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bakerwil said:
How is the name lottery going for the tongat/boron supp? Getting pretty itchy for getting my hands on this...
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Thinking about calling it Viron. probably make the labels this weekend. Have em by next week.
Product willl ship to retailers around thurs.
 
brundel said:
Thinking about calling it Viron. probably make the labels this weekend. Have em by next week. Product willl ship to retailers around thurs.
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"Vigorous" case closed. Dope name. "Burly" is pretty cool too.

You can pm me to ship bottle to me :-)
 
I have 500 units sitting in the shop ....they were not free to produce lol...its time to sell some.
Great product.
Ill work on pricing and labels this weekend.
 
brundel said:
Thinking about calling it Viron. probably make the labels this weekend. Have em by next week.
Product willl ship to retailers around thurs.
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Liking the name Viron but really nobody cares about the name - just start selling this already lol.

I think this one will be sold out fast too so might not even reach to others or just TGB and maybe also NP and it will be gone lol.

I guess with your products selling out fast or being out of stock then no chance for special price on libido stack like Formeron & Viron or PCT stack like Formeron & Viron & Follidrone in the future.

Stacks like this could sell out fast at special price and times like around Christmas or Valentines (gift both for him & her hehe).

I'm happy your clients love your products and mainly that they work - plus you come out strong as a guy that cares :fing02:
 
ill give this stuff a go, ill keep u posted
 
ahh123 said:
Liking the name Viron but really nobody cares about the name - just start selling this already lol.

I think this one will be sold out fast too so might not even reach to others or just TGB and maybe also NP and it will be gone lol.

I guess with your products selling out fast or being out of stock then no chance for special price on libido stack like Formeron & Viron or PCT stack like Formeron & Viron & Follidrone in the future.

Stacks like this could sell out fast at special price and times like around Christmas or Valentines (gift both for him & her hehe).

I'm happy your clients love your products and mainly that they work - plus you come out strong as a guy that cares :fing02:
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Lots of our retailers have stacks setup.
We have Map pricing. This means every retailer is required to have the same prices. This prevents undercutting and also prevents the reduction of preceived value of our products. Retailers work harder to sell a product they make 15$ on than one they make 2$ on. So we want the wholesale retail Gap to remain static. TGB and Strong and maybe Orbit have structured stacks.
They offer free shipping or a non BLR product that can be slashed in price and the total drops considerably.

When the tongkat comes out TGB will likely have the chance to run some stacked sales.
If it sells out that fast.....Ill be stoked. And well just order more asap.
 
brundel said:
Lots of our retailers have stacks setup.
We have Map pricing. This means every retailer is required to have the same prices. This prevents undercutting and also prevents the reduction of preceived value of our products. Retailers work harder to sell a product they make 15$ on than one they make 2$ on. So we want the wholesale retail Gap to remain static. TGB and Strong and maybe Orbit have structured stacks.
They offer free shipping or a non BLR product that can be slashed in price and the total drops considerably.

When the tongkat comes out TGB will likely have the chance to run some stacked sales.
If it sells out that fast.....Ill be stoked. And well just order more asap.
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I'd be interested in buying Formeron + Viron stack when you ship Viron to TGB.

You could price Viron higher as a solo product but in a stack it should be priced lower.

Plus synergy of Viron + Formeron is where both product should really shine since no point getting higher free testosterone but with no Formeron to block conversion to estrogen so client actually ends up with higher estrogen after running just Viron solo then even getting lowered libido by end of the bottle then think how Viron doesn't really work after initial spike in libido where blame would actually be in increased estrogen cause Viron would work too well.

Not good to give people 1 piece of the puzzle with them not having the clue about the big picture or how to reach desired goal if just buying 1 product.
 
Here's my final review to anyone who didn't follow my log.

Final Review-

Dosage- 10-10 Simple dosing and no need to take so many pills throughout the day. 30-45 min pre workout is all you need. Started at 2 pills pre workout and went 4 pills the last 3 days and didn't feel any difference. Sometimes more isn't better. Might be worth going 4 pills if ran more than 4 weeks but I didn't get to experiment that long.

Strength- 10 out of 10 This was determined on muscle endurance and pushing more weight in terms of more reps and sets.

Endurance- 12 out of 10 This was the number 1 effect and lasted all 4 weeks. Effects came immediately.

Pumps- 8-10 Pumps were insane. Came around week 2. Pump seem to last a hour or so post workout too.

Mood enhance- 0-10 Didn't really get any mood change.

Aggression- 6-10 I won't call it aggression but I did always want to go harder and I believe it's because of the enhanced endurance which made me want to go harder and longer.

Stamina- 10-10 Stamina was great.

Muscle fullness- 10-10 Muscles looked full after week 1.

Focus-8-10 Focus was on point. Again all positive effects might be contributed to the excellent endurance effects this gives. Mind to muscle focus was in tact.

DOMS- 8-10. I give it a 8 here. Didn't get any DOMS week 1 but week 2 and 3 were extreme. Always came around the 2 or 3rd workout and lasted all week. On my last week (4) I didn't get any DOMS. My assumption is it diminishes after week 3 if ran longer than 4 weeks.

Overall-10-10 Great all around supplement. Gave everything you would hope for in a supp. Not one complaint. Very effective from day one and only got better. This got me very lean while gaining 2lbs.

Final thought- Very effective in any situation. I see this being great during and after a cycle. I wouldn't run this any shorter than 6 weeks at least. I feel this has much more to offer and would be a waste to run it for only 4 weeks. Great to stack with anything. I loved every minute of this run. My next run will be 8-12 weeks.
 
halfhuman said:
Here's my final review to anyone who didn't follow my log.

Final Review-

Dosage- 10-10 Simple dosing and no need to take so many pills throughout the day. 30-45 min pre workout is all you need. Started at 2 pills pre workout and went 4 pills the last 3 days and didn't feel any difference. Sometimes more isn't better. Might be worth going 4 pills if ran more than 4 weeks but I didn't get to experiment that long.

Strength- 10 out of 10 This was determined on muscle endurance and pushing more weight in terms of more reps and sets.

Endurance- 12 out of 10 This was the number 1 effect and lasted all 4 weeks. Effects came immediately.

Pumps- 8-10 Pumps were insane. Came around week 2. Pump seem to last a hour or so post workout too.

Mood enhance- 0-10 Didn't really get any mood change.

Aggression- 6-10 I won't call it aggression but I did always want to go harder and I believe it's because of the enhanced endurance which made me want to go harder and longer.

Stamina- 10-10 Stamina was great.

Muscle fullness- 10-10 Muscles looked full after week 1.

Focus-8-10 Focus was on point. Again all positive effects might be contributed to the excellent endurance effects this gives. Mind to muscle focus was in tact.

DOMS- 8-10. I give it a 8 here. Didn't get any DOMS week 1 but week 2 and 3 were extreme. Always came around the 2 or 3rd workout and lasted all week. On my last week (4) I didn't get any DOMS. My assumption is it diminishes after week 3 if ran longer than 4 weeks.

Overall-10-10 Great all around supplement. Gave everything you would hope for in a supp. Not one complaint. Very effective from day one and only got better. This got me very lean while gaining 2lbs.

Final thought- Very effective in any situation. I see this being great during and after a cycle. I wouldn't run this any shorter than 6 weeks at least. I feel this has much more to offer and would be a waste to run it for only 4 weeks. Great to stack with anything. I loved every minute of this run. My next run will be 8-12 weeks.
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Hmmm. Good review, and that's what I expected to here. Did anybody comment on how you looked or did a training partner notice the extra endurance?
 
Mission1 said:
Hmmm. Good review, and that's what I expected to here. Did anybody comment on how you looked or did a training partner notice the extra endurance?
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Thanx. Yea my partner couldn't catch up. Rest periods were 20-25sec

He also said I look leaner and fuller and we hardly did any cardio due to the super sets.
 
ahh123 said:
I'd be interested in buying Formeron + Viron stack when you ship Viron to TGB.

You could price Viron higher as a solo product but in a stack it should be priced lower.

Plus synergy of Viron + Formeron is where both product should really shine since no point getting higher free testosterone but with no Formeron to block conversion to estrogen so client actually ends up with higher estrogen after running just Viron solo then even getting lowered libido by end of the bottle then think how Viron doesn't really work after initial spike in libido where blame would actually be in increased estrogen cause Viron would work too well.

Not good to give people 1 piece of the puzzle with them not having the clue about the big picture or how to reach desired goal if just buying 1 product.
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They do seem to work very well together.
Im recommending 5 days on 2 off for the viron.
Guys can do whatever they like but it seems people develop a tolerance to tongkat.
The labels are coming along.
Black and blue with electricity. Cool bottle.

Yah...i have to do graphic design as well...
 
I wonder if I need to increase my dose of the Follidrone; so the beta Follidrone is twice as strong as the commercially available follidrone? Maybe dose is the issue?
 
halfhuman said:
Thanx. Yea my partner couldn't catch up. Rest periods were 20-25sec

He also said I look leaner and fuller and we hardly did any cardio due to the super sets.
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That's even better for the supplement as well. So prior to taking folli your cession were close or even in respect to endurance/ pump / and strength?
 
halfhuman said:
Here's my final review to anyone who didn't follow my log.

Final Review-

Dosage- 10-10 Simple dosing and no need to take so many pills throughout the day. 30-45 min pre workout is all you need. Started at 2 pills pre workout and went 4 pills the last 3 days and didn't feel any difference. Sometimes more isn't better. Might be worth going 4 pills if ran more than 4 weeks but I didn't get to experiment that long.

Strength- 10 out of 10 This was determined on muscle endurance and pushing more weight in terms of more reps and sets.

Endurance- 12 out of 10 This was the number 1 effect and lasted all 4 weeks. Effects came immediately.

Pumps- 8-10 Pumps were insane. Came around week 2. Pump seem to last a hour or so post workout too.

Mood enhance- 0-10 Didn't really get any mood change.

Aggression- 6-10 I won't call it aggression but I did always want to go harder and I believe it's because of the enhanced endurance which made me want to go harder and longer.

Stamina- 10-10 Stamina was great.

Muscle fullness- 10-10 Muscles looked full after week 1.

Focus-8-10 Focus was on point. Again all positive effects might be contributed to the excellent endurance effects this gives. Mind to muscle focus was in tact.

DOMS- 8-10. I give it a 8 here. Didn't get any DOMS week 1 but week 2 and 3 were extreme. Always came around the 2 or 3rd workout and lasted all week. On my last week (4) I didn't get any DOMS. My assumption is it diminishes after week 3 if ran longer than 4 weeks.

Overall-10-10 Great all around supplement. Gave everything you would hope for in a supp. Not one complaint. Very effective from day one and only got better. This got me very lean while gaining 2lbs.

Final thought- Very effective in any situation. I see this being great during and after a cycle. I wouldn't run this any shorter than 6 weeks at least. I feel this has much more to offer and would be a waste to run it for only 4 weeks. Great to stack with anything. I loved every minute of this run. My next run will be 8-12 weeks.
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I work super hard to only have products that work.
Lots of time and money is put into r&d.
Its exeptionally important to me personally that all 100% of our products are best in class. Its a personal reflection on me.

Of course this is why I take things personally as some have seen.

Seeing your log results and others with similar results makes me incredibly happy.
Not because it silences the haters.
Not because it means Ill sell tons of product.
Because it means at the end of the bottle guys are stoked they used our product. This is number 1 to me.
 
Mystere3 said:
I wonder if I need to increase my dose of the Follidrone; so the beta Follidrone is twice as strong as the commercially available follidrone? Maybe dose is the issue?
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No. The beta caps are twice the dose but the bottle only has 30 instead of 60. Same daily dose. 1 cap.
All of the loggers took the same dose as retail. Just no choice to split dose.
 
brundel said:
I work super hard to only have products that work. Lots of time and money is put into r&d. Its exeptionally important to me personally that all 100% of our products are best in class. Its a personal reflection on me. Of course this is why I take things personally as some have seen. Seeing your log results and others with similar results makes me incredibly happy. Not because it silences the haters. Not because it means Ill sell tons of product. Because it means at the end of the bottle guys are stoked they used our product. This is number 1 to me.
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And thank you for putting out quality products and standing behind them and being honest. Your a stand up dude.

Much appreciated brotha. You have a winner right here.
 
brundel said:
It can be used during PCT but it wont do anything to help you recover your HPTA so youll need to use Formeron or another PCT supp.
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yes i know it wont help recover the hpta but i hoped to hear the strength gains from folli could compensate the losses after the cycle
 
uubiduu said:
yes i know it wont help recover the hpta but i hoped to hear the strength gains from folli could compensate the losses after the cycle
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Its certainly possible.
I think if you used a combo of products your pct can be productive.
Formeron to suppress estro, raise test and give some anabolic effect. Lots of people feel great during pct with formeron even when test levels are still low. My theory is hydroxy test works as a replacment until endogenous test levels rise enough.

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Viron.
Our tongkat boron mix. This stuff really shines in pct.
Test increase plus big free test increase.
Reduces shbg
Improves mood and gives energy.

Follidrone.
Non suppressive.
Strength
Pump
Endurance
Increased protein synthesis.

Its possible pct can be seemless and even potentially a time of increase.
 
Finally got my two bottles in. Finally settled on Follidrone, Natadrol & Cistamax from Analyzed Supps. The Cistamax because of the supposed androgen activity that should go well with Natadrol.

Finishing up my cut on Friday. Been following the Dave Polumbo diet. Will probably be around 234 when I finish.

Brundel or anyone else with some knowledge..... Have two bottles of Iron Legion 11-kt. Any reason why NOT to add it to the above stack. Its leaning effects are well documented
 
mechka_grizli said:
Finally got my two bottles in. Finally settled on Follidrone, Natadrol & Cistamax from Analyzed Supps. The Cistamax because of the supposed androgen activity that should go well with Natadrol.

Finishing up my cut on Friday. Been following the Dave Polumbo diet. Will probably be around 234 when I finish.

Brundel or anyone else with some knowledge..... Have two bottles of Iron Legion 11-kt. Any reason why NOT to add it to the above stack. Its leaning effects are well documented
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I dont see any reason to not include the 11kt.

Im not sure which diet you have from Dave but my training partner is using one Dave gave our buddy for the contest he won his pro card.
My training partner has dropped some serious bodyfat. He was 275 but pretty chubby. Now hes pretty lean.....vascular, hard as nails @ 230.
Pretty impressive. Pretty low carb though.
 
brundel said:
I dont see any reason to not include the 11kt.

Im not sure which diet you have from Dave but my training partner is using one Dave gave our buddy for the contest he won his pro card.
My training partner has dropped some serious bodyfat. He was 275 but pretty chubby. Now hes pretty lean.....vascular, hard as nails @ 230.
Pretty impressive. Pretty low carb though.
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Yeah the one im on is a low carb diet as well. 3 shakes a day containing whey and NPB. With three meals. Will probably down to 230 by the time im done
 
Certainly sounds legit.
Basically its 6 meals. 2 carb days 1 no carb day.
Mixed proteins. Mac nut oil and peanut butter for fats. Oatmeal and sweet potatoes for carbs.
Pretty much it.
 
max silver said:
Any idea when more of this will be available at retailers?
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Just in case you missed my question, I'm considering picking up some Follidrone to combine with Evomuse Myosynergy (I suspect these two should stack VERY well). Do you have any info as to when more Follidrone will be available for purchase?
 
max silver said:
Just in case you missed my question, I'm considering picking up some Follidrone to combine with Evomuse Myosynergy (I suspect these two should stack VERY well). Do you have any info as to when more Follidrone will be available for purchase?
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I did miss this. 10 -15 days max until stock is shipped to all retailers.
 
max silver said:
Just in case you missed my question, I'm considering picking up some Follidrone to combine with Evomuse Myosynergy (I suspect these two should stack VERY well). Do you have any info as to when more Follidrone will be available for purchase?
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You'll love it man. Using it now and just as good as everyone says. Got it in the presale
 
How does the inhibitor work? Is it suicidal or will myostatin levels go back to normal after stopping use of the product?
 
niclas90 said:
How does the inhibitor work? Is it suicidal or will myostatin levels go back to normal after stopping use of the product?
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To put it simply, Something in the compound raises Follistatin. In the abstract most people are reading it doesnt give exact numbers but the full text does. 76% increase in Follistatin. Follistatin reduces myostatin. Myostatin reduces muscle building potential so when you lower it anabolic potential rises. In studies ALL markers for protein synthesis were elevated. Elevated protein synthesis is one of the ways anabolic steroids help you grow faster. The primary differences are that 1. Follidrone doesnt disrupt your endocrine system so test levels stay stable, estrogen doesnt rise and you dont need PCT. This also means it can be used on cycle, off cycle or during PCT. 2. There is no excessive water weight gain because estrogen isnt sky high so a good portion of the weight gained is actually muscle. Its hard to believe that muscle can be gained this fast as we are taught this is impossible.....however, its impossible because certain things prevent this. Myostatin is one of them. Increasing follistatin and reducing myostatin makes muscle growth possible at an accelerated rate. Again this is simplified. Post cycle myostatin will likely rise again but the muscle gained on cycle should remain. In the past many companies have released products that were supposed to be myostatin inhibitors. Egg ovum extracts and weird *&^) with absolutely no data to suggest it would do this. I believe Follidrone is the first real Myostatin inhibitor available as a dietary supplement. Its potential has been validated by the dozens of logs up where guys are gaining 6-10lbs. Losing bodyfat- it appears (-)-epicatechin increases fat burning. Pump- This I believe is an effect from the elevated follistatin. Guys using injected Follistatin pretty much all talk about insane pumps. Endurance- studies indicated a potential 50% increase in exercise capacity. This means you can train harder longer and pretty much everyone sees this. Most within a day or 2.
 
brundel said:
To put it simply, Something in the compound raises Follistatin. In the abstract most people are reading it doesnt give exact numbers but the full text does. 76% increase in Follistatin. Follistatin reduces myostatin. Myostatin reduces muscle building potential so when you lower it anabolic potential rises. In studies ALL markers for protein synthesis were elevated. Elevated protein synthesis is one of the ways anabolic steroids help you grow faster. The primary differences are that 1. Follidrone doesnt disrupt your endocrine system so test levels stay stable, estrogen doesnt rise and you dont need PCT. This also means it can be used on cycle, off cycle or during PCT. 2. There is no excessive water weight gain because estrogen isnt sky high so a good portion of the weight gained is actually muscle. Its hard to believe that muscle can be gained this fast as we are taught this is impossible.....however, its impossible because certain things prevent this. Myostatin is one of them. Increasing follistatin and reducing myostatin makes muscle growth possible at an accelerated rate. Again this is simplified. Post cycle myostatin will likely rise again but the muscle gained on cycle should remain.
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Thank you very much for the high quality answer. I simply wanted to make sure that myostatin/follistatin levels will to back to normal post-cycle, to avoid any long-term side effects.
Can't wait to experience the potential of this product myself.
 
Just did a bit of research and read through the write-up on the first page... HOLY CRAP.

Subbed to keep this thread for more info.
 
Nutra planet is out of stock, is there another place i can buy it from?
 
brundel i need your help.my granma is 81 and every year she loses 3-4kg of bodyweight.shes at 53kg now and only skin and bones.docs did almost everything to find out the reason for her weight loss and they found anything.do you think it would be worth to try to put her on folli for gaining some mass?or does this only work in a trainef state?
 
I have the same type mother in law. She's 85 and losing muscle tone and strength. In for whether Follidrone could help.
 
uubiduu said:
brundel i need your help.my granma is 81 and every year she loses 3-4kg of bodyweight.shes at 53kg now and only skin and bones.docs did almost everything to find out the reason for her weight loss and they found anything.do you think it would be worth to try to put her on folli for gaining some mass?or does this only work in a trainef state?
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Currently (-)-epicatechin is being studied widely for use in wasting diseases.
Im in direct contact with a few of the authors and it appears that we are not the only ones seeing significant muscle growth.
It looks like the weight gained is actually muscle tissue. Im not sure the actual %. Im trying to get the guys to spill the beans to me before the papers are finished but they will only divulge little tidbits.
The first proof of concept study done by the mexicans was done on old frail people. They gained 7% strength in 7 days.
and in other studies all the markers for protein synthesis were elevated indicating muscle was being created or at least potential was greatly improved.

Im relatively certain it could help.

My concern-
Not enough research has been done to know for sure its safe for super old people. Their bodies are fragile. Say for example I said "yes feed it to her",
and then for whatever reason (not even from the Follidrone) she becomes sick or gets hurt or something bad happens.....it looks like I did it to her.
I dont want to be responsible.


Honestly I would LOVE to be the one to contribute to the advancement of your grandmothers health.
Ive spend countless hours in my life praying for strength and the power to help others.....this would certainly apply but Im afraid of her getting hurt.


My final thought-

Wait. Let more research done on the elderly be released so we can see the safety profile in the elderly.

Consult her DR and talk to them about it.
I have no idea about her current state of health and Im not a medical Dr.
Follidrone is not intended to treat or prevent any disease. Its a dietary supplement.
 
kenpoengineer said:
I have the same type mother in law. She's 85 and losing muscle tone and strength. In for whether Follidrone could help.
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I just cant possibly recommend it.

Its not that I think it wont work. Its that I cant be responsible for recommending a dietary supplement to treat a disease state.
Also like I was saying.....we are unsure how it would work long term in the elderly.


Lets wait till more young people have eaten it for months at a time.

And maybe there are a few more studies released.

One study into its use for muscular dystrophy should be available later this year.
Safety data
toxicity data
More in depth bloodwork and results that make it easier to gauge.

Again..ID wait.
 
Was excited about trying follidrone, unfortunately, it was out of stock. So I've gone anabeta instead.
It must be popular. Hoping can get my hands on some in the near future.
 
I have the raws to make more in hand.
Should not be too long now before more is available.

Yes it sold out alot faster than expected.
 
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