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[southpaw23]

Time is not credible, they make youtube videos. Listen to Southpaw for a change!

Here is what you fail to understand, Time magazine is a journalistic publication that's been around for a long time, whereas you post videos by one or two guys with an opinion. You don't see the difference? Who vets their information for accuracy?

 

[carpee]

Because I fully expect that to be your position. You'll post a video with a guy who's about 1000 years old, I'll repost something from an accredited source that you'll subsequently dismiss as being part of some liberal/corporate propaganda. AX will then post a video that also happens to be the trailer for the movie Independence Day and around and around we go.

I'm not looking for the go-around...I'm asking you to directly refute what I posted.

I don't care who stated it, what is happening here regarding that list of 6 items is eerily close to what Stalin, Mao, Chavez and Castro have done. Clearly...tell me how that is wrong?

 

[EasyEJL]

Did I not post a link to an interview with an actual "high ranking" admiral involved in capturing Bin Laden? That was dismissed by AX in favor of the trailer from Total Recall and I didn't see you defending that position? Just for the record, even if we all disagree and by that I mean 99% of the board versus my opinions, I still respect everyone here as men, period.

I keep popping in and out, only read bits and pieces But again, a high level admiral is one who has a vested interest in toeing the line that he is told to by his superiors vs someone at a lower level. The worst they'll do to an infantryman is dishonorable discharge. An admiral nearing retirement loses piles of pension from something like that....

Granted a lot of the videos are comical, but that doesn't mean they are all wrong.

 

[southpaw23]

I'm not looking for the go-around...I'm asking you to directly refute what I posted.

I don't care who stated it, what is happening here regarding that list of 6 items is eerily close to what Stalin, Mao, Chavez and Castro have done. Clearly...tell me how that is wrong?

Here is why you and I have diverging opinions. I do care about the sources and who stated them.

 

[southpaw23]

I keep popping in and out, only read bits and pieces But again, a high level admiral is one who has a vested interest in toeing the line that he is told to by his superiors vs someone at a lower level. The worst they'll do to an infantryman is dishonorable discharge. An admiral nearing retirement loses piles of pension from something like that....

Granted a lot of the videos are comical, but that doesn't mean they are all wrong.

Noted.

 

[EasyEJL]

Here is what you fail to understand, Time magazine is a journalistic publication that's been around for a long time, whereas you post videos by one or two guys with an opinion. You don't see the difference? Who vets their information for accuracy?

time has a huge vested interest in terms of profits and shareholders to not place themselves in a position where they get investigated, pressured, have computers + files taken by an FBI investigation, etc. who vets time's information for accuracy? Other journalists in the exact same position?

also Time like EVERY other commercial publication/news no longer is a journalistic source. They are infotainment, the only goal is selling more issues/ad space, not disseminating truth. granted with a lot of the kooks making videos their only goal is to be relevant

 

[carpee]

Here is why you and I have diverging opinions. I do care about the sources and who stated them.

you sir could be a politician...for your excellent skills in avoiding the question and discrediting your opposition.

 

[southpaw23]

time has a huge vested interest in terms of profits and shareholders to not place themselves in a position where they get investigated, pressured, have computers + files taken by an FBI investigation, etc. who vets time's information for accuracy? Other journalists in the exact same position?

also Time like EVERY other commercial publication/news no longer is a journalistic source. They are infotainment, the only goal is selling more issues/ad space, not disseminating truth. granted with a lot of the kooks making videos their only goal is to be relevant

I know, I know. My responses and sources will be dismissed with excuses and/or explained away. I then turn around and contend that just because Joe Smith made a video and posted it on youtube, doesn't necessarily portray an accurate picture of the story, just merely his/their social view/position on a subject, someone will come in and tell me I follow corp sponsored publications/outlets and around and around we go. It is what it is.

 

[youngandfree]

If ever implemented, I dont think the decision will be up to you, lol

The decision will always be up to you. You have to decide if you believe in the bible or decide to take the mark of the beast.

 

[southpaw23]

time has a huge vested interest in terms of profits and shareholders to not place themselves in a position where they get investigated, pressured, have computers + files taken by an FBI investigation, etc. who vets time's information for accuracy? Other journalists in the exact same position?

also Time like EVERY other commercial publication/news no longer is a journalistic source. They are infotainment, the only goal is selling more issues/ad space, not disseminating truth. granted with a lot of the kooks making videos their only goal is to be relevant

^^^ Fair assessment even if we disagree.

 

[youngandfree]

Southpaw doesnt refute anything. He just mocks you and avoids the question, much like Robert Gibbs did and now Jay Carney

 

[southpaw23]

Southpaw doesnt refute anything. He just mocks you and avoids the question, much like Robert Gibbs did and now Jay Carney

^^^ Or the more likely answer, I just refuse to engage some people because their responses don't warrant, or interest me enough.

 

[EasyEJL]

I know, I know. My responses and sources will be dismissed with excuses and/or explained away. I then turn around and contend that just because Joe Smith made a video and posted it on youtube, doesn't necessarily portray an accurate picture of the story, just merely his/their social view/position on a subject, someone will come in and tell me I follow corp sponsored publications/outlets and around and around we go. It is what it is.

overall to me its pretty similar to politicians. They all are trying to fcuk us, they just have different marketing for it. Same with journalism, you can't particularly trust any journalistic source regardless of who it is

 

[ax1]

Here is what you fail to understand, Time magazine is a journalistic publication that's been around for a long time, whereas you post videos by one or two guys with an opinion. You don't see the difference? Who vets their information for accuracy?

I post real bills, congressional testimony, executive orders, declassified federal documents, military testimony,

You post Time Magazine.

You blow direct sources off and cling to corporate publications.

I do see a big difference.

 

[southpaw23]

I post real bills, congressional testimony, executive orders, declassified federal documents, military testimony,

You post Time Magazine.

You blow direct sources off and cling to corporate publications.

I do see a big difference.

And none of it is actually tangible, AX. You claim that the government is amassing an army and stockpiling weapons, and to support this you'll take a line or two from a video that is specifically built around this claim because some guy got up at a podium and raised a question. How can I refute anything that you post when it's basically the script for Star Wars? Of course you believe that sh*t, no offense.

 

[southpaw23]

overall to me its pretty similar to politicians. They all are trying to fcuk us, they just have different marketing for it. Same with journalism, you can't particularly trust any journalistic source regardless of who it is

Agreed 100%.

 

[ax1]

And none of it is actually tangible, AX. You claim that the government is amassing an army and stockpiling weapons, and to support this you'll take a line or two from a video that is specifically built around this claim because some guy got up at a podium and raised a question. How can I refute anything that you post when it's basically the script for Star Wars? Of course you believe that sh*t, no offense.

Read the budgets and not time magazine. You will find your answers there. The guy on the podium I backed up with a bill that passed. It wasn't written by Chester, and it wasn't written by Time magazine. It's law.

This is just the internetz dude, you have to do some of your own homework I can't possibly post everything especially since you have openly acknowledge your lack of interest.

 

[southpaw23]

Read the budgets and not time magazine. You will find your answers there. The guy on the podium I backed up with a bill that passed. It wasn't written by Chester, and it wasn't written by Time magazine. It's law.

This is just the internetz dude, you have to do some of your own homework I can't possibly post everything especially since you have openly acknowledge your lack of interest.

Lol@ lack of knowledge comment. Your area of expertise is of the tinfoil variety. And to further your point, yes, I have no interest in it, apart from the comedic aspects.

 

[ax1]

Lol@ lack of knowledge comment. Your area of expertise is of the tinfoil variety. And to further your point, yes, I have no interest in it, apart from the comedic aspects.

I have no expertise or knowledge. I'm posting bills and executive orders the answers are there for you to interpret, which your not even going to try. Let Time magazine tell you how it is.

 

[ax1]

Lol@ lack of knowledge comment. Your area of expertise is of the tinfoil variety. And to further your point, yes, I have no interest in it, apart from the comedic aspects.

Here are some more "comedic aspects" for you that Time Magazine has refused to cover. So there, hahaha just posting this so you get some kicks and laughs knowing your freedoms are incrementally dissipating and its really funny.

Just a warning, my source is from the White House, and not Time Magazine so its all Chester tinfoil in my books as I usually post. Time magazine did well ignoring the new authority Obama has granted himself and the military as well as future presidents to assert all and every means of human survival available for confiscation and control including taking you against your will to forced labor in the means of "national security."

Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness
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Some highlights since I know your not going to read bills and orders that pass, but rely on Time to inform you on whats important.

Section 201 – Priorities and Allocations Authorities,” the EO explains that the authority for the actions described in the opening paragraph rests with the President but is now delegated to the various Secretaries of the U.S. Federal Government. The list of delegations and the responsibility of the Secretaries as provided in this section are as follows:

(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;
(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;
(3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;
(4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;
(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and
(6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.

And

Sec. 601. Secretary of Labor. (a) The Secretary of Labor, in coordination with the Secretary of Defense and the heads of other agencies, as deemed appropriate by the Secretary of Labor, shall:

(1) collect and maintain data necessary to make a continuing appraisal of the Nation's workforce needs for purposes of national defense;
(2) upon request by the Director of Selective Service, and in coordination with the Secretary of Defense, assist the Director of Selective Service in development of policies regulating the induction and deferment of persons for duty in the armed services;
(3) upon request from the head of an agency with authority under this order, consult with that agency with respect to: (i) the effect of contemplated actions on labor demand and utilization; (ii) the relation of labor demand to materials and facilities requirements; and (iii) such other matters as will assist in making the exercise of priority and allocations functions consistent with effective utilization and distribution of labor;


hahaha...comedy at its finest dont you love this tinfoil crap!!! hahaha

 

[southpaw23]

Here are some more "comedic aspects" for you that Time Magazine has refused to cover. So there, hahaha just posting this so you get some kicks and laughs knowing your freedoms are incrementally dissipating and its really funny.

Just a warning, my source is from the White House, and not Time Magazine so its all Chester tinfoil in my books as I usually post. Time magazine did well ignoring the new authority Obama has granted himself and the military as well as future presidents to assert all and every means of human survival available for confiscation and control including taking you against your will to forced labor in the means of "national security."

Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness
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Some highlights since I know your not going to read bills and orders that pass, but rely on Time to inform you on whats important.

Section 201 – Priorities and Allocations Authorities,” the EO explains that the authority for the actions described in the opening paragraph rests with the President but is now delegated to the various Secretaries of the U.S. Federal Government. The list of delegations and the responsibility of the Secretaries as provided in this section are as follows:

(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;
(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;
(3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;
(4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;
(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and
(6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.

And

Sec. 601. Secretary of Labor. (a) The Secretary of Labor, in coordination with the Secretary of Defense and the heads of other agencies, as deemed appropriate by the Secretary of Labor, shall:

(1) collect and maintain data necessary to make a continuing appraisal of the Nation's workforce needs for purposes of national defense;
(2) upon request by the Director of Selective Service, and in coordination with the Secretary of Defense, assist the Director of Selective Service in development of policies regulating the induction and deferment of persons for duty in the armed services;
(3) upon request from the head of an agency with authority under this order, consult with that agency with respect to: (i) the effect of contemplated actions on labor demand and utilization; (ii) the relation of labor demand to materials and facilities requirements; and (iii) such other matters as will assist in making the exercise of priority and allocations functions consistent with effective utilization and distribution of labor;


hahaha...comedy at its finest dont you love this tinfoil crap!!! hahaha

Based on the bold, what's your point/WIDE INTERPRETATION?

 

[EasyEJL]

Based on the bold, what's your point/WIDE INTERPRETATION?

it gives the president the power to institute a draft to run farms, work on production lines, etc. It also allows the president to seize any business in the name of national defense needs.

 

[southpaw23]

it gives the president the power to institute a draft to run farms, work on production lines, etc. It also allows the president to seize any business in the name of national defense needs.

In the event of what though and that's my point. The likelihood of ANY of these things actually occurring are marginal at best.

 

[Geoforce]

1. Nationalize major sectors of the economy
2. Redistribute wealth -this is Obamacare
3. Discredit opposition - Pro lifers, evangelicals, conservatives are deemed a threat.
4. Censors opposing viewpoints
5. Control gun ownership - UN Small arms treaty push.
6. Develop a constabulary force to control civilian population - Obama campaigned on having his own private force as well funded, as strong, and powerful as the US army.

My only issue with this is it paints the picture as only happening on the left. The right is equally as guilty as doing these things with a slightly different flavor of big government. If these 6 things bother you you cannot possibly support Republican candidates of the last 30 years as they are just as likely to do these things as Democrats. Same wolf, different letters. Both sides are champions of big government who long to control you. The fact that they may do it in slightly different ways is irrelevant.

 

[EasyEJL]

In the event of what though and that's my point. The likelihood of ANY of these things actually occurring are marginal at best.

when he feels its important for national defense. Thats it. No criteria, just his belief. And given executive priviledge, that means he doesn't have to even justify it to congress.

(c) be prepared, in the event of a potential threat
to the security of the United States, to take actions necessary to ensure the
availability of adequate resources and production capability, including services
and critical technology, for national defense requirements;

(d) improve the efficiency and responsiveness of
the domestic industrial base to support national defense requirements; and

look what "threats" have been used to justify military actions in the last few decades? and just the "improve the efficiency and responsiveness of the domestic industrial base" means no reason at all.

 

[ax1]

In the event of what though and that's my point. The likelihood of ANY of these things actually occurring are marginal at best.

In the event of "national security" which is basically undefined.

Question to ask is and something I cant answer with certainty is, why would they go through all the trouble in such a time of crisis our country is going through (and global crisis as well) to pass such a law?

I am certain that that the executive order violates individual freedom to choose (you can choose prison I guess like Vietnam) and individual rights to their own private property and their own right to personal resources (well water, solar, vegetable garden, etc...).

 

[Gutterpump]

I was actually starting to side with Ron Paul...... till I found out he's a Creationist.

Romney and Obama are very similar, except that Romney likes to tie his dog to the roof of his car, pretty telling of his personality for someone to do something like that I think... you have to be pretty stupid in some ways or lack common sense to do something like that.

In a tough situation, I would trust Obama more-so over the other candidates - he has more common sense and is very intelligent. Republicans are lacking and have no great candidates.. their party has been degrading bit by bit as of late. The primaries were a very good example of that. Very difficult to watch.

 

[southpaw23]

In the event of "national security" which is basically undefined.

Question to ask is and something I cant answer with certainty is, why would they go through all the trouble in such a time of crisis our country is going through (and global crisis as well) to pass such a law?

I am certain that that the executive order violates individual freedom to choose (you can choose prison I guess like Vietnam) and individual rights to their own private property and their own right to personal resources (well water, solar, vegetable garden, etc...).

Look until we're in the midst of an alien invasion, relax, sit back and have some ice cream, or since we're on a fitness board some protein paste.

 

[EasyEJL]

he has more common sense and is very intelligent.

whew, he has good marketing, and good speech writers. not common sense, and i'm not all that sure about intelligence either.

 

[ax1]

Look until we're in the midst of an alien invasion, relax, sit back and have some ice cream, or since we're on a fitness board some protein paste.

Having a draft at the disposal of an executive order is a serious threat to us and our freedoms. You do realize a national security purpose can be as simple as an "alien" invasion in Iran in the coming months and Obama declaring it "national security" should they say they need some proposed labor and resources.

Do I think it will bill be implemented in reality? I dont know....but the incremental dissemination of our freedoms that are supposed to be protected by our Constitution is a negative trend and just one of many, so many aspects how our government is both corrupt, bought out and getting out of control.

Do I sit back and relax? Of course, I hope I dont come across as a paranoid schizophrenic I really love life as well as my protein paste, lol. We really have it good here in America and I love this country, that doesnt mean I have to love my government of course.

Im just an activist and like to dedicate some of my free time daily informing myself as well as others both online and in person, as well as being involved in my local community where I can help be more of an impact.

 

[Geoforce]

whew, he has good marketing, and good speech writers. not common sense, and i'm not all that sure about intelligence either.

I'm sure he's a smart enough guy, but intelligence does not always mean a good leader. I'm sure Obama and Romney are both much smarter than the average American, but I'm not sure either of them would do as well in office as the average American!

 

[southpaw23]

Having a draft at the disposal of an executive order is a serious threat to us and our freedoms. You do realize a national security purpose can be as simple as an "alien" invasion in Iran in the coming months and Obama declaring it "national security" should they say they need some proposed labor and resources.

Do I think it will bill be implemented in reality? I dont know....but the incremental dissemination of our freedoms that are supposed to be protected by our Constitution is a negative trend and just one of many, so many aspects how our government is both corrupt, bought out and getting out of control.

Do I sit back and relax? Of course, I hope I dont come across as a paranoid schizophrenic I really love life as well as my protein paste, lol. We really have it good here in America and I love this country, that doesnt mean I have to love my government of course.

Im just an activist and like to dedicate some of my free time daily informing myself as well as others both online and in person, as well as being involved in my local community where I can help be more of an impact.

Respect.

 

[EasyEJL]

Im just an activist and like to dedicate some of my free time daily informing myself as well as others both online and in person, as well as being involved in my local community where I can help be more of an impact.

i work with dog rescues. its more rewarding, even bad dogs aren't such @ssholes as people

 

[Gutterpump]

I'm sure he's a smart enough guy, but intelligence does not always mean a good leader. I'm sure Obama and Romney are both much smarter than the average American, but I'm not sure either of them would do as well in office as the average American!

That's why I was beginning to really feel Ron Paul, especially since he wants to focus on our infrastructure here..but I just can't get past the creationism aspect, although I know it likely has little bearing on politics. The US definitely needs a 3rd party.

 

[Clemenza]

That's why I was beginning to really feel Ron Paul, especially since he wants to focus on our infrastructure here..but I just can't get past the creationism aspect, although I know it likely has little bearing on politics. The US definitely needs a 3rd party.

There will never be a third party unfortunately.

The two parties right now are one in the same. Two sides of the same coin. A charade.

Also, mark my words. If obama wins a second term, watch him eliminate term limits. He will be president for life.

 

[carpee]

My only issue with this is it paints the picture as only happening on the left. The right is equally as guilty as doing these things with a slightly different flavor of big government. If these 6 things bother you you cannot possibly support Republican candidates of the last 30 years as they are just as likely to do these things as Democrats. Same wolf, different letters. Both sides are champions of big government who long to control you. The fact that they may do it in slightly different ways is irrelevant.

I haven't supported republicans...

I'm against Marxism from either side and you are correct "progressivism" has plagued both sides.

 

[Geoforce]

Also, mark my words. If obama wins a second term, watch him eliminate term limits. He will be president for life.

Lol, this has no chance of happening. I would place any sum of money I could get my hands on to bet the opposite.

 

[MuscleGauge1]

I think that we need a real change in this country and I'm not sure who's its going to come from. We really need someone to step up and make a difference in our country

 

[ax1]

Lol, this has no chance of happening. I would place any sum of money I could get my hands on to bet the opposite.

They dont need to do that...they can replace Obama with Jeb Bush in 4 years and still be on the same plan.

I think that we need a real change in this country and I'm not sure who's its going to come from. We really need someone to step up and make a difference in our country

Aliens.

There will never be a third party unfortunately.

The two parties right now are one in the same. Two sides of the same coin. A charade.

Also, mark my words. If obama wins a second term, watch him eliminate term limits. He will be president for life.

Having a 3rd party will only equate to the edge 3rd side of the coin.

Ban on parties and not be on any part of the coin is the way to go.

 

[ax1]

They dont need to do that...they can replace Obama with Jeb Bush in 4 years and still be on the same plan.

The illusion of competition and democracy has been the key success for the Republicrats maintaining power all these 100+ years.

 

[Clemenza]

Lol, this has no chance of happening. I would place any sum of money I could get my hands on to bet the opposite.

Why not? Look at all the things they have gotten away with over the passed ten years. Twenty years ago we would have said, "patting down kids in wheelchairs getting on an airplane... lol that'll never happen!!"

Not to mention the mayor if nyc extended his term limits last election.

Don't be so naive

 

[ax1]

Why not? Look at all the things they have gotten away with over the passed ten years. Twenty years ago we would have said, "patting down kids in wheelchairs getting on an airplane... lol that'll never happen!!"

Not to mention the mayor if nyc extended his term limits last election.

Don't be so naive

Its certainly possible, but why? There would be no reason the executive is already monopolized by the financees.

It is far easier on them if you give people an illusion of choice.

 

[Clemenza]

Its certainly possible, but why? There would be no reason the executive is already monopolized by the financees.

It is far easier on them if you give people an illusion of choice.

That's a very good point. Unless his chicago ultra liberals become so power hungry and plan to become more powerful than the big bank controllers.

Especially now that it seems most big bank money is flowing to romney this time around

 

[ax1]

That's a very good point. Unless his chicago ultra liberals become so power hungry and plan to become more powerful than the big bank controllers.

Especially now that it seems most big bank money is flowing to romney this time around

Obama is not a Liberal so I dont see that picture happening.

Keep in mind too, Obama has openly supported handing the Federal Reserve even greater powers than ever before so It doesnt appear there is an attempt at a power grab.

Obama had 1 Billion+ dollars for his campaign earlier (or last year?)....they finance both its how Republicrat power is maintained for eternity.

 

[AE14]

The decision will always be up to you. You have to decide if you believe in the bible or decide to take the mark of the beast.

Oy vey.... Here we go

 

[Clemenza]

Obama is not a Liberal so I dont see that picture happening.

Keep in mind too, Obama has openly supported handing the Federal Reserve even greater powers than ever before so It doesnt appear there is an attempt at a power grab.

Obama had 1 Billion+ dollars for his campaign earlier (or last year?)....they finance both its how Republicrat power is maintained for eternity.

If not liberal, then marxist anti american. Revisionary. Social leftist. Progressive (regressive). All at heart.

But once a president gets into office, all of his beliefs take a backseat to the feds initiatives.

Imo

 

[Clemenza]

If not liberal, then marxist anti american. Revisionary. Social leftist. Progressive (regressive). All at heart.

But once a president gets into office, all of his beliefs take a backseat to the feds initiatives.

Imo

I believe it's his and axelrods/rahm emanuals intention to break away from even the feds established order, nwo whatever you call it, and become even more powerful than the fed. With the help of leftist soros billions of dollars this can be done.

And eventually destroy america

 

[ax1]

If not liberal, then marxist anti american. Revisionary. Social leftist. Progressive (regressive). All at heart.

But once a president gets into office, all of his beliefs take a backseat to the feds initiatives.

Imo

Based on his support for the military industrial complex and wars, police state domestic infrastructure, corporate mandated insurance, rewarding the banks for screwing the American people, would you agree with me that he is a banker corporatist fascist criminal?

 

[Clemenza]

I believe it's his and axelrods/rahm emanuals intention to break away from even the feds established order, nwo whatever you call it, and become even more powerful than the fed. With the help of leftist soros billions of dollars this can be done.

And eventually destroy america

These men are die hard leftist revisionary ideologues.

The fed and rockefeller s intentions are to secure the majority of the worlds wealth.

Again, imo

 

[Clemenza]

Based on his support for the military industrial complex and wars, police state domestic infrastructure, corporate mandated insurance, rewarding the banks for screwing the American people, would you agree with me that he is a banker corporatist fascist criminal?

Definitely. But these things he must do bc they are not in his control. If he was in total control he'd pull troops out if afghanistan and put them in white suburbia