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Normally I wouldn't do this... Help me pick a stim/fat burner

goonstopher

goonstopher

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First off - I am somewhere below 10% I would say but the diet has gone poorly, I have lost too much muscle. I am going back to the ultimate diet 2.0. I will be on a small cycle (for me) and taking some t3...

First:
I plan on taking a fat loss stack with (copy and paste):
50 grams Irvingia Gabonensis
50 grams Raspberry Ketones
25 grams Fucoxanthin 10%
MIGHT add tta
Would PLCAR REEEALLY be worth adding (I am sort of broke)

Or since I have stuborn fat would dermatherm target be better for this?

SECOND And the real question:
I NEED a stim. I get to be a stim junkie by the end of summer. I have used nor-ephedrine alternated with clen but want to try something different. Methyl-synephrine seems to work decently on me for energy.

What are the good stim fat burners especially for those with stuborn fat?

P.S. I will be logging Erase with all of this...
 
you want as good stim check out Adderllin its fuking awsome!
here is a write up off a site that sells it:


Adderllin Information and how it works.

Thermogenic effects

Adderllin contains potent thermogenics that help the body achieve thermogenesis. Thermogenesis is the process of heat production in an organism which is achieved through metabolic stimulation found in the synergistic blend of supplements. The increased heat leads to the loss in fatty deposits in the body. By increasing the body’s metabolism, it thereby increases the core temperature of a person which in turn leads to the body fat loss that we seek. You can actually “feel” the thermogenic component of Adderllin. Soon after taking it you will have a warm feeling throughout your body.

Along with Adderllin I suggest running a ketogenic diet. The ketogenic diet is a high-fat, adequate-protein, low-carbohydrate diet that is effective at provoking body fat loss. The diet mimics aspects of starvation by forcing the body to burn fats rather than carbohydrates. Normally, the carbohydrates contained in food are converted into glucose, which is then transported around the body and is particularly important in fuelling brain function. However, if there is very little carbohydrate in the diet, the liver converts fat into fatty acids and ketone bodies.

The diet provides just enough protein for body growth and repair, and sufficient calories to maintain the correct weight for age and height. The classic ketogenic diet contains a 4:1 ratio by weight of fat to combined protein and carbohydrate. This is achieved by excluding high-carbohydrate foods such as starchy fruits and vegetables, bread, pasta, grains and sugar, while increasing the consumption of foods that are high in essential fats.

Energy effects

Adderllin is also packed with tons of energy boosters. With three herbal stimulants and added caffeine it will without a doubt give you that boost of energy that you need at times.



Other supplements such as Acetyl-L-Carnitine and Acetyl-L-Tyrosine which potentiates the effects of these energy boosters making them even stronger. The piperine added in this supplement helps increase the intake of all the ingredients making them more bioavailable. This leads to tremendous amounts of energy that you will never feel in any other supplement you have ever taken.



One of the best things you can do to improve your energy level is to sleep well at night. Unfortunately, most of us tend to allow other activities and commitments to cut into our sleep time, leaving us tired during the day. There are several simple changes you can make in your life to avoid insomnia and improve the quality of your sleep. Create a daily routine, go to bed earlier, and excersize as much as possible. Adderllin is great to take to burn the midnight oil, but refrain from taking it if you need to wake up early the next day. Rather get your rest and take it upon waking.



WHATS IN Adderllin

2 caps per serving 30 servings per bottle.

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Vitamin B3

Is a B vitamin with Nootropic effects. It is also has been noted for its use in people with Alzheimer’s disease.
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Vitamin B12

Is involved in the metabolism of every cell of the body, especially affecting the DNA synthesis and regulation but also fatty acid synthesis and energy production. Vitamin B12 deficiency can cause severe and irreversible damage, especially to the brain and nervous system. Vitamin B-12 gives a great natural energy boost.
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Guarana

Guarana is an herb that is rich in caffeine. Research has also shown that guarana may affect how quickly the body perceives itself to be full as well.
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Bitter Orange

Bitter orange is used as a stimulant and appetite suppressant which aids in weight loss. It contains several alkaloids such as synephrine that stimulate the body’s beta-3 receptors. Activating these receptors boosts your metabolic rate and energy levels to help increase fat burning and ultimately body fat loss. It also promotes the release of epinephrine and nor-epinephrine which boost mental energy and focus while indirectly helping body fat loss.
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Yohimbe Bark Extract

It is of the tryptamine chemical class with stimulant and aphrodisiac effects. It is also known for it’s thermogenic effect.
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Choline Dihydrogen Citrate

It is a naturally-occuring ammonium salt that is found in the lipids that make up cell membranes -in the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. Choline is the chemical precursor or “building block” needed to produce the neurotransmitter acetylcholine, and research suggests that memory, intelligence, and mood are mediated at least in part by acetylcholine metabolism in the brain.
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Acetyl-L-Carnitine

ALCAR has neuroprotective benefits in the treatment of Parkinson’s disease. ALCAR plays many important roles in the body, but the most important one from a fat burning perspective is ALCAR’s role in escorting fatty acids to the cell’s mitochondria where they can be burned as fuel aiding in body fat loss.
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Bacopa Extract

It has been used in India for several thousand years and is considered a “brain tonic” which enhances memory development, learning, and concentration. The herb shows significant psychotropic action as evidenced by excessive sleep and conformation changes in the brain as well as blood. It is also a potent antioxidant.
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Acetyl-L-Tyrosine

Tyrosine is converted in the body to key biologic compounds. These compounds include epinephrine, dopamine, L-dopa, Co-Q10, and thyroid hormones.
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Caffeine

Caffeine has nootropic effects, inducing positive changes in memory and learning. Both caffeine and naturally occurring caffeine found in guarana called guaranine are found in Adderllin.
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Dimethylaminoethanol

DMAE is related to choline and is a biochemical precursor to the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. Studies have shown an increase in vigilance and alertness, with a positive influence on mood.
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White Willow Bark Extract

White willow bark extract is added because a synergy occurs whenever ingredients are combined and the specific combination of those ingredients provides a greater benefit than the individual benefits that could be realized if each of those ingredients were taken independent of each other. Also known as a natural pain reliever.
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Piperine

Piperine is an extract found from black pepper and is known for it’s increased uptake of nutrients and supplements.
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Vinpocetine

Is an extract found in the periwinkle plant. Vinpocetine is reported to have a cerebral blood-flow enhancing and neuroprotective effects. It is also used as a drug in eastern european countries for the treatment of cerebrovascular disorders and age related memory impairment.
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Huperzine

Is naturally occurring and extracted from the Firmoss plant. Huperzine has been shown to enhance memory and learning performance in clinical trials performed on China.
 
goonstopher said:
First off - I am somewhere below 10% I would say but the diet has gone poorly, I have lost too much muscle. I am going back to the ultimate diet 2.0. I will be on a small cycle (for me) and taking some t3...

First:
I plan on taking a fat loss stack with (copy and paste):
50 grams Irvingia Gabonensis
50 grams Raspberry Ketones
25 grams Fucoxanthin 10%
MIGHT add tta
Would PLCAR REEEALLY be worth adding (I am sort of broke)

Or since I have stuborn fat would dermatherm target be better for this?

SECOND And the real question:
I NEED a stim. I get to be a stim junkie by the end of summer. I have used nor-ephedrine alternated with clen but want to try something different. Methyl-synephrine seems to work decently on me for energy.

What are the good stim fat burners especially for those with stuborn fat?

P.S. I will be logging Erase with all of this...
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Gaspari's cytolean V2 is a good shout. As is our Adrenalean if you can find it, but we're out of stock for the short-term and i'm not sure whch retailers still have it.
 
Robboe said:
Gaspari's cytolean V2 is a good shout. As is our Adrenalean if you can find it, but we're out of stock for the short-term and i'm not sure whch retailers still have it.
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Yeah I had some cytolean v2 that I just finished up (left over few pills). VERY good stuff at first, something about it just downgrades quickly. It might be worth consideration again. I am also thinking of Lypodrene with ephedra extract
 
goonstopher said:
Yeah I had some cytolean v2 that I just finished up (left over few pills). VERY good stuff at first, something about it just downgrades quickly. It might be worth consideration again. I am also thinking of Lypodrene with ephedra extract
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This is how it worked for me.. Very nice at first, then it just stopped working. Im not a stim junkie, so the first few days I was up all night, it was hitting me hard...


You may want to look into the LipoShred Stack. It contains two products

LipoFlame™ + LipoStim3™ = Dramatic Drug like Fat Loss and Mood
Elevation

Combine the ephedrine-like properties and convenient use of the
NEW LipoStim™ with the proven performance of Lipoflame™ For
Complete Multiphasic Fat Incineration , Mood Elevation and Lean
Muscle Gain!
LIPOFLAME™ and LipoStim™ are the Ferraris of their Supplement
class, and are packed full of Potent , Active Premium Compounds.

LIPOFLAME™ is a powerful Tea Extract and EvoFlame™ Based fat
burning amplifier for preferential fat translocation and
incineration.
LIPOFLAME™ increases your metabolism Safely throughout your day
without any jitters. LIPOFLAME™ is also distinctly mood elevating
and endurance enhancing without overly stimulating the athlete.

LipoStim™ Mimics ephedrine's and Clenbuterols benefits without the
Side Effects, and works via similar/same pathways for Dramatic Fat
Loss.
LipoStim™ works via Epinephrine ( Like ephedrine) and other
Neurotransmitters which affect cAMP.
The Beta Adrenoceptor is addressed ( bronchial dilation) via the
Tea extracts we use and to finish it off, A2 Stubborn fat cells
targeted directly.

Using the LipoShred Stack in short.
~Does not deplete your central nervous system Unlike ephedrine/Clen
~Give you No Jitters or anxiety
~Elevates Metabolism sharply without rebound for Dramatic Fat loss
~Makes your mind SUPER sharp, literally faster and with more recall.
~Heart rate does not elevate artificially
~Feel great and upbeat all day!

Each Stack is a full 4-6 week Supply.
Lipoflame = 160 count
LipoStim = 112 count
Cycle This stack for Max Effect.
Use for no more then 2 consecutive months at a time.

How to Run it:

Daily Dose Pattern for Males:
2 Lipoflame + 2 LipoStim in the AM

2 Lipoflame + 2 LipoStim in the Midday

2 Lipoflame Late day.

Daily Dose Pattern for Females:

1 Lipoflame + 2 LipoStim in the AM

2 Lipoflame + 1 LipoStim in the Midday

1 Lipoflame Late day.
__________________

Lipoflame Ingredeints:
PURE EVOFLAME™ Evodiamine (Evodia Rutaecarpa Alkaloid)
Vinpocetine (Vinca Minor Pure Extract)
EGCG Green Tea Extract 60% EGCG
Oolong Tea Camellia sinensis leaf extract standardized for Xanthines
Idebenone
N-Acetyl L-Carnitine
N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine
(TriXanthin-X™) Designer Xanthine Blend
DMAE Bitartrate
Ala
Ornithine Ethyl Ester HCL
Arginine Ethyl Ester HCL
Niacinamide (Vitamin B-3)

LipoStim Ingredients:
1,3-Dimethyl-5-amine (Mineral Salt Derivative of Geranium Oil)
Thiamine Trisulfide Butyrate (TTB)
Black Tea Extract (Polyphenols)
Yohimbe HCI
Synephrine HCI
Actyl L-Carnitine
Tyosine Ethyl Ester
Propionyl L-Carnitine HCL
 
Alpha T2 is truly amazing. I personally don't get a lot of energy from it, but the fat loss is great. I stacked it with ALCAR and some Thermogum for energy.
 
Rodja said:
Alpha T2 is truly amazing. I personally don't get a lot of energy from it, but the fat loss is great. I stacked it with ALCAR and some Thermogum for energy.
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Yes I have some but somethign is going on with me and muscle loss and I am playing around to see what it is and the Alpha t2 is one possible reason so I am off it this week.
 
Looked into Black Cats?

I've heard great things for those looking to add a solid stim to their fat loss stack.

As far as PLCAR, I would just stick with ALCAR if you dont want to burn your pockets. ALCAR is still very effective.
 
why are reps posting full length copy pasted product writeups? when did this start, its really annoying.

you should be able to speak concisely about the product on your own.

anyways,

are the stims for a workout or for just everyday energy?

If you are looking for preworkout id suggest Maximize V2, scoop for scoop NOTHING is more potent in the stim department.
 
iForce Dave said:
why are reps posting full length copy pasted product writeups? when did this start, its really annoying.

you should be able to speak concisely about the product on your own.

anyways,

are the stims for a workout or for just everyday energy?

If you are looking for preworkout id suggest Maximize V2, scoop for scoop NOTHING is more potent in the stim department.
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Daily use/ fat burning - CANT have creatine of any kind
 
nattydisaster said:
Looked into Black Cats?

I've heard great things for those looking to add a solid stim to their fat loss stack.

As far as PLCAR, I would just stick with ALCAR if you dont want to burn your pockets. ALCAR is still very effective.
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check out the new sale stack...

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iForce Dave said:
why are reps posting full length copy pasted product writeups? when did this start, its really annoying.

you should be able to speak concisely about the product on your own.

anyways,

are the stims for a workout or for just everyday energy?

If you are looking for preworkout id suggest Maximize V2, scoop for scoop NOTHING is more potent in the stim department.
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Im sorry you feel that way, however I still see myself as a consumer and before I take a chance on a new product, I'd like to hear something other then "It's the best out there!!" - That's a little vague. Honestly I thought OP would benefit more from being able to read the ingredient profile, and this IS a supplement forum.
 
goonstopher said:
Daily use/ fat burning - CANT have creatine of any kind
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For daily use and fat burning, you may want to look into adipoxil for a stimulant base. I am more concerned with why you are completely avoiding creatine when cutting though? Creatine can play a vital role in maintaining strength and muscle when cutting, water retention should be next to no issue as well if you have a proper diet low in Na.

Mike
 
criticalbench said:
For daily use and fat burning, you may want to look into adipoxil for a stimulant base. I am more concerned with why you are completely avoiding creatine when cutting though? Creatine can play a vital role in maintaining strength and muscle when cutting, water retention should be next to no issue as well if you have a proper diet low in Na.

Mike
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I can NEVER take creatine, bulking or cutting. I instantly add 5 pounds of water directly around my mid-section... It is UUUUGLY. I am not one to bitch about that stuff but I just cant handle it because I can't tell how I am doing because it makes me look fat as hell

I ordered some APS Phenadrene
 
Alpha T2 + Black Cats!!! The stack is on sale at Nutra for a great price too. Add in some Alcar or Beverly Quadracarn and some forskolin if you wanna go all out.

Where'd you get NorE???????
 
goonstopher said:
First off - I am somewhere below 10% I would say but the diet has gone poorly, I have lost too much muscle. I am going back to the ultimate diet 2.0. I will be on a small cycle (for me) and taking some t3...

First:
I plan on taking a fat loss stack with (copy and paste):
50 grams Irvingia Gabonensis
50 grams Raspberry Ketones
25 grams Fucoxanthin 10%
MIGHT add tta
Would PLCAR REEEALLY be worth adding (I am sort of broke)

Or since I have stuborn fat would dermatherm target be better for this?

SECOND And the real question:
I NEED a stim. I get to be a stim junkie by the end of summer. I have used nor-ephedrine alternated with clen but want to try something different. Methyl-synephrine seems to work decently on me for energy.

What are the good stim fat burners especially for those with stuborn fat?

P.S. I will be logging Erase with all of this...
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Irvingia Gabonensis Seed Extract works better on Obese People or people with leptin resistance, insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome and diabetes mellitus.

Since fucoxanthin is tightly bound to proteins in the seaweed and not easily absorbed in the form of whole seaweed, this means that extracts for weight-loss supplements, or even pharmaceuticals, will be the most efficient way of delivering the active form of the fucoxanthin.
 
criticalbench said:
For daily use and fat burning, you may want to look into adipoxil for a stimulant base. I am more concerned with why you are completely avoiding creatine when cutting though? Creatine can play a vital role in maintaining strength and muscle when cutting, water retention should be next to no issue as well if you have a proper diet low in Na.

Mike
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agreed on the adipoxil, it will have the stims/thermogenice/AND thyroid agents you need to get fat off as fast as possible
 
No an oz is about 30ml so cans are about 12oz or 355ml... Whatever. My main fear is the reported negative effects that carbonation has on nitrogen balance. Charles poliquin writes about it sometimes
 
goonstopher said:
No an oz is about 30ml so cans are about 12oz or 355ml... Whatever. My main fear is the reported negative effects that carbonation has on nitrogen balance. Charles poliquin writes about it sometimes
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FFS, i swear, my keyboard hates me. Either that or my fingers like playing tricks on my brain. I thought i'd typed 12, not 20.

As for carbonation, what studies does he cite for this? I just ran a quick pubmed search and nothing comes up.
 
goonstopher said:
First off - I am somewhere below 10% I would say but the diet has gone poorly, I have lost too much muscle. I am going back to the ultimate diet 2.0. I will be on a small cycle (for me) and taking some t3...

First:
I plan on taking a fat loss stack with (copy and paste):
50 grams Irvingia Gabonensis
50 grams Raspberry Ketones
25 grams Fucoxanthin 10%
MIGHT add tta
Would PLCAR REEEALLY be worth adding (I am sort of broke)

Or since I have stuborn fat would dermatherm target be better for this?

SECOND And the real question:
I NEED a stim. I get to be a stim junkie by the end of summer. I have used nor-ephedrine alternated with clen but want to try something different. Methyl-synephrine seems to work decently on me for energy.

What are the good stim fat burners especially for those with stuborn fat?

P.S. I will be logging Erase with all of this...
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well id say if you have stubborn fat look into alpha yohimbine, and yes Dermatherm target would hep also,
stim junkie, look at Oxyelite pro and use a good stim like maximize v2 for energy drinks and preworkouts,

the OEP has the alpha yohimbine it it, Alpha T2 does as well.....
 
JN230 said:
well id say if you have stubborn fat look into alpha yohimbine, and yes Dermatherm target would hep also,
stim junkie, look at Oxyelite pro and use a good stim like maximize v2 for energy drinks and preworkouts,

the OEP has the alpha yohimbine it it, Alpha T2 does as well.....
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Maximize V2 has an awesome stim complex for preworkouts. I would def consider adding that as part of your arsenal.
 
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