Nutrient partitioning/GDA's

rippedbrah said:
The original genomyx slin sane is my favorite, hopefully nutra will stock up on the re-release
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It was the only gda i tried and its the reason i am very sceptical to try another.It did zero for me.One of the least effective supps i tried
 
uubiduu said:
It was the only gda i tried and its the reason i am very sceptical to try another.It did zero for me.One of the least effective supps i tried
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Give it another go my man

Recompadrol is the most potent on the market at 1 serving. Half a serving is super potent and can control glucose at 75-110g carbs easily!

Damage control it's a different story.

Metabolic powder is specifically made to be used with recompadrol for the utmost protection again a CHEAT DAY, refeed, or cheat meal.

There's a protocol for all!
 
pectus said:
Gda's insulin mimiker and "partitioning" agents is a subject I like..
BUT for my experience it depends on what you search: If you want the best from the food (carbs primarily) you need something that amplify ..enhance the food ingestion. LIKE if you whant to max imize your intake and use the insuline like a anabolic strong signal . You will take the best for muscles and for fat too.
Nothing of nutrient on food will be lost. So if you intake caloric level is high you will be with better musclee feed and better fat feed too.

Another thing is the "GDA" used for different goals: DAMAGE control for cheat meal or to allow more carbs without become too fat .

I think that Recompadrol is perfect for damage control and lfor BULK too .

What i'm searching (and not found yet and speaking primarily of damage control and see myself really dry..) is a substitute of the old GENOMIX SlinSane (1st version)

SO im ok for bulking:
R-ALA + Cinnamon + 4 hydroxyisoleucine + D pintinol + (in way... Gymnema S.) ... And recompadrol too is good even for bulk.

For damage control (or allow MORE carb every day ) I like Recompadrol and I'd like a substitute for the old Slin Sane (1st version..discontinued).

IS SNS GLYCOPHASE a good supplement to emulate the old slinsane?
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rippedbrah said:
The original genomyx slin sane is my favorite, hopefully nutra will stock up on the re-release
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uubiduu said:
It was the only gda i tried and its the reason i am very sceptical to try another.It did zero for me.One of the least effective supps i tried
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......
 
pectus said:
Gda's insulin mimiker and "partitioning" agents is a subject I like..
BUT for my experience it depends on what you search: If you want the best from the food (carbs primarily) you need something that amplify ..enhance the food ingestion. LIKE if you whant to max imize your intake and use the insuline like a anabolic strong signal . You will take the best for muscles and for fat too.
Nothing of nutrient on food will be lost. So if you intake caloric level is high you will be with better musclee feed and better fat feed too.

Another thing is the "GDA" used for different goals: DAMAGE control for cheat meal or to allow more carbs without become too fat .

I think that Recompadrol is perfect for damage control and lfor BULK too .

What i'm searching (and not found yet and speaking primarily of damage control and see myself really dry..) is a substitute of the old GENOMIX SlinSane (1st version)

SO im ok for bulking:
R-ALA + Cinnamon + 4 hydroxyisoleucine + D pintinol + (in way... Gymnema S.) ... And recompadrol too is good even for bulk.

For damage control (or allow MORE carb every day ) I like Recompadrol and I'd like a substitute for the old Slin Sane (1st version..discontinued).

IS SNS GLYCOPHASE a good supplement to emulate the old slinsane?
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Theoretically, Pslin is the answer to your question as the formulas are pretty much identical. BUT Pslin was my all-time favorite and slinsane did literally nothing for me even at double and triple doses, so even that isn't a guarantee (which I found out the hard way after buying like 5 bottles of a supplement that didn't work for me assuming it would be the same). Everyone responds differently to different compounds, so it will be hard to know what will replace something for one person. You could try glycophase as it's on sale, recompadrol as it's also on sale and many (including myself) have found it to be one of the best (and 90-180 doses for 30 bucks), or a bulk product to save money (yellow gold, banaba, na-r-ala even though it's expensive even in bulk). Sorry there isn't a better answer to your question, but that is probably the most accurate.

Best,
Tyler
 
tyrub42 said:
How do you feel Na-r-ala works as a GDA? I have 100g waiting for me in NY next time I go to visit. I am pretty excited to try it for all of the benefits :)
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I personally just use a couple grams ala not sodium bonded. Cheap and effective
 
tyrub42 said:
Theoretically, Pslin is the answer to your question as the formulas are pretty much identical. BUT Pslin was my all-time favorite and slinsane did literally nothing for me even at double and triple doses, so even that isn't a guarantee (which I found out the hard way after buying like 5 bottles of a supplement that didn't work for me assuming it would be the same). Everyone responds differently to different compounds, so it will be hard to know what will replace something for one person. You could try glycophase as it's on sale, recompadrol as it's also on sale and many (including myself) have found it to be one of the best (and 90-180 doses for 30 bucks), or a bulk product to save money (yellow gold, banaba, na-r-ala even though it's expensive even in bulk). Sorry there isn't a better answer to your question, but that is probably the most accurate.

Best,
Tyler
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Thanks you.. Pslin with added some l-norvaline... and in theory it'sthe same !
I'll try for sure GlycoPhase ...
 
EBF Inc said:
Or use recompadrol with na r ala. problem solved
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Tu use it (RECOMPADROL.. that I LOVE IT) for recomp and damage control I HAVE to avoid ALA and R-ala -

R ala and ALA are for my like a multiplier of caloric intake ..
It's like to ingest 2000 kcal and use 4000! (just to say..)
Then if I'm post work -out OR with depleted glycogen is OK
FOR damage control NO.
 
pectus said:
Tu use it (RECOMPADROL.. that I LOVE IT) for recomp and damage control I HAVE to avoid ALA and R-ala -

R ala and ALA are for my like a multiplier of caloric intake ..
It's like to ingest 2000 kcal and use 4000! (just to say..)
Then if I'm post work -out OR with depleted glycogen is OK
FOR damage control NO.
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Na r ala makes you put on fat?
 
tyrub42 said:
Na r ala makes you put on fat?
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Like ALL GDA's ... a double edged sword.

With Gda's THERE is NO scientific evidence that nutrients are directed MORE in muscle than adipocytes.

SO if there is MORE caloric intake than expenditure the excess will go to fat.

1)The only moment where muscles are more "receptive" than fat tissue is POST-WO.
2)The only situation where a caloric surplus can be stored in muscles and less in fat is maybe when MUSCLES are DEPLETED.

In my experience ALA (and R-ALA) is fantastic to drive nutrients to cells . (and in my case I feel ALA more potent -if used in high quantity- than isomer R-)
cells = muscles cells OR fat cells. How much will go in fat or muscles it depends on 1) and 2) situations.

For damage control OR supplemets that ALLOW more carb intake (without store too fat) there are product where ingredients are ALSO "carb blocker" or where not all complex carbs are converter in glucose.

Gymnema is an example . It can be a multiplier or a "detractor" .

These supplements are always called "GDA"... but (always in MY opinion ) the need to be called in a another WAY.

Then there is the dependent variable of the diet of the moment (in bulk or cut or isocaloric)... and a same GDA can act different.

In my body and my experience I can distinguish between supplents that has in it ALA or not.
with ALA and I gain weight
without and I loose.

For this reason I do not like the new SLinSane V2.

Another example: Recompadrol (I love it)
if I'm in isocaloric diet and I have a wedding party(megacaloric and with many carbs) , I do a work-out then:
-if I use 3 caps of recompadrol the day later i'm the same wehight
-if I use 3 caps and I add 1-1,5g of ALA the next day I'm 2 or 3 lbs MORE.
 
pectus said:
Like ALL GDA's ... a double edged sword.

With Gda's THERE is NO scientific evidence that nutrients are directed MORE in muscle than adipocytes.

SO if there is MORE caloric intake than expenditure the excess will go to fat.

1)The only moment where muscles are more "receptive" than fat tissue is POST-WO.
2)The only situation where a caloric surplus can be stored in muscles and less in fat is maybe when MUSCLES are DEPLETED.

In my experience ALA (and R-ALA) is fantastic to drive nutrients to cells . (and in my case I feel ALA more potent -if used in high quantity- than isomer R-)
cells = muscles cells OR fat cells. How much will go in fat or muscles it depends on 1) and 2) situations.

For damage control OR supplemets that ALLOW more carb intake (without store too fat) there are product where ingredients are ALSO "carb blocker" or where not all complex carbs are converter in glucose.

Gymnema is an example . It can be a multiplier or a "detractor" .

These supplements are always called "GDA"... but (always in MY opinion ) the need to be called in a another WAY.

Then there is the dependent variable of the diet of the moment (in bulk or cut or isocaloric)... and a same GDA can act different.

In my body and my experience I can distinguish between supplents that has in it ALA or not.
with ALA and I gain weight
without and I loose.

For this reason I do not like the new SLinSane V2.

Another example: Recompadrol (I love it)
if I'm in isocaloric diet and I have a wedding party(megacaloric and with many carbs) , I do a work-out then:
-if I use 3 caps of recompadrol the day later i'm the same wehight
-if I use 3 caps and I add 1-1,5g of ALA the next day I'm 2 or 3 lbs MORE.
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Interesting. How do you like straight berberine?
 
tyrub42 said:
Interesting. How do you like straight berberine?
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Never used alone. Only in recompadrol.

1) Phellodendron-->BARBERINE,
Lagerstroemia speciosa -- Banaba Extract --> corosolic acid
Gymnema Sylvestra (75% Extract) ----->gymnemic acid
salacia reticulata and garcina cambigia
are (in my opinion) all good for carb control and in a way damage control in cheat meals

2) ALA (r-ala), D-Pinitol, Cinnulin, taurine, chrome , L-Alnine , Fenugreek (4-hydroxyisoleucine ) .... are (in my opinion) MORE to take the best from carbo and food. (to bulk)

When I see (always in my experience) (1) and (2) mixed in a supplement.... I'm always skeptical ...or at least I have to take much attention on use it.

I can agree that Gymnema Sylvestre can be helpfull on both situations.
 
pectus said:
Never used alone. Only in recompadrol.

1) Phellodendron-->BARBERINE,
Lagerstroemia speciosa -- Banaba Extract --> corosolic acid
Gymnema Sylvestra (75% Extract) ----->gymnemic acid
salacia reticulata and garcina cambigia
are (in my opinion) all good for carb control and in a way damage control in cheat meals

2) ALA (r-ala), D-Pinitol, Cinnulin, taurine, chrome , L-Alnine , Fenugreek (4-hydroxyisoleucine ) .... are (in my opinion) MORE to take the best from carbo and food. (to bulk)

When I see (always in my experience) (1) and (2) mixed in a supplement.... I'm always skeptical ...or at least I have to take much attention on use it.

I can agree that Gymnema Sylvestre can be helpfull on both situations.
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So you think mixing berberine with NA-r-ala wouldn't be a good idea? I was planning to do that...
 
Definitely user dependant here. I don't doubt or intend to discredit anything he has said but through my experience, ALA, R ALA, and NaRALA all help reduce adipose gain.

I have ran Recompadrol solo and with added ALA varieties and the latter option has always seemed more effective for my cheat meals.

SsV2 was very effective for me in my cut and then I fell in love with recompadrol. Adding my own ALA with it was the best of both worlds.
 
Driven2lift said:
Definitely user dependant here. I don't doubt or intend to discredit anything he has said but through my experience, ALA, R ALA, and NaRALA all help reduce adipose gain.

I have ran Recompadrol solo and with added ALA varieties and the latter option has always seemed more effective for my cheat meals.

SsV2 was very effective for me in my cut and then I fell in love with recompadrol. Adding my own ALA with it was the best of both worlds.
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Thanks for the post. I am happy to hear about people's personal experience with narala. So do u think berberine and narala would be a good combo? I was thinking 500mg bernerine and 150mg narala. What do u think?
 
tyrub42 said:
Thanks for the post. I am happy to hear about people's personal experience with narala. So do u think berberine and narala would be a good combo? I was thinking 500mg bernerine and 150mg narala. What do u think?
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I ran Yellow Gold (300-500mg), Agmatine (500-750mg), Na-R-ALA (300mg), and ALCAR (1000mg) pre-carb meals twice a day and could definitely tell a difference from when I wasn't running them.
 
kbayne said:
I ran Yellow Gold (300-500mg), Agmatine (500-750mg), Na-R-ALA (300mg), and ALCAR (1000mg) pre-carb meals twice a day and could definitely tell a difference from when I wasn't running them.
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That sounds intense! How many grams carbs did u run w/that?
 
kbayne said:
I ran Yellow Gold (300-500mg), Agmatine (500-750mg), Na-R-ALA (300mg), and ALCAR (1000mg) pre-carb meals twice a day and could definitely tell a difference from when I wasn't running them.
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it sounds good.
BUT for which purpose? cheat meal, abuse of carbs, recomp, bulk, cut, pump.. ?

What I wanted to say in previous posts is that thare are different approches depending on GOAL, actual BF and diet.
 
I've tried Glycophase, Glycobol, and slin-sane. To be honest, I've never noticed much from any of them. That's just me though, results from GDA's are very subjective. A lot of people seem to really like them. I'd really like to try the one from the t-nation store, but it's pretty dang expensive.
 
BigKrabbe said:
I've tried Glycophase, Glycobol, and slin-sane. To be honest, I've never noticed much from any of them. That's just me though, results from GDA's are very subjective. A lot of people seem to really like them. I'd really like to try the one from the t-nation store, but it's pretty dang expensive.
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What's in it? Kbayne has me excited again to make my concoction of berberine and na r ala! If/when I do, I will post a review in this thread.
 
tyrub42 said:
That sounds intense! How many grams carbs did u run w/that?
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Roughly 100-200 grams. Depended on the day and meal.

pectus said:
it sounds good. BUT for which purpose? cheat meal, abuse of carbs, recomp, bulk, cut, pump.. ? What I wanted to say in previous posts is that thare are different approches depending on GOAL, actual BF and diet.
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High carb meals and cheat meals. I am pretty carb sensitive so I have to plan my carbs around peri-workout. So when I did have a cheat meal and wasn't in that time frame, the stack I mentioned really seemed to help.
 
kbayne said:
Roughly 100-200 grams. Depended on the day and meal.



High carb meals and cheat meals. I am pretty carb sensitive so I have to plan my carbs around peri-workout. So when I did have a cheat meal and wasn't in that time frame, the stack I mentioned really seemed to help.
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OK I was gonna guess 100+. That sounds like an amazing GDA stack with a bunch of added health benefits.
 
I am about to have my weekly cheat meal. In honor of this thread I have added 500mg agmatine and a table spoon of white vinegar (it was here, so I figured why not) to my yellow gold. We'll see if it makes a difference :)
 
BigKrabbe said:
I've tried Glycophase, Glycobol, and slin-sane. To be honest, I've never noticed much from any of them. That's just me though, results from GDA's are very subjective. A lot of people seem to really like them. I'd really like to try the one from the t-nation store, but it's pretty dang expensive.
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You mean the Biotest stuff? Biotest stuff looks kind of suspect TBH.
 
ive tried a few GDAs. i really enjoy using AP. it makes me feel... strong. could definitely be placebo. im currently using glycobol. i think its working because it makes me poop. but with all GDAs, i dont follow the label i mean i dont care if im eating carb heavy or not. i just use it before my 2 largest meals of the day
 
Recompadrol and 1 cap Na-r-ala will suffice.

Enjoy that combo.
 
kbayne said:
I ran Yellow Gold (300-500mg), Agmatine (500-750mg), Na-R-ALA (300mg), and ALCAR (1000mg) pre-carb meals twice a day and could definitely tell a difference from when I wasn't running them.
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Interesting stack, I'm interested in the reasoning, specifically the ALCAR & Agmatine? Do they improve insulin function or glycogen storage?

I'm on abut of a budget and was considering just straight R-Alpha-Lipoic or ALA with maybe one of ALCAR or Agmatine. Do you think ALCAR is better than LCLT for this purpose?

Thanks
 
Alasel said:
Interesting stack, I'm interested in the reasoning, specifically the ALCAR & Agmatine? Do they improve insulin function or glycogen storage?

I'm on abut of a budget and was considering just straight R-Alpha-Lipoic or ALA with maybe one of ALCAR or Agmatine. Do you think ALCAR is better than LCLT for this purpose?

Thanks
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If on a budget and you can only pick one in addition to (r)ala, I would imagine Yellow Gold will be the most effective and best bang for your buck. Agmatine and ALCAR have other benefits besides what you are looking for, but for just GDA purposes, I would say berberine by far. I tried a gram of berberine and a tablespoon of white vinegar (I don't have apple cider vinegar here) with agmatine before a large carb meal yesterday and woke up without any bloating whatsoever. The gram of berberine was probably the biggest player in that combo.
 
tyrub42 said:
If on a budget and you can only pick one in addition to (r)ala, I would imagine Yellow Gold will be the most effective and best bang for your buck. Agmatine and ALCAR have other benefits besides what you are looking for, but for just GDA purposes, I would say berberine by far. I tried a gram of berberine and a tablespoon of white vinegar (I don't have apple cider vinegar here) with agmatine before a large carb meal yesterday and woke up without any bloating whatsoever. The gram of berberine was probably the biggest player in that combo.
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1 cap recompadrol can control sugar and insulin up to 110-120g carbs.

That'll make a bottle last 2 months.

Berberine solo needs 300-500mg 3x a day
 
EBF Inc said:
1 cap recompadrol can control sugar and insulin up to 110-120g carbs.

That'll make a bottle last 2 months.

Berberine solo needs 300-500mg 3x a day
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Recompadrol is definitely awesome stuff. I really enjoyed how long the bottle lasted when I used it. Good point, especially since it is 30 bucks right now. Hard to beat that.
 
tyrub42 said:
If on a budget and you can only pick one in addition to (r)ala, I would imagine Yellow Gold will be the most effective and best bang for your buck. Agmatine and ALCAR have other benefits besides what you are looking for, but for just GDA purposes, I would say berberine by far. I tried a gram of berberine and a tablespoon of white vinegar (I don't have apple cider vinegar here) with agmatine before a large carb meal yesterday and woke up without any bloating whatsoever. The gram of berberine was probably the biggest player in that combo.
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When you say (r)ala do you mean the compound say found in primaforce insopro? Or have I read it wrong?
 
Alasel said:
I been reading up on it and some places say it has to be Na-r-ala as r-ala I'd useless ad the body can't use it?
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The Na helps with absorption and is better at lowering blood glucose.
 
EBF Inc said:
That's all relative to dosing my dude R-ala works just as good you just need a little more and it's mch much cheaper
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I agree. Was just commenting on how/what the Na does.
 
EBF Inc said:
That's all relative to dosing my dude

R-ala works just as good you just need a little more and it's mch much cheaper
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Good point (thanks again for being helpful with my posts, appreciate it) I was just considering combing some R-ala with 1cap of Recompadrol. Would there be some synergy?

And yes, the expense is the reason I'm looking a the R isomer not the sodium salt (Na-r-ala)

How much more to make work just as good?

Sorry for 20 questions.
 
300mg r ala with 1 rdrol


150mg will work as well

Up to you

Dose 3x a day you'll extend that bottle a long way
 
EBF Inc said:
300mg r ala with 1 rdrol

150mg will work as well

Up to you

Dose 3x a day you'll extend that bottle a long way
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How well is na rla utilized in the body?
 
fightbackhxc said:
How well is na rla utilized in the body?
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Apparently very well (better than any other ala form). If you google "na-r-ala vs r-ala" etc, there is a whole lot of information on it. I recently decided to get into ala and went with na r ala even though it is very expensive based on what the masses had to say. Apparently (r)ala form burns quite a bit as well which doesn't sound pleasant, but there are people who prefer them (I think it is strongly recommended to cap them, though). I think the hierarchy of effectiveness is generally considered to be ala at the bottom (contains r and s ala in equal parts), then r-ala, then k-r-ala, then na-r-ala. (r)ala apparently burns like hell when you swallow it, and na-r-ala is supposed to taste like burnt hair so neither is a pleasant experience uncapped. I take Yellow Gold uncapped so it will be interesting to see if na-r-ala is worse than that. Fun times...
 
EBF Inc said:
That's all relative to dosing my dude

R-ala works just as good you just need a little more and it's mch much cheaper
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This is not true. It's not about bioequivalence. Things like half-life and tissue distribution cannot be mimicked by simply taking more R-ALA
 
mr.cooper69 said:
It would be impossible to notice a difference. It's just ALA man, not like a stimulant or nootropic where you can feel it working
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In terms if how I felt after a meal.

But then again I take 2-3G ala in a sitting and after a few days there's a little difference in how I look. And when I stop taking it a tad diff in how I feel post meal.
 
digitalducki said:
Anybody else's p slin caps have the insides turned into a mini rattle? Like the ingredients shrunk down to a hardened pebble?? When I snap one out of the foil and shake it it's like a hardened nugget is in there. Weird.
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oh yeah, evey time. still works great
 
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