New Study Shows Omega-6 Fat Arachidonic Acid Builds Muscle

iThrow said:
thought my post posted before i xd off the screen.. whoops.. anyway, what benefits did you see running it every day for 50 days vs the training days only? im interested especially because my lifting split is only 3-4 days per week. Knowing it take a few weeks to get integrated into the system and see results, my cycle of 50 training days is looking like 12-14 weeks :/
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Definitely more sore, that's for sure. Better strength gains on the first run vs. the second run.
 
kissdadookie said:
Definitely more sore, that's for sure. Better strength gains on the first run vs. the second run.
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hmm interesting. Obviously to each their own, but is their any literature discussing ArA on 50 straight days VERSUS 50 training days. As in a study comparing the two results? (not including this study :P )
 
kissdadookie said:
Alrighty then, we're just waiting for it to get published then ;)
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Indeed, which may take a while. Journals generally ask for the copyright of the manuscript and that's why they can't post a provisional copy (not to mention no scientist would want people to see their unfinished drafts). A provisional copy wouldn't do any good anyway because it wouldn't have been sent for peer review yet. I assumed with all the hype that the manuscript was being published, not just a poster presentation.
 
iThrow said:
hmm interesting. Obviously to each their own, but is their any literature discussing ArA on 50 straight days VERSUS 50 training days. As in a study comparing the two results? (not including this study :P )
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According to the poster presentation, it was 1.5 grams dosed daily. There's a few rest days typically in these Tampa studies. This was an 8 week study so it's safe to assume that they dosed 1.5 grams daily for the entirety of the 8 weeks. My guess on the workout protocol is that they most likely did a 4 lift days a week lifting schedule plus 1 day wingates as that seems to be the norm for the 8 week studies coming out of that lab.
 
kissdadookie said:
According to the poster presentation, it was 1.5 grams dosed daily. There's a few rest days typically in these Tampa studies. This was an 8 week study so it's safe to assume that they dosed 1.5 grams daily for the entirety of the 8 weeks. My guess on the workout protocol is that they most likely did a 4 lift days a week lifting schedule plus 1 day wingates as that seems to be the norm for the 8 week studies coming out of that lab.
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The study was lifting 3 days per week. Dunno what volume was per session.
 
Just snagged three bottles for a VERY sweet price. Excited to run this again.
 
SwolenONE said:
X-Factor sales are easier and easier to come by these days :)
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Congratulations MN, ArA is without question now one of the most effective & proven supplements you can buy. Great to see it validated again by science in a clinical study. Well done, look forward to the publishing of the study

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Ordered two of the XF stacks off NP yesterday. I think I'm going to run it 4 caps XF w/ 2 caps XFA every day for 50 days. Then save the extra bottle of XFA for sometime down the line (probably end up ordering 2 more bottles of XF when I see it go on sale). Such a weird stack though, selling a bottle of XF together with a bottle of XFA.
 
kissdadookie said:
Ordered two of the XF stacks off NP yesterday. I think I'm going to run it 4 caps XF w/ 2 caps XFA every day for 50 days. Then save the extra bottle of XFA for sometime down the line (probably end up ordering 2 more bottles of XF when I see it go on sale). Such a weird stack though, selling a bottle of XF together with a bottle of XFA.
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Been contemplating adding this to my current kitchen sink stack...
 
NewAgeMayan said:
You stacking lclt too? NP has protocol for dirt cheap at mo as well (from memory tub is around 16$).
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Nope. Done that before. Didn't do much of anything. No GMS either. Probably going to use it with CM. Contemplating if I want to use PA with it, probably not. Sounds like a waste to have the overlap.
 
I'm going to start Xfactor + Abe + folli on Monday.

I take it I dose all 6 pre workout with 1g of alcar500 and 3 scoops of glycerGrow. And then another 1g of Alar500 post workout correct?
 
Joshlm69 said:
I'm going to start Xfactor + Abe + folli on Monday.

I take it I dose all 6 pre workout with 1g of alcar500 and 3 scoops of glycerGrow. And then another 1g of Alar500 post workout correct?
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That works out. I mean, I used to even dose 2g ALCAR before workout (and not split doses) but it's up to you.
 
I wouldn't dose the ALCAR post (I'd either take it all pre or use another gram later in the day), but the rest of the set up is right on.
 
bolt10 said:
I wouldn't dose the ALCAR post (I'd either take it all pre or use another gram later in the day), but the rest of the set up is right on.
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Ill finish workout at about 7pm, so would you suggest taking it before bed, or just taking the 2g pre?
 
Joshlm69 said:
Ill finish workout at about 7pm, so would you suggest taking it before bed, or just taking the 2g pre?
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Sorry I assumed you worked out early. :o

I'd either take some upon waking and some pre, but I'd really probably just go 2g pre. :)
 
Just found the following on another board:

William Llewellyn's Thoughts on Arachidonic Acid (ArA) Alone or with Fish Oil
I just want to take a moment to specifically address the notion that Arachidonic Acid (ArA) should be taken alone, without fish oil, for maximum anabolic effect. While this may be true for some individuals, we at Molecular Nutrition have found through years of trial and error that fish oil can augment the anabolic effects of ArA in many individuals. This is why we added Omega-3 EFA’s to X-Factor Advanced. A recent study may help explain why there may be such synergy.


The study in question examined the metabolic effects of fish oil supplementation in young men. As part of this, the researchers measured prostaglandin (PG) levels. As you may know, PGF2-alpha is a prostaglandin produced from arachidonic acid, and is the PG primarily related to protein synthesis and muscle growth. It is what we’re looking for more of when taking ArA. The researchers must have expected a reduction in PGF2-alpha after fish oil, given its known competitive nature with ArA. However, the opposite occurred. Fish oil resulted in a substantial increase in PGF2-alpha.


What is probably going on is that the omega-3 EFA’s in fish oil are displacing membrane-bound ArA, causing it to enter circulation where it is available for PG synthesis. So instead of being counterproductive, taking fish oil alongside ArA may actually cause you to have a greater increase in the serum level of muscle-building prostaglandins. Whatever the exact mechanism, we are not noticing the inhibition everyone expected.


It probably isn’t this way for everyone, or at least I speculate. I’d imagine those that have already been taking high doses of fish oil might have already done a good job of lowering membrane-bound ARA. I would say this type of user should probably run ArA alone. Otherwise, taking some fish oil might help you get more out of your next run of ArA.








Reference:


Metabolism, 2013 Mar 20. pii: S0026-0495(13)00051-6. doi: 10.1016/j.metabol.2013.02.004. [Epub ahead of print]
Fish oil supplementation alters circulating eicosanoid concentrations in young healthy men.


Also folks, NOT suggesting you take your fish oils TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME as you take your ArA. That is probably a counter-productive thing to do.
 
^^^

That is exactly why we formulated X-Factor Advanced with the low dose of fish oil included.
 
SwolenONE said:
^^^

That is exactly why we formulated X-Factor Advanced with the low dose of fish oil included.
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I think it was mentioned that the study also includes kinetics of ArA? Does this include the interaction it may have with EPA? Currently my understanding is that it's probably not a good idea to ingest the two together at the same time due to competition for absorption.
 
ma70 said:
I don't see what's wrong with that at all. Go for it.
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Alternatively could just dose my fish oil at 9am, which is 9 hours away from me working out, thats probably better right? or does it help to dose the fish oil AFTER the workout?
 
Joshlm69 said:
Alternatively could just dose my fish oil at 9am, which is 9 hours away from me working out, thats probably better right? or does it help to dose the fish oil AFTER the workout?
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Personally I didn't even use fish oil during my ArA cycle, but I don't think it matters too much as long as it's dosed far away from ArA.
 
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