New Republican Idea: Punishing Rape Victims with Jail Time

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If you’re looking for evidence that the differences between men and women are greatly exaggerated, the fact that women are equally capable as men of mind-blowing misogyny should erase all doubt.New Mexico state Rep. Cathrynn Brown proved that this week by introducing a bill aimed at throwing rape victims in jail if they refuse to honor their rapist’s right to control their body by carrying his child. This sort of insult to rapists will not stand, so Brown, standing up bravely for rapists who want the suffering they’ve inflicted to carry on and on for their victims, has proposed banning abortion for rape victims on the phony grounds that it’s “tampering with evidence”.
Of course, the entire idea that having a rapist’s baby would somehow be treated as proof of a rape is beyond silly. After all, the defense against the charge of rape is rarely to claim that the penis didn’t go into the vagina, but to accuse the victim of consenting and then, due to the unique viciousness of women, claiming it was rape for the lulz. Or to conceal her epic sluttiness by having the police grill her about her sex life, the defense attorney question her about it for the public record, and the entire community gossip about what a big slut she must be to press rape charges. I suspect Brown knows this, coming from the same anti-choice circles as Todd “Legitimate Rape” Akin, where the belief is that women are deceitful creatures who will lie and kill to conceal how much fun sex they’re having.
To understand what’s going on here, you have to understand that anti-choicers primarily understand abortion as an attempt by women to hide how naughty they are. Never mind that most women getting abortions are in their 20s and are mothers already; the myth that abortion patients are young girls having all this sexy fun they’re not supposed to have and then hiding the “evidence” with abortion is so erotic and enticing for anti-choicers that they’re not letting it go. That’s why hanging out in front of abortion clinics and yelling at patients is so crucial to the movement: They believe you’re trying to hide your shameful non-virgin status, and by gum, they’re going to be there to make sure they get a chance to see your face and cast judgment. You will notget to hide your non-virginity from them! They are entitled to pass judgment, and if they don’t get to do it by shaming you for being a single mother, they’ll show up and yell at you at the abortion clinic. And probably masturbate about it later. You laugh, but when you see behavior like this enough, you begin to realize that this anti-choice obsession with abortion is so profound that “sexual fetish, no matter how sublimated” is the likeliest explanation.


The narratives of sexual transgression and concealment that dictate how anti-choicers view abortion make this bill all the easier to understand. The possibility that women have abortions to reduce suffering in their lives, prevent economic catastrophe, or regain control over their lives are dismissed in favor of believing that an abortion means someone is hiding a sexy secret. It reduces rape to a “sexy secret” and, of course, reinforces the narrative that women are to blame for their rapes, because they are being so dirty and naughty and rowr that men have no choice but to put them in their place with some raping. (Implicit anti-choice narratives and really foul porn plots have a lot in common, which doesn’t strike me as a coincidence.) That’s why you get terms like “legitimate rape”. That’s why, I suspect, Republicans killed the Violence Against Women Act. The narrative that women bring violence on themselves by breaking the lady mandate to be quiet, chaste, and submissive seems to be gaining strength on the right, not that it ever really went away. Being raped is apparently a crime in and of itself, and if you won’t be punished by forced childbirth for being so rapeable, then jail time for you, in the eyes of Rep. Brown.
 

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So is this intended to be a discussion of rape, abortion, women's rights or are you suggesting one woman stands for roughly half of the USA and will be bashing right leaning voters in general?
 
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Strong post.

Are you just a kook lefty trying to point out a kook righty?
 
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So is this intended to be a discussion of rape, abortion, women's rights or are you suggesting one woman stands for roughly half of the USA and will be bashing right leaning voters in general?
Clearly this individual is still in a position of power, a state representative so yes she is representing a certain demographic and population. The fact that she thinks this should be legislature is absolutely ridiculous. First step, is awareness.
 

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Clearly this individual is still in a position of power, a state representative so yes she is representing a certain demographic and population. The fact that she thinks this should be legislature is absolutely ridiculous. First step, is awareness.
Are you seriously suggesting that every voter agrees with every single initiative an elected official presents?


And yeah, she is ridiculous and should be replaced. By another conservative who doesn't hold such an extreme view.
 
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No link to actual said legislation = sensationalism.

In many ways I'm not conservative, but instigatory journalism is still propaganda.
Taking a wild guess but its prolly from infowars.com

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Clearly this individual is still in a position of power, a state representative so yes she is representing a certain demographic and population. The fact that she thinks this should be legislature is absolutely ridiculous. First step, is awareness.
Great response. Although, this bill isn't going anywhere. It would first need to be sponsored and then worked on in committee, which isn't going to happen. Years back a bill was introduced that would extend presidential terms past the current limit of 2 terms, it's been sitting on the shelf for over 10 years.
 
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Taking a wild guess but its prolly from infowars.com

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Nadda... the self proclaimed "Progressive News Site" Raw Story
 

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She recently introduced that bill, story is legit.
 

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By the way, how come no one ever responds with "strong post," whenever AX posts something that a plumber wrote in his grandmother's basement?
 
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By the way, how come no one ever responds with "strong post," whenever AX posts something that a plumber wrote in his grandmother's basement?
I do :)

but when I don't it's usually because I'm in my bunker, making new tinfoil hats.
 

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Great response. Although, this bill isn't going anywhere. It would first need to be sponsored and then worked on in committee, which isn't going to happen. Years back a bill was introduced that would extend presidential terms past the current limit of 2 terms, it's been sitting on the shelf for over 10 years.
So you are also suggesting that what one woman says is blankets every single "conservative"? That we should judge all conservative politicians and voters by this one woman's view?
 
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I didn't have enough of a post count to post links...

Regardless of the website, which doesn't matter... Brown is sponsoring it. However short the lifespan of this bill, i just personally would like to see her step down, possibly silenced for good. The less talking this women does, the better of the rest of the population is. America is ****ed as it is currently. I'm sure ill probably encounter less frustration and problems as soon as i'm done with usmc... modern day slavery.
 

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So you are also suggesting that what one woman says is blankets every single "conservative"? That we should judge all conservative politicians and voters by this one woman's view?
No.... :/
 

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I didn't have enough of a post count to post links...

Regardless of the website, which doesn't matter... Brown is sponsoring it. However short the lifespan of this bill, i just personally would like to see her step down, possibly silenced for good. The less talking this women does, the better of the rest of the population is. America is ****ed as it is currently. I'm sure ill probably encounter less frustration and problems as soon as i'm done with usmc... modern day slavery.
Ok good, so the title is misleading then. You are upset with this lady, not conservatives en masse. I mean I guess technically she is a republican and her ideal would then be a (one) republicans ideal, but surely you can understand how riduculous the implication of extrapolating one wacky ideal over millions of individuals is.
 

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No.... :/
Cool, because for a second it sounded like you were in support of slanderous guilt by association.

The day we have a representative carrying a 100% support rating from her constituency with this particular view in her platform will be the day his reply is "solid". Until then this is one woman with an outlandish view, even as interpreted by the vast majority of republicans.
 

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And, RussianOG, given your comment, is this actually a thread to bitch about the Marine Corp? That would've been a tough guess.

You did voluntarily sign up though, yes? And realized when you signed your contract that you can't just simply quit or switch jobs like in the civilian world?
 

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Cool, because for a second it sounded like you were in support of slanderous guilt by association.

The day we have a representative carrying a 100% support rating from her constituency with this particular view in her platform will be the day his reply is "solid". Until then this is one woman with an outlandish view, even as interpreted by the vast majority of republicans.
That's where you're wrong, I'm in support of slanderous guilt by way of disassociation. His response was solid and correct. Contextually, this woman has a certain measure of power via her constituency. Her thoughts are dangerous and extreme, with that said, this bill is dead on ar*****. No one is going to sponsor this bill.
 
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Yes I'm upset with this lady, hence me saying "This Bitch". The title was merely the title of the article. I figured if someone wanted to look up it's validity, they would google and see the same title.
 
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And, RussianOG, given your comment, is this actually a thread to bitch about the Marine Corp? That would've been a tough guess.

You did voluntarily sign up though, yes? And realized when you signed your contract that you can't just simply quit or switch jobs like in the civilian world?
lol No one knows what they are signing up for.

I'll bitch up and down every damn day if i want about the marine corp, that doesn't mean i'm not going to do my job or finish it.
If you only knew what the marine corp has changed into... the politics of it...

This thread was definitely not about that so take this somewhere else if you want to debate me on this topic too.
 

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That's where you're wrong, I'm in support of slanderous guilt by way of disassociation. His response was solid and correct. Contextually, this woman has a certain measure of power via her constituency. Her thoughts are dangerous and extreme, with that said, this bill is dead on ar*****. No one is going to sponsor this bill.
Sure she has a measure of power. The implication, however, is that the republican party in general is in support of this bill.

In a representative democracy, extrapolating one view to an entire demographic will never be solid or correct without a 100% approval rating of the constituency.

I'm not interested in a semantical two step.
 

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Sure she has a measure of power. The implication, however, is that the republican party in general is in support of this bill.

In a representative democracy, extrapolating one view to an entire demographic will never be solid or correct without a 100% approval rating of the constituency.

I'm not interested in a semantical two step.
I agree.

1) Todd Akin
2) Michelle Bachmann
3) Sara Palin
4) Stephen Baldwin
 

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lol No one knows what they are signing up for.

I'll bitch up and down every damn day if i want about the marine corp, that doesn't mean i'm not going to do my job or finish it.
If you only knew what the marine corp has changed into... the politics of it...

This thread was definitely not about that so take this somewhere else if you want to debate me on this topic too.
You brought it to this thread. No debate necessary. You can bitch about the bed you've made but it's definitely yours to sleep in.
 
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I didn't have enough of a post count to post links...

Regardless of the website, which doesn't matter... Brown is sponsoring it. However short the lifespan of this bill, i just personally would like to see her step down, possibly silenced for good. The less talking this women does, the better of the rest of the population is. America is ****ed as it is currently. I'm sure ill probably encounter less frustration and problems as soon as i'm done with usmc... modern day slavery.
Get the **** outta here... comparing your USMC service to slavery. You make me ashamed you are/were even part of my combat brotherhood.

Who the **** put your blood on the paper forcing your hand?

This right here is why America is ****ed, because you bitch and moan. Good God. She was elected by her constituents, and if they don't like what the hell she's doing, she will be kicked out.



This HAS to be a troll post now that I look back.
 

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You brought it to this thread. No debate necessary. You can bitch about the bed you've made but it's definitely yours to sleep in.
I agree, but who cares let him. AX does it everyday and he's lauded for it even though he posts articles written by G.E.D. graduates. I guess it becomes "selective" pertaining to what is deemed as being acceptable and not acceptable, so long as it falls in line with one's ideology.
 

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I agree, but who cares let him. AX does it everyday and he's lauded for it even though he posts articles written by G.E.D. graduates. I guess it becomes "selective" pertaining to what is deemed as being acceptable and not acceptable, so long as it falls in line with one's ideology.
Who is AX and what are you talking about?
 

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I had to give you points, just for the use of the term Levity.
Lol. I don't agree with him either for the record. My brother served admirably and it's an honor to do so. He knew what he was signing up for, so complaining about it fruitless.
 
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I agree, but who cares let him. AX does it everyday and he's lauded for it even though he posts articles written by G.E.D. graduates. I guess it becomes "selective" pertaining to what is deemed as being acceptable and not acceptable, so long as it falls in line with one's ideology.
Not this again...education level has no meaning to reporting events and happenings.

I know people who are far more educated in all without going to college than people with masters degrees, and vice versa. Intelligence and education is individually motivated, college is just studying a curriculum and passing exams based on a schools specific requirements. Anyone can go to a library and read books without being enrolled in college.
 

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Not this again...education level has no meaning to reporting events and happenings.

I know people who are far more educated in all without going to college than people with masters degrees, and vice versa. Intelligence and education is individually motivated, college is just studying a curriculum and passing exams based on a schools specific requirements. Anyone can go to a library and read books without being enrolled in college.
Alright, relax over there Copernicus.
 
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Who is AX and what are you talking about?
That would be me...Southpaw thinks that if someone didnt go to college they have no legitimacy in journalism. Basically Walter Cronkite dropped out of college so his WWII reporting should be wiped into oblivion.
 
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Alright, relax over there Copernicus.
And if it matters to you which it doesnt, I do throw in many posts from very well college educated individuals who involve themselves with independent alternative media.
 
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Get the **** outta here... comparing your USMC service to slavery. You make me ashamed you are/were even part of my combat brotherhood.

Who the **** put your blood on the paper forcing your hand?

This right here is why America is ****ed, because you bitch and moan. Good God. She was elected by her constituents, and if they don't like what the hell she's doing, she will be kicked out.



This HAS to be a troll post now that I look back.
Did I say anyone forced my hand? You and everyone else seems to think somehow my opinion automatically becomes voided just because it was either a lapse in judgement or a conscious decision that brought me to where I am. I hold the right to criticize whoever I want, whenever I want, whatever I want. And seeing as i'm living it... present day... in Afghanistan. I have a slightly more educated viewpoint then someone who's probably been retired for a significant portion this century. If you aren't retired, then you are just blind, probably not your fault though.

America is ****ed because people complain? so everyone should just accept their fate or destiny or choices they make and live out their lives without attempting to make either their current situation or the ones ahead of them, better?

My greatest fear isn't dying, but it's living my life, not doing what I love. In turn, i'll complain as a form of venting frustation, possibly making issues more widespread and known to the public, possibly preventing someone, like myself, from making the same mistake I did.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Lol. I don't agree with him either for the record. My brother served admirably and it's an honor to do so. He knew what he was signing up for, so complaining about it fruitless."
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]LOL no one is talking about honor or making those that served, feel somehow less worthy. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]So you just wanna turn your head to issues that exist in the military, thinking that it's the "honorable" thing to do? [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]You're foolish to think that there are no problems with this organization, and everyone in, definitely is well aquatinted with them. [/FONT]
 
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This bitch!

If you’re looking for evidence that the differences between men and women are greatly exaggerated, the fact that women are equally capable as men of mind-blowing misogyny should erase all doubt.New Mexico state Rep. Cathrynn Brown proved that this week by introducing a bill aimed at throwing rape victims in jail if they refuse to honor their rapist’s right to control their body by carrying his child. This sort of insult to rapists will not stand, so Brown, standing up bravely for rapists who want the suffering they’ve inflicted to carry on and on for their victims, has proposed banning abortion for rape victims on the phony grounds that it’s “tampering with evidence”.
I think this is rather an individual case (work of Cathrynn Brown) rather than the Republican party as a whole as your title leads to want people to believe.
 

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That would be me...Southpaw thinks that if someone didnt go to college they have no legitimacy in journalism. Basically Walter Cronkite dropped out of college so his WWII reporting should be wiped into oblivion.
A guy getting accepted into an academic institution and then dropping out in his third year, is FAR different than a guy who was below average in high school, graduated then purchased a microphone at radio shack and started a radio show. I doubt you'd recognize the distinction.
 
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I think this is rather an individual case (work of Cathrynn Brown) rather than the Republican party as a whole as your title leads to want people to believe.
Again, that's the title of the article on the ORIGINAL website. I didn't just come up with this title. I probably would've titled this thread "****" but that would give zero insight as to what the thread was actually about.
 
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A guy getting accepted into an academic institution and then dropping out in his third year, is FAR different than a guy who was below average in high school, graduated then purchased a microphone at radio shack and started a radio show. I doubt you'd recognize the distinction.
It doesnt matter, education can be self driven. It doesnt take someone even in high school to read one of Obama's executive orders and wright an article on it.
 

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That is his forte.
Make sure to add on to that, also uses credible sources to support statements. Where as you on the other hand chock full of opinions. What's the saying about that again...
 
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Again, that's the title of the article on the ORIGINAL website. I didn't just come up with this title. I probably would've titled this thread "****" but that would give zero insight as to what the thread was actually about.
What website? Ok its not you thats cool, but its a totally biased title. Obviously someone is bringing an individual to demonize an entire party as a whole.

Im sticking up for Republicans in this case and I do not support the Party in any way.
 

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It doesnt matter, education can be self driven. It doesnt take someone even in high school to read one of Obama's executive orders and wright an article on it.
The Wright Bros?
 
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Did I say anyone forced my hand? You and everyone else seems to think somehow my opinion automatically becomes voided just because it was either a lapse in judgement or a conscious decision that brought me to where I am. I hold the right to criticize whoever I want, whenever I want, whatever I want. And seeing as i'm living it... present day... in Afghanistan. I have a slightly more educated viewpoint then someone who's probably been retired for a significant portion this century. If you aren't retired, then you are just blind, probably not your fault though.

America is ****ed because people complain? so everyone should just accept their fate or destiny or choices they make and live out their lives without attempting to make either their current situation or the ones ahead of them, better?

My greatest fear isn't dying, but it's living my life, not doing what I love. In turn, i'll complain as a form of venting frustation, possibly making issues more widespread and known to the public, possibly preventing someone, like myself, from making the same mistake I did.
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LOL no one is talking about honor or making those that served, feel somehow less worthy.
So you just wanna turn your head to issues that exist in the military, thinking that it's the "honorable" thing to do?
You're foolish to think that there are no problems with this organization, and everyone in, definitely is well aquatinted with them.
Go back and read your UCMJ there big guy.. You have NO RIGHT to criticize who, what, or where you want.

And don't give me this I am out of touch BS. You really think that much has changed in 4 whole years? There for taking Baghdad, there for Fallujah. Give me a break.

Grow a pair, quick your bitchin, do your service and GTFO.
 
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I guess the marine corp is the first organization in the world that is fair and balanced... has no issues and problems circulating within'.

And yes... a lot has changed FYI.
 
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