great fat burning supplement?

 

[carpee]

Well I have read a ton of great reviews of Oxy Elite Pro? Do you not think this is a great fat burning supplement?

it's one of the most reputable thermos in the industry and the DMAA version is being phased out.

I recommend the OEP Powder.

 

[needspractice]

Powder way better? Better absorption?

 

[Distilled Water]

it's one of the most reputable thermos in the industry and the DMAA version is being phased out.

I recommend the OEP Powder.

The powder hits me hard and fast. I've used the purple top as well.

The OxyElite Pro Thermo powder is becoming very popular & allows you to play with your doses a little easier than pill versions.

 

[Distilled Water]

You could try both the purple top and powder while picking up some other goodies at a phenomenal price

 

[needspractice]

They have DMAA version of powder?

 

[bdcc]

No, DMAA is being phased out and their OEP powder is new.

 

[needspractice]

@bdcc

Well I have two bottles of the White Cap DMAA versions atthe moment. I cant wait to try that stuff. I will use that first then switch towhatever after that!

 

[carpee]

@bdcc

Well I have two bottles of the White Cap DMAA versions atthe moment. I cant wait to try that stuff. I will use that first then switch towhatever after that!

make sure you are cycling off properly.

8 weeks on stimulants with at least 4 weeks off before starting another stim product.

 

[needspractice]

carpee

Aw good point; so you mean wait 4 weeks after PCT then start DMAA product because I do not want to be continuously on some kind of stimulant?

Thanks a million man!

 

[JudoJosh]

There is a potential issue with this line of thinking and that is that energy equals fat loss.

DMAA products are notorious for energy release but this doesn't automatically mean it is better for fat burning.

I haven't tried the new OEP (capsules or powder) so I am not comparing formulas, just making an observation as so many people correlate energy and fat loss.

Absolutely correct. In matter of fact I just finishwd reading a thread here where a guy bumped his ECA amount to 50/300 because he couldnt "feel" it anymore at 25/200

 

[bdcc]

50/300 TID?!

 

[JudoJosh]

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=171351

 

[classic34]

I prefer the NF formula (DMAA free). I'm totally cool with falling into the "little girl" category.

The powder hits me hard and fast. I've used the purple top as well. The OxyElite Pro Thermo powder is becoming very popular & allows you to play with your doses a little easier than pill versions.

^Yup. OxyELITE Pro® powder > all. I'm in love with the stuff!

 

[needspractice]

@JudoJosh

His ECA? 25/200? What does that mean?

Was he just using to much and not taking breaks?

@classic34

So you use the DMAA free version; the powder? I will definitelyhave to check in on that stuff.

Little Girl category? LOL! I know right!

I have a purple bottle and two white bottles! So when I getdone with all that stuff Ill switch to powder. Thank You!

 

[needspractice]

@Everyone

Also here is a picture of my sorry ass; which I was a lotbigger like the guys at the gym. I just do not think I have the bodycomposition for it. I use to be a bean pole and way skinnier than this beforePH’s and working out 24/7.

 

[classic34]

@JudoJosh

His ECA? 25/200? What does that mean?

Was he just using to much and not taking breaks?

@classic34

So you use the DMAA free version; the powder? I will definitelyhave to check in on that stuff.

Little Girl category? LOL! I know right!

I have a purple bottle and two white bottles! So when I getdone with all that stuff Ill switch to powder. Thank You!

Both the NF version and the powder are DMAA-free. Only OxyELITE Pro® original contains DMAA. The powder is my favorite for sure, but you really can't go wrong with any of the three formulas.

 

[needspractice]

@Everyone

JUST FYI! I have printed out all of these comments and willbe studying everyone’s input carefully. I am currently back in college and havea 4.0 GPA. I might have acted ignorant sometimes; but that is only because I amfrustrated with this whole process. What I have learned though; that it isgoing to take years.

Learned:

1. I need a core Natural base
2. I need to EAT more than anyone can imagine
3. I need to Train like never before
4. I need WILL and DEDICATION
5. I need HEART

I really and sincerely appreciate everyone’s comments; andlook forward into keeping in contact with some of you because you have been sovery helpful. I will be working on my natural core and when I graduated fromthat I will be ready to move on to the next level. I will be doing extensiveresearch in the meantime.

Thank you so much for all over your support; and please ifyou have last minute advice on my journey please do not hesitate to leave auplifting comment.

Best,
needspractice

 

[classic34]

@EveryoneJUST FYI! I have printed out all of these comments and willbe studying everyone’s input carefully. I am currently back in college and havea 4.0 GPA. I might have acted ignorant sometimes; but that is only because I amfrustrated with this whole process. What I have learned though; that it isgoing to take years. Learned:1. I need a core Natural base2. I need to EAT more than anyone can imagine3. I need to Train like never before4. I need WILL and DEDICATION 5. I need HEARTI really and sincerely appreciate everyone’s comments; andlook forward into keeping in contact with some of you because you have been sovery helpful. I will be working on my natural core and when I graduated fromthat I will be ready to move on to the next level. I will be doing extensiveresearch in the meantime.Thank you so much for all over your support; and please ifyou have last minute advice on my journey please do not hesitate to leave auplifting comment.Best,needspractice

Haha don't worry. I doubt anyone was judging your mental acuity based on your physique or supplementation. Do you have a log on here needspractice? If not you might want to consider starting one up. They're a great way to get feedback and document your progress.

 

[needspractice]

[UPDATE] – AND I NEED YOUR HELP!

Ok. So I took Super DMZ 2.0 with LMG. Man do I feel messed up at the moment. I do not know what is going on with myself. I have had several problems and I am not sure what it is. I will list a few to see what you guys think.

1. After a few weeks off I hit the GYM a little bit and had almost whole body muscle cramps that were severe I mean to the point where I had to take an ICE bath; muscle relaxer bath; put soothing lotion on my muscles; and take Tylenol or Ibuprofen.
2. Joints and arms hurt; mainly in my wrist and elbows but sometimes in my back. I think mainly in my wrist and elbows because of my video game addiction problem in the past but just seems to have gotten worse; and from my back from starting to play golf a lot; I have been swinging hard and often.
3. I think I do have a form of IBS though that is always at bay; hasn’t acted up in a while but thought I would just note that.
4. One thing I did want to mention is that I think I severely over trained. I do remember being on SDZ and my arms feeling like they were going to explode. I work out some of my body way to hard and did not spread works out around to different muscle groups like I should of. I latterly had to stop working out my arms because I could barely move them they felt so thick.
5. I have been taking pro-hormones off and on for years since like 25. I am wondering if I did any major damage to myself? I do not notice anything major; just the fact that for example my color bone hurts always when I do dips. Like my bones are not strong enough to hold my upper body. I did have a bird chest growing up for the longest time and even my dad made fun of me. That is why I worked out so hard for so long. I was naturally around 135 lbs. and now I can’t get under 185 lbs. I am just wondering if I am bigger than my bones can support; and if I am how do I fix this because I think I am all muscle and can’t lose the weight?
6. Even joints in my hands; fingers; and right toe and foot seem to easily hurt. I thought I might have some kind of rudimentary arthritis but I told the Doctor what I thought I had and when he did blood work he said that they didn’t find anything.
7. When I had it bad the muscle jerks at night I had heat flashes and sometimes sweating but I do not have any of that now; the only thing I have now is muscle twitching at night if it happens. I really feel like I damaged some nerves somewhere and they need some time to heal. My question is how long does it take or do nerves even heal if you have overtrained for like a couple of years?
8. [MAIN PROBLEM] Sleeping. This goes off and on it is so weird. I get these weird muscle twitches like jerks that only happen when I’m trying to go to sleep. It will come and go; like one time it lasted for a week and I went to the Doctor and had blood work done and he said everything was fine; and it finally went a way for a while. Then like a month later or sooner it will pop in and hit me again and mess up my whole sleep schedule and I can’t sleep at all. Then after a few days it goes away. I do not think I proper PCT at all for this cycle and I am afraid that I messed something up. There was one time however that it was acting up and I started talking Revolution PCT and it fixed it. Then just last night I took Revolution PCT; Pure TEST; Cycle Assists and 300 MG of Magnesium; and it happened again. I also worked out very mildly a couple hours before bed and half a beer only early that day. I haven’t been drinking at all. When I wake up I feel great; walk around no problem; go to school; nothing noticeable. My elbows feel a little wore out and so do my wrists; but that’s it.

Guys I could really use your help. I have really bad health insurance. I can go to the Doctor up to 5 times per year and only up to 500 dollars per visit. I already used two for my foot and one for the blood test. I do not know what to do? I have never had this sleeping problem before when taking pro hormones. I do not know if it is Super DMZ or just finally all these pro hormones finally caught up to me. Is this healable or has anyone else had this problem?

*I did take some OxyElite the DMAA version for a while and did not like that. Maybe a couple of weeks.

Here is what I am taking off and on trying to figure out the right dose to give me sleep:

Finaflex PureTest
Finaflex Revolution PCT
Tribulus Raw Power
Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Assist
Natural Vitality Natural Calm [Been taking this every night]

Sometimes I take at random times:

Osteo Bi-Flex [I think this one could be a problem]
GNC Maximum Greens
Flintstone Vitamins
Equate One Daily Men’s
Equate Calcium 500+D
Echinacea
Vitamin C 1000MG

Thinking about taking to see if it helps:

Phenibut
Lift Mode 5HTP

I know that some of you guys are going to say that you are on too much stuff. Well sometimes I come completely off of everything for like a couple of months and eventually the sleep muscle twitches come back. The only other thing I can think of is that I have very low testosterone at the moment. Last time I had trouble sleeping I took Revolution PCT and Magnesium and I sleep like a baby for a long time.

The only other trigger could be

Gold Standard Whey and the amino acids in it. I had a small protein shake before I went to bed a few hours earlier and had a huge dinner. O wait that might have a problem as well. I had dinner at like 9:00 PM and went to be at 10. But how could that cause muscle twitching.

Also my dad says he only need about 5-6 hours of sleep. I could be over sleeping. I try to get 9 to 12.

Also I think I might have some anxiety because I am use to making six figures and working 12 hours a day. I did that for 10 years of my life. Now I am a poor college student which my wife takes care of me. I wonder if this could be psychology as well.

There was a time when I had Amino Acids 2222 and Gold standard Whey Protein that was expired and the lid was not sealed tight. I had they for a little while; wonder if my body had toxic amino acids for a while and now reacts to them?

Well I slept great for the past few weeks. The only thing I did different was work out a little late by very easily; not hard. Eat a late dinner. Had a half of a beer; and maybe mix cycle assist with Revolution PCT and pure test before I went to bed. And had a small protein shake before dinner.

Also do you think I could have over trained because my body just feels like it needs a lot of rest? I worked out tri-ceps like a week and a half ago mildly and they still hurt today; pretty bad. I think I need a long break. And if I do need a long break how do I work out so I don’t lose everything even though I am injured. I just feel like a lot of my muscle are injured.

Summary Questions:

1. I know this is a lot. I was just hoping someone could shed some light on all of this.
2. Please advise me on what to do or if there is anything I can do.
3. Also I do not have very good insurance pretty much if any so I am relying on you guys.
4. Please help me.

Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. I hope you have a wonderful day. Please help!

Best,
Needspractice

 

[longhornsp]

Holy wall of text.


All I saw was SDZ.

 

[needspractice]

Can you help me?

 

[needspractice]

UPDATE:

Ok I might have found something. Last night my head was raised and I was not flat on my back. When I got flat on my back the spasms went away. Right now I just got home from hitting some golf balls real hard and my middle back start to hurt I think from straining. I went to start taking a nap and of course I felt some spasms. I had a pillow under my head and was lifted up. When I took the pillow away and lay flat they subsided I believe.

I wonder if I have injured a nerve or have a pinched nerve or something. I do not have major pain when normal walking or hanging around; but if I hit a couple of large buckets of golf balls pretty hard I have some major pain in my rear center back.

I wonder since my joints have been all sucked up and dry and I did not do a proper PCT I am feeling all sore and weak.

 

[Profion]

I tried the orignial and i must say that it actually worked! Now many times supplements claim this or that, but this was diffently one of the supplements that really did do something!

I used it because i wanted to lose some fat.
1- when i took it, i almost had crazy amounts of energy to the point of anxiety or overstimmed
2- I would sweat like a pig within 30minuts of doing nothing, just the pill working.
3- Body tempreture might have rosen alittle, sweat <-
4- I had to discontinue, the effects were so pronounced that i had no chance to sit in a class or home while watching TV thats how sweatty and Jigged out i was.

so it Works... the orignal, i havent yet tried the new nor shall i.

Ive found DS lean xtreme to Work extremely good! waking earlier, lower cortisol, and over all the best fat burner ive tried! lost alot of fat off my tommy.

 

[Profion]

forgot to say, that i also felt alittle weakness while using it! as if the energy that came with would drain me, and leave me all sleepy as ****...

 

[Profion]

Now i have to be real uptight... im sorry.

Pro-hormones are junk, they are meds that are illegaly put into the supplement industry and sold to kids that are under aged.. Alot of the times we see stuff like epistane, a former breast cancer drug that failed in China.. Now people are fuking taking it for its lean gains 0.3kg over 6weeks ? WTF

Theres a life besides lifting weights and that life is far more important to imbrace, as with anything get the best out of it. I do all kinds of sports, because i find that they are making me a better person! A person that i can show off out side the gym, wether it be to help some one, to educate, or even to socialise. I have found my self trough the gym, and it has now become my lifestyle "Im earning Money on it now" and will further educate my self in the future.

I will admit using steroids one time in my life, and to be honest the mass gains and strength gains that came with it were nothing near as being natural. What i mean is, they might have gotten me bigger faster but there did follow some severe effects with it too! I for example colapsed in the middle of a class, and was rushed to the hospital, i had extreme anxiety, and so on... Thing is, that when taking medicine or anything look alike our bodies are out of their balance.

Our mind and body are connected in many ways, and often you will find your self being in a bad mood when something Hurts, or when you have some troubles with economics you might sleep bad and even lose strength. As humans we are way more complicated then we think, and sience today has looked away from spirutality and metal toughness and has embraced meds,supps,cigarets,alcohol,drugs... dont get me wrong on this one Guys

What im saying is, i would advise you to lay down all the crap your taking. Then see a doctor and get a full scan, that means a scanning of your Heart, T/E ratio... And finaly you have to find your self again, some way along your weightlifing experience you might have lost your self... thats when u began embracing the usage of prohomrones and became addicted to that personality, you might even assosiate your intire life with weights n prohormones wich is bad.

Burn every supplement you have, take 1-3month of the gym, eat and socialize as you wish! And most imporantly get out in nature, bike some were sit down and enjoy, philosofy, think, sleep and dream. Familie and friends, even Holiday! What im trying to say it, lay all the **** a side, and look into your self. When your mind is clear, your body will become. Thats when you should be back in the gym.

 

[Profion]

*********I get these weird muscle twitches like jerks that only happen when I’m trying to go to sleep. It will come and go; like one time it lasted for a week and I went to the Doctor and had blood work done and he said everything was fine; and it finally went a way for a while

Sleep 101: Profion Yogi.
Since we have evolved as animals, we have evolved into being creatures of mind. Humans are still animals and we have to accept that, but now adays our toughts are running on full power... Alot of people Arent finding time to just sit down and do nothing, but are constantly thinking about Money,children,school,homework,socialproblems,checks,cars,ensurance,illness and so on.. All these problems are something that we as humans have created, and they are constantly running in our heads whether you think of it or not. A thought has the ability to have fysical effects, anger creates tense muscles and adrenalin kicks.. Sometimes people have a hard time falling a sleep, and idd have to say that it might have something to do with their lifestyles.

You might feel tired, and you might fall a sleep... but suddenly a twicht woke you up, you try to fall a sleep but you cant. This could easily be due to you have anxious feelings about your Health! It could be a sign of your body telling you to do something about it,
You went to the doctor and suddenly without him doing anything, you could sleep fine for sometime...

Alot of people practise yoga and mindfullness to understand themsleves and their thoughts, even their bodies reactions..

 

[needspractice]

Profion

DAMN! THANK YOU!

 

[needspractice]

[UPDATE]

I just had a great night sleep again; no problems. I used no pillow and put muscle relaxer cream on my back. The only thing I took was Natural Calm Magnesium Supplement before bed. I really feel it has something to do with a sore back; nothing major just need rest. I hope this is the case but I could be wrong.

Also here are my labs.

 

[needspractice]

[UPDATE]

I got another great night sleep! Not sure why but something is working! YEA!

 

[needspractice]

Morning Back Pain – Should I Spend Money?

Hello Everyone,

I know there is so much out there on back pain; but I have a tough money question. I am a returning college student with not a whole lot of money. I am 33 year old male is I would say good shape. I work out decently and have a nice physique.

My problem is that one time I went to a golf pro shop and spent 4 hours smacking the golf ball as hard as I could almost too where I had a small pain in my chest and it was hard to breathe for a split second. And if I couldn’t get more stupid I went the next day and did it again. I had to choose a golf club for a class so that is why I pushed myself. I know that was kind of stupid.

After like a month I thought I healed up and then went and played Disc Golf and threw the Disc as hard as I possibly could for like 3 hours. I would throw it farther than anyone else. I guess I could have been showing off like an idiot.

Well I was working out moderately hard for a while in the gym during all this and never felt any burst of pain really. The only thing that I noticed was a small pinch like pain when I would be watching TV. So then I decided to go to a Chiropractor and he solved that but he noticed that my spine was just slight to the right and my shoulders were a little uneven; but absolutely nothing major going on. This was the first time I ever went to a Chiropractor and it was literally insane. I thought he was going to kill me because I never heard my bones crack like that before and my neck.

I think it might have been a littler before the Chiropractor that only in the morning when I wake up I would notice a pain right in the middle of my upper back between my shoulder blades; one time the pain moved to the right of my shoulder blade but that went away. Now all that is left is this ongoing pain in the middle of my back that I cannot for the life of me locate. It’s like it’s the long muscle in my back that go from top to bottom of your back and very close to my spine. I would say mid shoulder to mid back but not upper shoulder or lower back.

It is so weird because during the day I feel absolutely great with no back pain at all; even playing Disc Golf or exercising; it is only right after I wake up and while I am still laying down. Pretty much as soon as I wake up everything is fantastic.

Only other weird thing is I feel like my ear is ringing on my right ear when I sleep on my right side. This also goes away completely when I get up or move around.

Doctor’s Office:

I have been to my Doctor several times with this. I have had several X-Rays; nothing bruised on my skin or anything obvious; blood work done for immune system and anything out of the ordinary. I have taken muscle relaxers and anti-inflammatory’s but they are all temporary relief. Seems like the pain comes back. My Doctor is just saying it is like a pulled or sore muscle or something but just seems strange that something so small could cause so much discomfort in the morning.

Solutions:

My dad has celiac disease but I do not but I read an article about how maybe you could not have the disease but a precursor of it somehow. I do have a lot of joint pain right now like in my Big Toe; Wrist; Neck and sometimes elbow. I have had all these X-Rayed and blood work done to see any causes and nothing major is going on.

Here is the Article excerpt:

Remove gluten from your diet. Recent studies have shown that some people may have non-celiac disease gluten sensitivity and if so, that may trigger a systemic immune response which can keep joints irritated. This wasn’t too challenging for me since I already didn’t eat breads, pastas, refined grains in general but gluten, as you may know, is in a LOT of foods – like beef jerky for one. Remove gluten for thirty days and pay attention to how you feel. For me, it helped. If after thirty days you feel better then you can always titrate some back into your diet to find your threshold if you want to.

I am lost at this point:

My main question is that do I put spend money I really do not have on a new bed and pillow with a mattress topper or am I just getting old and have to deal with an aching back and joint pain. Or could I possibly change my diet to a gluten free diet which will be like darn like impossible.

I have heard from people’s reviews that they have had much success in changing out the mattress. And I am not even sure where the one that I am sleeping on came from. It’s a Cali-King and seems nice but a little old.

I have great Health Insurance. It just doesn’t seem like the Doctors have the answers except Med up or go to a PT. I wish there was more information out there on this.

Solutions:

1. Change Mattress
2. Change Pillow
3. Change Mattress Topper
4. Gluten Free Diet
5. Deal with it because you are getting older … Its life …

Anything help would be greatly appreciated. Please leave your comments below. Thank You!




Update:

Last night I was able to get 9 hours of sleep somehow. I did wake up at exactly 2:30 A.M. which happens a lot because I think my body clock is off with all of this going on but I was able to go back to bed and I woke up at 9:00 A.M. after going to bed at 12:00 A.M.

The difference this time was that we actually found a full body pillow that was in a bag somewhere from a long time ago. The one that literally wraps all around you. I used that last night and I think the difference was I did not sleep on my stomach and I did not toss and turn. Only around 9:00 did my back start to ache a little bit and force me out of bed and I began to toss and turn around the same time as well.

I wanted to know exactly where the pain is coming from because it feels like sometimes it could be coming from my Spine or right rib or muscles near my spine. It is so hard to find exactly where.

I have a FOAM roller which I get on sometimes to gauge where the pain is coming from. I did it a little differently this time.

I put the edge of the FOAM roller in the middle of my back where the pain is and let my butt down and my chest arch up. I would definitely say this helped me isolated the pain to about 4 to 7 inches right along my spine. I could definitely feel the pain in the morning when I do this. I will move like an inch up or down and see if the pain is focused in that area. I would say when I get to my upper shoulders and neck there is zero pain and when I get to my lower back there is zero pain. It only seems to originate like to the top half of my back; like my back is too heavy for itself or something. Or it seems like a computer sitting down problem like I am arched or something over something for a long period and my back is just fed up with all of this. Also the sports injuries probably put it over the top I think.

All I know is that the pain seems to be coming from the Spine or the muscles directly around the spine; but I think it’s the spine. I am almost thinking that whatever the Chiropractor did actually made things worse but I could be wrong. I never heard that kind of cracking before. It’s about a 4 – 7 inch radio directly up and down when I get on the foam roller and it does hurt; but only in the morning or if I get on the foam roller in that exact position. As I am typing this there is no pain in my back.

Just wanted to update everyone. I hope someone knows what this is. I will be going to an orthopedic doctor soon but I am guessing that he will not be able to conclude anything either. Just seems sad.

Please comment with any help or guidance.




I have an appointment set up with a orthopedic surgeon who specializes in sports injuries. I believe this all started from driving the golf ball to hard; and playing Disc Golf to hard.

The strangest thing is why is the pain isolated to after I sleep for a while and I do not feel a thing while moving around or sitting down. Just like this morning I felt the pain in my middle back during the wake up process. Soon as I got up and started moving around it was gone. I did again get on the foam roller on the edge long side not rolling it just dipping my back over one side of the end and I could isolate the pain. I am guessing that my back is somehow compressed by my ribs or the way I am sleeping and my back is getting pressure over night for hours at a time.

My only confusion is that why is this happening to me at 33? I would think this would be normal at 63. I mean its not like I could of injured myself this hard. It's not like I dropped a refrigerator on my back or played football, or did something so bad that its like yea your hurt. I mean this is just weird.

Is 30+ the age you start getting aches and pains?
Will this heal?
Is there a serious back brace I can wear while I am sleeping so no compression happens while I sleep?
I fear when I go to the Doctor he will not succeed in helping me but I hope so.
Any other ideas?




911! Please Help!

This is so weird. Seems like some nights I have great sleep with no morning pain and some nights I do. This morning being one of them.

Basically in the morning I just feel this mild pain in my back right in the middle. And when I get up it goes away. However I have noticed that if I lean back in a hard chair like kind of bend over it backwards I can feel the soreness in my spine or muscles right in the middle where my back curves over the chair.

Also I did the FOAM roller again and put my back on the tough edge on my back and could feel the soreness right on my spine or muscles next to my spine.

I am beginning to think it is my spine.

I have an apt. with an orthopedic doctor on the 27th of March.

I still have yet to find a Physical Therapist; I will be doing that as soon as possible.

Can anyone please help with this? I think I have had this pain for 6 months to a year. I think it started from a golfing or disc golf injury. Is this something I will have to deal with for the rest of my life or will it ever heal?

I do not remember ever majoring injury my back; it’s not like I broke it or anything…

Anyone have any ideas?

Update! Good and Bad News!

Ok I slept decent last night.

The one thing I did different was that I used a TENS unit for two separate 15 minute sessions.

My wife located the spots on my back right near my spine but sometimes I swear the spots are right on my spine. She put her elbow on my back while I was lying down. It is in the same middle part of my back and I can feel it if I lean back and over a chair like I am stretching only if I am having an ache day.

Anyhow after locating the spot again with my wife and the foam roller before I went to bed and while watching a show I did the TENS unit for 15 minutes and then readjusted the placement and did it another 15 minutes and there was no morning pain.

I learned this technique from the Chiropractor because that is what they used on me. The just did it during the day and not at night. I have several TENS units because I hurt myself a long time ago and bought like 4 or 5 of them.

My wife says it’s deep in my muscle because she cannot just get at it it’s like she has to press really hard.

The only thing that freaked me out was that I have two like bruises on my back. I worked out decently hard at the gym doing a lot of chest exercises on the bench. I don’t ever recalling being easily bruised by working out at the gym. The bruises are not black or blue or yellow or anything just like rub brownish marks from the bench rubbing.

I am just concerned because why are my ribs aching; back hurting and my back is easily bruising?

I mean if this is what getting old is all about this sucks.

I have an appointment with my primary doctor today at 2:00 and an sports orthopedic doctor later this month. I still have yet to line up a Physical therapist but I will do that asap.

I have not work out chest probably decently since my suppose injury last august but still I would think I would not bruise that easily. Also why am I so weak? I mean I can lift normal things like groceries and stuff but benching pressing is like really hard for me. It has always been hard but I just seem a lot weaker.


To tell you the truth I think a lot of this is in my head. I just do not know what to do. I wish I could just move on with my life and live it like I use to never looking back! I use to do some much fun things and now I feel like I worry to much.

Help!

Sleep Has Been Destroyed! Pain: Sub Conscious? Anxiety?

For the past 6 months my sleep routine has been destroyed. The only thing that I can think of is when I started having back pain only while sleeping. I have no back pain when walking around doing stuff but only in the morning when I wake up. Once every few days or weeks it seems like a can get a full night sleep in I am lucky but lately it has been where I wake up at 2:00 then 4:00 then 6:00 and then finally 8:00 or 9:00. Seems like I sleep a little better right at the end because I am probably exhausted from all the stress of trying to go to sleep.

History:

A year and a half ago a played around with some GNC products like pro-hormones and stuff and worked out a lot. Been off of that for a while now. I worked out pretty hard. After coming off of that I use to jerk when falling asleep and freaked out. Thought I had something major but probably my muscles where just coming off of exhaustion. Went to the Doctors and had blood work done and he check me out and gave me a physical and said everything was fine.

About nine months ago I needed a club to play golf so I went to golf pro shop and swung a club for 4 hours straight and I believe hurt my back. I swung pretty hard for a while. And believe it or not I did it the next day as well; to the point where I had a hard time breathing for a second. I know I am an idiot. I stopped everything and chilled. Maybe only driving range stuff after that.

Relaxed for a while then played Disc Golf and threw the Disc as hard as I possible could about six months ago. Played for about 4 hours throwing the disc incredibly hard. Idiot again.

Penalties:

Well low and behold now I am having back problems only when I sleep and in the morning. But it seems more than that. I do not know if I created a mental loop in my mind but I cannot get a decent nights rest.

I have gone to the Doctor again and have had multiple x-rays done and bloods tests taken. Everything came back fine.

The pain is only in the morning and there is zero pain during the day.

Here is an excerpt of a back pain post that I created to fill you in.

Morning Back Pain – Should I Spend Money?

Hello Everyone,

I know there is so much out there on back pain; but I have a tough money question. I am a returning college student with not a whole lot of money. I am 33 year old male is I would say good shape. I work out decently and have a nice physique.

My problem is that one time I went to a golf pro shop and spent 4 hours smacking the golf ball as hard as I could almost too where I had a small pain in my chest and it was hard to breathe for a split second. And if I couldn’t get more stupid I went the next day and did it again. I had to choose a golf club for a class so that is why I pushed myself. I know that was kind of stupid.

After like a month I thought I healed up and then went and played Disc Golf and threw the Disc as hard as I possibly could for like 3 hours. I would throw it farther than anyone else. I guess I could have been showing off like an idiot.

Well I was working out moderately hard for a while in the gym during all this and never felt any burst of pain really. The only thing that I noticed was a small pinch like pain when I would be watching TV. So then I decided to go to a Chiropractor and he solved that but he noticed that my spine was just slight to the right and my shoulders were a little uneven; but absolutely nothing major going on. This was the first time I ever went to a Chiropractor and it was literally insane. I thought he was going to kill me because I never heard my bones crack like that before and my neck.

I think it might have been a littler before the Chiropractor that only in the morning when I wake up I would notice a pain right in the middle of my upper back between my shoulder blades; one time the pain moved to the right of my shoulder blade but that went away. Now all that is left is this ongoing pain in the middle of my back that I cannot for the life of me locate. It’s like it’s the long muscle in my back that go from top to bottom of your back and very close to my spine. I would say mid shoulder to mid back but not upper shoulder or lower back.

It is so weird because during the day I feel absolutely great with no back pain at all; even playing Disc Golf or exercising; it is only right after I wake up and while I am still laying down. Pretty much as soon as I wake up everything is fantastic.

Only other weird thing is I feel like my ear is ringing on my right ear when I sleep on my right side. This also goes away completely when I get up or move around.

Doctor’s Office:

I have been to my Doctor several times with this. I have had several X-Rays; nothing bruised on my skin or anything obvious; blood work done for immune system and anything out of the ordinary. I have taken muscle relaxers and anti-inflammatory’s but they are all temporary relief. Seems like the pain comes back. My Doctor is just saying it is like a pulled or sore muscle or something but just seems strange that something so small could cause so much discomfort in the morning.

Solutions:

My dad has celiac disease but I do not but I read an article about how maybe you could not have the disease but a precursor of it somehow. I do have a lot of joint pain right now like in my Big Toe; Wrist; Neck and sometimes elbow. I have had all these X-Rayed and blood work done to see any causes and nothing major is going on.

Here is the Article excerpt:

Remove gluten from your diet. Recent studies have shown that some people may have non-celiac disease gluten sensitivity and if so, that may trigger a systemic immune response which can keep joints irritated. This wasn’t too challenging for me since I already didn’t eat breads, pastas, refined grains in general but gluten, as you may know, is in a LOT of foods – like beef jerky for one. Remove gluten for thirty days and pay attention to how you feel. For me, it helped. If after thirty days you feel better then you can always titrate some back into your diet to find your threshold if you want to.

I am lost at this point:

Anything help would be greatly appreciated. Please leave your comments below. Thank You!

Update:

Now after reading all of this what do you propose? I have been to the Doctors and they do not have the answers. Do I just chalk it up to getting old? I am only 33. I use to play pretty hard but I do not think I destroyed my body or did I?

I am going back to school and I do know school and no job is stressing me out. But can it be creating this much havoc?

All I know is that I am kind of afraid to go to sleep and it’s a real problem. I have some pain relievers and muscles relaxers but I do not really care for them.

I just know that my sleep is absolutely horrible and it is not like it used to be where I could fall asleep like a baby and get 9 to 10 hours a sleep and nothing could wake me up. What in the world happened? I feel like I was just sleeping like this not too long ago.

Please help me any way you can! Please leave comments below!

 

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Also here is a picture of my sorry ass. I just do not think I have the bodycomposition for it. I use to be a bean pole and way skinnier than this beforePH’s and working out 24/7

I am 33 year old male is I would say good shape. I work out decently and have a nice physique.

are you schizophrenic?
which one is it?

@Everyone

JUST FYI! I am currently back in college and havea 4.0 GPA. I might have acted ignorant sometimes; but that is only because I amfrustrated with this whole process. What I have learned though; that it isgoing to take years.

hmmm..4.0 GPA yet avoids doctors and seeks treatment guidance on internet forums
I don't see the correlation

I NEED YOUR HELP!

Ok. So I took Super DMZ 2.0 with LMG. Man do I feel messed up at the moment. I do not know what is going on with myself. I have had several problems and I am not sure what it is.
I have been taking pro-hormones off and on for years since like 25, I do not think I proper PCT at all for this cycle. I am wondering if I did any major damage to myself?

4.0 GPA, and you use steroids without a clue of what you are putting in your body, no research at all
I do not see the correlation

I was naturally around 135 lbs. and now I can’t get under 185 lbs. I am just wondering if I am bigger than my bones can support; and if I am how do I fix this because I think I am all muscle and can’t lose the weight?

you have a 4.0 GPA -- did you really just say this?
I do not see the correlation

I could be over sleeping. I try to get 9 to 12.

so you go to school, and sleep
maybe you need a job? then you may not have as much time to type wall of text, ponder these oh-so-deep intellectual questions

Also I think I might have some anxiety because I am use to making six figures and working 12 hours a day. I did that for 10 years of my life. Now I am a poor college student which my wife takes care of me. I wonder if this could be psychology as well.

so back in the day, you slept 12hrs/night and worked 12/hrs a day..
interdasting
but look on the bright side: you have a 4.0 GPA

There was a time when I had Amino Acids 2222 and Gold standard Whey Protein that was expired and the lid was not sealed tight. I had they for a little while; wonder if my body had toxic amino acids for a while and now reacts to them?

yes..yes, that must be it
I think your GPA has to have been affected by this

Holy wall of text.

indeed, this has been fun



I think OP needs practice..a lot more practice

 

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are you schizophrenic?
which one is it?

hmmm..4.0 GPA yet avoids doctors and seeks treatment guidance on internet forums
I don't see the correlation

4.0 GPA, and you use steroids without a clue of what you are putting in your body, no research at all
I do not see the correlation

you have a 4.0 GPA -- did you really just say this?
I do not see the correlation

so you go to school, and sleep
maybe you need a job? then you may not have as much time to type wall of text, ponder these oh-so-deep intellectual questions

so back in the day, you slept 12hrs/night and worked 12/hrs a day..
interdasting
but look on the bright side: you have a 4.0 GPA

yes..yes, that must be it
I think your GPA has to have been affected by this

indeed, this has been fun

I think OP needs practice..a lot
more practice

Read this through once, then re-read. So good.

OP how do you maintain a 4.0 with 9+ hrs sleep!!???

Oh and TL;DR

 

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Elevated IGA from Celiac Disease Test. I do not have Celiac Disease…

Hello Everyone,

I have a curious question. What essentially is Elevated IGA? I have look all around google and there is not much information on it.

Let me tell you my story…

I went to an Endocrinologist to check on my testosterone because I am 33. I told him I was feeling okay maybe not the best so he did complete blood work on me. I did tell him that my Father was recently diagnosed with Celiac Disease so he went ahead and ran that as well.

Long story short … the endocrinologist said that everything was perfect on me except that my IGA was elevated. His nurse at first gave me a call and said that this is probably no big deal and he just wants me to see a specialist. I was not understanding her so she just had the Doctor call me. He said that he had no idea what this mean and that “I would just not ignore it” kind of hinting that this could be a big deal.

So then he refers me to a hematologist. I am like sure okay, and then I call the office and it is like, hello thanks for calling the Cancer Center … I was like what??? I have cancer now?

So then the next day I went to my Primary Doctor and he did a blood test on me little under a year ago also test for Celiac Disease. I did not have those results but I got them today. They showed that I had elevated IGA and he didn’t even bother telling me about it. He was like it didn’t excite me; I guess meaning no big deal. He said IGA is such a basic protein to the system that it is just not that important. Only when levels are low is when people start getting concerned. His blood test just like the last blood test came back perfectly fine, literally everything else, the last blood work was like 1500 bucks, they must have had a field day checking on that IGA levels or something.

I guess the Endocrinologist was wondering how someone would have elevated IGA and not have Celiac. He did confess that he had no idea what this meant and wanted me to see a specialist. It is just the way he told me that it sounded important and that he scared me a little bit. Also the fact that when you call the Hematologist they answer the phone Cancer line how may I help you…

Anxiety. I think I really have anxiety I think. My doctor just prescribed me Lexapro. I have been acting such like a Hypochondriac and have been having multiple high level stressors in my life like going back to college, moving, marriage, in-laws, and not working.

I could have sworn I read somewhere that high IGA could be caused by Anxiety and or allergies to which I have both to where I am living at the moment. I have a lot of anxiety and there are dogs and cats where I live and when I touch one I break out in hives. Also my skin seems to be a lot more sensitive than it used to be like when I work out at the gym and sometimes I will get marks on where I press too hard on stuff. Like one time I was bent pressing and got a couple of bruises on my back that went away, and recently I just did calves raises and had some heavy weight on my shoulders have very slight red line bruise so small doesn’t seem like a big deal but just doesn’t seem like this use to ever happen before.

My Doctor says that I cannot lower my IGA. What if my IGA gets to like 5000 or something? My Doctor did have a very good point. He said blood test values are like a bell curve and that sometimes there can be outliers. I am currently in school and taking statistics so this makes perfect sense to me. He said that your body is just different in this area and this what makes you, you. If it was something low or critical we would take action.

I guess what he is saying is that this outlier is a non-essential concern.

Here are my results below…

Results 05/2013

Solstats

Result Range

IgA = 682 68-379

tTG IgA = 8.3 <20
tTG IgG = 6.5 <20
Endomysial = Negative

Results 04/2014

LabCorp

Result Range

IgA = 710 91-414

tTG IgA = 0-3 <2
tTG IgG = 0-5 <2
Endomysial = Negative

Questions:

What is IGA?

What does it mean to have High Levels of IGA?

What is the worst case scenario of High Levels of IGA?

How do I lower my IGA?

Is this a precursor of Cancer or anything like that? Or is this simply an outlier like the Doctor says and is absolutely nothing to worry about?

Help:

My main point is that I am going to my follow up visit in a week to the Hematologist and I know what is going to happen. He is going to say everything is absolutely fine. We ran a ton of blood work, not sure why that test was done, but have a nice day. And give me a look of why am I even here.

I do not want to leave still not knowing exactly what this is, and that is why I posted this topic here. I was hoping someone out there could elaborate on this so I can know that this is not a big deal. Is there anything I can do? Should I be watching out for anything? You know. So please if you can help me out and sooth my Anxiety that would be great. Thank you so much for reading and have a wonderful day.

Thank You!