Old guys approach to a pain free healing-recomp SARMS Log

[hairygrandpa]

These are some well balanced lifting sessions. Awesome volume and weight being used. Nice job HG!

Most of us tend to eat the same foods week to week. Just track macros for a few days a week. This will give you an idea if your nutrition meets your goals. As far as carb tracking, I learned to avoid foods with processed sugar in them. Doing this alone helped reduce the waist size.

Thank you.
Volume is not even close to your routine, lol. No simple sugars here, it's poison.

I would like to give my cycle a sort of test base, as libido is suffering and test levels may be low.
On hand I have 4-AD RDe ( 4-Androstene-3b-ol,17-one Hydroxypropyl-beta-cyclodextrin) would you recommend taking it ?

 

[hairygrandpa]

Day: 71

No morning wood, some lethargy through the day, had to force feed myself. Before gym, 1 teaspoon Matcha Tea did the trick again.

Today I did something different.

My gym has 34 machines. Standing all in parallel lines, like iron soldiers.

It took me one minute to plan my attack...

It took me 2 hours and 17 minutes to kill every single one of them, with 2 sets to failure.

Muhahahaha

 

[kenpoengineer]

Impressive HG! You've come a long way since the start of this log! Well done!

 

[hairygrandpa]

Day: 73

Today was my first s.h.i.t.t.y. workout.

My goal was to bench 242 lbs today.
Started off with 198lbs then noticed, it's not my day.
Instead of stripping weights off, I switched to machines. After 40 minutes, when almost finished, strength and enthusiasm got up but I had to get home for work.

Will start supplementing with 4-AD as a test base, thinking that low test is to blame.
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LGD-4033 @ 18mg
MK-677 @ 50mg

-I'm still bloated, libido down to 50%, lethargy 3-4 hours a day .
- Appetite is good.
-Right elbow still not at 100% but can do most movements with little pain.
-Using Armaid every other day instead daily
-BP is high but not critical

 

[CJNator]

Day: 73

Today was my first s.h.i.t.t.y. workout.

My goal was to bench 242 lbs today.
Started off with 198lbs then noticed, it's not my day.
Instead of stripping weights off, I switched to machines. After 40 minutes, when almost finished, strength and enthusiasm got up but I had to get home for work.

Will start supplementing with 4-AD as a test base, thinking that low test is to blame.
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LGD-4033 @ 18mg
MK-677 @ 50mg

-I'm still bloated, libido down to 50%, lethargy 3-4 hours a day .
- Appetite is good.
-Right elbow still not at 100% but can do most movements with little pain.
-Using Armaid every other day instead daily
-BP is high but not critical

The 4-AD will help definitely with the lethargy.

 

[kenpoengineer]

Any way you can get bloodwork done? Here in the U.S. You can have basic panel, TT and E2 for $55.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Any way you can get bloodwork done? Here in the U.S. You can have basic panel, TT and E2 for $55.

Of course, blood test would be great !
Where I live you need a doctors prescription for the laboratory, to get the test done. It's a time problem for me, here comes 1 doctor for every 10.000 people, I guess. As long as the sides are manageable, I'll avoid the long waiting lines for an appointment.

 

[CorpKiller]

Right on brother! Definitely on the road to health and seeing those kids have kids of their own Respect to you.

^^^^This and setting the example for the kids.

 

[hairygrandpa]

^^^^This and setting the example for the kids.

Just don't tell my kids I'm juicing, ok?

LOL

 

[CorpKiller]

Just don't tell my kids I'm juicing, ok?

LOL

Lol, us older guys have lost so much since our 20s, hopefully a little supplementation won't hurt, besides there care worse drugs out there.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Lol, us older guys have lost so much since our 20s, hopefully a little supplementation won't hurt, besides there care worse drugs out there.

You are right ! Saw your profile, we are about the same age. Hehehe

 

[hairygrandpa]

Day: 75

Today my goal was "as heavy as it gets":

Lat pull down (wide grip)
150lbs x12
165lbsx 8/10/8

seated row reverse grip:
202,5 lbs x8/8/8 ( machine max weight)

Lat pull down narrow grip:
150 lbs x7/7/7

Straight arm lat pull down (rope)
75 lbs x 6/6/6

seated Biceps curl machine
135 lbs x4 (Drop set)
105 lbs x8
90 lbs x10

End of third week into bulking.
Weight before bulk: 216 lbs/ Now: 230 lbs

That's 14 lbs gain in 3 weeks. I bet half of it is water.
Strength is way up.
Libido 50%.
No lethargy today, just plain aggressiveness.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Day: 77

Still feeling bloated, cramps in calfs and back, no pain in arms, somewhat light sensitive (high dosed LGD? - or turning into Vampire)
Strength way up, T-shirts getting small.

Cycle Stack is now:

12mg LGD (down from 18mg -my second day with cramps in calfs and back)
200mg x2 4-AD Rde (started today as Test base)
50mg MK-677

Today was Shoulders, decided to make "Blitzkrieg" (short but deadly attack).

Seated Smith Military Press
121 lbs x9/10/8

Front rises with Olympic BB + small plates ( one second hold rule)
66 lbs x10/9
71.5 lbs x6

DB Lateral rises (1 second hold at top )
22 lbsx2 x10
27.5 lbsx2 x6/6

DB Bent-Over Rear Deltoid Raise , with head resting on bench (hold 1 second at top)
27.5 lbsx2 10/9/8 (no ideal form)

DB Bent-Over 1 Arm Deltoid Raise ( 1 second hold rule)
27.5 lbs 10
33 lbs 8/8 (form suffered)

Standing Bradford Press (counted every move)
Olympic BB with small plates

BB only x 50
BB+ 2x5.5lbs x35
BB+ 2x11 lbs x26

 

[CJNator]

Day: 77

Still feeling bloated, cramps in calfs and back, no pain in arms, somewhat light sensitive (high dosed LGD? - or turning into Vampire)
Strength way up, T-shirts getting small.

Cycle Stack is now:

12mg LGD (down from 18mg -my second day with cramps in calfs and back)
200mg x2 4-AD Rde (started today as Test base)
50mg MK-677

Today was Shoulders, decided to make "Blitzkrieg" (short but deadly attack).

Seated Smith Military Press
121 lbs x9/10/8

Front rises with Olympic BB + small plates ( one second hold rule)
66 lbs x10/9
71.5 lbs x6

DB Lateral rises (1 second hold at top )
22 lbsx2 x10
27.5 lbsx2 x6/6

DB Bent-Over Rear Deltoid Raise , with head resting on bench (hold 1 second at top)
27.5 lbsx2 10/9/8 (no ideal form)

DB Bent-Over 1 Arm Deltoid Raise ( 1 second hold rule)
27.5 lbs 10
33 lbs 8/8 (form suffered)

Standing Bradford Press (counted every move)
Olympic BB with small plates

BB only x 50
BB+ 2x5.5lbs x35
BB+ 2x11 lbs x26

Looks awesome! Maybe it is high BP? I can't remember why back pump and all that happen.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Day: 79

-bloat is better, figured out too much protein shakes
-feeling less lethargic
-libido at 70%, rising (hehehe)
-BP somewhat high
-cramps and painful back pumps gone ( trans dermal magnesium and soluble electrolytes did the trick)
-still some sensibility to light (no idea why, anyone?)
-got compliments from costumers and friends ("you are getting bigger every time I see you") <---- that's better then Ephedrine for motivation

Today Legs and Chest 45min

Seated Leg Press
342 lbs x 8 (legs shaking, dropped weight)
319,5 lbs 12/12

Leg extension
209 lbs x15/13/14 (machine max)

Seated Leg curls machine
Max weight ( no idea how much, not written on machine)
18/18/13/13

Calf raises seated
182 lbs x 22/26/18

Bench press BB
220 lbs x 5/12/11/10 (don't know why first set was shaky)

Declined BB bench
198 lbs x16/14/9

Inclined BB bench
165 lbs x8/6/7

Push ups (legs on bench)
38/30/26

 

[kenpoengineer]

Very nice lifting! Strong numbers all around!

 

[aovereem]

Never seen any1 do 18 mg of LGD. Might cause complete shutdown no? Are u on TRT?

 

[hairygrandpa]

Never seen any1 do 18 mg of LGD. Might cause complete shutdown no? Are u on TRT?

Thank you for your interest.

LGD Currently at 12mg. Yes, I'm shut down. No, I'm not on TRT. As test base I pop 2x 200mg 4-AD.

It seems LGD's action is highly dose dependent.
If you have read logs about LGD, you will notice that most users would do the next cycle with higher dosage.

For me, at 18mg I felt ill. BP got up, cramps in calfs and back, light sensitivity and lethargy. Now at 12mg, I feel better.

 

[aovereem]

Thank you for your interest.

LGD Currently at 12mg. Yes, I'm shut down. No, I'm not on TRT. As test base I pop 2x 200mg 4-AD.

It seems LGD's action is highly dose dependent.
If you have read logs about LGD, you will notice that most users would do the next cycle with higher dosage.

For me, at 18mg I felt ill. BP got up, cramps in calfs and back, light sensitivity and lethargy. Now at 12mg, I feel better.

ye, I used LGD half a year ago as a kicker for a mast/test/cjc cycle and was pretty good. Strength increase after first week. Only did 5mg ed, cant imagine gains on 18 I´m on TRT though, seems to be as supressive as conventional AAS

 

[aovereem]

whats your opinion on MK-677? Thinking of doing a "healing" cycle for the old Patella and using MK, with NPP and maybe osta and tb500

 

[hairygrandpa]

whats your opinion on MK-677? Thinking of doing a "healing" cycle for the old Patella and using MK, with NPP and maybe osta and tb500

IMO, if I would try to heal something in my knees or shoulders, it would be with Deca+Test (deca 12 weeks, test 14). I don't trust in the healing ability's of Osta and MK, even though the tendonitis in my forearms is better, I do not attribute it to MK or Osta but to the "Armaid".
Sincerely, I don't know about NPP or tb500.

I had a bad knee injury myself 28 years ago. Only thing helping is building leg muscles without using bandages or braces.

ye, I used LGD half a year ago as a kicker for a mast/test/cjc cycle and was pretty good. Strength increase after first week. Only did 5mg ed, cant imagine gains on 18 I´m on TRT though, seems to be as supressive as conventional AAS

LGD shuts down, like AAS, but it's oral and not methylated, that's a good thing! Gains are starting to get really good, let's see if I can keep them.

About MK, I'm using it roughly 3 month now at a pretty high dosage, it will get interesting, later on, I guess.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Day: 82
Back/ Biceps

Lat pull down (wide grip)
172 lbs x10
186 lbs x10
202,5 lbs x6 (machine max) PR

Seated row narrow grip
202,5 lbs x10/10/10 (machine max) PR

BB bent over row
165 lbs x10/10/10

Straight arm lat pull down (rope)
85 lbs x6/6 PR
61 lbs x10

assisted Pull ups reverse grip (isometric, 3 seconds hold on top)
-99 lbs x8
-88lbs x7
-55lbs x5

seated Biceps curls machine
120lbs x7/7/6

Pics for comparison:

Here my secret weapon to get rid of the beer belly :

 

[CJNator]

LGD shuts down, like AAS, but it's oral and not methylated, that's a good thing! Gains are starting to get really good, let's see if I can keep them.

About MK, I'm using it roughly 3 month now at a pretty high dosage, it will get interesting, later on, I guess.

Also it doesn't effect the endocrine system so I don't believe it would be permanent if there is no pct but i can be wrong.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Also it doesn't effect the endocrine system so I don't believe it would be permanent if there is no pct but i can be wrong.

I don't wanna find out, lol !
By now my nuts have the size of raisins, at day 100 I'll do a full PCT with either Torem or Nolva and 5mg Ostarine.

 

[kenpoengineer]

Shoulders, arms and chest is more defined. Nice work HG!!

 

[hairygrandpa]

Day: 83
Shoulders

Seated Smith Military Press ( still hate this exercise)
121 lbs x12
132 lbs x8/10

Front raises with Olympic BB + 2x11 lbs plates ( 1 second hold)
6/7/8

DB Lateral raises (1 second hold at top )
27.5 lbsx2 8/9/8

DB Bent-Over Rear Deltoid Raise , with head resting on bench
27.5 lbsx2 8/11/9 (suffering form)

DB Bent-Over 1 Arm Deltoid Raises
38.5 lbs 9/7 (bad form, dropped weight)
27.5 lbs x7 (hold 1 second on top)

Rope Face Pulls (first time doing these suckers, felt awkward)

58.5 lbs 10/10/10
Drop set
47 lbs x8 (3 second hold)
41.5 lbs x14 (3 second hold)

 

[hairygrandpa]

Got flu symptoms yesterday and skipped training, took some Elderberry capsules and went straight to bed.
Already feeling better.
Today and tomorrow are holidays, gym is closed. Will use the time off to sleep more and read a little.

 

[CJNator]

Got flu symptoms yesterday and skipped training, took some Elderberry capsules and went straight to bed.
Already feeling better.
Today and tomorrow are holidays, gym is closed. Will use the time off to sleep more and read a little.

Deep sleep and more sleep with just a little sleep and food always helps

 

[hairygrandpa]

Day: 87 (13 days bulk left)


-Weight before bulk: 216 lbs/ Now: 235 lbs = 19 lbs gain / 5 foot 8 inch
-MK-677 50mg x day split, LGD 12mg x day, 4-AD 2x 200mg

Felt confident today and did all exercises a bit different.


Chest Triceps + Biceps

Dips
16/12 (For me doing 16 dips is awesome, especially weighting 235lbs)

Chest press machine
180lbs 8/7 (tried with more but failed)

Inclined Chest press machine
220 lbs x6
187 lbs x8

Pullover
55lbs x15
66 lbs x9/9/8

Scull crusher
66 lbs x8/9/8

Rope pushdown
62lbs x10
slow motion , 6 second x rep: 37.5lbs x10/ 6

Triceps extension machine
135 lbs x8
slow motion , 6 seconds x rep: 90lbs x8/6

Biceps curl machine
90 lbs x 3
slow motion, 6 seconds x rep: 60lbs x13
fast: 75 lbs x13
slow: 75lbs x 6
fast: 75lbs x 14

 

[kenpoengineer]

All around nice lifting! You are improving with each session! Considering where you started your progress has been awesome!

 

[CJNator]

All around nice lifting! You are improving with each session! Considering where you started your progress has been awesome!

I agree 100% with all that!

 

[hairygrandpa]

Day: 89

Yesterday I visited my farm and found out, that my employees left the property unattended for a day and one cow was free roaming in my plantation.
She ate ALL of the ripe oranges and the growth of one year of my Pitaya plants. I lost one year of careful grooming those plants, they are my future project for self sustaining the farm.

I got so mad, my blood thirsty war-cry was heard for miles. Parrots flew up around me, the dog ran whelping away and all 200 chicken went silent.
The Caretaker and his Family barricaded themselves in their (my) House.
They got off with a warning and a lasting impression of my warrior face.

Today I learned a lesson about the importance of my Central Nervous System while lifting.
I felt like sh*it, lethargic, irritated, fat, ugly, bloated and girly.

But I toughed it out and went to the gym.

Legs + Abs

Seated Leg Press
330lbs x12/12/12

Leg extension
202.5 lbs max weight x14/12/11

Calf rises seated
205lbs x4 (cramp)/8 (cramp)/15

Leg Curls
max weight no idea how much: 20/20/20

Incline sit up max level (4), with 8lbs medicine ball
38/23/18

Incline Broomstick twists
lots of twisting x3


Face:

 

[CJNator]

Day: 89

Yesterday I visited my farm and found out, that my employees left the property unattended for a day and one cow was free roaming in my plantation.
She ate ALL of the ripe oranges and the growth of one year of my Pitaya plants. I lost one year of careful grooming those plants, they are my future project for self sustaining the farm.

I got so mad, my blood thirsty war-cry was heard for miles. Parrots flew up around me, the dog ran whelping away and all 200 chicken went silent.
The Caretaker and his Family barricaded themselves in their (my) House.
They got off with a warning and a lasting impression of my warrior face.

Today I learned a lesson about the importance of my Central Nervous System while lifting.
I felt like sh*it, lethargic, irritated, fat, ugly, bloated and girly.

But I toughed it out and went to the gym.

Legs + Abs

Seated Leg Press
330lbs x12/12/12

Leg extension
202.5 lbs max weight x14/12/11

Calf rises seated
205lbs x4 (cramp)/8 (cramp)/15

Leg Curls
max weight no idea how much: 20/20/20

Incline sit up max level (4), with 8lbs medicine ball
38/23/18

Incline Broomstick twists
lots of twisting x3


Face:

View attachment 119178

Calve cramps are the WORST lol.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Calve cramps are the WORST lol.

I see, you never experienced cramps in your lats, THAT is the worst ! It makes you twisting like a worm and walking like a hunchback, one hand touching the floor.

LOL

 

[CJNator]

I see, you never experienced cramps in your lats, THAT is the worst ! It makes you twisting like a worm and walking like a hunchback, one hand touching the floor.

LOL

Didn't know that happened lol I don't want to know how it feels

 

[hairygrandpa]

Day: 90

Lethargy during the day, force feeding myself. Matcha tea pre-workout did the trick again.

Backday
-In my workouts, I like to compensate bad form after a heavy set with doing lower weight sets, "best form and hold 3 seconds" - or 6 sec. slow motion sets.


Chin ups wide grip (first time trying after elbow injury, it worked!)
4/5/4 (235lbs)

Lat pull down wide grip
202,5 lbs x9 (machine max)
---------------------------------
154 lbs x8/7 (3 sec. hold and squeeze)

Seated row narrow grip
202,5 lbs x10 (machine max)
----------------------------------
154 lbs x8/8 (3 sec. hold and squeeze)

BB bent over row
187 lbs x10
---------------------------------
121 lbs x6/8 (3 sec. hold and squeeze)

One Arm Barbell Rows
Olympic Bar with 55 lbs plates
8/8/8

Straight arm lat pull down (rope)
87 lbs x6 (PR -bad form)
---------------------------------
46 lbs x8/6 ( slow motion 6 sec = 1 rep)

 

[CJNator]

Day: 90

Lethargy during the day, force feeding myself. Matcha tea pre-workout did the trick again.

Backday
-In my workouts, I like to compensate bad form after a heavy set with doing lower weight sets, "best form and hold 3 seconds" - or 6 sec. slow motion sets.


Chin ups wide grip (first time trying after elbow injury, it worked!)
4/5/4 (235lbs)

Lat pull down wide grip
202,5 lbs x9 (machine max)
---------------------------------
154 lbs x8/7 (3 sec. hold and squeeze)

Seated row narrow grip
202,5 lbs x10 (machine max)
----------------------------------
154 lbs x8/8 (3 sec. hold and squeeze)

BB bent over row
187 lbs x10
---------------------------------
121 lbs x6/8 (3 sec. hold and squeeze)

One Arm Barbell Rows
Olympic Bar with 55 lbs plates
8/8/8

Straight arm lat pull down (rope)
87 lbs x6 (PR -bad form)
---------------------------------
46 lbs x8/6 ( slow motion 6 sec = 1 rep)

Arent you on a test base?

 

[hairygrandpa]

Arent you on a test base?

Yes, but got lethargic again...
Wonder how your LGD experience will be, it could be just me experiencing this.

 

[CJNator]

Yes, but got lethargic again...
Wonder how your LGD experience will be, it could be just me experiencing this.

How about upping your test bases dose? Do you think that would work? Also I'll see next bottle. What's your pct going to look like? I'm making mine as awesome as I can lol.

 

[hairygrandpa]

How about upping your test bases dose? Do you think that would work? Also I'll see next bottle. What's your pct going to look like? I'm making mine as awesome as I can lol.

Yesterday I took 0.5 mg Anastrozole (Arimidex), guessing that my test base aromatized and high Estro is to blame for my lethargy, nipples were a bit sensitive too, but could be imagination. Will up the dose of 4-AD if lethargy persists.

PCT is Torem or Nolva for at least 4 weeks with 5-8mg Ostarine, DAA and L-Dopa the last 2 weeks. Ostarine at 20mg did not shut me down, even after a month, so I'm using it in PCT at low dosage.

 

[CJNator]

Yesterday I took 0.5 mg Anastrozole (Arimidex), guessing that my test base aromatized and high Estro is to blame for my lethargy, nipples were a bit sensitive too, but could be imagination. Will up the dose of 4-AD if lethargy persists.

PCT is Torem or Nolva for at least 4 weeks with 5-8mg Ostarine, DAA and L-Dopa the last 2 weeks. Ostarine at 20mg did not shut me down, even after a month, so I'm using it in PCT at low dosage.

That is possible, I would have never thought of that. For the PCT look at BLRs Viron, it raises test so highnin some if not most individuals your estrogen rises too but your SERM would combat that. I hope the arimidex helps you out.

 

[hairygrandpa]

That is possible, I would have never thought of that. For the PCT look at BLRs Viron, it raises test so highnin some if not most individuals your estrogen rises too but your SERM would combat that. I hope the arimidex helps you out.

I use Exemestane in PCT, Arimidex only in cycle.
Science is my passion.
I'm currently preparing solutions for oral delivery of Myo Inositol TrisPyroPhosphate for my upcoming cutting cycle.
This compound enhances uptake of oxygen by 60%, ideal for cardio.
My personal lab is full of machines, like shakers, stirrers, ultrasonic mixers and stuff.

 

[CJNator]

I use Exemestane in PCT, Arimidex only in cycle.
Science is my passion.
I'm currently preparing solutions for oral delivery of Myo Inositol TrisPyroPhosphate for my upcoming cutting cycle.
This compound enhances uptake of oxygen by 60%, ideal for cardio.
My personal lab is full of machines, like shakers, stirrers, ultrasonic mixers and stuff.

Oh ****! Lol you're past supplements, that sounds awesome as ****! Will you log it and if you don't keep me up to how it helps you!

 

[hairygrandpa]

Hehehehe.

I prepare most stuff "do it yourself style" now. Got today raw material of Ibutamoren, Ostarine, Tianeptine too, will prepare sublingual solutions over the next days.

Breaking bad:

Yes, I will log my cutting cycle using GW and Myo Inositol TrisPyroPhosphate.

 

[CJNator]

Hehehehe.

I prepare most stuff "do it yourself style" now. Got today raw material of Ibutamoren, Ostarine, Tianeptine too, will prepare sublingual solutions over the next days.

Breaking bad:

View attachment 119262

Yes, I will lock my cutting cycle using GW and Myo Inositol TrisPyroPhosphate.

Damn that sounds awesome lol can't wait to see how that's is for you, why not throw in some albuterol too?,

 

[hairygrandpa]

Damn that sounds awesome lol can't wait to see how that's is for you, why not throw in some albuterol too?,

Clen and albuterol makes me shaky. ITPP (Myo Inositol TrisPyroPhosphate) by itself promises to be a hell of a ride. Look it up.

An hour ago I sampled my first batch of Tianeptine sub lingual, to fight my lethargy and to see if its a good addition to pre-workout.

Lethargy is gone, mood is up !

 

[CJNator]

Clen and albuterol makes me shaky. ITPP (Myo Inositol TrisPyroPhosphate) by itself promises to be a hell of a ride. Look it up.

An hour ago I sampled my first batch of Tianeptine sub lingual, to fight my lethargy and to see if its a good addition to pre-workout.

Lethargy is gone, mood is up !

That sounds great I'll look it up.

 

[Joedoubledose]

HG do you create your own Raws or import them ? That's pretty cool you make your own stuff

 

[hairygrandpa]

HG do you create your own Raws or import them ? That's pretty cool you make your own stuff

Ebay has a lot of goodies but I'm sure that designer supplements still have their merits, you simply can't do all by yourself and get the mixed compounds stable.
I have some experience in mixing stuff (will not use the word: Biochemistry, would be far fetched), here where I live, I'm a renown maker of e-liquids and naturalistic medicine.

 

[Joedoubledose]

That's very cool ! Plus I'm sure it's saves you good $$$