Newsarticle in Dutch Sport and Fitness: Jungle Warfare contains methyl-atd and roids!

Patrick Arnold said:
it came back as 6 dehydromethyltestosterone which is an isomer of methyltestosterone

and 4-dehydromethyltestosterone is redundant (at it certainly is not OT)
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Shall I post your PM to me Patrick ? You never said any such thing when you gave me the test results. Expect a call very soon SWEET-PEA.
 
FitnFirm said:
Our own personal testing came back yes, and JW has the contents it is supposed to have, which is not what Patrick though it had.
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oh really?

then i guess it did not have in it what is written on the bottle, cuz what is on the bottle it basically says 6-dehydromethyltestosterone. and thats what i found in it.

so what IS the stuff then??
 
Patrick Arnold said:
it came back as 6 dehydromethyltestosterone which is an isomer of methyltestosterone

and 4-dehydromethyltestosterone is redundant (at it certainly is not OT)
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Well we were told it did not meet your standard for 6-dehydromethyltestosterone but the molecular weight was the same, I think I even asked you this before.
 
now kids please play nice.i will have to spank both of you... That includes you Pat :) ALR is not in the office and this thread has become an intersting one so I am trying to track him down to join in. :)
QUOTE=Patrick Arnold;877413]oh really?

then i guess it did not have in it what is written on the bottle, cuz what is on the bottle it basically says 6-dehydromethyltestosterone. and thats what i found in it.

so what IS the stuff then??[/QUOTE]
 
FitnFirm said:
Shall I post your PM to me Patrick ? You never said any such thing when you gave me the test results. Expect a call very soon SWEET-PEA.
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you are right, i said it was not definitive

lets say i am 95% sure it was 6-dehydro

but i admit i could be wrong

it could be dbol

which would you rather have it be?


oh and shall i post YOUR EMAIL back to me? you know damn well that would be 10,000 times more damaging SWEET PEA
 
RAVEN said:
now kids please play nice.i will have to spank both of you... That includes you Pat :) ALR is not in the office and this thread has become an intersting one so I am trying to track him down to join in. :)
QUOTE=Patrick Arnold;877413]oh really?

then i guess it did not have in it what is written on the bottle, cuz what is on the bottle it basically says 6-dehydromethyltestosterone. and thats what i found in it.

so what IS the stuff then??
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there is nothing wrong with having 6-dehydromethyltest in there so tell fitnfirm not to get defensive

i have even told people in private that i think this compound is good mild anabolic
 
this thread is loaded with people ( 64)

i just popped a big bag of popcorn

hi raven
 
SCDiesel23 said:
Well we were told it did not meet your standard for 6-dehydromethyltestosterone but the molecular weight was the same, I think I even asked you this before.
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Thats right, he doesnt have the standard for ADED so he could not get any accurate results from his testing .
 
FitnFirm said:
I hope you people dont expect me to bother ALR while he is on his yacht ? You know he does deserve a break after creating all these products that are stealing market share by the minute :D
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yeah cause they got roids in them! bwahahahaaha!:bow28:
 
Hey in Fits defense she is pre contest lol.. Pat you are a truly intelligent one so thank you for your professionalism.. You know how these threads go lol So lets just all punch each other in the face and go have a beer :)



there is nothing wrong with having 6-dehydromethyltest in there so tell fitnfirm not to get defensive

i have even told people in private that i think this compound is good mild anabolic[/QUOTE]
 
Message to PA from ALR
PA: Thanks for the offer on structure naming but the label and name you used is 1-2 years ago. Since we have informed all of the sites long ago you either have a cached page or the site you searched has not caught up with the rest of us yet. Thanks for the heads up. Let's help make it easy for you this time so you can waste less time on basic chemistry (which you are correct on of course) . We appreciate your input as between BALCO and AMP you would be the go to guy for FDA experience these days and we will certanly have our FDA lawyer take another look. Thank you very much for the caustic but accurate digestion of old labeling. Here is the current label




ADED (5a-dehydro-etiocholane-4,6-dien-3-one-17-ol A.K.A 17a-methyl-5a-dehydro-etiocholane-4,6-dien-3-ene-ol) Many are aware of both the positive and negative physiological issues relating to the naturally occurring aromatase inhibitory ATD. Most of the benefits are the result of one of its physiological 17-OH metabolites. ADED is a natural non-androgenic metabolite of ATD with improved oral bio-availability. Please, do not confuse this with ATD itself as the difference is very important both in structure and action: Some may recall this one (Refering to the info that follows, not the compound itself) from our Ultra H.O.T.ter matrix but to recap…By modulating estrogen build-up the negative feed-back loop to the hypothalamus is put in check. The result is that the body optimizes natural testosterone production. We use our favorite aromatase inhibitor. One we feel is superior to the MATD we created for Ultra HOTter. to do this and it works pretty well to modulate, instead of obliterate, estrogen. So we still have the right amount of estrogen for optimal growth of lean tissue and positive libido, without the excess water weight and fat feeding aspect.

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am i reading this wrong..or did ALR say there was ADED in it?

:ducks-don't throw anything at me as i am just confused in the wording:
 
Patrick Arnold said:
you are right, i said it was not definitive

lets say i am 95% sure it was 6-dehydro

but i admit i could be wrong

it could be dbol

which would you rather have it be?


oh and shall i post YOUR EMAIL back to me? you know damn well that would be 10,000 times more damaging SWEET PEA
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LOL, post it I dont care ! I like to play dumb sometimes, I can get away with it, can you ????? :p
 
Sweeet. I have a full bottle waiting to be used. I just needed to know what was in it before i used it so I could take proper precautions when stacking.

I can't believe some people have been using this during PCT!
Sucks for them. I know of some people that got gyno during that period. This might explain a few things.
 
RAVEN said:
Ok forgive me here.... First of Diesel... I am getting your answer from the big guy himself who btw is an experienced chemist.. so do not think i forgot about you.. So all of this because PUMAKE finds ( or made up ) some stupid stuff about JW> So it must be true if someone says it is...well if thats how we are playing this PUMAKE your an idiot.. there it must true. you state a claim and then have NOTHING to back it up with.. I love this board.. but this is for intelligent conversation not preschool go back to bb.com..

Author sent PA the bottle of JW so he could test it himself.. We have nothing to hide. So please enough wasting time already
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You, sir, do not know me. I just posted the outcome of a well respected Dutch/Belgium magazine who tested your product.
You may not like the outcome, but that are the results. Order the magazine yourself and read it.

I think your financial interests are affecting your better judgement. Making you look stupid.

It is easy to bark, but it will not change the testoutcome.
 
Pumake said:
You, sir, do not know me. I just posted the outcome of a well respected Dutch/Belgium magazine who tested your product.
You may not like the outcome, but that are the results. Order the magazine yourself and read it.

I think your financial interests are affecting your better judgement. Making you look stupid.

It is easy to bark, but it will not change the testoutcome.
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First off SHE is not a SIR !!

Secondly, scan that article or take a picture of it, something to back up your claim.
 
Pumake said:
You, sir, do not know me. I just posted the outcome of a well respected Dutch/Belgium magazine who tested your product.
You may not like the outcome, but that are the results. Order the magazine yourself and read it.

I think your financial interests are affecting your better judgement. Making you look stupid.

It is easy to bark, but it will not change the testoutcome.
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lmfao
 
Patrick Arnold said:
i believe it contains a double bond isomer of dianabol (6-dehydromethyltestosterone)

however, in the process of making a 4,6-dien you pretty much cannot avoid some 1,4-dien as a side product

1,4-dien in this case would be dianabol, so this report may in fact be legit
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Thank you Patrick. I raised the link with Dianabol in your other thread and was rewarded by being given an infraction and the contents of my post were deleted.
 
For all the mental ALRI staff I will scan in the article tomorrow, so you all can see it for yourself. I will even spend 25 euro to PUT IT IN YOUR FACE AND BUY A SCANNER!
 
FitnFirm said:
Thats right, he doesnt have the standard for ADED so he could not get any accurate results from his testing .
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it does not contain ADED. it does not even indicated ADED on the bottle

basically what is in there is methyl-ADED (same thing as 6-dehydromethyltestosterone)
 
Pumake said:
For all the mental ALRI staff I will scan in the article tomorrow, so you all can see it for yourself. I will even spend 25 euro to PUT IT IN YOUR FACE AND BUY A SCANNER!
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OUTSIDE IS NOT A MENTAL ALRI STAFF HE IS A MENTAL APPLIED STAFF!!! HEHE
 
RAVEN said:
Hey in Fits defense she is pre contest lol.. Pat you are a truly intelligent one so thank you for your professionalism.. You know how these threads go lol So lets just all punch each other in the face and go have a beer :)




there is nothing wrong with having 6-dehydromethyltest in there so tell fitnfirm not to get defensive

i have even told people in private that i think this compound is good mild anabolic
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you are nice
 
Pumake said:
For all the mental ALRI staff I will scan in the article tomorrow, so you all can see it for yourself. I will even spend 25 euro to PUT IT IN YOUR FACE AND BUY A SCANNER!
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Im not mental :( You live in New york, go buy a scanner now please :D Oh go to a Kinko's ?? A place you can pay like under 1.00 for this service. I will pay you back :)
 
Pumake said:
For all the mental ALRI staff I will scan in the article tomorrow, so you all can see it for yourself. I will even spend 25 euro to PUT IT IN YOUR FACE AND BUY A SCANNER!
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Jesus Bukake, take it easy and don't be such a .............

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Patrick Arnold said:
it does not contain ADED. it does not even indicated ADED on the bottle

basically what is in there is methyl-ADED (same thing as 6-dehydromethyltestosterone)
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ADED (5a-dehydro-etiocholane-4,6-dien-3-one-17-ol A.K.A 17a-methyl-5a-dehydro-etiocholane-4,6-dien-3-ene-ol)


You calling my Daddy a liar ?
 
liftitbig85 said:
ADED (5a-dehydro-etiocholane-4,6-dien-3-one-17-ol A.K.A 17a-methyl-5a-dehydro-etiocholane-4,6-dien-3-ene-ol) Many are aware of both the positive and negative physiological issues relating to the naturally occurring aromatase inhibitory ATD. Most of the benefits are the result of one of its physiological 17-OH metabolites. ADED is a natural non-androgenic metabolite of ATD with improved oral bio-availability.:
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its 17alpha methylated

its not natural

ugggh
 
Explain how these are the same please Patrick ??



ADED
17a-methyl-5a-dehydro-etiocholane-4,6-dien-3-ene-ol



DBOL
17 beta-hydroxy-17alpha-methyl-1,4-androstadien-3-one
 
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