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Nobody Ever Drowned In Sweat - GMG760's 1AD/4AD cycle

Irish Cannon said:
When you take test boosters, do you mean herbals or AIs? - And if you mean herbals, do you take an AI with them?

I only ask because low estrogen leads to a weak immune system. I'm actually quite worried about myself right now. I've been taking Letro to try to rid some gyno (I'm pretty sure it's not doing anything, but I'll give it the full run) and as you all know, Letro is uber freaking strong, and it IS flu season. I'm trying so hard not to catch anything. I've been loading up on Airborne, VitC, and Echinacea. I should probably get some Zinc, too.
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Definitely grab you some Zinc, Irish. And I would recommend some Vitamin D3 also.
On a side note, I take 2 grams of Vitamin C everyday and I hardly ever get a cold or get sick. I was sick only 1 day last year!!! And it was a stomach virus....:puke: :grumpy:
 
thundergod said:
Well, I certainly don't see the Resveratrol causing any kind of low-estrogen related illnesses. It doesn't lower estrogen. It just prevents what circulating estrogen you have from attaching to breast tissue. Just like a SERM. It is NOT an AI.

I think that you were correct in your assumption that it's the increase in training intensity that packs a whammy on your CNS and thusly your immune system.

Keep slammin' dat L-Glutamine!!!!:trink26:
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You know you are right regarding the Resveratrol it only binds to the estrogen receptors, but not stop aromatase. I had to go back and look at it to see its mode of action. I knew it had enti estrogenic effects but had the method of action wrong in my mind. However, I do wonder if it binding to the receptors effects the immune system by not allowing the estrogen to do it's thing.

I do imagine it is overtraining that gets me sick on stacks as well or maybe a combination of all of it which is likely. I used to take 3 grams of C a day and have gotten away from it. I need to pick up that practice again. Maybe even this week, I sure could use the diuretic effect from it after the holidays.
 
Teg said:
Man.... Sorry G, been tryin to get in on the log more, havin issues over here! Anyways, glad to see your back in it and feeling better brotha!!! Glad you got to hit up a WO with Kleen! Having friends like such are always a good thing especially when your outta state ;)

What are the plans/changes if any for the following PCT??

BigPR- Your Avi is making me DROOOOOL! WOW!!!
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Yea that avi is redonkulous. I seriously hope it isn't anyone that any of us cares about because I have been having bad thoughts... :lol:

Plans and changes following PCT will be a 2 month or so stint away from DC during PCT. I have thought about a drop set/volume workout... I'm really not sure yet. PCT starts next week. So does Hemodraulix (Thanks Rob)!



MrKleen73 said:
Man G is an animal guys, don't let him fool ya. Had a great workout with him. I have a feeling his quads are going to explode soon too. Even though his lungs tightening up a bit in the middle of the workout G soldiered his way through anyway and killed it. Was nice to workout with someone who had some more experience in DC training than I. G and I swapped pointers on some things that are going to make both of uys better lifters. It really is nice to get some variety in partners in your life every once in a while. Don't miss an op to work out with G, great energy.

On another note though. Someone back there mentioned illness and cycles. I know that was recanted and was restated they meant gyno, but I often get ill in the middle of a test boosting stack. Have no clue why but even my wife mentioned it last time. She was like you know you get that chest cold crap when you take those. I wonder if it is something to do with that or just the increased intensity causing recovery issues. Interesting either way. I supplement a lot with L Glutamine now to keep that at bay and it has been helping a good bit.
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Thanks bro, it was a blast getting to kick it with you and your family... and that illness/test relation does seem to make some sense.

So my last two workouts

Saturday -
Incline Hammerstrength chest - 3 platesx6x4x3
Military Press - 135x8x5x4
Skull Crusher - 35'sx14x9x5
Pull ups - +25 x8x6x5 (I am loving this dip belt)
Tbar rows - 200lbs x 7 back off to 100lbs x20

Monday -
Biceps - Drag curls - 120x8x6x5
Pinwheel curls - 60x7
Leg press toe press - 180lbs x 14
Lying leg curl - 120x8x5x3
Hack Squat - 3 plates x 6, 1 plate +25 x 20

Still getting my strength back to where it was, but feeling back to 100% health wise. I'm definitely appreciating feeling good again. The cycle is winding down and I have 2 workouts left, and then onto PCT.

ATD and Hemodraulix are two things that I have decided to use for my pct, my mind isn't made up on the rest of what I am going to use. T911 is a thought... we'll see what I decide on in a week.
 
Right on man! Can't wait to see how teh Hemos treats ya!
 
Same here. More logs I see on it the more I think I need to get me a bottle.
 
I really enjoyed Hemodraulix when i tried it!
 
Well I am going to have to try it sometime for sure. It will definitely be after New Years when I start my next Test boosting stack. I bet it will go really well alongside some higher levels of T. That, and my money is all going to kiddos Christmas this year.
 
There will be more opportunities soon ;)
 
Wednesdays workout

DB bench - worked my way up to 100x5 (had to try something heavier... just felt like picking them up.) Then 75 x 14. Not DC style really, but just wanted a change. Tomorrow will probably be my last DC workout before I go back to volume/dropsets for a change of pace.
Pec Dec - 120x8 x6 x4

Military Press - 135x9x7x4

Dips - BW+90x9x7x7

Rack pull ups - +60 x 10x8x7

BB row - 225x6, 135x20
 
dang nice #s bro
 
Thanks Rob.

So today is the last day of my cycle, I will be starting PCT tomorrow along with my Hemodraulix log... so stay tuned. One last bicep/leg workout today... should be brutal. I'll update my final thoughts on this cycle tomorrow in my wrap up and hopefully have some pictures to post up.

Numbers from workout a little later today.
 
GMG760 said:
Thanks Rob.

So today is the last day of my cycle, I will be starting PCT tomorrow along with my Hemodraulix log... so stay tuned. One last bicep/leg workout today... should be brutal. I'll update my final thoughts on this cycle tomorrow in my wrap up and hopefully have some pictures to post up.

Numbers from workout a little later today.
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Chomping at the bit.......anxiously awaiting.........:yup:
 
GMG760 said:
Thanks Rob.

So today is the last day of my cycle, I will be starting PCT tomorrow along with my Hemodraulix log... so stay tuned. One last bicep/leg workout today... should be brutal. I'll update my final thoughts on this cycle tomorrow in my wrap up and hopefully have some pictures to post up.

Numbers from workout a little later today.
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You'll love the Hemo. It is truly a great product. Be sure to go up in dose. Start at 6, move to 8 the following week, and then after a couple weeks at 8, try out 10. You won't be disappointed.

Although, quite honestly, I'm moving away from Hemo now that we've got GHenerate + Anadraulic Pump. I can't deny the fact that it's fcking insane in the pump department.
 
IC, you a pimpzers :cheers:
 
Irish Cannon said:
You'll love the Hemo. It is truly a great product. Be sure to go up in dose. Start at 6, move to 8 the following week, and then after a couple weeks at 8, try out 10. You won't be disappointed.

Although, quite honestly, I'm moving away from Hemo now that we've got GHenerate + Anadraulic Pump. I can't deny the fact that it's fcking insane in the pump department.
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That isn't a bad idea... at 3 workouts a week I have 10 weeks at the suggested dosing. I will probably do exactly what you suggested.

Yesterday's workout

Preacher Curls - 35'sx9x5x4
DB curls - 35x10, 50x10
Reverse grip single arm cable curls - 60x20 each arm

seated calves - 2 plates x15x3 sets
Sumo Leg press - 7 plates x10 PR :D
Leg Extention - 45's x 10x3 sets

Great workout, really feeling the aftermath today. I dosed Hemodraulix for the first time during this workout... the pump was freaking redonkulous. I am using Hemo with Jack3ed... and I have never felt such a beta-alanine tingle. I was driving to the gym with my girl, and I started cracking up because I was getting so tingly all over. She hasn't taken BA, so she doesn't get it, but I love actually being able to feel the supplement... kinda makes me flip that switch mentally, like I know the supplement is kicking in and I have that little bit extra in the tank. Bicep pump was almost painful. My girl said my arms looked like bigger, that they had a much larger pump. I have to agree with her. My first impressions of the hemodraulix were good ones to say the least. I can't wait for my next workout on the Hemo. Updates and the start of a new log later today once I finish some yard work/chores around my house.

Hope everyone is well and staying warm. It's fuggin' cold in So Cal, I can only imagine how cold it is everywhere else.
 
Right there with you on the BA tingle G. Nothing like feeling the supplements doing their job. I am going to have to give the HemoDr a try. I'm liking all the positive feedback I see.
 
nice workout man! those #s are nice! How many caps did you take?

...and bro today was nothing..wait until wk 2, 3, 4 and beyond :D
 
metroba said:
nice workout man! those #s are nice! How many caps did you take?

...and bro today was nothing..wait until wk 2, 3, 4 and beyond :D
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So it gets more pronounced as you go Met?
 
GMG760 said:
Hope everyone is well and staying warm. It's fuggin' cold in So Cal, I can only imagine how cold it is everywhere else.
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Got some snow here in Tennessee on Saturday morning. I took my dog out in to play. I took some pics. I may have to download a few of them and post one. It was beautiful. :veryhappy:
 
thundergod said:
Got some snow here in Tennessee on Saturday morning. I took my dog out in to play. I took some pics. I may have to download a few of them and post one. It was beautiful. :veryhappy:
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It actually snowed pretty good in Dallas last week, but it never got below freezing so nothing stuck. It was still pretty to see, but made the drive into work a biatch!
 
I took 6 caps 30 minutes pre workout. Yea, for a first impression, I was stoked. I am looking forward to these next few weeks!
 
AZMIDLYF said:
So it gets more pronounced as you go Met?
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Oh yeah man! Like most products its takes a little bit to really get it going.
GMG760 said:
I took 6 caps 30 minutes pre workout. Yea, for a first impression, I was stoked. I am looking forward to these next few weeks!
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Right on man! I'm psyched for ya!s
 
It's minus 20 here right now....so i don't think you gentlemen have much to complain about!
 
punthra said:
It's minus 20 here right now....so i don't think you gentlemen have much to complain about!
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Don't even need to think about being that cold. LOL 20 below... SCREW THAT!
 
It's been colder than this before so i'm really not complaining that much.
 
I've experienced 4 below and that was painfull for anything exposed to it. I could not function daily under those circumstances..
 
You get used to it.....but i'd still prefer a warmer climate though!
 
I dunno dude, -20 is freakin' gnarly. I don't like it when it is below +60.
 
Final Review of 1-AD/4-AD UTT.

I really thought this stack was a great stack for any hormone user, however it is mild enough to be a first time stack, and effective enough to use after running harsher/stronger hormones.

The taste of both products was fine in my opinion. The 1AD is minty, the 4 AD like cinnamon.

I think that both could be dosed higher than they are if one is used to stronger hormones, but are effective at their given dose.

On this stack I gained about 8 lbs I weigh right about 200 right now, and started at 192-193. Unfortunately I got the flu during week 6 of the cycle and lost a lot of momentum to my gains. I noticed my muscles hardened up considerably during this stack, my strength increased steadily, though not explosively, through the cycle. My aggression raised a bit, it was more of a confidence than aggression though, I just felt good about myself.

I noticed no atrophy to the boys, and had no issues with sexual performance. I got oily skin and a few more zits than usual, but that is no big deal. The 4AD will aromatize, and those of us who are sensitive to estrogen fluctuation like me, might want to consider low dose ATD or Formestane while on cycle to help with any softness/puffyness that comes along with a raise in estrogen. My blood pressure did not fluctuate.

I do not feel that this stack shut me down enough to require a serm, which is a nice change of pace for my PCT... I never feel good while on a serm.

All in all, I think this was a great stack, that I would recommend as a first time hormonal cycle or a good choice for a mild non-methyl cycle for a more advanced user. I look forward to hopefully buying another run of this cycle for another go in the future.

Great job AMS!
 
I was in 43 below with a wind chill and that sh1t was ridiculous. I throw a glass of water out and it froze as it hit the ground. I had some amazing powder the next day though. I would hate to live in it though.
 
One thing I forgot to say was that I think that gains of 10+ lbs are VERY possible on this stack if one kept their health throughout the cycle.

I also think that this stack should be ran for 6-8 weeks. I noticed the best parts of this cycle deeper into it. 4 weeks is fine, especially for a first time around with hormones, but if you are like me and have ran some stronger methyls, you may want to stick around on cycle since the shutdown is minimal, and reap the benefits of these hormones.
 
Nice review G!
 
Awesome review man! 8-10lbs is roughly what i gained back when ergopharm was producing these products. Glad to see you enjoyed it and i can't wait for your next log!
 
GMG760 said:
Final Review of 1-AD/4-AD UTT.

I really thought this stack was a great stack for any hormone user, however it is mild enough to be a first time stack, and effective enough to use after running harsher/stronger hormones.

The taste of both products was fine in my opinion. The 1AD is minty, the 4 AD like cinnamon.

I think that both could be dosed higher than they are if one is used to stronger hormones, but are effective at their given dose.

On this stack I gained about 8 lbs I weigh right about 200 right now, and started at 192-193. Unfortunately I got the flu during week 6 of the cycle and lost a lot of momentum to my gains. I noticed my muscles hardened up considerably during this stack, my strength increased steadily, though not explosively, through the cycle. My aggression raised a bit, it was more of a confidence than aggression though, I just felt good about myself.

I noticed no atrophy to the boys, and had no issues with sexual performance. I got oily skin and a few more zits than usual, but that is no big deal. The 4AD will aromatize, and those of us who are sensitive to estrogen fluctuation like me, might want to consider low dose ATD or Formestane while on cycle to help with any softness/puffyness that comes along with a raise in estrogen. My blood pressure did not fluctuate.

I do not feel that this stack shut me down enough to require a serm, which is a nice change of pace for my PCT... I never feel good while on a serm.

All in all, I think this was a great stack, that I would recommend as a first time hormonal cycle or a good choice for a mild non-methyl cycle for a more advanced user. I look forward to hopefully buying another run of this cycle for another go in the future.

Great job AMS!
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Awesome log man. Great results. I was following this for a while before I began my cycle.

I am in the middle of a 1-Andro/4-AD/DecaVol cycle actually. I will be running it for 6 weeks, and have gained about 6 lbs in the first 28 days. I am feeling pretty much the way you have described. Some acne/oily skin, increase in libido, and some good ol aggression in the gym. No other neg sides.

In your opinion, could this cycle be stretched to 8 weeks? I have enough to last that long, and was wondering since I have not seen any negative sides if it would be worth it. I am really hoping to gain another 6 lbs. 6 lbs.
 
bradleywiens said:
Awesome log man. Great results. I was following this for a while before I began my cycle.

I am in the middle of a 1-Andro/4-AD/DecaVol cycle actually. I will be running it for 6 weeks, and have gained about 6 lbs in the first 28 days. I am feeling pretty much the way you have described. Some acne/oily skin, increase in libido, and some good ol aggression in the gym. No other neg sides.

In your opinion, could this cycle be stretched to 8 weeks? I have enough to last that long, and was wondering since I have not seen any negative sides if it would be worth it. I am really hoping to gain another 6 lbs. 6 lbs.
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I say 8 weeks is perfect for these compounds. They are very mild on your body. imo
 
nice final review bud! Seems like a sweet stack
 
Terrific review and an awesomely informative log!! It was a sweet ride indeed.
Now, what's that PCT gonna look like? I didn't think that a "prescription" SERM would be needed with a stack like this. But some good ol' Resveratrol will make for a nice natty SERM. Some low-dose ATD and that tried and true LG T-911 will cover all your bases. Hel. your PCT might wind up being as strong as your cycle!!!! :twisted:
 
I agree with everyone else. Very solid log. Very informative, detailed and fun to follow as always. It really sucks that you got sick, but you had good gains in spite of it.
 
bradleywiens said:
Awesome log man. Great results. I was following this for a while before I began my cycle.

I am in the middle of a 1-Andro/4-AD/DecaVol cycle actually. I will be running it for 6 weeks, and have gained about 6 lbs in the first 28 days. I am feeling pretty much the way you have described. Some acne/oily skin, increase in libido, and some good ol aggression in the gym. No other neg sides.

In your opinion, could this cycle be stretched to 8 weeks? I have enough to last that long, and was wondering since I have not seen any negative sides if it would be worth it. I am really hoping to gain another 6 lbs. 6 lbs.
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I ran mine 8 weeks. I found it really mild. The reps from AMS didn't shoot down my idea to run it longer, so I went for 8... but that is just me. I didn't have problems myself, but only you will know what you will want to run.
 
PCT has been ATD, T911, Hemodraulix, Jack3d. No research chems for this one, I'm glad too... I never feel all that great on serms.
 
GMG760 said:
PCT has been ATD, T911, Hemodraulix, Jack3d. No research chems for this one, I'm glad too... I never feel all that great on serms.
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I totally agree with ya on those damn SERMs. I feel like dog shit on Clomid. Kinda moody like a teenage girl. LMAO
I've always shyed away from Nolva due to the liver toxicity. It just doesn't make sense to keep slammin' your liver into PCT. This should be the time to clean that ol' liver up!!!

Your PCT sounds spot-on brotha. I'm glad you mentioned the JACKED. I still have a fresh canister in my stash. I may just break that shizz out for this morning's leg assault!!!
Time for an all-out Blitz-Krieg!!!:AR15firing: :rocketwhore:
 
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Click link. Follow my PCT. Do it.
 
GMG760 said:
Final Review of 1-AD/4-AD UTT.

I really thought this stack was a great stack for any hormone user, however it is mild enough to be a first time stack, and effective enough to use after running harsher/stronger hormones.

The taste of both products was fine in my opinion. The 1AD is minty, the 4 AD like cinnamon.

I think that both could be dosed higher than they are if one is used to stronger hormones, but are effective at their given dose.

On this stack I gained about 8 lbs I weigh right about 200 right now, and started at 192-193. Unfortunately I got the flu during week 6 of the cycle and lost a lot of momentum to my gains. I noticed my muscles hardened up considerably during this stack, my strength increased steadily, though not explosively, through the cycle. My aggression raised a bit, it was more of a confidence than aggression though, I just felt good about myself.

I noticed no atrophy to the boys, and had no issues with sexual performance. I got oily skin and a few more zits than usual, but that is no big deal. The 4AD will aromatize, and those of us who are sensitive to estrogen fluctuation like me, might want to consider low dose ATD or Formestane while on cycle to help with any softness/puffyness that comes along with a raise in estrogen. My blood pressure did not fluctuate.

I do not feel that this stack shut me down enough to require a serm, which is a nice change of pace for my PCT... I never feel good while on a serm.

All in all, I think this was a great stack, that I would recommend as a first time hormonal cycle or a good choice for a mild non-methyl cycle for a more advanced user. I look forward to hopefully buying another run of this cycle for another go in the future.

Great job AMS!
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great review man i was wanting to run this in the near future. could you go into alittle more detail about strength gains thats primarily what im after.
 
Honestly I didn't think the strength gains were incredible, like when I ran Mdrol they were unbelievable. I also got sick at probably the point in the cycle where I should have been strongest, at the end of week 5/ beginning of week 6. I found the strength gains to be similar to a moderate dose of halodrol. Not quite as strong as epi, and not nearly as strong as superdrol. I thought this was a better supplement for size than just strength. I did gain strength, but once again, I don't think that is where this supplement really shined. Then again, for as mellow as the cycle was, the strength gains were great in that respect. I think MMV2 gave me a bit more of a push with the strength, but the 1AD wins out with the size gain.
 
i need some help, i broke my jaw about six months ago and went through 3 surgeries, i am now down to 148 lbs. i was 163, i have tried my normal routine but with very little results and have increased my calorie intake. is something like tren or microdrol a realistic substitute or adder to my normal routine
 
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