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MarenghiJuice

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Just finished 42 day cycle (2 bottles) of x gels and yet to see any results? After hearing such raving reviews, I was surprised. Anyone else had the same problem? Possible non-responder
 
MarenghiJuice said:
Just finished 42 day cycle (2 bottles) of x gels and yet to see any results? After hearing such raving reviews, I was surprised. Anyone else had the same problem? Possible non-responder
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Depends on how you dosed it, training/diet...etc. Did you follow the tips in the ArA guide here?
 
Wasn't aware of the ARA guide mate. Dosed at 5 caps a day. Was on a bulk at around 3500 calories a day and saw no real additional strength increase. The doms also weren't there which definitely indicated to me that I was unresponsive
 
MarenghiJuice said:
Wasn't aware of the ARA guide mate. Dosed at 5 caps a day. Was on a bulk at around 3500 calories a day and saw no real additional strength increase. The doms also weren't there which definitely indicated to me that I was unresponsive
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Not everyone gets additional DOMS from it. Also, how did you dose it etc. It's best taken fasted pre-workout, away from anti-inflammatories, etc.
 
I didn't notice a lot from them tbh. Doms for the first week where I wouldn't normally have any but after that they went away.
May have seen something if I stacked it with epi or similar but wanted to see how it went solo
 
It helps if you take GMS or Soy Lecithin with it to emulsify it.

And a carnatine salt.

I take it with Epic Unleashed and SL, no carnatine salt.
 
I would not call is a problem but I had no good results from it, only sides. The good news is that there are plenty more things that work and don't need to be cycled like HMB-FA and Phosphatidic Acid.
 
Sorry to hear that. Many love ArA, including myself. But there are individuals who do not respond, which it seems you are on of them individuals.
 
MarenghiJuice said:
No man, having thought about it would the fish oil counter the imflammatory properties of the ARA?
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It competes for metabolism with ArA, but it shouldn't completely negate ArA and its effects as you noticed.
 
MarenghiJuice said:
No man, having thought about it would the fish oil counter the imflammatory properties of the ARA?
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It does. Moreso than a Cox 2 inhibitor as it counteracts it in a few different ways, so it may have reduced its effects. But its not the end all be all and there are other options available to you that better suit your lifestlye :)

Sorry it didnt work for you!
 
There is the chance that depending on what you eat you MIGHT MIGHT MIGHT be getting sufficient ARA in your diet to support your training. Do you eat dozens of eggs everyday?
 
MarenghiJuice said:
Just finished 42 day cycle (2 bottles) of x gels and yet to see any results? After hearing such raving reviews, I was surprised. Anyone else had the same problem? Possible non-responder
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It is due to the dose.
My friend felt same, but when he ran 2.5g daily then he experienced sick pumps, musclefullness, strength gains ++.
 
Danes said:
It is due to the dose.
My friend felt same, but when he ran 2.5g daily then he experienced sick pumps, musclefullness, strength gains ++.
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That seems to be the case most often with compounds that need conversion. ArA is not like PA that directly activates mTOR.

In before, clinical doses bro, no need to take more :thumbsdown:
 
MarenghiJuice said:
2.5g would require 2 bottles for a 20 day cycle lol seems excessive
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As said above, I think all the omega 3's you were having (possibly even around ArA) were probably competing for it's metabolism which lessened it's effects....plus you were only dosing at 1.25g (5 gels). I'm not a person who mega-doses stuff, but that "normal" dose combined with all the omega 3's probably made ArA useless for you.
 
ma70 said:
As said above, I think all the omega 3's you were having (possibly even around ArA) were probably competing for it's metabolism which lessened it's effects....plus you were only dosing at 1.25g (5 gels). I'm not a person who mega-doses stuff, but that "normal" dose combined with all the omega 3's probably made ArA useless for you.
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I'll try cutting out excess omega 3's including fish oil for another 20 day cycle kept at the same 1.25g dosing and let everyone know how it went
 
MarenghiJuice said:
I'll try cutting out excess omega 3's including fish oil for another 20 day cycle kept at the same 1.25g dosing and let everyone know how it went
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Yeah man. Just trying to help you out. It's pretty annoying having to change your diet timing/content for a supplement, but that's the way some things go. The nice "medium" people recommend is eating/dosing omega 3's at least 8 hours away from your ArA dosage.
 
machinehead said:
That seems to be the case most often with compounds that need conversion. ArA is not like PA that directly activates mTOR.

In before, clinical doses bro, no need to take more :thumbsdown:
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This is actually not true. You need to remember one most important thing. The tolerance. I know many people who felt HUGE difference from 1.5g ArA and 2.5 ArA.

If you know howhow ArA works on prostaglandins/COX->proteinsynthesis etc. You will understand how important a right dose is
 
machinehead said:
Which part is untrue, Danes?
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ArA is not PA but the way ArA is working, the dose is VERY important. Some people really dont feel anything from 1-1.5g of ArA daily but when they increased to 2.5g, the difference was like night and day.

There is many other factors such as Diet ++. With ArA, medication such as COX inhibitors, high doses of omega3 (omega3 should not be dosed at the same time)should be avoided. That will maximize the effect of ArA
 
Danes said:
This is actually not true. You need to remember one most important thing. The tolerance. I know many people who felt HUGE difference from 1.5g ArA and 2.5 ArA.

If you know howhow ArA works on prostaglandins/COX->proteinsynthesis etc. You will understand how important a right dose is
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This is just me but that much ArA would give me a massive headache.
 
UNCnate said:
This is just me but that much ArA would give me a massive headache.
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I do believe you and we respons differently to it.
Me, I felt sick on ArA. 1.5g (Flu symptoms)Lethargy/fatigue, felt in my whole body, increased BP +++. That is due to systemic inflammation.

Other I know dosed 2.5g and got amazing results and little to no sides at all
 
Danes said:
I do believe you and we respons differently to it.
Me, I felt sick on ArA. 1.5g (Flu symptoms)Lethargy/fatigue, felt in my whole body, increased BP +++. That is due to systemic inflammation.

Other I know dosed 2.5g and got amazing results and little to no sides at all
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Same here. I had to stop. I started slow first week going from 2 pills to 5 pills. Once I hit normal dose it was like I had the flu. I did 3 more weeks and stopped.
 
Danes, Gains aside did you ever notice anything pump wise from ARA? Used ARA myself but with allot of other pump ingredients so couldent tell if ARA contributed.
 
I got no pump on ArA. It is possible that the inflammation killed my insulin sensitivity. Pumps came back a week after I ceased use.
 
machinehead said:
I got no pump on ArA. It is possible that the inflammation killed my insulin sensitivity. Pumps came back a week after I ceased use.
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Pumps and ArA are very over exaggerated honestly in my opinion. But I find it weird that you notice not pump at all when using ArA and they tend to come back post ArA use.
 
When I ran VasKular the weeks before that I did not notice any extra or any less pump. So a little ArA doesn't hurt or help me in that respect.

I clearly remember the MN writeup mentioning the increase of insulin receptors in muscle cells. That should be pro-pump rather than anti-pump but it is likely not that simple.
 
just finished my first bottle of xgels..basically taking 4 pills 4 x a week 5 min before I workout and I am loving it..I feel full all the time even when I wake up and I am still only halfway through...i love it.
 
Musclefever said:
just finished my first bottle of xgels..basically taking 4 pills 4 x a week 5 min before I workout and I am loving it..I feel full all the time even when I wake up and I am still only halfway through...i love it.
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Thanks for the feedback. The 2nd bottle is even better!
 
It seems like we're past this but I still have a question regarding ara and fish oils. Ran two bottles of xgels and didn't see much (1g and took fish oil, dumb I now know). Have we agreed that you can't take both if you dose fish oil in am (8am~) and lift late (5pm-7pm) and see benefits? I'm not above dropping fish oil, but would love to have both on my next go.

Sorry to threadjack.
 
Jn330 said:
It seems like we're past this but I still have a question regarding ara and fish oils. Ran two bottles of xgels and didn't see much (1g and took fish oil, dumb I now know). Have we agreed that you can't take both if you dose fish oil in am (8am~) and lift late (5pm-7pm) and see benefits? I'm not above dropping fish oil, but would love to have both on my next go.

Sorry to threadjack.
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Just dose far away from each other. Up your ArA dose to 1.5 grams.
 
kbayne said:
Just dose far away from each other. Up your ArA dose to 1.5 grams.
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Was definitely going to do that after seeing everyone else bump their doses up! How long between 50 day sets do I need to wait before going back to it? Thanks
 
Jn330 said:
Was definitely going to do that after seeing everyone else bump their doses up! How long between 50 day sets do I need to wait before going back to it? Thanks
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4 weeks would be fine.
 
At 1.5g pre workout with a typical pre workout meal (about 60g of carbs) i always had very good pumps. The ArA was noticeable in increasing vascularity and pump. 1g i didn't see much pump-wise. 2g sometimes was uncomfortable.
 
Rhadam said:
At 1.5g pre workout with a typical pre workout meal (about 60g of carbs) i always had very good pumps. The ArA was noticeable in increasing vascularity and pump. 1g i didn't see much pump-wise. 2g sometimes was uncomfortable.
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2g-2.5g ArA was uncomfortable. After just 3-5 reps the pumps was untolerated!
 
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