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GNO said:
I would like to see more non-prop blends from PES.
Not trying to criticize the company, but that has been a factor in buying some stuff in the past.
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At one point, all of PES products were non-prop. But their formulations started being copied, and all of a sudden all their ingredients started showing up in other products. I have tried literally every single PES product that has ever come out from the first alpha t-2 and the original shift. Prop blend or not their products have always done exactly what they stated they would do.

Im almost certain, that within this year, a "new revolutionary" product will come out with the same ingredients, at the same dosages as the ones in SHIFT.
 
mechka_grizli said:
At one point, all of PES products were non-prop. But their formulations started being copied, and all of a sudden all their ingredients started showing up in other products. I have tried literally every single PES product that has ever come out from the first alpha t-2 and the original shift. Prop blend or not their products have always done exactly what they stated they would do.

Im almost certain, that within this year, a "new revolutionary" product will come out with the same ingredients, at the same dosages as the ones in SHIFT.
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Poor excuse IMO. Any company with adequate resources can do the reverse engineering to get close to the formula. Transparency is where it's at.
 
GNO said:
Poor excuse IMO. Any company with adequate resources can do the reverse engineering to get close to the formula. Transparency is where it's at.
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So then un-prop blend epi unleashed
 
GNO said:
Poor excuse IMO. Any company with adequate resources can do the reverse engineering to get close to the formula. Transparency is where it's at.
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It's not that easy, plus it would cost them thousands of dollars. Most of you guys seem to think it's just send a product in and they'll find out exactly what's in it, but not really (especially since some of our stuff is extracts with multiple ingredients in it). It becomes inexpensive and most companies will just move on and copy someone else for free. I'd rather they spend their money doing that than simply stealing from us for free :) I have been formulating for over 6 years and it gets old after a while when you bring novel formulas and ingredients out and people just rip you off without incurring any R&D costs.

Most of our newer profiles will be disclosed, especially if the ingredients are relatively common and easy to discern working values for; note I said most and not all. I think as far as most companies go, PES is pretty honest and we don't short change you guys with our prop blends.
 
Synapsin said:
It's not that easy, plus it would cost them thousands of dollars. Most of you guys seem to think it's just send a product in and they'll find out exactly what's in it, but not really (especially since some of our stuff is extracts with multiple ingredients in it). It becomes inexpensive and most companies will just move on and copy someone else for free. I'd rather they spend their money doing that than simply stealing from us for free :) I have been formulating for over 6 years and it gets old after a while when you bring novel formulas and ingredients out and people just rip you off without incurring any R&D costs.

Most of our newer profiles will be disclosed, especially if the ingredients are relatively common and easy to discern working values for; note I said most and not all. I think as far as most companies go, PES is pretty honest and we don't short change you guys with our prop blends.
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Thanks for the clarification. Perhaps, I was assuming it was easier than it truly is. My intent was not to bash PES as I'm a customer.
 
ikeNball said:
They show results of each compound. But let's be honest: proprietary blends are not as conclusive as each individual ingredient would be separately.

Now don't get me wrong: I'm about I order 4-8 bottles of Shift BUT I'm burnt out on reading all of these "studies" that make each new product seem like it's a ground breaking discovery.

Maybe some of the nutra planet reviews rubbed me the wrong way.

I go by what you guys say on here much more so than write ups. But I'm a dumb ass. FWIW.
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The prop blend Is only used to hide the dosage, so the product will be as effective or as ineffective as the dosages contained within.

If I mix two ingredients into a product based on research doses, both ingredients will exert their individual effects based on what they do and will be as effective as taking the two ingredients separately at the same dose. A write up breaks down this for the layman so they can understand what they do so they can a) choose the best product for their goals b) understand to some degree how they work c) see the synergy between ingredients d) learn a little bit about mechanisms

Some people prefer write ups and others prefer user feedback. I like both so I use forums :D
 
hiimnotcool said:
On another note, I think whoever took their High Volume and Ergonine tonight between Manny and Floyd will win.
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Haha! Maybe that will be the boost they need. Especially since they will take a high volume of blows to the dome!
 
The Solution said:
They sure had to wait a while to watch mayweater dance around the ring for 12 rounds
heard it was a long and boring fight.
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Thats how mayweather fights. He is defensive. Hit and run, bait and counter type approach. Gets people frustrated and make easy mistakes.

People who dont follow boxing expected a head to head clash but its not a heavyweight bout with two aggressive fighters.
 
Jiigzz said:
Thats how mayweather fights. He is defensive. Hit and run, bait and counter type approach. Gets people frustrated and make easy mistakes.

People who dont follow boxing expected a head to head clash but its not a heavyweight bout with two aggressive fighters.
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this. everyone was saying 'oh floyd just ran away' and im just like, that's what he ALWAYS does. it's not like that was going to be a surprise to Pacquiao. I expected him to be more aggressive. Very lackluster fight. Glad I didn't pay for it lol
 
Jiigzz said:
Thats how mayweather fights. He is defensive. Hit and run, bait and counter type approach. Gets people frustrated and make easy mistakes.

People who dont follow boxing expected a head to head clash but its not a heavyweight bout with two aggressive fighters.
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I just got done watching it. Very Mayweather like and he definitely had the edge. I was cracking up at pacmans post fight interview. What a quack.
 
While that is Mayweather style it still makes for a boring match and is bad for the sport. How many people will watch the next big fight after last night? Most were underwhelmed and that style of defensive running clutching and love-tap counters is boring. I had to watch some Tyson fights after to remind me why I used to love boxing.
 
jamesm11 said:
While that is Mayweather style it still makes for a boring match and is bad for the sport. How many people will watch the next big fight after last night? Most were underwhelmed and that style of defensive running clutching and love-tap counters is boring. I had to watch some Tyson fights after to remind me why I used to love boxing.
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My thoughts as well, I appreciate mayweather's skill as a boxer. But that's only because I used to box, and appreciate the sharpness he brings into each fight.

But, his fighting style is slow and boring. He dances and evades the entire fight while throwing the occasional backfoot distance jab to keep scoring points and then waits for the bell. Which is one tactic for sure, but it doesn't make people fall in love with boxing.

I knew that if it went to scorecards Mayweather would be the winner, but I was hoping to see the old Pacquiao at this fight. Honestly, he doesn't fight anything like he would've five years ago (understandably, as he's been at this at a pro level for a long time and the way he fights definitely wears on the body). He threw way fewer punches than he would have when he was younger, and while they still held power; it looked nothing like the Manny I'm used to seeing.

Honestly, the only way to beat Mayweather is to not let him control the tempo of the fight and to keep on him almost the entire round so that he can't regain his advantage (especially for a shorter fighter like Manny). If it were 2010, I don't think the fight would've looked anything like it did this weekend. So props to Floyd for dodging a big name fight long enough for the other fighter to be way past their peak (this is a trend for him).

Sometimes I wish boxing judges would dock points if a boxer didn't actively engage their opponent each round and truly attempt to control the ring. Floyd is great at evading, but his power is lacking and he no longer attempts to control the ring area and it makes for boring fights. Which definitely doesn't get people excited like it did when Tyson was dropping people under 2 rounds....
 
Nothing really wrong with the way Mayweather fights, its just his style, but I expected far more from pac. He was never going to out box him so have that as your strategy early on. He should chased him down hard, but I suppose when you have been knocked out cold you become somewhat gun shy. I think he felt a couple of Mayweather's rights in the first round, felt his power and eased off.
 
saggy321 said:
Nothing really wrong with the way Mayweather fights, its just his style, but I expected far more from pac. He was never going to out box him so have that as your strategy early on. He should chased him down hard, but I suppose when you have been knocked out cold you become somewhat gun shy. I think he felt a couple of Mayweather's rights in the first round, felt his power and eased off.
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They say he had a torn rotator cuff in his right shoulder and the Nevada Boxing Commission didn't allow him to get an anti inflammatory shot before the fight. Something about not informing them soon enough to order their own MRIs (he already had some from ~3 weeks earlier when the injury occurred). So, that could've been a factor in how hard he was able to go at Mayweather after he found out what he could and couldn't do effectively.


Hard to say how big of a difference it would have made.

As far as Mayweather's fighting style goes, the only issue is it is incredibly boring for the casual boxing fan. Which ultimately is the type of fighting that is killing boxing in mainstream America. And, there's also the thing about forcing other fighters to meet an absurd list of demands before fighting them, waiting for them to age past their primes before fighting them, and just being a dirt bag in general.
 
Jiigzz said:
The prop blend Is only used to hide the dosage, so the product will be as effective or as ineffective as the dosages contained within.

If I mix two ingredients into a product based on research doses, both ingredients will exert their individual effects based on what they do and will be as effective as taking the two ingredients separately at the same dose. A write up breaks down this for the layman so they can understand what they do so they can a) choose the best product for their goals b) understand to some degree how they work c) see the synergy between ingredients d) learn a little bit about mechanisms

Some people prefer write ups and others prefer user feedback. I like both so I use forums :D
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True that! For all my bitching aside, I've got 5 bottles of Shift on the way.
 
jimbuick said:
They say he had a torn rotator cuff in his right shoulder and the Nevada Boxing Commission didn't allow him to get an anti inflammatory shot before the fight. Something about not informing them soon enough to order their own MRIs (he already had some from ~3 weeks earlier when the injury occurred). So, that could've been a factor in how hard he was able to go at Mayweather after he found out what he could and couldn't do effectively.

Hard to say how big of a difference it would have made.

As far as Mayweather's fighting style goes, the only issue is it is incredibly boring for the casual boxing fan. Which ultimately is the type of fighting that is killing boxing in mainstream America. And, there's also the thing about forcing other fighters to meet an absurd list of demands before fighting them, waiting for them to age past their primes before fighting them, and just being a dirt bag in general.
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Agree with you on this. Technically may be a brilliant boxer but he is an absolute a**hole! That' s why I was hoping Pac would give him all sorts of problems.
 
Just a heads up...time is running out to grab Shift at insider pricing. Sales ends tonight at 11:59 EST.
 
Took two caps this morning was very hungry for some reason but I do IF... Within 35 minutes my hunger was gone and I immediately felt a strong increase in body temp, even started sweating just walkkng around my store.. also some slight redness of the cheeks.
 
chedapalooza said:
Took two caps this morning was very hungry for some reason but I do IF... Within 35 minutes my hunger was gone and I immediately felt a strong increase in body temp, even started sweating just walkkng around my store.. also some slight redness of the cheeks.
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Just curious are you taking it stand alone or stacked?
 
Got mine fellas

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Logging with a big stack of others. Check out my log and feel free to critique. Tomorrow is the first dose of shift
 
It's the real deal took two caps alone I was hungry then it disappeared and I was good most of the day until about 1230 then I was hungry. Took two caps at 700am then a protein shake right before work at 830 and nothing until 1230. This is going to make my cut go smooth man great job again Pes!
 
The f95 dose is legit. Sharted last night. Day 1=success.
 
Can this product be stacked with my current cutting stack omega labs shred xt and hyper t2?
 
804 said:
Got mine fellas

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Logging with a big stack of others. Check out my log and feel free to critique. Tomorrow is the first dose of shift
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Same here my friend...got the same as you..two bottles...and two samples.

Took my first dose this evening before my workout....
 
TonyGunsling said:
Thanks! But If i signed up today will i have a chance to buy this on sale?
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I just sent you a PM. The deal ends tonight, so grab it quick if you want the insider pricing.
 
804 said:
Got mine fellas

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Logging with a big stack of others. Check out my log and feel free to critique. Tomorrow is the first dose of shift
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Sexy! Look forward to your feedback brother!
luckylefty811 said:
It's the real deal took two caps alone I was hungry then it disappeared and I was good most of the day until about 1230 then I was hungry. Took two caps at 700am then a protein shake right before work at 830 and nothing until 1230. This is going to make my cut go smooth man great job again Pes!
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Thanks for the update and support sir!
booneman77 said:
The f95 dose is legit. Sharted last night. Day 1=success.
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Good deal Boone! Thanks for sharing!
cbsharpe said:
Same here my friend...got the same as you..two bottles...and two samples.

Took my first dose this evening before my workout....
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Please let us know how it goes!
 
Should have mine by Thursday. 2-3 options:

A. Save until I finish Conqu3r DG edition.

B. Run in conjunction w/ my current supp regimen of:
Ergonine, High Volume, & Pyroxamine.

C. Other opinions please? Also, how would you dose in conjunction w/ Alphamine potentially and how to time around work outs?

PS thanks for reading all that.

-Ike
 
ikeNball said:
Should have mine by Thursday. 2-3 options:

A. Save until I finish Conqu3r DG edition.

B. Run in conjunction w/ my current supp regimen of:
Ergonine, High Volume, & Pyroxamine.

C. Other opinions please? Also, how would you dose in conjunction w/ Alphamine potentially and how to time around work outs?

PS thanks for reading all that.

-Ike
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Throw in one cap of Shift with 1-2 scoops of Alphamine in the morning. For the second dose, take an additional cap pre-workout.
 
chedapalooza said:
Are you guys suggesting a pre workout capsule? Or better to just take both caps in the am?
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If taking solo, dose in the morning. If you're going to plan on dosing with Alphamine or Norcodrene, then go one cap in the morning and 1 cap pre-workout or later in the day.
 
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