Other than PED's what drugs do you take to enhance their bodybuiling experience.

[mikeymike85]

Drugs are addictive because they are awesome... anyone who disagrees hasn't experienced the capabilities.

 

[stankyleg]

Drugs are addictive because they are awesome... anyone who disagrees hasn't experienced the capabilities.

This is true. That's why I never tried crack or smack. I'm like "this sh!t is so good that people will suck a stranger's ding dong to get more. No thanks."

 

[christ83189]

Please don't apologize. Here on AM that is considered "beta-behavior".

Lol

 

[D3x]

http://southpark.cc.com/clips/153586/going-ape-for-bebe

 

[YoungThor]

rtmilburn haha I’ve done several psychedelics but ibogaine I have not touched. It was a joke. You are a true psychedelic warrior for taking that journey though. I’ve read up on it and I can’t even imagine the depth of that experience.
Also, you made a very good point. Drugs are neither good nor evil. The outcome of drug use is more of a reflection on the person who used it, than a reflection on the nature of the compound itself. As you said, even meth has it’s value and that’s why, shockingly to most, it remains a schedule II substance.
bradleyt1 ...forget it...you’ve had enough already.

 

[rtmilburn]

rtmilburn haha I’ve done several psychedelics but ibogaine I have not touched. It was a joke. You are a true psychedelic warrior for taking that journey though. I’ve read up on it and I can’t even imagine the depth of that experience.
Also, you made a very good point. Drugs are neither good nor evil. The outcome of drug use is more of a reflection on the person who used it, than a reflection on the nature of the compound itself. As you said, even meth has it’s value and that’s why, shockingly to most, it remains a schedule II substance.
bradleyt1 ...forget it...you’ve had enough already.

Haha funny thing is I've only done LSD once—and it was either way to low dose for fake as I felt nothing, but I didn't have a good source like I do now— dmt once and nothing else other than ibogaine.

Ibogaine was only a gram, which I was told was mild enough that I shouldnt feel much other than energy and slight self inflection. Well he was he wrong. I was full blown tripping ballz. I went into the depth of my soul. Nothing like dmt.

Dmt you feel you left your soul and body and enter the next stage of "existing", and learn everything about everything ever. You just can't remember anything after.

Whereas ibogaine sucked me into myself. I had memories of everything I had ever experience since I was 2 pop up. All with pinpoint accuracy, even taste and smell. All of which sounds great but the experience was not pleasant feeling at all.

Whereas dmt is nothing but joy, scary, but joy. Which everyone I know that has tried ibogaine says it is the most insightful but terrible experience there is.

 

[rtmilburn]

Haha funny thing is I've only done LSD once—and it was either way to low dose for fake as I felt nothing, but I didn't have a good source like I do now— dmt once and nothing else other than ibogaine.

Ibogaine was only a gram, which I was told was mild enough that I shouldnt feel much other than energy and slight self inflection. Well he was he wrong. I was full blown tripping ballz. I went into the depth of my soul. Nothing like dmt.

Dmt you feel you left your soul and body and enter the next stage of "existing", and learn everything about everything ever. You just can't remember anything after.

Whereas ibogaine sucked me into myself. I had memories of everything I had ever experience since I was 2 pop up. All with pinpoint accuracy, even taste and smell. All of which sounds great but the experience was not pleasant feeling at all.

Whereas dmt is nothing but joy, scary, but joy. Which everyone I know that has tried ibogaine says it is the most insightful but terrible experience there is.

Oh I forget to mention the vomiting. Oh vomited sooooooooooooooo much

 

[Chados]

Well I apologize if I offended anybody, I gave heads up in my first post, everyone has an opinion but again I apologize if I offended anyone

You should say.. if I offended anyone I offer absolutely no apology cause nobody should be offended. Its your opinion and its not wrong. I mean Id probably try smoking weed before my workout since everyone's hyping it up but I'm not gonna be offended if someone looks at me strangely and I would not be offended.

 

[Whisky]

Drugs are addictive because they are awesome... anyone who disagrees hasn't experienced the capabilities.

Yes they are but the problem for addicts (well for me at least) was that the ‘awesome’ feeling became my ‘normal’ feeling so that anytime I wasn’t on something I felt worse than normal.....

Your baseline adjusts and before long drugs are no longer making you feel awesome and you need them to feel normal.

I have many friends who can use recreationally (once or twice a month say) with seemingly no issue. Unfortunately for some of us that isn’t possible and it’s far better to abstain completely and get our kicks from things like exercise (which although I’m also now addicted too at this addiction isn’t likely to put me in an early grave.....)

 

[bradleyt1]

Yes they are but the problem for addicts (well for me at least) was that the ‘awesome’ feeling became my ‘normal’ feeling so that anytime I wasn’t on something I felt worse than normal.....

Your baseline adjusts and before long drugs are no longer making you feel awesome and you need them to feel normal.

I have many friends who can use recreationally (once or twice a month say) with seemingly no issue. Unfortunately for some of us that isn’t possible and it’s far better to abstain completely and get our kicks from things like exercise (which although I’m also now addicted too at this addiction isn’t likely to put me in an early grave.....)

I feel the same and I have an all or nothing personality so to speak so thank god I put it into the gym and training and somewhat diet.. although diet is more relaxed than in the past.. example instill wat clean but before everything was weighed out day in day out, wouldn’t eat out etc, stupid way to live really, it’s an ocd, doesn’t need to be to the exact gram I found to build a great physique honestly, I am a much happier person now, but training still balls to the wall. Love to over train and don’t really care lol, rather do to much than not enough

 

[Whisky]

I feel the same and I have an all or nothing personality so to speak so thank god I put it into the gym and training and somewhat diet.. although diet is more relaxed than in the past.. example instill wat clean but before everything was weighed out day in day out, wouldn’t eat out etc, stupid way to live really, it’s an ocd, doesn’t need to be to the exact gram I found to build a great physique honestly, I am a much happier person now, but training still balls to the wall. Love to over train and don’t really care lol, rather do to much than not enough

Yep likewise, love the feeling of pushing myself......far worse addictions in this world (and I can’t think of any better lol)

 

[CultiVader]

Oh I forget to mention the vomiting. Oh vomited sooooooooooooooo much

I’ve never even heard of ibogaine. I’ll be googling that shortly. Your posts about it cracked me up, bc I’ve had similar experiences on other drugs. But nah, that sounds awful haha. As I’ve gotten older I’ve realized hallucinating isn’t really my bag, and gives me heavy anxiety. I’m scared to try dmt for this reason but I’ve only heard good things.

 

[christ83189]

I’ve never even heard of ibogaine. I’ll be googling that shortly. Your posts about it cracked me up, bc I’ve had similar experiences on other drugs. But nah, that sounds awful haha. As I’ve gotten older I’ve realized hallucinating isn’t really my bag, and gives me heavy anxiety. I’m scared to try dmt for this reason but I’ve only heard good things.

Dmt is crazy dude. Super intense

 

[rtmilburn]

Dmt is crazy dude. Super intense

Dmt is most amazing thing anyone can do with there life!!!!!!! You learn SO much. I really need to do it again, it's been too long.

It's none addictive (matter of fact I would call it anti-addictive), makes you imbrace all your bullsh!it, shine a bright as light on all the fallacies of the world, shows you so much love and understanding, and teaches so much knowledge of everything.

It is just so hard to remember even a fraction of what happened on it.

Oh it also promotes neuroplasticity and neurogenesis.

 

[rtmilburn]

I’ve never even heard of ibogaine. I’ll be googling that shortly. Your posts about it cracked me up, bc I’ve had similar experiences on other drugs. But nah, that sounds awful haha. As I’ve gotten older I’ve realized hallucinating isn’t really my bag, and gives me heavy anxiety. I’m scared to try dmt for this reason but I’ve only heard good things.

Ya dmt only last 15 minutes MAX and is way kinder than most psychedelics. However, it is still so intense and can have bad trips too.

 

[YoungThor]

And dmt lasts a couple minutes. It can provide all that insight very quickly and then you carry on with your day. LSD on the other hand is very time consuming. I already took a really strong dose of it and tripped for 24 hours.

 

[rtmilburn]

And dmt lasts a couple minutes. It can provide all that insight very quickly and then you carry on with your day. LSD on the other hand is very time consuming. I already took a really strong dose of it and tripped for 24 hours.

My psychonaut friend loves 125-150mcg LSD with 50 mg dmt during the peak of LSD. He only trips about once every couple of month, but does this every time he does trip. Also smokes weed during the come down as it prolongs the trip.

Thing is you can see the the joy, cheer, and enthusiasm in he has in his step(aka his overall domineer) for literally months afterwards.

 

[Lionheart1776]

Lmao, just fell down the rabbit whole of the psychonaut forums after reading these last few posts and deciding the check that community out. I love their attitude about using psychedelics for self enrichment and discovery and the respect they show for them. I've always viewed them as nothing more than a fun way to **** around on a boring day or something. I can already see myself trying them all in various doses, settings, and combinations in the coming months-year. Am very excited to see how it goes.

 

[Chados]

And dmt lasts a couple minutes. It can provide all that insight very quickly and then you carry on with your day. LSD on the other hand is very time consuming. I already took a really strong dose of it and tripped for 24 hours.

Smoking dmt yes. I'm not an expert but I just watched a documentary and digesting it can last hours.

 

[rtmilburn]

Smoking dmt yes. I'm not an expert but I just watched a documentary and digesting it can last hours.

Yes that is because eating dmt requires an MAO inhibitor for it not to get broken down during digestion. However, this also prolongs it's effect from minutes to 6-8 hours give or take. I've never taken it in this form(aka ayahuasca) I heard it an overall different experience this way.

 

[rtmilburn]

I truly believe that mescaline, LSD, dmt, and psilocybin will be the next great frontier of treating a lot of psychological disorders.

 

[Newth]

helps with anxiety too

and if it's anything like morphine it would be good to lower appetite cos no matter how much you want to eat red you know you'll just puke it up anyways.

I truly believe that mescaline, LSD, dmt, and psilocybin will be the next great frontier of treating a lot of psychological disorders.

It's pretty hard to argue with the mental health system we evolved with.
LSD micro-dosing is worth a go with the right mindset.

And molly would be great to take just to admire yourself in the mirror for hours

No, it's not.
You just triggered a repressed memory.

A guy I've worked with for over a decade would ask every year around the same time how to get big then train for a month or so, then every year forget everything again.
Three years ago I was done with it so with a quick look I found a basic solid BB website and told him to learn from it. So thanks to Youtube and a bunch of ****ed up searching he had his pre-workout worked out.
Mon-Couple of rums to psych-up.
Wed-Couple of rums to psych-up.
Fri-Molly to psych-up for a monster workout.
After watching an interview with (I think) Rhonda Rousey saying she has sex before a fight he added jacking off to his friday pre-work out also.
He didn't bother again when that didn't work.

Damn thats going to take a while to forget again.

 

[YoungThor]

Newth

The second that guy told you his preworkout plan it was your responsibility to put him in a headlock and tell him how stupid he is.

 

[Newth]

Newth

The second that guy told you his preworkout plan it was your responsibility to put him in a headlock and tell him how stupid he is.

Yeah this was more one of those sometimes people just need to learn their own way kind of things.

 

[Newth]

Newth

The second that guy told you his preworkout plan it was your responsibility to put him in a headlock and tell him how stupid he is.

It took him a couple of months of this to get over it.

 

[user567]

Cialis and modafinil or adderall

 

[Lionheart1776]

Cialis and modafinil or adderall

Modafinil is the ****, very clean focus and energy and very minimal side effects. Seems to nuke the appetite decently as well and can be taken for prolong periods of time without a significant tolerance build up. My go to daily dose is 100mg but on days off I bump it to 200. Holly **** that stuff is strong, I one time started 6 threads in 2 hours on it and left like 6 paragraph responses due to how focused it makes me. My brother cured his depression when he discovered by accident that modafinil makes his anti-depression meds (SSRI's am not sure which) work a **** lot better.

Have you ever tried stacking the modafinil and adderall? Seems like it would be way to much focus lol!

 

[rtmilburn]

Modafinil is the ****, very clean focus and energy and very minimal side effects. Seems to nuke the appetite decently as well and can be taken for prolong periods of time without a significant tolerance build up. My go to daily dose is 100mg but on days off I bump it to 200. Holly **** that stuff is strong, I one time started 6 threads in 2 hours on it and left like 6 paragraph responses due to how focused it makes me. My brother cured his depression when he discovered by accident that modafinil makes his anti-depression meds (SSRI's am not sure which) work a **** lot better.

Have you ever tried stacking the modafinil and adderall? Seems like it would be way to much focus lol!

Stacking them actually cancel each other out. Not fully but significantly reduces the effects of either.

Modafinil, caffeine, and a nootropic such as clear edge.

Or modafinil with nootropimax would be nice, as it has caffeine theacrine and other noots

 

[user567]

Good thing about modafinil is it last 12 hours.

 

[Matthersby]

Where are you guys getting your Modafinil?

 

[suavmcgauv]

E has potential in clinical settings, but really taxes the brain and should be limited to once or twice in a lifetime, imo.

 

[christ83189]

E has potential in clinical settings, but really taxes the brain and should be limited to once or twice in a lifetime, imo.

Well leave it to me to go overboard... Ive only done it probably 50x that amount and mega dosed it each time lol that was my favorite thing to do from age 18-20

 

[rtmilburn]

Well leave it to me to go overboard... Ive only done it probably 50x that amount and mega dosed it each time lol that was my favorite thing to do from age 18-20

Lucky I've wanted to try but never got the chance but this is something I would only do once.

 

[christ83189]

Yeah it can be alot of fun for sure. The hangover can really suck sometimes though

 

[Dizzle3]

I use Phenibut to potentiate alcohol when I got out, I turn the **** up on less than 3 drinks for the entire night on 2 grams of Phenibut. Combined with a little stimulants, absolute god mode! Super loose and super composed all at the same time. Really loving Phenibut.

Wow really?? So tell me more about this phenibut

 

[Dizzle3]

Since when did we require others to “Think & Behave like us” before they can truly be into bodybuilding??

Here’s an idea, you do you & let me do me!

And if these posts offend you, then scroll on down to the next one OR start one of your own... I guarantee you That I won’t be reading & making sure what you post lines up with MY views of bodybuilding

This is an awesome topic & getting a lot of good feedback so far, maybe hit that bong & come holla at us later

 

[hairygrandpa]

Telmisartan, 80mg/d on a wet cycle.
-lowers blood pressure
-enhances metabolism
-increase utilization of fat as energy
-ups insulin sensitivity
-reverts left ventricular hypertrophy
-increasing beneficial endothelial nitric oxide
-boosts athletic performance
-increases life span

 

[edsd]

I feel a better mind to muscle connection when I am high.

 

[hairygrandpa]

I feel a better mind to muscle connection when I am high.

...and a head - brain disconnection...

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I feel a better mind to muscle connection when I am high.

But is this actually reflected by performance and results, or just you thinking you have better mind muscle connection, like how some people think they’re good singers or fighters when they’re drunk, or how some people think their dog is speaking English to them, or ninjas are guarding their fridge when they’re high?

 

[Old Witch]

Adderall, vyvanse or dextroamphetamine. Good for focus, mood, and energy/motivation, appetite suppression. I keep the dosage in the neighborhoods of 5mg every 6 hours or so unless using time release.

Cannabis. Been smoking it since I was 12. Good for focus, mood, appetite. Bad for motivation. Amphetamine counteracts this negative effect. Dosage should be about 500mg sativa every hour or two for stimulant effects.

Cialis. Insane pumps, lowers BP, retains nitrogen like a champ.

Psilocybe mushrooms. Once yearly treats chronic depression, toxic thought spirals, etc. also fun for a night of adventure.

Angels Trumpet. Belladonna relative. This is used for several purposes, highly deadly. Very dangerous. Do not recommend. I use it. You shouldn't.

Kratom. Take as needed for pain.

 

[Borashi]

I vape medical CBD weed to reduce inflammation, pain, and on a mental level, really helps with my anxiety.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Adderall, vyvanse or dextroamphetamine. Good for focus, mood, and energy/motivation, appetite suppression. I keep the dosage in the neighborhoods of 5mg every 6 hours or so unless using time release.

Cannabis. Been smoking it since I was 12. Good for focus, mood, appetite. Bad for motivation. Amphetamine counteracts this negative effect. Dosage should be about 500mg sativa every hour or two for stimulant effects.

Cialis. Insane pumps, lowers BP, retains nitrogen like a champ.

Psilocybe mushrooms. Once yearly treats chronic depression, toxic thought spirals, etc. also fun for a night of adventure.

Angels Trumpet. Belladonna relative. This is used for several purposes, highly deadly. Very dangerous. Do not recommend. I use it. You shouldn't.

Kratom. Take as needed for pain.

Please tell me you’re not taking amphetamines every six hours and smoking pot every two hours daily haha. Is this an occasional thing I hope?

 

[DWeaver]

I got high just reading this thread

 

[Old Witch]

Please tell me you’re not taking amphetamines every six hours and smoking pot every two hours daily haha. Is this an occasional thing I hope?

Personally I smoke pot daily a bit more than that, actually. Maybe twice an hour.

The amphetamines, no. I would not do that daily. Redosing after six hours is for staying awake for days on end without feeling it.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Personally I smoke pot daily a bit more than that, actually. Maybe twice an hour.

The amphetamines, no. I would not do that daily. Redosing after six hours is for staying awake for days on end without feeling it.

Assuming you’re awake for 16 hours of the day, you smoke 32 times a day every day? Even if you don’t smoke until you’re done with work, you smoke a dozen times a day every day?

 

[Old Witch]

I smoke almost constantly, especially while working. I have to cut the solder fumes with something bahahaha!

I smoked, posted, smoked, ran to the store, am smoking now, about to go pick up the family, planning to smoke on the way...

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I smoke almost constantly, especially while working. I have to cut the solder fumes with something bahahaha!

I smoked, posted, smoked, ran to the store, am smoking now, about to go pick up the family, planning to smoke on the way...

Lol, that’s a strange solution. I assume you’re self employed?

You do know that’s illegal though, right?

 

[YoungThor]

Lol, that’s a strange solution. I assume you’re self employed?

You do know that’s illegal though, right?

I’m sure he knows. If only you knew the levels of intoxication that blue collar workers are experiencing while building this country. Uppers, downers, laughers, screamers, you name it, there are guys on every site doing this. I’m not exactly sure what Old Witch does for work but if he were on my crew he’d be given a medal for only smoking weed. And of course there’s some juicers too, who don’t mess with too many drugs or booze. But some steroid users from my company still drink copious amounts of booze and do hard drugs. Somehow there not dead. And I am not recommending this lifestyle to anyone. I work stone cold sober at least 90% of the time.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I’m sure he knows. If only you knew the levels of intoxication that blue collar workers are experiencing while building this country. Uppers, downers, laughers, screamers, you name it, there are guys on every site doing this. I’m not exactly sure what Old Witch does for work but if he were on my crew he’d be given a medal for only smoking weed. And of course there’s some juicers too, who don’t mess with too many drugs or booze. But some steroid users from my company still drink copious amounts of booze and do hard drugs. Somehow there not dead. And I am not recommending this lifestyle to anyone. I work stone cold sober at least 90% of the time.

I was referring to what sounded like driving high being illegal, and endangering the life of other people on the road.