kwyckemynd00
Registered User
Bingo. And after hearing Guns, Germs and Steel won a Pulitzer, I've got no respect for the award and realize that neither do those who award it.LCSULLA said:
Open Letter To Washington Post and Ms. Amy Shipley
- Thread starter Author L. Rea
- Start date
kwyckemynd00
Registered User
The point of removing the threads was so that she can see the thread for her.Old Guy said:
If they were trying to hide things, bobo would have to take the whole site down, :lol:
Plus, what's to hide? She can just go to his website.
SilentScream27
Member
that, and another similar article (the worse one you referred to), is why 1fast doesn't carry bill's products, and why many people dislike him. Telling the media that athletes are using the pro-hormones shows a clear lack of a brain.
prolangtum
Member
it was only a matter of time.
kwyckemynd00
Registered User
Yeah, there are quite a few words I believe are synonymous with his being that I will refrain from saying in this thread.....:twisted:SilentScream27 said:
BKneller
Banned
Not Bill L!!!
It was not Bill L who "sent" the reporter to the board and
ALRI's subsection. Let's make that clear. It was someone else.
I'd rather not get into who it was other than to say neither
Author or myself were exactly shocked when we found out
it was him.
As for the rest...Author and I have no comments.
BK
It was not Bill L who "sent" the reporter to the board and
ALRI's subsection. Let's make that clear. It was someone else.
I'd rather not get into who it was other than to say neither
Author or myself were exactly shocked when we found out
it was him.
As for the rest...Author and I have no comments.
BK
ss01
Banned
The reason for all this is simple : anti-excellence. If you strive for excellence, you take control of what's implied in it, that means your LIFE. Someone who takes control of their life is less likely to gobble down any disinformation/misinformation and whatever else a government wants people to believe. Watch baseball on TV, be fat, drink lots of alcohol, smoke cigarettes, that's OK because they won't make you BETTER. They make you WEAK and WEAK is easy to control. Just notice how, even with all the lawsuits and everything, the tobacco industry is still raking in the dough. Their products still legal. This so-called democracy wants you to believe that your best interests are being looked after "Hey we even banned them evil steroids" while, in truth, they aren't. But the people are way too soft now to wake up and smell the stink of rot. Rights? Pretty soon, you'll have a right to watch TV any time of the day you want.
KD1
Member
I hate the fact that androgens are so Taboo. Lets face it, if they were completly legal, competition would quickly produce the most effective products with the least amount of sides. By making it difficult on manufacturers, regulation forces a comprimise on their ability to develop the safest most effective products.
All I know is I look f'in awsome, I got big hanging boys and no probs in the sack, my blood work is great - somebody tell me its bad for my body and I will laugh at them.
All I know is I look f'in awsome, I got big hanging boys and no probs in the sack, my blood work is great - somebody tell me its bad for my body and I will laugh at them.
sMd2001
Banned
BKneller said:
Sorry, Bruce, but you cannot come in here saying things like that first statement, and then expect someone to drop the subject completely. Well, I guess you can, heck you just did - but we all know that's not the correct way to handle this issue. You create another bit of mystery with your statement, and are only seemingly creating more hype and excitement, needlessly.
And yet, if we were to really look into your statement, you don't even know for sure who did this, you have only been led to believe who did it, correct?
BodyWizard
Registered User
because if he came out and said it, he'd get sued, and would need to produce solid proof to back up the accusation.quigs said:
BodyWizard
Registered User
slander? defamation? harassment? restraint of trade?
any weapon will do: this is an old fight, and tragic.
any weapon will do: this is an old fight, and tragic.
aspirate
New member
That's because it's a guess. Hell it's anyones guess but does it really matter?BodyWizard said:
Any reporter with internet access, a few brain cells and time to read could have figured this story out. With all the fighting back and forth between all the companies, there is more than enough fuel for the fire.
Ghosting
Guest
Well lets see, there is Bill L and PA. Take a guess based on what BK has said so far. Even if you didnt read BK's post, you have a 50/50 chance.quigs said:
kwyckemynd00
Registered User
No........what has me confused is they said THEY were suprised who said it. If PA did it they wouldn't be surprised, would they.Ghosting said:Well lets see, there is Bill L and PA. Take a guess based on what BK has said so far. Even if you didnt read BK's post, you have a 50/50 chance.
I'm wondering "who dun it" too?
Ghosting
Guest
PA has a brother in this industry too, and PA doesnt stand for Prince Albert incase you were wondering.kwyckemynd00 said:
Ghosting
Guest
Oh, I didnt understand your post, but my post still remains valid......excidentally.Ghosting said:PA has a brother in this industry too, and PA doesnt stand for Prince Albert incase you were wondering.
Ghosting
Guest
Shocked, not shocked. 
kwyckemynd00
Registered User
Guess I misread, eh?cable626 said:
Syr
Hot Italian Goldmember
Yeah, the same PA that announced just a few days ago that he is going back to the PH market? I dont believe that.Ghosting said:Well lets see, there is Bill L and PA. Take a guess based on what BK has said so far. Even if you didnt read BK's post, you have a 50/50 chance.
There are other companies and shady individuals. Whoever was, its disgusting.
littledoc
New member
Alright.
Now, there are all these rumors that this is the end of some of these designer hormonal supplements, which is obviously a really hasty conclusion to jump to. There's no evidence of that. No one's breaking any laws here, and congress hasn't made any moves to target anything.
However, I find my self not completely siding with the supplement industry here. For everyone like Author L Rea, Patrick Arnold and Bill Llewellyn, there are tons of companies putting out bunk products with who-knows-what in them and making all sorts of exaggerated and unsubstantiated claims about what they are and what they do.
So, I think that the supplement industry does need tighter regulation. But slapping broad bans on products, like was done this year with prohormones, is not the answer.
Now, there are all these rumors that this is the end of some of these designer hormonal supplements, which is obviously a really hasty conclusion to jump to. There's no evidence of that. No one's breaking any laws here, and congress hasn't made any moves to target anything.
However, I find my self not completely siding with the supplement industry here. For everyone like Author L Rea, Patrick Arnold and Bill Llewellyn, there are tons of companies putting out bunk products with who-knows-what in them and making all sorts of exaggerated and unsubstantiated claims about what they are and what they do.
So, I think that the supplement industry does need tighter regulation. But slapping broad bans on products, like was done this year with prohormones, is not the answer.
Author L. Rea
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Forgive me for my silence. I simply have had no reason to post. I do not watch day-time soap operas either.
It really does not matter who the source was, lads. And there was no intent to point at anyone. What matters is that it has simply become another example of drama for no good purpose that was taken into wrong directions in a few cases.
I pay for this area on this board to help support a forum for others who wish to discuss with their peers their own freedoms of choice in a format that allows us to agree or not. Most do so in an intelligent respectful manner. It has not effected our sales in any way, good or bad. But I have enjoyed speaking with many of you when I could steel the time to do so. Thank you.
The only intent of this post was and is to invite Ms. Shipley into a forum that would allow her an opportunity to hear from, and discuss this with, those she focused upon this time, as well as the many that these negative articles hurt. Want to do something for the public? Close a McDonald's and save a dozen heart attacks. Or, please, do something positive with all of the drunk kids I see constantly with a cigarette.
I had read her 2002 article and found that it is quite possible that she may be interested in publicly gaining the truth. It is all of those who steel threads to take to other boards, magazines and media maniacs that concern me. That is just drama for the sake of drama and suggest the dire need for estrogen control.
There certainly is no doubt that Pat dislikes me and most innovative lads in the industry. He bashes for page after page anything good other companies do for reasons known only to him in the wee hours of the night. He too, like us all, has his own ghosts to battle. But that does not make him all bad, nor do I have any desire to point any negative thoughts or feelings his, or anyone's way. I wish him and his endeavors the best and of course invite him to speak to me personally, face to face, anytime he feels the need to do so. Who knows, being in person rather than behind a key board, has made many far more respectful of those they speak of, and so much more interesting. LOL, Not likely ever friends, but certainly potential to resolve the lack of manners in a rather positive way.
In short, it is a sad state of the industry when we spend our time helping others destroy it and become blind to common sense. Lets stop.I have.
It really does not matter who the source was, lads. And there was no intent to point at anyone. What matters is that it has simply become another example of drama for no good purpose that was taken into wrong directions in a few cases.
I pay for this area on this board to help support a forum for others who wish to discuss with their peers their own freedoms of choice in a format that allows us to agree or not. Most do so in an intelligent respectful manner. It has not effected our sales in any way, good or bad. But I have enjoyed speaking with many of you when I could steel the time to do so. Thank you.
The only intent of this post was and is to invite Ms. Shipley into a forum that would allow her an opportunity to hear from, and discuss this with, those she focused upon this time, as well as the many that these negative articles hurt. Want to do something for the public? Close a McDonald's and save a dozen heart attacks. Or, please, do something positive with all of the drunk kids I see constantly with a cigarette.
I had read her 2002 article and found that it is quite possible that she may be interested in publicly gaining the truth. It is all of those who steel threads to take to other boards, magazines and media maniacs that concern me. That is just drama for the sake of drama and suggest the dire need for estrogen control.
There certainly is no doubt that Pat dislikes me and most innovative lads in the industry. He bashes for page after page anything good other companies do for reasons known only to him in the wee hours of the night. He too, like us all, has his own ghosts to battle. But that does not make him all bad, nor do I have any desire to point any negative thoughts or feelings his, or anyone's way. I wish him and his endeavors the best and of course invite him to speak to me personally, face to face, anytime he feels the need to do so. Who knows, being in person rather than behind a key board, has made many far more respectful of those they speak of, and so much more interesting. LOL, Not likely ever friends, but certainly potential to resolve the lack of manners in a rather positive way.
In short, it is a sad state of the industry when we spend our time helping others destroy it and become blind to common sense. Lets stop.I have.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
???
Absolutely not. It has nothing to do with the operation of this board at all.
Absolutely not. It has nothing to do with the operation of this board at all.
Cheezefacta
New member
PA on his current project...
"well it makes me stop and think.
but i am gonna go ahead with it
first thing though is for us to synthesize enough for us to test out, to make sure that it works in real world and not just on paper"
"well it makes me stop and think.
but i am gonna go ahead with it
first thing though is for us to synthesize enough for us to test out, to make sure that it works in real world and not just on paper"
Dungeon1
Member
Well I guess this means I'll have to get those calf/chest/bicep/tricep/ab/quad/ham/glute implants I've had my eyes on Seriously, why is it that it is perfectly okay to be repeatedly placed under anesthesia and cover my body with scars to look good, but if I take a natural hormone (not a "synthetic designer drug" as was stated in Amy's article) like testosterone, then I am some type of societal outcast? The body is a strange entity, capable of many unimagineable actions/reactions, but one thing is perfectly clear: this crap, this elitist bunch of uneducated and uninformed boobs who tell our "free" society what is legal/wrong/moral while peddling death in a rolling paper or beer bottle and pocketing the taxes off of the top is just giving me a damn headache.
Seriously, why is it that it is perfectly okay to be repeatedly placed under anesthesia and cover my body with scars to look good, but if I take a natural hormone (not a "synthetic designer drug" as was stated in Amy's article) like testosterone, then I am some type of societal outcast? The body is a strange entity, capable of many unimagineable actions/reactions, but one thing is perfectly clear: this crap, this elitist bunch of uneducated and uninformed boobs who tell our "free" society what is legal/wrong/moral while peddling death in a rolling paper or beer bottle and pocketing the taxes off of the top is just giving me a damn headache.Cheezefacta
New member
For real, the ALRI section is the only part I come to at AM (sometimes visit PH section)...stinkfist said:
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Then feel free to post somewhere else.
prolangtum
Member
I dont think ALR or Gaspari is guilty of this, but I have seen some ads that blatantly state how they are circumventing the law with these new products. Replacement for M 1T, etc. Just look at last months MD. When I read the ads I was wondering to myself when some congressman or news writer would pick one of these up, or it be shown to them, and we would not only lose these compounds, but it would snowball into us losing our supplement freedom totally, a la CODEX.
silicon_mayhem
Banned
DR.D said:
I'm not making any trouble. I merely made a post with instructions by which any intelligent person could find out which industry figure has long-standing ties with that particular reporter....
It certainly doesn't exonerate anybody, but when you compare the number of articles where she's dealt with various folks versus the number of articles where she's dealt with _______ ..........
"Author" and BK figure it to be Pat because they both have an axe to grind with him, and BK is still sore about the contamination memo that got sent to a few distributors. That's it. The basis of their suspicions is hard feelings, which is perfectly within their rights... though I must say it's rather short-sighted given the petty and juvenile climate in this industry, and the ease by which these sorts of environments are manipulated by folks with just the tiniest bit of cunning.... so realistically, the only thing they accomplish by jumping to such conclusions based on a ridiculous grudge is that they play into the hands of folks who might potentially like to exploit this very public little spat.
Trouble? Not here. Just telling folks how to inform themselves as to the existence of another possible suspect, and maybe raise a few eyebrows in the process.
DR.D
Well-known member
silicon_mayhem said:
You may be correct, but have you stopped to consider that their suspicions may more likely be based on PA former track record? He's pulled these kinds of stunts before, in case you don't remember. Actually, he's pulled this exact stunt before. That would not make them axe-grinders, but just plain smart rather. I mean really, the best you can do is go with the most probable odds. You’re right more often when the odds of something are above average. Or, my real opinion is that they do know. In fact, it would really blow my mind if they didn't. Think about it, they really can't afford not to know! Of course he wouldn't state it as a matter of fact, but he was kind enough to let those of us who can read between the lines know who it was without actually saying it. The way I see it, it's pretty clear and I will not be the least bit surprised if it is proven true.
TINYTOAD
Active member
Along the same lines...
Why is it okay to get botox injections to paralyze facial muscles, reducing wrinkles and extending the careers of people want to look younger?
Why is it a crime to take hormones to increase strength and stamina, to extend the careers of people who need to perform physically?
Remember these names:
Mr. Biden, Mr. Hatch, Mr. Grassley, Mr. Harkin, Mr. Stevens, Mr. McCain, Mr. Nelson of Florida, Mrs. Feinstein, Mr. Allen, and Ms. Murkowski?
Don't vote for them, and tell your friends.
-Tinytoad
Why is it okay to get botox injections to paralyze facial muscles, reducing wrinkles and extending the careers of people want to look younger?
Why is it a crime to take hormones to increase strength and stamina, to extend the careers of people who need to perform physically?
Remember these names:
Mr. Biden, Mr. Hatch, Mr. Grassley, Mr. Harkin, Mr. Stevens, Mr. McCain, Mr. Nelson of Florida, Mrs. Feinstein, Mr. Allen, and Ms. Murkowski?
Don't vote for them, and tell your friends.
-Tinytoad
Dungeon1 said:Well I guess this means I'll have to get those calf/chest/bicep/tricep/ab/quad/ham/glute implants I've had my eyes on